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Trevedian	Posted - 2004.08.23 13:03:00 - [61] Both a corpm8 of mine (Snook) and myself have taken Crows' with our Crusaders' just last night. I read this post beforehand and was worried but I hardly took any damage and dished out alot more. I haven't fought a Taranis 1 v 1 yet, but don't believe all the hype, Crow's can be taken down with other ceptors I have proof! (ask if you want me to post the logs) Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
Trevedian	Posted - 2004.08.23 13:03:00 - [62] Both a corpm8 of mine (Snook) and myself have taken Crows' with our Crusaders' just last night. I read this post beforehand and was worried but I hardly took any damage and dished out alot more. I haven't fought a Taranis 1 v 1 yet, but don't believe all the hype, Crow's can be taken down with other ceptors I have proof! (ask if you want me to post the logs) Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
Seleene	Posted - 2004.08.23 13:13:00 - [63] Originally by: Trevedian Both a corpm8 of mine (Snook) and myself have taken Crows' with our Crusaders' just last night. I read this post beforehand and was worried but I hardly took any damage and dished out alot more. I haven't fought a Taranis 1 v 1 yet, but don't believe all the hype, Crow's can be taken down with other ceptors I have proof! (ask if you want me to post the logs) Yep. As I said, the Crusader is the only Itty I usually get nervous around. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.08.23 13:13:00 - [64] Originally by: Trevedian Both a corpm8 of mine (Snook) and myself have taken Crows' with our Crusaders' just last night. I read this post beforehand and was worried but I hardly took any damage and dished out alot more. I haven't fought a Taranis 1 v 1 yet, but don't believe all the hype, Crow's can be taken down with other ceptors I have proof! (ask if you want me to post the logs) Yep. As I said, the Crusader is the only Itty I usually get nervous around. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
juduzz	Posted - 2004.08.23 13:58:00 - [65] Iv found the crusader lacking because of laser damage, maybe because the one i fought had radios so hardly touched armor with EM only damage (lost 17 armor out of 918 0_o) and with 1 mid slot its either web or scrambler and if scrambler you should be able to close on him fast enough or if hes packing a web you can always warp out if the **** hits the fan. That was in a taranis though not faced one in a crow as of yet. ----------------------------------------------
juduzz	Posted - 2004.08.23 13:58:00 - [66] Iv found the crusader lacking because of laser damage, maybe because the one i fought had radios so hardly touched armor with EM only damage (lost 17 armor out of 918 0_o) and with 1 mid slot its either web or scrambler and if scrambler you should be able to close on him fast enough or if hes packing a web you can always warp out if the **** hits the fan. That was in a taranis though not faced one in a crow as of yet. ----------------------------------------------
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.08.23 15:50:00 - [67] /me wants to remove Seleen from her Crow with an Ares ;) JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.08.23 15:50:00 - [68] /me wants to remove Seleen from her Crow with an Ares ;) JF Public Forum
juduzz	Posted - 2004.08.23 19:24:00 - [69] Originally by: Jade Constantine /me wants to remove Seleen from her Crow with an Ares ;) Now that would be worth seeing. Finding a good ares setup that has pretty descent firepower seems to be next to impossible compared to the other ceptors (except maybe the raptor). ----------------------------------------------
juduzz	Posted - 2004.08.23 19:24:00 - [70] Originally by: Jade Constantine /me wants to remove Seleen from her Crow with an Ares ;) Now that would be worth seeing. Finding a good ares setup that has pretty descent firepower seems to be next to impossible compared to the other ceptors (except maybe the raptor). ----------------------------------------------
JoCool	Posted - 2004.08.23 20:26:00 - [71] Oh dear Fix the Craptor!
JoCool	Posted - 2004.08.23 20:26:00 - [72] Oh dear Fix the Craptor!
