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Bootius McGee
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Posted - 2009.04.02 13:54:00 -
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I saw something very interesting the other day, while wandering about in lo-sec looking for juicy cosmic anomolies. I ran across a Gallente somethingorother faction warfare complex. I warped in to take a peek out of curiosity, and saw 5 battleships idly going round an icon, and a bar underneath counting down time. There was one other person in the system, a member of the Caldari militia. Now, I have done some inquiry. Had the person left the complex, the timer would have stopped. The timer was running, meaning he was in the complex. He was not visible. It doesn't take a genius to deduce that he was cloaked, safe and protected from the opposition battleships.
Now, much has been made of FW plexing in this forum as to the merits, and the uselesness, meaninglessness, and what not, and I must say, as an outsider, that if one can conquer a complex by sneaking in with a cloaked ship, I must side with those who say it is fail, broken and in desperate need of some overhaul.
Where is the challenge in sitting cloaked, watching a timer? You aren't even fighting the rats. Sorry, but that is really, really lame.
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Mistress Jeanette
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Posted - 2009.04.02 14:08:00 -
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yeah if that is indeed what was happening...supreme lameness.
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.04.02 14:23:00 -
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I've tested this and you are now able to plex CLOAKED /o\. Bug report has been submitted. And I'm sure it is not just the Caldari who are doing this.
Oh the joys of plexing.. LOL
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.04.02 14:36:00 -
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For this and over 9000 other reasons, thats why I've taken my lot out of FW. Epic fail is epic
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.04.02 14:45:00 -
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I hope all cloak bug abusers get some sort of ingame aids or have it already.
 Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Squidly
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Posted - 2009.04.02 14:52:00 -
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This is not news because the faction warfare representative CSM ankhesentapemkah before she left the Gallente Militia for the Caldari in a fit of pouting proclaimed it as known by CCP as a valid tactic along with her method of plexing that was even more brazen like sitting in the plex in full view immune to the enemy npc by virtue of standing so doing doing enemy plexes without killing the rats and not even cloaked is the ultimate fail as I can see it and this is a person who represents us to ccp so no wonder fw is such fail
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.04.02 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Squidly
This is not news because the faction warfare representative CSM ankhesentapemkah before she left the Gallente Militia for the Caldari in a fit of pouting proclaimed it as known by CCP as a valid tactic along with her method of plexing that was even more brazen like sitting in the plex in full view immune to the enemy npc by virtue of standing so doing doing enemy plexes without killing the rats and not even cloaked is the ultimate fail as I can see it and this is a person who represents us to ccp so no wonder fw is such fail
I find this truly shocking. As a veteran Gallente plexer (yes, they exist) I would never resort to such extremely lame tactics.
I do often run as my long range fitted dessie is not very well suited for PVP, but if a frigate enters my plex without an MWD I'll try to take him out. And sometimes they take me out because I linger a bit too long 
What is this crazy thing that the NPCs won't shoot you if you have high standings ? I don't get that at all.
I'm regretting my vote for ankhesentapemkah now.
Plexing cloaked  FOR SHAME !!! 
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.04.02 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre
I'm regretting my vote for ankhesentapemkah now.
Plexing cloaked FOR SHAME !!!
You are now at least one degree of significance less of an idiot than you were for voting Ankhejsfn onto the CSM in the first place. 
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.02 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 02/04/2009 15:47:00
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
I've tested this and you are now able to plex CLOAKED /o\. Bug report has been submitted. And I'm sure it is not just the Caldari who are doing this.
Oh the joys of plexing.. LOL
Yep I found this out over a week ago, bugreported it and kept it quiet otherwise. But now the word is out.
Originally by: Squidly
This is not news because the faction warfare representative CSM ankhesentapemkah before she left the Gallente Militia for the Caldari in a fit of pouting proclaimed it as known by CCP as a valid tactic along with her method of plexing that was even more brazen like sitting in the plex in full view immune to the enemy npc by virtue of standing so doing doing enemy plexes without killing the rats and not even cloaked is the ultimate fail as I can see it and this is a person who represents us to ccp so no wonder fw is such fail
Bull, I have never made use of the cloaking bug nor told anyone but CCP of it's existence.
