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Grut
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Posted - 2004.08.22 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Grut on 22/08/2004 17:21:26
 Originally by: juduzz
Edited by: juduzz on 21/08/2004 11:35:47
edited for caffine lacking grammer.
Taranis+crow= -crow.
One ship i wont engage in my crow is the taranis unless specificaly setup and then thats dependant on the pilot.
The crow a very a nice fast and powerful ceptor just lacks to many defences IMO compared to the taranis, taranis is a better anti ceptor ship on the other hand crow is a better group/fleet ship. why i fly both and love em. Just feel safer in the taranis hehe.
Hardly ever lost a fight to a taranis ... you need to work on your tactics, unless the guys using double webbies in which case you'll need to warpout asap. Crow >> taranis 95% of the time
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Grut
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Posted - 2004.08.22 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Grut on 22/08/2004 17:21:26
Originally by: juduzz
Edited by: juduzz on 21/08/2004 11:35:47
edited for caffine lacking grammer.
Taranis+crow= -crow.
One ship i wont engage in my crow is the taranis unless specificaly setup and then thats dependant on the pilot.
The crow a very a nice fast and powerful ceptor just lacks to many defences IMO compared to the taranis, taranis is a better anti ceptor ship on the other hand crow is a better group/fleet ship. why i fly both and love em. Just feel safer in the taranis hehe.
Hardly ever lost a fight to a taranis ... you need to work on your tactics, unless the guys using double webbies in which case you'll need to warpout asap. Crow >> taranis 95% of the time
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.08.23 00:59:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Grut
Edited by: Grut on 22/08/2004 17:21:26
Originally by: juduzz
Edited by: juduzz on 21/08/2004 11:35:47
edited for caffine lacking grammer.
Taranis+crow= -crow.
One ship i wont engage in my crow is the taranis unless specificaly setup and then thats dependant on the pilot.
The crow a very a nice fast and powerful ceptor just lacks to many defences IMO compared to the taranis, taranis is a better anti ceptor ship on the other hand crow is a better group/fleet ship. why i fly both and love em. Just feel safer in the taranis hehe.
Hardly ever lost a fight to a taranis ... you need to work on your tactics, unless the guys using double webbies in which case you'll need to warpout asap. Crow >> taranis 95% of the time
^^ me stands corrected just did a 1v1 vrs grut my taranis vrs his crow and safe to say he owned me think i only did a slight bit of armor damage if any first crow lost against. Damn fine pilot /emote uses dual web next time :P
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.08.23 00:59:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Grut
Edited by: Grut on 22/08/2004 17:21:26
Originally by: juduzz
Edited by: juduzz on 21/08/2004 11:35:47
edited for caffine lacking grammer.
Taranis+crow= -crow.
One ship i wont engage in my crow is the taranis unless specificaly setup and then thats dependant on the pilot.
The crow a very a nice fast and powerful ceptor just lacks to many defences IMO compared to the taranis, taranis is a better anti ceptor ship on the other hand crow is a better group/fleet ship. why i fly both and love em. Just feel safer in the taranis hehe.
Hardly ever lost a fight to a taranis ... you need to work on your tactics, unless the guys using double webbies in which case you'll need to warpout asap. Crow >> taranis 95% of the time
^^ me stands corrected just did a 1v1 vrs grut my taranis vrs his crow and safe to say he owned me think i only did a slight bit of armor damage if any first crow lost against. Damn fine pilot /emote uses dual web next time :P
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.08.23 01:13:00 -
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The bottom hit in my sig was done in a taranis while killing npcs with some corpmates in frigates. I was using plutonium ammo and a tech 2 damage mod. 
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.08.23 01:13:00 -
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The bottom hit in my sig was done in a taranis while killing npcs with some corpmates in frigates. I was using plutonium ammo and a tech 2 damage mod.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.23 05:54:00 -
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I've been flying a Crow since almost right after they came out. Actually, I've been flying THE SAME Crow all that time. I've flown it against every type of ship in the game solo and in packs and have yet to lose it.
As for the Taranis, why in the hell a Crow pilot would close to less than 10-12km is a mystery to me. I find that I can kill a Taranis just fine from a distance. Usually they are so busy trying to close the range that they neglect to notice that a trio of Bloodclaws is slamming into them every eight to nine seconds while my 150mm Proto barks constantly and then... boom. 
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.23 05:54:00 -
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I've been flying a Crow since almost right after they came out. Actually, I've been flying THE SAME Crow all that time. I've flown it against every type of ship in the game solo and in packs and have yet to lose it.
As for the Taranis, why in the hell a Crow pilot would close to less than 10-12km is a mystery to me. I find that I can kill a Taranis just fine from a distance. Usually they are so busy trying to close the range that they neglect to notice that a trio of Bloodclaws is slamming into them every eight to nine seconds while my 150mm Proto barks constantly and then... boom.