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.08.23 23:01:00 - [73] Edited by: Jazz Bo on 23/08/2004 23:05:53 Originally by: Zarthanon I've never lost a Taranis to anything but another Taranis. That only happened once. And you must not be fighting very much if you haven't lost one of your intys once. I've lost a good many Taranis but to cruisers and BS in fleet battles. cough What about the time you lost your Taranis to Boonaki's Badger II? (ok, technically it was Fed's Tempest that got you in the end, but only because you called in a BB, Rifter and Crow to save your ass from the Badger's deadly grip. 2 x webbies and Gallente specific ECM... oh yeah ) Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.08.23 23:01:00 - [74] Edited by: Jazz Bo on 23/08/2004 23:05:53 Originally by: Zarthanon I've never lost a Taranis to anything but another Taranis. That only happened once. And you must not be fighting very much if you haven't lost one of your intys once. I've lost a good many Taranis but to cruisers and BS in fleet battles. cough What about the time you lost your Taranis to Boonaki's Badger II? (ok, technically it was Fed's Tempest that got you in the end, but only because you called in a BB, Rifter and Crow to save your ass from the Badger's deadly grip. 2 x webbies and Gallente specific ECM... oh yeah ) Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.08.23 23:12:00 - [75] Originally by: juduzz Originally by: Jade Constantine /me wants to remove Seleen from her Crow with an Ares ;) Now that would be worth seeing. Finding a good ares setup that has pretty descent firepower seems to be next to impossible compared to the other ceptors (except maybe the raptor). mmm not worth doing if it wasn't a challenge. I'm up for the try. We could play for ship kills and no podding if you like Seleene? JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.08.23 23:12:00 - [76] Originally by: juduzz Originally by: Jade Constantine /me wants to remove Seleen from her Crow with an Ares ;) Now that would be worth seeing. Finding a good ares setup that has pretty descent firepower seems to be next to impossible compared to the other ceptors (except maybe the raptor). mmm not worth doing if it wasn't a challenge. I'm up for the try. We could play for ship kills and no podding if you like Seleene? JF Public Forum
Seleene	Posted - 2004.08.24 05:33:00 - [77] Edited by: Seleene on 24/08/2004 05:35:07 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: juduzz Originally by: Jade Constantine /me wants to remove Seleen from her Crow with an Ares ;) Now that would be worth seeing. Finding a good ares setup that has pretty descent firepower seems to be next to impossible compared to the other ceptors (except maybe the raptor). mmm not worth doing if it wasn't a challenge. I'm up for the try. We could play for ship kills and no podding if you like Seleene? You want to hurt my baby?! Sure, Jade, it's a date. Might be a bit as I'm on the other side of the galaxy for the next week or so, but the next time I make it up your way I'll shoot you a mail and we'll have ourselves a little shootout. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.08.24 05:33:00 - [78] Edited by: Seleene on 24/08/2004 05:35:07 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: juduzz Originally by: Jade Constantine /me wants to remove Seleen from her Crow with an Ares ;) Now that would be worth seeing. Finding a good ares setup that has pretty descent firepower seems to be next to impossible compared to the other ceptors (except maybe the raptor). mmm not worth doing if it wasn't a challenge. I'm up for the try. We could play for ship kills and no podding if you like Seleene? You want to hurt my baby?! Sure, Jade, it's a date. Might be a bit as I'm on the other side of the galaxy for the next week or so, but the next time I make it up your way I'll shoot you a mail and we'll have ourselves a little shootout. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Latex Mistress	Posted - 2004.08.24 10:19:00 - [79] Originally by: Seleene Sure, Jade, it's a date. Might be a bit as I'm on the other side of the galaxy for the next week or so, but the next time I make it up your way I'll shoot you a mail and we'll have ourselves a little shootout. I'll be lead camera person (in a shuttle, of course)!!! If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
Latex Mistress	Posted - 2004.08.24 10:19:00 - [80] Originally by: Seleene Sure, Jade, it's a date. Might be a bit as I'm on the other side of the galaxy for the next week or so, but the next time I make it up your way I'll shoot you a mail and we'll have ourselves a little shootout. I'll be lead camera person (in a shuttle, of course)!!! If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
Pheole	Posted - 2004.08.24 12:09:00 - [81] okay, first of all im a crow pilot. and YES, it is possible to take out a taranis in a crow. BUT not with the standard equp of 1 mwd 1 web 1 scrambler. you gotta setup your crow for anti frig that means drop the scrambler and get AB's for it. My bird goes around 6k so even if im 90% webbed i still go 600, abit more. Last time ive been fighting against a taranis he also webbed me, i was orbiting em at 5 and he actually didnt hit me really hard. he had a wrecking of 200 but that was it, some light hits as well. he was down on hull i had 1/3 of shield left It is possible to kill a taranis in a crow but you know how to do it. On the other way, if a taranis is setup for anti frig, the crow will have real trouble winning the battle and btw. i dont know what launchers people are using but my rof is 6.25 seconds on arlabest. enuf said, phe~
Pheole	Posted - 2004.08.24 12:09:00 - [82] okay, first of all im a crow pilot. and YES, it is possible to take out a taranis in a crow. BUT not with the standard equp of 1 mwd 1 web 1 scrambler. you gotta setup your crow for anti frig that means drop the scrambler and get AB's for it. My bird goes around 6k so even if im 90% webbed i still go 600, abit more. Last time ive been fighting against a taranis he also webbed me, i was orbiting em at 5 and he actually didnt hit me really hard. he had a wrecking of 200 but that was it, some light hits as well. he was down on hull i had 1/3 of shield left It is possible to kill a taranis in a crow but you know how to do it. On the other way, if a taranis is setup for anti frig, the crow will have real trouble winning the battle and btw. i dont know what launchers people are using but my rof is 6.25 seconds on arlabest. enuf said, phe~
