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Christina Entrepe	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:07:00 - [1] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032703 As not everyone reads the development forums and alot of people do read these forums I tought I'd share this with you. Especially as there are alot of treads about ECM here.
EFT Warrior	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:16:00 - [2] First in a Falcon nerf thread (I am neither for nor against it, but the ship had it coming for a long time).
TimMc Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:05:00 - [3] I like the proposed ideas. People might fly rooks.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:45:00 - [4] Also like it. Falcon pilots might have to fit mid slot tank now and step down to just above the other recons usefulness instead of being miles above. Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
Renarla	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:09:00 - [5] Summary Rook Changes - ECM strength bonus decreased to 15% per level - ECM Optimal Range bonus decreased to 15% per level (92km optimal / 81km falloff) - 5% Heavy/Heavy Assault missile velocity per recon ship level added (105km range with heavy missiles at max skills) - 25m3 drone bay / 25 mbit bandwidth added Rook will now be a solopwnmobile. =\
JgGravy	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:13:00 - [6] Rook still needs to pin you down..... will be interesting to see how this plays out. Either way, i'm still wishing the ships would stay the same... even though i don't use them.
Adaera	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Renarla Summary Rook Changes - ECM strength bonus decreased to 15% per level - ECM Optimal Range bonus decreased to 15% per level (92km optimal / 81km falloff) Quote: - 5% Heavy/Heavy Assault missile velocity per recon ship level added (105km range with heavy missiles at max skills) - 25m3 drone bay / 25 mbit bandwidth added Rook will now be a solopwnmobile. =\ This is the bonus that confuses me - ok, so they finally gave it the range to use its missiles - except now it's a short range jamming ship. What? It's like that buff just strolled in "sorry I'm late, what did I miss?" ___________________ I for one welcome our new bee overlords
Renarla	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Adaera Originally by: Renarla Summary Rook Changes - ECM strength bonus decreased to 15% per level - ECM Optimal Range bonus decreased to 15% per level (92km optimal / 81km falloff) Quote: - 5% Heavy/Heavy Assault missile velocity per recon ship level added (105km range with heavy missiles at max skills) - 25m3 drone bay / 25 mbit bandwidth added Rook will now be a solopwnmobile. =\ This is the bonus that confuses me - ok, so they finally gave it the range to use its missiles - except now it's a short range jamming ship. What? It's like that buff just strolled in "sorry I'm late, what did I miss?" 100km is short range? What? With the incoming nerf the Rook will be the longest range ECM ship.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:07:00 - [9] Well at least i dont have any reason to use anything but amarr ships anymore.
Adaera	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:10:00 - [10] Edited by: Adaera on 24/03/2009 23:10:22 Originally by: Renarla Originally by: Adaera Originally by: Renarla Summary Rook Changes - ECM strength bonus decreased to 15% per level - ECM Optimal Range bonus decreased to 15% per level (92km optimal / 81km falloff) Quote: - 5% Heavy/Heavy Assault missile velocity per recon ship level added (105km range with heavy missiles at max skills) - 25m3 drone bay / 25 mbit bandwidth added Rook will now be a solopwnmobile. =\ This is the bonus that confuses me - ok, so they finally gave it the range to use its missiles - except now it's a short range jamming ship. What? It's like that buff just strolled in "sorry I'm late, what did I miss?" 100km is short range? What? With the incoming nerf the Rook will be the longest range ECM ship. Which makes the drone bay fairly useless. So if you make use of the range, the dronebay is fail. If you get in close, why have the rook as a long range jammer? ___________________ I for one welcome our new bee overlords
Liang Nuren No Salvation Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:13:00 - [11] My Scorp is gonna kick someone's ass. 4SRSLY. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
arbiter reborn	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:15:00 - [12] woot
