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Ratchman	Posted - 2009.04.20 09:58:00 - [61] Originally by: RedSplat Gallente Militia were heavily into plexing at one point and chestbeated about thier success. Now the tables have turned and suddenly the accomplishment (irrelevance and all) isnt equal to that enabling the **erels of yesteryear? I've been in the Gallente militia since the start of FW, and they have never** given plexing anything more than a cursory acknowledgement, so if there has been any chestbeating, it certainly hasn't been the majority, as the majority didn't care. Also, there is the fact that if both sides have been chestbeating, then at least the Gallente did the plexing 'old skool' and actually did it without resorting to exploiting bugs, which didn't exist at that point. Most of the Caldari preening has been occurring post-Apocrypha, which is when this 'cloak plex' issue came to light, which now casts a shadow over all of their achievements in this area. Hopefully, the Caldari are just as keen to resolve this issue in order to help re-establish their reputation, and prove that they have done this the proper way, rather than exploiting bugs. I'm not saying there isn't anyone doing this on our side, and there probably is, but the boasting is hollow when there is a measure of doubt as to the veracity of it. By the way, I'm not actually anti-Caldari, only anti those who have been doing a lot of gloating recently. It shows a lack of class and grace, and is only antagonistic (much like smack, which is ignored by anyone with any sense). I don't like to see it on my side either, and I will tell people not to rub it in. Those Caldari who bring the fight without smack and without gloating over their enemy's losses are fine by me, and I hope they keep battling.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.04.20 10:47:00 - [62] Originally by: Peter Wheatstraw 3. ( Bonus Item ) Make non-FW pilots who engage in aggression inside a plex go GCC to all FW pilots for 30 days. ( wishful thinking ) I like this idea, and it makes sense. If a pirate attacks a militia member, it should be seen as an offence against the whole militia. Just as an aggressor will go red blinky for a whole fleet when attacked, then a pirate should become a valid war target. It always seemed a little against the grain that pirates are free to attack anyone in lowsec, and yet a pirate that is well-known to the militia cannot be attacked until he aggresses. The downside of this will be that it may add complexity to the rules system that may add to the lag (but as I am not accustomed to the system construction, I cannot say with any authority).
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.04.20 11:14:00 - [63] Cloaky plexing has now been possible for a quite long time and no systems has been conquered by using this method, so it can not be big a problem.
Pride NL The Legendaries	Posted - 2009.04.20 11:57:00 - [64] Funny thing is, NPC's always know where you are and will (slowly) approach you. Even when cloaked. So shooting the npc's is faster and easier then hide & seek. No One Better
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.04.20 12:19:00 - [65] Originally by: Bad Messenger Cloaky plexing has now been possible for a quite long time and no systems has been conquered by using this method, so it can not be big a problem. It is still a problem and it needs fixing along with the standings bug. It would take a CCP employee 30 seconds to post in this thread and declare Cloaked plexing an exploit. If CCP havn't declared it an exploit and havn't fixed it I take it that they are happy with the way it works and maybe I'll see how many plexes I can Cap in my SB. Maybe if we all did it CCP might wake up.
Xenon WarChild	Posted - 2009.05.02 04:42:00 - [66] Hmm seems to be a lot of whining. Caping a plex while cloaked is NOT an exploit. It is a tactic. I'm not playing your version of FW.
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.05.02 09:17:00 - [67] Has this been fixed yet?
Gabriel Darkefyre Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.05.02 12:51:00 - [68] Originally by: Xenon WarChild Hmm seems to be a lot of whining. Caping a plex while cloaked is NOT an exploit. It is a tactic. I'm not playing your version of FW. EVElopedia - Capturing FW Dungeons Just to quote the relevant part, under limitations. Originally by: EVElopedia Being cloaked will not count towards the timer. Therefore, if you're cloaked and the timer is running then the system is not working as intended. And taking advantage of a part of the game that isn't working as intended is an Exploit by Definition. Perhaps you heard of the last time something wasn't working as intended, was taken advantage of as a result and resulted in This? --------------- Image from Crumplecorn's DesuSigs