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Zarthanon
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Posted - 2004.08.23 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
As for the Taranis, why in the hell a Crow pilot would close to less than 10-12km is a mystery to me. I find that I can kill a Taranis just fine from a distance. Usually they are so busy trying to close the range that they neglect to notice that a trio of Bloodclaws is slamming into them every eight to nine seconds while my 150mm Proto barks constantly and then... boom.
Ok... you must be fighting some stupid Taranis pilots... if the idiot doesn't start going away from you when they discover you are staying out of web range... then they deserve to die. I've never lost a Taranis to anything but another Taranis. That only happened once. And you must not be fighting very much if you haven't lost one of your intys once. I've lost a good many Taranis but to cruisers and BS in fleet battles.
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Zarthanon
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Posted - 2004.08.23 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
As for the Taranis, why in the hell a Crow pilot would close to less than 10-12km is a mystery to me. I find that I can kill a Taranis just fine from a distance. Usually they are so busy trying to close the range that they neglect to notice that a trio of Bloodclaws is slamming into them every eight to nine seconds while my 150mm Proto barks constantly and then... boom.
Ok... you must be fighting some stupid Taranis pilots... if the idiot doesn't start going away from you when they discover you are staying out of web range... then they deserve to die. I've never lost a Taranis to anything but another Taranis. That only happened once. And you must not be fighting very much if you haven't lost one of your intys once. I've lost a good many Taranis but to cruisers and BS in fleet battles.
2004.12.11 15:13:28combatYour 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I perfectly strikes Caldari Control Tower [FREEE], wrecking for 1016.6 damage. |
Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.23 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zarthanon
Ok... you must be fighting some stupid Taranis pilots...
Only fought three. They all died. I guess they were all stupid because I suck at PvP?
Originally by: Zarthanon
if the idiot doesn't start going away from you when they discover you are staying out of web range... then they deserve to die.
Or they aren't paying attention, or they really want to try to kill me or one of the other 10,000 things that happen in combat.
Originally by: Zarthanon
And you must not be fighting very much if you haven't lost one of your intys once.
Yeah... I rarely undock. What does MWD stand for?
Originally by: Zarthanon
I've lost a good many Taranis but to cruisers and BS in fleet battles.
Ummm... good for you? 
I don't understand. Your standard for being a good pilot... is losing multiple ships?
I understand you love your miniature Blasterthron, but don't think that means anything to a pilot who knows how to fight them. The only frigate I might consider running from on most days is a Crusader and even then only when it's got a competent pilot on the stick. I'm waiting for Istvaan to post on this thread and rave about his Crusader of Doom.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.23 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zarthanon
Ok... you must be fighting some stupid Taranis pilots...
Only fought three. They all died. I guess they were all stupid because I suck at PvP?
Originally by: Zarthanon
if the idiot doesn't start going away from you when they discover you are staying out of web range... then they deserve to die.
Or they aren't paying attention, or they really want to try to kill me or one of the other 10,000 things that happen in combat.
Originally by: Zarthanon
And you must not be fighting very much if you haven't lost one of your intys once.
Yeah... I rarely undock. What does MWD stand for?
Originally by: Zarthanon
I've lost a good many Taranis but to cruisers and BS in fleet battles.
Ummm... good for you?
I don't understand. Your standard for being a good pilot... is losing multiple ships?
I understand you love your miniature Blasterthron, but don't think that means anything to a pilot who knows how to fight them. The only frigate I might consider running from on most days is a Crusader and even then only when it's got a competent pilot on the stick. I'm waiting for Istvaan to post on this thread and rave about his Crusader of Doom.
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2004.08.23 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zarthanon
And you must not be fighting very much if you haven't lost one of your intys once.
 Oh, now that's grand...
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2004.08.23 09:23:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Zarthanon
And you must not be fighting very much if you haven't lost one of your intys once.
Oh, now that's grand...
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.08.23 10:52:00 -
[45]
Originally by: juduzz
Originally by: Grut
Edited by: Grut on 22/08/2004 17:21:26
Originally by: juduzz
Edited by: juduzz on 21/08/2004 11:35:47
edited for caffine lacking grammer.
Taranis+crow= -crow.
One ship i wont engage in my crow is the taranis unless specificaly setup and then thats dependant on the pilot.
The crow a very a nice fast and powerful ceptor just lacks to many defences IMO compared to the taranis, taranis is a better anti ceptor ship on the other hand crow is a better group/fleet ship. why i fly both and love em. Just feel safer in the taranis hehe.