Chssmius Capital Support House of Mercury	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Renarla Summary Rook Changes - ECM strength bonus decreased to 15% per level - ECM Optimal Range bonus decreased to 15% per level (92km optimal / 81km falloff) - 5% Heavy/Heavy Assault missile velocity per recon ship level added (105km range with heavy missiles at max skills) - 25m3 drone bay / 25 mbit bandwidth added Rook will now be a solopwnmobile. =\ They are swapping the optimal and falloff ranges for ECM and changing Signal Distortion Amps to increase range not strength. I disagree that the Rook will be a solopwnmobile, but I do think it will actually start to see the vacuum of space. If fit with HAM IIs, 1 DC II, 1 RCU II, 1 BCS IIs, 2 Multi IIs, 1 Gav. ECM II, 1 Mag. ECM II, 2 mid slots+rigs for a tank, and a MWD it might actually see some use in a recon gangs with logistics. Its tank would mostly be its ability to jam, backed up but a little buffer and a helping hand from the logistics. I think maybe it should keep the strength bonus at 20% per level and reduce or drop the range bonus, though we will see. They are trying to swap the roles of the falcon and the rook and I think that is a bad idea. The velocity bonus for rage HAMs would just about reach T2 point range and might be enough to make the rook worthwhile in close combat. But if that is the aim then it should really be more like 10% velocity per level. I have more to say about the proposed changes but will say them in that thread. Take The EvE Personality Test today!
Liang Nuren No Salvation Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:39:00 - [14] On second thought, the removal of SDA strength is a maaaaajor nerf to ECM, and it's not nearly made up for by the paltry ECM strength increase. So I think we'll see : 3.6 Base * 1.25 (Skills) * 2.0 (BS5) = 9 ECM strength? Yay, a 10% chance to jam a BS or something? Thanks, just make sure you give the Scorp 6 launcher slots along with that ROF bonus. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Sylar McIntyr Caldari Konstrukteure der Zukunft AAA Citizens	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:11:00 - [15] Worst thing in my eyes are their plans for the Scorpion Anyone got a decent shield/armor tank fitting + Hybrids or better lazors ? ________________________________________________ Making space dangerous again !
TimMc Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Liang Nuren My Scorp is gonna kick someone's ass. 4SRSLY. -Liang 1000dps, ecm, tackle and shield buffer oh yeah...
MaxXx Gunn	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:19:00 - [17] EPIC FAIL. cry babies always get their way, heaven forbid people actually have to think of a way to out play the other person...wait no we'll just cry until they change it so we dont have to!
GateScout	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:21:00 - [18] If ECM continues to be racially limited and chance based, there is no way you'll see these ships used again...with the exception of the rook as it's the only one that has a chance for survival. They will still get primaried. They cannot tank. They cannot put out DPS. They have turned the falcon into a kitsune with a CovOps Cloak. "Brawler" falcon? That's absurd. Up close and personal with a scorpion? ...and now the rook will be totally overpowered with a 25m^3 drone bay. lol. Well, CCP...that's one way to go, I guess.
Trader20	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:22:00 - [19] Wat ships do you fly Christina so I can go on the forums and whine about how I get pwnd by it all the time, also why doesn't CCP nerf guys who play chick chars?
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:32:00 - [20] >strolled in >saw removal of range bonus to falcon >strolled out >partied __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus Dark Cadre	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:54:00 - [21] woot scorp bonus less range failcons and interesting changes in the rook area but i do like the scorp most of all
Solid Prefekt Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.03.25 02:57:00 - [22] Edited by: Solid Prefekt on 25/03/2009 02:57:47 Originally by: GateScout They will still get primaried. They cannot tank. They cannot put out DPS. Hmmm, that sounds like a . . . .RAPIER. Welcome to the club Caldari. And the Falcon can fit just a good of a tank as a Rapier (it is just that the rapier is forced to use more slots for tank). I seriously never thought this would happened. I assumed that CCP loved the Falcon and would never touch it.
drMile Kitic Gallente Copperhead Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:07:00 - [23] hahahahaha nerf that ****, erase it from game. god riddance.