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.08.24 22:58:00 - [83] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 24/08/2004 05:35:07 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: juduzz Originally by: Jade Constantine /me wants to remove Seleen from her Crow with an Ares ;) Now that would be worth seeing. Finding a good ares setup that has pretty descent firepower seems to be next to impossible compared to the other ceptors (except maybe the raptor). mmm not worth doing if it wasn't a challenge. I'm up for the try. We could play for ship kills and no podding if you like Seleene? You want to hurt my baby?! Sure, Jade, it's a date. Might be a bit as I'm on the other side of the galaxy for the next week or so, but the next time I make it up your way I'll shoot you a mail and we'll have ourselves a little shootout. Cool ... we'll have ourselves an Ares vs Crow shoot-out for the holonets to run ;) JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.08.24 22:58:00 - [84] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 24/08/2004 05:35:07 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: juduzz Originally by: Jade Constantine /me wants to remove Seleen from her Crow with an Ares ;) Now that would be worth seeing. Finding a good ares setup that has pretty descent firepower seems to be next to impossible compared to the other ceptors (except maybe the raptor). mmm not worth doing if it wasn't a challenge. I'm up for the try. We could play for ship kills and no podding if you like Seleene? You want to hurt my baby?! Sure, Jade, it's a date. Might be a bit as I'm on the other side of the galaxy for the next week or so, but the next time I make it up your way I'll shoot you a mail and we'll have ourselves a little shootout. Cool ... we'll have ourselves an Ares vs Crow shoot-out for the holonets to run ;) JF Public Forum
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2004.08.25 04:54:00 - [85] Originally by: juduzz Originally by: Jade Constantine /me wants to remove Seleen from her Crow with an Ares ;) Now that would be worth seeing. Finding a good ares setup that has pretty descent firepower seems to be next to impossible compared to the other ceptors (except maybe the raptor). Now I love the Ares, so I'm going to answer this. Like Seleene said, it's all a matter of tactics (but, of course, all frigate combat is). Crows are somewhat deficient in damage over time, but this is countered by their ability to deliver that damage from a distance. So the Crow pilot that keeps their distance tends to live. But if a Crow keeps their distance, they can't web their target, so most Crow pilots tend to close. Since the Crow is slow for an inty, once it gets within its foes web range (assuming its fighting another interceptor), its foe will typically close distance on it. It's the catch-22 of the Crow. Looking at the Ares, it's got two huge advantages when fighting a Crow. You can armor tank it to insane levels, and you can fit a rocket launcher with defenders (I'm assuming the Ares in question has a 2 blaster, rocket launcher, MWD, web and armor tank setup). These two things combined mean that a Crow that keeps its distance will have a very hard time hurting a properly set up Ares, while the faster Ares will be able to escape (if it chooses) at will. From my experience, most Crow pilots will end up closing with a properly set up Ares in order to get around the Ares defenders. Once they've closed, its just a matter of damage over time versus strength of the ship. Crows average something like (if my figures are correct) 45 damage per second for a skilled pilot with a well set up ship (using market modules), while an Ares can do more on the order of 60 per second with a skilled pilot and market modules. Since the well-kitted Ares is also an armor tank, you can see where the fight will end up. Granted, the Ares doesn't have the offensive punch of a Taranis, but it more than makes up for it with its strong defenses. There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2004.08.25 04:54:00 - [86] Originally by: juduzz Originally by: Jade Constantine /me wants to remove Seleen from her Crow with an Ares ;) Now that would be worth seeing. Finding a good ares setup that has pretty descent firepower seems to be next to impossible compared to the other ceptors (except maybe the raptor). Now I love the Ares, so I'm going to answer this. Like Seleene said, it's all a matter of tactics (but, of course, all frigate combat is). Crows are somewhat deficient in damage over time, but this is countered by their ability to deliver that damage from a distance. So the Crow pilot that keeps their distance tends to live. But if a Crow keeps their distance, they can't web their target, so most Crow pilots tend to close. Since the Crow is slow for an inty, once it gets within its foes web range (assuming its fighting another interceptor), its foe will typically close distance on it. It's the catch-22 of the Crow. Looking at the Ares, it's got two huge advantages when fighting a Crow. You can armor tank it to insane levels, and you can fit a rocket launcher with defenders (I'm assuming the Ares in question has a 2 blaster, rocket launcher, MWD, web and armor tank setup). These two things combined mean that a Crow that keeps its distance will have a very hard time hurting a properly set up Ares, while the faster Ares will be able to escape (if it chooses) at will. From my experience, most Crow pilots will end up closing with a properly set up Ares in order to get around the Ares defenders. Once they've closed, its just a matter of damage over time versus strength of the ship. Crows average something like (if my figures are correct) 45 damage per second for a skilled pilot with a well set up ship (using market modules), while an Ares can do more on the order of 60 per second with a skilled pilot and market modules. Since the well-kitted Ares is also an armor tank, you can see where the fight will end up. Granted, the Ares doesn't have the offensive punch of a Taranis, but it more than makes up for it with its strong defenses. There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense

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