Hardly ever lost a fight to a taranis ... you need to work on your tactics, unless the guys using double webbies in which case you'll need to warpout asap. Crow >> taranis 95% of the time
^^ me stands corrected just did a 1v1 vrs grut my taranis vrs his crow and safe to say he owned me think i only did a slight bit of armor damage if any first crow lost against. Damn fine pilot /emote uses dual web next time :P
There is a way to defeat him without dual web.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.08.23 10:52:00 -
[46]
Originally by: juduzz
Originally by: Grut
Edited by: Grut on 22/08/2004 17:21:26
Originally by: juduzz
Edited by: juduzz on 21/08/2004 11:35:47
edited for caffine lacking grammer.
Taranis+crow= -crow.
One ship i wont engage in my crow is the taranis unless specificaly setup and then thats dependant on the pilot.
The crow a very a nice fast and powerful ceptor just lacks to many defences IMO compared to the taranis, taranis is a better anti ceptor ship on the other hand crow is a better group/fleet ship. why i fly both and love em. Just feel safer in the taranis hehe.
Hardly ever lost a fight to a taranis ... you need to work on your tactics, unless the guys using double webbies in which case you'll need to warpout asap. Crow >> taranis 95% of the time
^^ me stands corrected just did a 1v1 vrs grut my taranis vrs his crow and safe to say he owned me think i only did a slight bit of armor damage if any first crow lost against. Damn fine pilot /emote uses dual web next time :P
There is a way to defeat him without dual web.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.08.23 11:01:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Seleene
I've been flying a Crow since almost right after they came out. Actually, I've been flying THE SAME Crow all that time. I've flown it against every type of ship in the game solo and in packs and have yet to lose it.
As for the Taranis, why in the hell a Crow pilot would close to less than 10-12km is a mystery to me. I find that I can kill a Taranis just fine from a distance. Usually they are so busy trying to close the range that they neglect to notice that a trio of Bloodclaws is slamming into them every eight to nine seconds while my 150mm Proto barks constantly and then... boom.
nice post, shame the 150mm proto gauss railgun doesnt exist 
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.08.23 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
I've been flying a Crow since almost right after they came out. Actually, I've been flying THE SAME Crow all that time. I've flown it against every type of ship in the game solo and in packs and have yet to lose it.
As for the Taranis, why in the hell a Crow pilot would close to less than 10-12km is a mystery to me. I find that I can kill a Taranis just fine from a distance. Usually they are so busy trying to close the range that they neglect to notice that a trio of Bloodclaws is slamming into them every eight to nine seconds while my 150mm Proto barks constantly and then... boom.
nice post, shame the 150mm proto gauss railgun doesnt exist
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.08.23 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Zarthanon
if the idiot doesn't start going away from you when they discover you are staying out of web range... then they deserve to die.
Or they aren't paying attention, or they really want to try to kill me or one of the other 10,000 things that happen in combat.
You said it your self... 8-9 secs for every 3 bloodclaws. If a pilot hasn't realised that he can't reach you and taken evasive action in that time then he is lacking.
There are pilots out there that will escape a dual webber Nis and that takes split second reactions.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.08.23 11:05:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Zarthanon
if the idiot doesn't start going away from you when they discover you are staying out of web range... then they deserve to die.
Or they aren't paying attention, or they really want to try to kill me or one of the other 10,000 things that happen in combat.
You said it your self... 8-9 secs for every 3 bloodclaws. If a pilot hasn't realised that he can't reach you and taken evasive action in that time then he is lacking.
There are pilots out there that will escape a dual webber Nis and that takes split second reactions.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.23 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Seleene
I've been flying a Crow since almost right after they came out. Actually, I've been flying THE SAME Crow all that time. I've flown it against every type of ship in the game solo and in packs and have yet to lose it.
As for the Taranis, why in the hell a Crow pilot would close to less than 10-12km is a mystery to me. I find that I can kill a Taranis just fine from a distance. Usually they are so busy trying to close the range that they neglect to notice that a trio of Bloodclaws is slamming into them every eight to nine seconds while my 150mm Proto barks constantly and then... boom.
nice post, shame the 150mm proto gauss railgun doesnt exist
Sorry if you've never seen them but that doesn't mean they don't exist. They do.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.23 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Seleene
I've been flying a Crow since almost right after they came out. Actually, I've been flying THE SAME Crow all that time. I've flown it against every type of ship in the game solo and in packs and have yet to lose it.
As for the Taranis, why in the hell a Crow pilot would close to less than 10-12km is a mystery to me. I find that I can kill a Taranis just fine from a distance. Usually they are so busy trying to close the range that they neglect to notice that a trio of Bloodclaws is slamming into them every eight to nine seconds while my 150mm Proto barks constantly and then... boom.
nice post, shame the 150mm proto gauss railgun doesnt exist
Sorry if you've never seen them but that doesn't mean they don't exist. They do.