GateScout	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:37:00 - [24] Originally by: Solid Prefekt Hmmm, that sounds like a . . . .RAPIER. Welcome to the club Caldari. And the Falcon can fit just a good of a tank as a Rapier (it is just that the rapier is forced to use more slots for tank). Sounds good to me...as soon as the make the falcon as fast and as agile as the rapier. Oh yeah...and the 'weapon' system isn't racially limited and chance based.... As a falcon pilot, I would be ecstatic if they made the falcon (and ECM) more like other recons.
Solid Prefekt Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:46:00 - [25] Originally by: GateScout Originally by: Solid Prefekt Hmmm, that sounds like a . . . .RAPIER. Welcome to the club Caldari. And the Falcon can fit just a good of a tank as a Rapier (it is just that the rapier is forced to use more slots for tank). Sounds good to me...as soon as the make the falcon as fast and as agile as the rapier. Oh yeah...and the 'weapon' system isn't racially limited and chance based.... As a falcon pilot, I would be ecstatic if they made the falcon (and ECM) more like other recons. Sure, I would LOVE to give you the rapiers **** poor speed and agility for your ridiculous range. And webs do hit every time . . . at 60%, so how about we have Falcons jam every time and have it only block 60% of my DPS? Then lets make it so you have to play in under 40km range also. Now we are fair. Same speed, agility, tank, range, and both our weapons are only 60% effective. Should I tell CCP to make the change or you?
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:01:00 - [26] oh snap
Weeka Lyonesse. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:48:00 - [27] Sooo... if everyone that wagered against the incoming falcon nerf would just pay up? Also THIS ---
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis SIRRIUS.	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:15:00 - [28] The removal of the Scorpion's range bonus hurts A LOT, pretty much removing it entirely from fleet warfare. On the plus side, if you want the combat abilities of a Widow, you only need to buy a Scorpion. The only nerf I see to Falcons is you won't be able to sit outside sentry range and jam anymore. Giving people another reason to sit on stations and gates all their PvP lives is pretty poor move, imo. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.03.25 08:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Solid Prefekt Edited by: Solid Prefekt on 25/03/2009 02:57:47 Originally by: GateScout They will still get primaried. They cannot tank. They cannot put out DPS. Hmmm, that sounds like a . . . .RAPIER. Welcome to the club Caldari. And the Falcon can fit just a good of a tank as a Rapier (it is just that the rapier is forced to use more slots for tank). Add Lachesis and Arazu to that list, too. "They cannot tank"? They can tank just as well as a Lach/Arazu/Rapier/Huginn. If you don't put any tank on them... well, that's your problem. Falcon ECM str is getting a boost, use those lows to tank (instead of SDAs). Like the rest of us do. Welcome to the game the rest of the recon pilots have been playing for a while now. Hope you enjoy your stay.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2009.03.25 09:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Solid Prefekt Edited by: Solid Prefekt on 25/03/2009 02:57:47 Originally by: GateScout They will still get primaried. They cannot tank. They cannot put out DPS. Hmmm, that sounds like a . . . .RAPIER. Welcome to the club Caldari. And the Falcon can fit just a good of a tank as a Rapier (it is just that the rapier is forced to use more slots for tank). Add Lachesis and Arazu to that list, too. "They cannot tank"? They can tank just as well as a Lach/Arazu/Rapier/Huginn. If you don't put any tank on them... well, that's your problem. Falcon ECM str is getting a boost, use those lows to tank (instead of SDAs). Like the rest of us do. Welcome to the game the rest of the recon pilots have been playing for a while now. Hope you enjoy your stay. You compare the Lach/Arazu/Rapier/Huginns ewar systems to ecm????.. I had no idea target painters, damps, webs and points could fail within their optimal/ranges like ecm does..... CCP have pumped the pooch yet again with this one...

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