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Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
327
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:24:00 -
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You can exclude EVE mails from your API key.
Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |

Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:25:00 -
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So many clueless "breaching x law" posts lately.
Unless you're pretty clear on Icelandic law, shut the **** up.
No, really.
Shut. The. ****. Up.
When you don't know what you're talking about and you let it hang out for everyone to see, you look like an idiot.
Signed
Abraham Lincoln, First President of the United States. . |

malaire
382
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:28:00 -
[33] - Quote
Aiwha wrote:You can exclude EVE mails from your API key.
He wants to control what other players can use their personal API keys for. New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |

Jandice Ymladris
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction -affliction-
21
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:32:00 -
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Serious, this is all part of the game. Don't like it? deal with it! You can't expect CCP to hold your hand and help you to weed out spies. It's up to you how to do that, that's what makes EvE great, you choose how to play, and if there's an obstacle, you find ways around it, or how to remove it. Not cry to CCP that it's unfair. |

TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression Dragoons.
149
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:39:00 -
[35] - Quote
how about not using your evemail as a way of sending sensetive information to people?
If only there were other systems that were more secure and actually had to acknowledge such laws rather than in game coms. |

Spymaster Bates
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:12:00 -
[36] - Quote
TheBlueMonkey wrote:If only there were other systems that were more secure and actually had to acknowledge such laws rather than in game coms.
I know!
I just cannot think of a single one! Twitter - @eveskunk |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:41:00 -
[37] - Quote
Geil Ding wrote:I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option. My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it. Accusing CCP of facilitating in this case is a bit like accusing Hollywood of facilitating movie torrents. If anything, eveskunk is equivalent to the torrent site. |

cpu939
Eternal Darkness. G00DFELLAS
16
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:41:00 -
[38] - Quote
i might be wrong but do not all in game items belong to ccp. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:42:00 -
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cpu939 wrote:i might be wrong but do not all in game items belong to ccp. Communications aren't an item. |

Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:48:00 -
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Geil Ding wrote:I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option. My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it. This is true... but its a good thing that Eve is just a game (you know its just a game right?...right?) and not bound by international laws... I will finish with this appropriate ASCII picture: ............................................________ ....................................,.-'"...................``~., .............................,.-"..................................."-., .........................,/...............................................":, .....................,?......................................................, .................../...........................................................,} ................./......................................................,:`^`..} .............../...................................................,:"........./ ..............?.....__.........................................:`.........../ ............./__.(....."~-,_..............................,:`........../ .........../(_...."~,_........"~,_....................,:`........_/ ..........{.._$;_......"=,_......."-,_.......,.-~-,},.~";/....} ...........((.....*~_......."=-._......";,,./`..../"............../ ...,,,___.`~,......"~.,....................`.....}............../ ............(....`=-,,.......`........................(......;_,,-" ............/.`~,......`-...................................../ .............`~.*-,.....................................|,./.....,__ ,,_..........}.>-._...................................|..............`=~-, .....`=~-,__......`,................................. ...................`=~-,,.,............................... ................................`:,,...........................`..............__ .....................................`=-,...................,%`>--==`` ........................................_..........._,-%.......` ...................................,
CCP and games are bound by international laws as well as National laws. I doubt they are in this instance but when it comes to things like billing, publishing, consumer laws and even laws against terrorism and company laws, tax laws and many more they are all bound by them....
Try avoid making general sweeping statements.
In regards to the OP, manage your API better, never check everything and hand it out, only what you are willing to give. |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
97
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:55:00 -
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Not much you can do about stupid. |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
49
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:14:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:Internet lawyers... ...Will be the first ones up against the wall, come the Revolution! Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |

Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
727
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:36:00 -
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Armchair lawyers are SO very amusing. All the "whatabouts?" are covered in the statutes involved. There is no opinion other than a judge's.
Try tossing around "expectation of privacy" for a few megabytes. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |

Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
117
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:54:00 -
[44] - Quote
free intel with no work involved nice. Wish local could work as good.
This is so bullshit its broken IMO. Alliance leaders should be the only ones able to post alliance mails in their API's.
INB4 alliances creating encrypted mails and CODE-BREAKING ACTUALLY BECOMES A SKILL |

Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
328
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:01:00 -
[45] - Quote
malaire wrote:Aiwha wrote:You can exclude EVE mails from your API key.
He wants to control what other players can use their personal API keys for.
Ah, so he doesn't want people to reveal mails that he sent to them?
I see.
Well since the OP is hopless I'm going to pack it in and declare this a Zamboni thread. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |

seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
150
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:07:00 -
[46] - Quote
Metal Icarus wrote:free intel with no work involved nice. Wish local could work as good.
This is so bullshit its broken IMO. Alliance leaders should be the only ones able to post alliance mails in their API's.
INB4 alliances creating encrypted mails and CODE-BREAKING ACTUALLY BECOMES A SKILL
They can be, it generally requires the communication officer role in order to post alliance mails, what the OP wants is to basically select what mails certain people receive (spais) but theirs nothing stopping spais copy/pastea into internet webpages and it doesn't breach international laws, you press send, the mail becomes CCP property. |

Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
95
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:09:00 -
[47] - Quote
Thanks to you, me and my 250 alliance mates now have access to mails of different alliances (we don't really care about anyway). |

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
347
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:30:00 -
[48] - Quote
Someone annoyed at leaked Alliance Mails?
Also this is not new, EVE has been decompiled and recompiled over and over again client side since the days of BACON, so figure out by yourself with this in mind, that even something like the API which is external to the client is bound to be manipulated by imaginative people willing to gain an edge by metagaming too.
Really, if you this worried about your privacy on eve, you need better recruitment policies and background checking. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |

Snooood
3
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:40:00 -
[49] - Quote
Jowen Datloran wrote:Internet lawyers...
shut up nerd |

Geil Ding
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:43:00 -
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I am not a layer but a programmer with a Masters degree in Software Engineering. An important topic is "ethics". We, as programmers, are often asked to build something that is against privacy laws. Our duty is to point this out and even refuse to help with breaking the law..
In this case CCP did not, intentionaly, break any laws.. as the API was build with a good intention. But right now, parts of the API, are abused in breaking laws. CCP needs to act on this, maybe even change the API.
In almost every country it is against the law to make private information public, like mails. Nobody will go to court over this, thats for sure. I hope CCP received the message and will act upon and do the "ethical" thing. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
925
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:47:00 -
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Aiwha wrote: Well since the OP is hopless I'm going to pack it in and declare this a Zamboni thread.
"Who's that at the door!!?"
http://www.tabletpcbuzz.com/forum/uploaded/WNewquay/20044227751_zamboni1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Zamboni.jpg
http://www.njmonthly.com/downloads/2420/download/zamboni.jpg The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:51:00 -
[52] - Quote
Geil Ding wrote:I am not a layer but a programmer with a Masters degree in Software Engineering. An important topic is "ethics". We, as programmers, are often asked to build something that is against privacy laws. Our duty is to point this out and even refuse to help with breaking the law..
In this case CCP did not, intentionaly, break any laws.. as the API was build with a good intention. But right now, parts of the API, are abused in breaking laws. CCP needs to act on this, maybe even change the API.
In almost every country it is against the law to make private information public, like mails. Nobody will go to court over this, thats for sure. I hope CCP received the message and will act upon and do the "ethical" thing.
You sent those mails to members of your alliance. Those members are free to do what they want with those mails.
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
73
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:59:00 -
[53] - Quote
I'd say it would be a more slippery slope if EVE as a game encouraged the use of their tools for RL , non game related communication.
If the api is less secure than free email servers maybe an additional caution to that effect and recomendation that personal conversations be taken out of game might be a nice idea ethically. |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
263
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:01:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:You sent those mails to members of your alliance. Those members are free to do what they want with those mails.
End thread.
Rofl internet spaceships lawyer jagoffs. So ******* dumb.
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:06:00 -
[55] - Quote
Diomedes Calypso wrote:I'd say it would be a more slippery slope if EVE as a game encouraged the use of their tools for RL , non game related communication.
If the api is less secure than free email servers maybe an additional caution to that effect and recomendation that personal conversations be taken out of game might be a nice idea ethically.
It's not less secure though. People can only access mails that they are entitled to access, there is no breach of privacy here at all. Even if you moved all of your alliance mail to a third party mail server, the people in the alliance are still able to copy and paste that onto this website.
I'd say that the eve mail system is more secure than most mail systems because you can create 'one time (or rather one day) use' keys to access without using your username and password. |

Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
337
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:14:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:Likes received: 0
Says it all, really. Oh hell when did Likes start mattering? Or is it just to you?
Well, they started mattering the minute you found fault to pick with what I said ^^ |

Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
68
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:17:00 -
[57] - Quote
Geil Ding wrote:I am not a layer but a programmer with a Masters degree in Software Engineering. An important topic is "ethics". We, as programmers, are often asked to build something that is against privacy laws. Our duty is to point this out and even refuse to help with breaking the law..
In this case CCP did not, intentionaly, break any laws.. as the API was build with a good intention. But right now, parts of the API, are abused in breaking laws. CCP needs to act on this, maybe even change the API.
In almost every country it is against the law to make private information public, like mails. Nobody will go to court over this, thats for sure. I hope CCP received the message and will act upon and do the "ethical" thing.
Better call Saul! |

Geil Ding
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:18:00 -
[58] - Quote
If a player would copy/paste the mail themselves then it their problem, CCP did not help them doing so.
Also, the receiver of a mail is not entitled to make the mail public without consent of the sender. Imagine the government to make everything public what was send to them, like letters, tax submissions, etc. Or a doctor who would make everything public about his patients, I mean.. he is free to share everything was is being shared with him, right? Wrong, it is all against the law.
feel free to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_privacy |

SpaceSquirrels
278
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:20:00 -
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1. It's an in game mail system 2. Spam mail sent to lots of members 3. It's not stealing if they send it to you.
4. Go sue them or nothing will change. |

Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:21:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve on the scene....
No internet laws have been broken. The Law Offices of Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates have looked in to this and no wrong doing is involved.
A bill from the Law Offices of Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates will be sent to the OP. We will expect full payment in 30 days.
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