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:40:00 -
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The main crow pilots i encounter aint tanked and do a very close orbit guessing a 1-2.5 k so against the taranis they tend to die but tanked flown right grut has shown they are nasty.
Ppl called me a n00b for tanking a taranis lol which was funny when they died guess the crow can do it and have the advantage of distance if the pilot flies it right.
Time to change my drone resistant setup on my crow try tanking and get some more flight time in that beast :P
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:40:00 -
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The main crow pilots i encounter aint tanked and do a very close orbit guessing a 1-2.5 k so against the taranis they tend to die but tanked flown right grut has shown they are nasty.
Ppl called me a n00b for tanking a taranis lol which was funny when they died guess the crow can do it and have the advantage of distance if the pilot flies it right.
Time to change my drone resistant setup on my crow try tanking and get some more flight time in that beast :P
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Zyanid
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:42:00 -
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150mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
i concur..
How can you say something doesnt exist just because you havent seen it?
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Zyanid
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:42:00 -
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150mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
i concur..
How can you say something doesnt exist just because you havent seen it?
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zyanid
150mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
i concur..
How can you say something doesnt exist just because you havent seen it?
Maybe he was wearing too much eyeshadow?
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zyanid
150mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
i concur..
How can you say something doesnt exist just because you havent seen it?
Maybe he was wearing too much eyeshadow?
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 23/08/2004 12:57:53
Originally by: juduzz
The main crow pilots i encounter aint tanked and do a very close orbit guessing a 1-2.5 k so against the taranis they tend to die but tanked flown right grut has shown they are nasty.
Ppl called me a n00b for tanking a taranis lol which was funny when they died guess the crow can do it and have the advantage of distance if the pilot flies it right.
Time to change my drone resistant setup on my crow try tanking and get some more flight time in that beast :P
Heh. You hit it exactly.
Why in the hell would a Crow pilot close to that kind of orbit? Thier main armament is missiles! I don't think many people realize just how much Standard Missile Level 4 or 5, plus a Ballistic Control, plus the Caldari kinetic missile damage bonuses matter. On a good hit, a Bloodclaw can do 120-135 points of damage and a Crow fires three of them about every eight seconds.
No, it's not as devestating as a Tanaris at close range, but two or three volleys is generally enough to send any frigate down in flames. Twenty seconds goes by really fast in a one on one duel and if a Crow doesn't want a Tanaris, or any other frigate, to get closer than 10km, there's no way it's going to happen.
I've seen interceptors and even cruisers do a version of, "OMG!! WTF?!" as they suddenly realize that they aren't going to be able to close. Then they do the 'double-click franticlly on anything' to align and warp out and 50% of the time that is exactly when that last volley of missiles puts them in a pod.
Crows and Crusaders don't get most of thier kills by closing to web and warp scramble range. They get them because enemy pilots underestimate the damage output of these craft and expect thier target to close range. By the time they understand that is not going to happen, it's usually too late.
My point: there is a counter to everything and no ship will automatically win a battle. Ninety percent of kills made are due to a pilot's skill, not what ship he is flying.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 23/08/2004 12:57:53
Originally by: juduzz
The main crow pilots i encounter aint tanked and do a very close orbit guessing a 1-2.5 k so against the taranis they tend to die but tanked flown right grut has shown they are nasty.
Ppl called me a n00b for tanking a taranis lol which was funny when they died guess the crow can do it and have the advantage of distance if the pilot flies it right.
Time to change my drone resistant setup on my crow try tanking and get some more flight time in that beast :P
Heh. You hit it exactly.
Why in the hell would a Crow pilot close to that kind of orbit? Thier main armament is missiles! I don't think many people realize just how much Standard Missile Level 4 or 5, plus a Ballistic Control, plus the Caldari kinetic missile damage bonuses matter. On a good hit, a Bloodclaw can do 120-135 points of damage and a Crow fires three of them about every eight seconds.
No, it's not as devestating as a Tanaris at close range, but two or three volleys is generally enough to send any frigate down in flames. Twenty seconds goes by really fast in a one on one duel and if a Crow doesn't want a Tanaris, or any other frigate, to get closer than 10km, there's no way it's going to happen.
I've seen interceptors and even cruisers do a version of, "OMG!! WTF?!" as they suddenly realize that they aren't going to be able to close. Then they do the 'double-click franticlly on anything' to align and warp out and 50% of the time that is exactly when that last volley of missiles puts them in a pod.
Crows and Crusaders don't get most of thier kills by closing to web and warp scramble range. They get them because enemy pilots underestimate the damage output of these craft and expect thier target to close range. By the time they understand that is not going to happen, it's usually too late.
My point: there is a counter to everything and no ship will automatically win a battle. Ninety percent of kills made are due to a pilot's skill, not what ship he is flying.
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