Sillas Cov Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.03 14:33:00 - [69] Originally by: Ratchman Also, there is the fact that if both sides have been chestbeating, then at least the Gallente did the plexing 'old skool' and actually did it without resorting to exploiting bugs, which didn't exist at that point. Most of the Caldari preening has been occurring post-Apocrypha, which is when this 'cloak plex' issue came to light, which now casts a shadow over all of their achievements in this area. I'm not saying there isn't anyone doing this on our side, and there probably is, but the boasting is hollow when there is a measure of doubt as to the veracity of it. Ratchman Bro I have plexed a for 5 months with the core group of Caldari plexers and this whole cloaked for the plexing win issue is NOT even on our radar of tactics. NOT AT ALL. Period. Your comments create suspicion where none is warranted, and effectively insult the hard work and fun, cool, pvp we have had in the plexes these past months. 99.99% of the Caldari plexes have been taken without this exploit... count on that. Consider that maybe our Chest beating may be motivated by the love of the game...?? and well because we wanted to get more Gals involved out of respect and hope for more pvp?? There is no doubt.... Fac war needs to be fixed by CPP! THAT is the only issue that needs to be given attention. Please seriously think about your posts before you hit send. Onward Sillas
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.05.03 15:49:00 - [70] Originally by: Sillas Cov There is no doubt.... Fac war needs to be fixed by CPP! THAT is the only issue that needs to be given attention. I agree. There is no point spreading senseless rumours and false accusations here. CCP needs to fix this issue ASAP but even though I did everything that I could do by the book, CCP just doesn't seem to care about FW. ---
Xianbei	Posted - 2009.05.04 19:22:00 - [71] Originally by: Sillas Cov this whole cloaked for the plexing win issue is NOT even on our radar of tactics. cough bul1sh1rts cough
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.05.04 20:20:00 - [72] Originally by: Xianbei Originally by: Sillas Cov this whole cloaked for the plexing win issue is NOT even on our radar of tactics. cough bul1sh1rts cough cough agree cough - wcs'd frigs aren't part of their game plan either. ;) Both sides use cloaked frigs, but tbh, the scan probe launcher introduced in Apochrypha + plex re-spawn after dt is the key. You can cover an entire constellation in about 10 minutes with one or two, so plexing efforts have been amplified to just after spawn times. Get your Perv megablob to area of interest right after downtime when Gallente don't have numbers. Romp through systems. Cap plexes. Squids win. Number of re-spawns the rest of the day are considerably less than right after downtime and in fact squids pretty much don't bother with them. They are empty the rest of the day. I've been wandering through Southern Placid during one of the re-spawn times pretty regularly the past week. No squids found anywhere except Bad Messenger and his alt Don Goldspoon afk in Dastryns waiting for the next after downtime re-spawn.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.05.05 00:12:00 - [73] Originally by: Pride NL Funny thing is, NPC's always know where you are and will (slowly) approach you. Even when cloaked. So shooting the npc's is faster and easier then hide & seek. No they don't and no it's not. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.05.05 00:16:00 - [74] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 05/05/2009 00:18:05 Originally by: X Gallentius Number of re-spawns the rest of the day are considerably less than right after downtime and in fact squids pretty much don't bother with them. They are empty the rest of the day. I've been wandering through Southern Placid during one of the re-spawn times pretty regularly the past week. No squids found anywhere except Bad Messenger and his alt Don Goldspoon afk in Dastryns waiting for the next after downtime re-spawn. Same experience here. So I did some plexs cloaked. One of them was in OMS with about 5 WT in system. None paid me a visit. Good thing I have a lot of pot on hand. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.05.11 17:52:00 - [75] Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/05/2009 17:59:52 This cloaked plexing remains a rampant problem, as exploited by Gallente side. I have multiple screenshots now with caldari plexes being captured by Gallente federation with 1 wt in local. Nobody is visible in overview but timer keeps running because a cloaker if near it. Often these people uncloak and warp out when we enter plexes. These people whom I have images of are: Zach Donnel of Ghost-Busters Vtreka of Old Legionnaires Hussain of Shadows of the Federation Cant we do something to these people? GM's answer my petitions by saying "Contact us when you witness it and we come". Well....it would be nice if we could actually get GMs there on moments notice, especially those who answered the petition. As it happens, they are not online or unavailable when this happens. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Val Erian Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia	Posted - 2009.05.11 19:41:00 - [76] Quote: This cloaked plexing remains a rampant problem, as exploited by Gallente side. As usual you somehow miss the Caldari plexers doing this. But tell me. Has CCP declared this an exploit? I havn't heard about it yet. It should be but they have ignored my petitions about it. Yet you claim they answer yours? And stop whining about it ? As your Master says it really hasn't affected anything has it?
