You know, the whole problem is not about game related mails made public but personal information about stuff like health. The API does not filter those out. A spy would never copy/paste personal information to a public website as it holds no "ingame value" to be used.

I miss the option where MY mails are excluded from the API of another player. Aside of the legal aspect, what do you think what will happen with the ingame features "corp mail" and "alliance mail" when sites like these will become more common?

You know, the whole problem is not about game related mails made public but personal information about stuff like health. The API does not filter those out. A spy would never copy/paste personal information to a public website as it holds no "ingame value" to be used.

Let me ask this: If I would post links to illegal content, like movies, and eveskunk automatic make them public. Who would be wrong? Eveskunk for making links to illegal content public? CCP for helping eveskunk retreiving the mails? The person sharing the API? Or the person sending a personal mail to his/her friends?

Let me ask this: If I would post links to illegal content, like movies, and eveskunk automatic make them public. Who would be wrong? Eveskunk for making links to illegal content public? CCP for helping eveskunk retreiving the mails? The person sharing the API? Or the person sending a personal mail to his/her friends?

I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option.

My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it.

Once you send them to another person, they aren't 'your mails' anymore.

Still waiting for that law sweetheart.

First of all the EULA has no legal value, at all.. Torrent sites all have an EULA, yet they are all found illegal. Any EULA, or contract, that breaks the law in one way or another will be nullified. I do not know if the website, or the API, breaks any law but it is worth investigating by CCP and define a stance on such sites. But whether or not if it is against any law, atleast it is unethical.



I do think this topic needs to be locked as enough has been said. It is clear that the privacy laws is different for most players and any discussion on this topic is pointless.

First of all the EULA has no legal value, at all.. Torrent sites all have an EULA, yet they are all found illegal. Any EULA, or contract, that breaks the law in one way or another will be nullified. I do not know if the website, or the API, breaks any law but it is worth investigating by CCP and define a stance on such sites. But whether or not if it is against any law, atleast it is unethical.



I do think this topic needs to be locked as enough has been said. It is clear that the privacy laws is different for most players and any discussion on this topic is pointless.

I do not know if the website, or the API, breaks any law

But...but..your title says there was breach of national laws! You stated in your OP that there was! You sounded so sure and I believed you. And now I find it was all a lie...

Thank you Geil Ding, I have learned a valuable lesson today. I can never trust another human being ever again.

Does anyone know if that one alliance asking for ts donations ever got them? I'd be sad if they couldn't hear mouth breathing anymore

MMO's are not for you...

OP is an idiot but I do think the bigger idiot is the one that thinks an EULA or TOS is law.

It's not 'law', but it is a legally binding contract and therefore subject to 'contract law' which is an actual law. Of course since CCP only have offices in the US, UK, China and Iceland, you'd have to go to one of those places to sue them.

Can someone please just post an image of the API key creation page where you need to purposefully check mail messages for them to be included and end this thread?

I'd do it but I'm lazy and tired and today's a holiday so I'm watching movies.

any discussion on this topic is pointless

Once a goonposter always a goonposter.

If you stop pretending there's a legal aspect I'm happy to explain this to you.

First of all the EULA has no legal value, at all.. Torrent sites all have an EULA, yet they are all found illegal. Any EULA, or contract, that breaks the law in one way or another will be nullified. I do not know if the website, or the API, breaks any law but it is worth investigating by CCP and define a stance on such sites. But whether or not if it is against any law, atleast it is unethical.



I do think this topic needs to be locked as enough has been said. It is clear that the privacy laws is different for most players and any discussion on this topic is pointless.

It is not a legally binding contract by law, in the US last trial about that had the judge throw the case out. In the EU it has already been declared to violate existing law.

Welcome to the idiot club.

I also do not have to go to one of those places to sue them, I can sue them in any country they operate in as selling their products and services, that includes all of the EU, just FYI that's all!

E-CONTRACTS REFER TO THOSE LEGAL PRINCIPLES WHICH ADAPT TRADITIONAL CONTRACTING STANDARDS, RULES, AND REQUIREMENTS, TO MEET THE NEW TECHNOLOGY OF COMMERCIAL CYBERSPACE TRANSACTIONS.
THE STANDARD CONTRACT RULES OF OFFER, ACCEPTANCE, CONSIDERATION STILL APPLY TO E-CONTRACTS, HOWEVER, HOW THEY ARE MANIFESTED AS HISTORICAL RECORDS MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM TRADITIONAL PAPER RECORDS.

ONLINE OFFERS INCLUDES CHECK BOXES INDICATING THAT BUYER ACCEPTS ALL TERMS OF THE SELLERGÇÖS OFFER;
SCREENS OUTLING THE PAYMENT PROVISIONS;
SCREENS OUTLING THE REFUND AND RETURN POLICIES;
DISCLAIMERS OF LIABILITY;
REMEDIES FOR DEFECTIVE PRODUCTS;
STATEMENTS ON HOW THE BUYERGÇÖS INFORMATION WILL BE USED;
PROVISIONS FOR DISPUTE RESOLUTION.

Online Acceptance

CLICK-ON BOXES ARE RECOGNIZED AS AN ACCEPTANCE OF THE TERMS CONTAINED IN THE OFFER;
AGREEMENTS ARE RECOGNIZED WHEN THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THE PRODUCT WHEN DELIVERED BY ONLINE ORDERS;
STANDARD CONTRACTING PRINCIPLES APPLY TO ONLINE ACCEPTANCE WHERE A CONTRACTGÇÖS TERMS ARE FINALIZED UPON THE BUYER EXECUTING THE ACCEPTANCE IN THE DESIGNATED MANNER. LATER ADDED TERMS ARE NOT BINDING ON THE BUYER.
SPECHT VS NETSCAPE COMMUNICATIONS CORP. (PG 260).

Aren't alliance mails those things sent to dozens of anonymous strangers at the same time?

"You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy regarding communications you make in the Game, whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms."

Looks like you agreed already

This is from my business law class here in US.

Your business class is wrong, it does not hold up in a court of law in the US and both in the EU and states like California it violates existing law and is therefore not legal or considered a signed contract.

Again... sorry!

Actually, I always click decline, so I'm not bound by that.

Actually, I always click decline, so I'm not bound by that.

I don't really want to get into the discussion, but playing the game after bypassing or declining the EULA would be illegal, or implies acceptance...

... so trying to sue CCP for breaching your privacy would be the stupidest of all dumbarse ideas

Also Fannie I think part of the EULA is that any dispute has to be in a court in Iceland

A) it is not illegal, but pointless perhaps CCP would object and deny that person service but they would lose a complaint for reimbursement.

B) Not true at all, if they lose a dispute and break law in a country where they offer service in let's say the UK then they can enjoy being denied to conduct business in all of EU even. Same goes for the US, you can file a suit in any state there, it would hurt Business operating there.

edit; in any case this whole thread is stupid and pointless, OP is wrong and the ones arguing that EULA and TOS is a binding contract are also wrong, peace.

PS: Your business class is wrong!