Joshamee Gibbs Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.11 19:45:00 - [77] Edited by: Joshamee Gibbs on 11/05/2009 19:46:15 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 17/04/2009 20:27:15 [blahblahblah] 1) NPCs dont want to engage capsuleers unless they have to (CCPs explanation). Then presumably as part of the relevent faction's navy they would be under orders to engage all enemy ships on sight, and a discipline system to deal with those that don't, ect. And if that is the case, why do pirate frigates happily engage my battlecruiser in belts, if navy frigates, surely with better, more reliable ships will not engage a destroyer in a plex? Quote: 2) It takes months to grind the standing back from minus whatever it is after all the promotions you get, so the faction would surely recognize all your hard work. The faction would recognise you as betraying them, which explains why navy rats should shoot at you if you jumped ship from one militia to another. If you're a high-ranking pilot then if you swap sides then you're too much of a valuble 'asset' to simply leave in the hands of the enemy. Quote: 3) Defenders can just sit at the beacon too and don't have to deal with 'invading' spawns (maybe that should be changed). This, however, could be a workable idea to balance things out. EDIT: Although these were posted a while ago the discussion seems to have skipped by them when counter-arguments could have been made.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.05.11 19:55:00 - [78] Originally by: Ratchman Originally by: Peter Wheatstraw 3. ( Bonus Item ) Make non-FW pilots who engage in aggression inside a plex go GCC to all FW pilots for 30 days. ( wishful thinking ) I like this idea, and it makes sense. If a pirate attacks a militia member, it should be seen as an offence against the whole militia. Just as an aggressor will go red blinky for a whole fleet when attacked, then a pirate should become a valid war target. It always seemed a little against the grain that pirates are free to attack anyone in lowsec, and yet a pirate that is well-known to the militia cannot be attacked until he aggresses. The downside of this will be that it may add complexity to the rules system that may add to the lag (but as I am not accustomed to the system construction, I cannot say with any authority). We are already perma-GCC to all of the FW ... what else do you want ?; pop-up paperclips that tell you what pressing F1 will do ? --- I smack just for myself. * Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout
AshenShugar01 Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.05.12 00:57:00 - [79] Damar keep your toys in the cott and read the rest of this thread clearly CCP's silence on the matter is really to blame. I really wonder if they have simply lost interest in giving FW some loving and want to push people to 0.0 when they get disillusioned with it. All it would take is one GM to state whether its an exploit or not and it'd be settled, better yet fix the game mechanic to make it impossible to do, there has been a patch since the issue was raised why was it not fixed if its an exploit?? Then Bad Messengers got it right cloaked plexing hasnt changed the tide for any side in FW. Gallente continue to lose systems due to disinterest and the fact that we are outnumbered almost 2 to one. Also Caldari plexing is well organised, nicely done. If were talking about 'exploits' u dont hear Gallente moaning about some of the squid hi sec tactics... pooling the NPC navy at a ss giving them free reign over the system. Surely thats FW not working as intended? If were naming names how about Mackers UK and about 6 other Caldari I've seen doing it?? anyway, once again ..... Please CCP declare it an exploit or not, let us know what is happening with this... How many Caldari does it take to take a plex? Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots... apparently
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.05.12 01:44:00 - [80] Originally by: AshenShugar01 Damar keep your toys in the cott and read the rest of this thread clearly CCP's silence on the matter is really to blame. I really wonder if they have simply lost interest in giving FW some loving and want to push people to 0.0 when they get disillusioned with it. All it would take is one GM to state whether its an exploit or not and it'd be settled, better yet fix the game mechanic to make it impossible to do, there has been a patch since the issue was raised why was it not fixed if its an exploit?? Then Bad Messengers got it right cloaked plexing hasnt changed the tide for any side in FW. Gallente continue to lose systems due to disinterest and the fact that we are outnumbered almost 2 to one. Also Caldari plexing is well organised, nicely done. Thanks for the tip. If were talking about 'exploits' u dont hear Gallente moaning about some of the squid hi sec tactics... pooling the NPC navy at a ss giving them free reign over the system. Surely thats FW not working as intended? If were naming names how about Mackers UK and about 6 other Caldari I've seen doing it?? anyway, once again ..... Please CCP declare it an exploit or not, let us know what is happening with this...
Pytria Le'Danness Placid Reborn	Posted - 2009.05.12 06:15:00 - [81] Edited by: Pytria Le''Danness on 12/05/2009 06:15:33 Originally by: Damar Rocarion GM's answer my petitions by saying "Contact us when you witness it and we come". Don't count on it. Slow-trekking into L1 plexes with interceptors has been classed as an exploit very fast and they actually moved the gates further away from the site to make it not feasible. They did NOT move the gates to L1 FW missions though, and when I caught a pilot doing it, took screenshots and petitioned it no GM turned up although my petition was answered within the time it took the pilot to enter the plex. And since I sent a reply "Don't bother coming any more now, he fled as soon as he saw me sitting in the mission with my destroyer" the GM answered something like "Ah, great, then I don't have to do anything. Petition closed." There never was a reply to my frustrated "And what if the guy continues to exploit elsewhere?" Corporation RP channel: "PlacidReborn"
Joshamee Gibbs Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.12 12:25:00 - [82] GM's, do your job. you know, the one us eve subscribers expect you to do? At least give us confirmation on whether cloaked plexing is an exploit or not.
Flip Reverse 24th Doom Crusade	Posted - 2009.05.27 13:42:00 - [83] Originally by: Joshamee Gibbs GM's, do your job. you know, the one us eve subscribers expect you to do? At least give us confirmation on whether cloaked plexing is an exploit or not. I'm glad I found this topic, and i agree with Joshamee please let us know. Is this an exploit or not? If it is then please sort out the speed tanking issue too, as it's a little unfair that our plexes can be speed tanked and their's can't.
praznimrak Gallente Level Up	Posted - 2009.05.28 01:42:00 - [84] Hmmm..Let me tell you all one more time.... FW IS FAIL. Thx for listening

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