Standings are a different matter and are working as intended.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.04.02 16:04:00 -
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There is a bug allowing cloaked ships to keep a timer running, has been there since Apo was released, reported and acknowledged as far as I know.
A separate bug which has been "live" since FW was introduced is the timer running after a warp-out. Not easily reproducible and intermittent at best, also reported and acknowledged but CCP has no idea what causes it so are probably hoping it automagically vanishes on its own 
Most everything about plexing is bugged and/or pointless when you get right down to it, they make great battleground type areas so it is all good if you ask me 
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.02 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
A separate bug which has been "live" since FW was introduced is the timer running after a warp-out. Not easily reproducible and intermittent at best, also reported and acknowledged but CCP has no idea what causes it so are probably hoping it automagically vanishes on its own
Yes that one is annoying too, if you have to warp out because of pirates and come back to find the plex has already completed.
Or how about the bug that it keeps stuck in capturing but doesn't capture. 
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:37:00 -
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OPs story isn't very clear, that 5 battleships, are you sure that not even one of them was from the caldari or gallente militia (or a corp that was in the militia) ? Even if that was a gallente system and they were gallente, you'd see the timer running (backwards this time).
If it really is possible to cloak-capture, this must be a bug. I expect CCP to fix this ASAP and punish the bug-abusers with a demotion in rank. CCP should act fast, anything else is a lack of professionalism.
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Murashu
Agony's End
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:31:00 -
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I saw another strange bug this week with the plex timers. I warped into a medium Caldari plex in my hound and locked onto the Caldari Ishkur pilot sitting on the button. He warped away with his drones still out, although I was still 90k away lol. The timer continued to tick down as if he was still at the button so I popped each one of his drones. As the last one died the timer stopped ticking. So although he was no longer in the plex it was recognizing his drones as him being there.
I think capturing a complex while cloaked is more fair than hiding behind NPC faction standings. Atleast being cloaked 10k from the beacon there is a chance to be bumped and uncloaked so that the NPCs will defend thier beacon. Sitting in the middle of enemy NPCs that will not engage you due to faction standings offers zero risk and needs to change. T1 frigates capturing enemy major complexes solo is just wrong IMO.
Murashu
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Val Erian
Gallente
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Val Erian on 02/04/2009 19:52:00
Yes, Unfortunetly this BUG has appreared since the last patch .It has been reported by numerous people and petitioned.
Under certain conditions the timer will keep running while cloaked.
THIS HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF FW. IT IS A CLOAKING BUG SINCE THE LAST UPDATE.
I put that in capital letters for the usual trolls about plexing so its clear it is a recent bug.
CCP needs to wake up and fix this or declare it an exploit ASAP>
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Zanco Ceal
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:57:00 -
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WOW - covert opps here i come
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Molly Milli0ns
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Posted - 2009.04.02 21:38:00 -
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But wouldn't fixing this actually require CCP to alter some FW-related code? I hear there's laws against that. Otherwise it would have happened already, rite?
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.02 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Murashu
T1 frigates capturing enemy major complexes solo is just wrong IMO.
Alledgedly, T1 crapfit frigates can already speedtank the Amarr major plexes and possibly the Gallente ones as well.
And any frigate can defend a complex of any size and gets more standing for it than an attacker does.
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Xia Kairui
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Posted - 2009.04.03 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Murashu
T1 frigates capturing enemy major complexes solo is just wrong IMO.
Alledgedly, T1 crapfit frigates can already speedtank the Amarr major plexes and possibly the Gallente ones as well.
Yepp, I've seen that in Agoze a while ago. So basically a frigate orbitting sites without ever firing a shot can take over a whole star system. Some kind of military, eh?
IMO FW needs to be trashed and overhauled. But that would mean CCP has to admit they made mistakes and the players were right.
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Dictum Factum
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.04.03 08:39:00 -
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I am beginning to understand the plexing "success" of the opposition.
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Unbound
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Posted - 2009.04.03 10:45:00 -
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Don't really see how this is any different than speedtanking a plex...
did plenty of big plexes in my AF with an AB... 800m/sec at 25km from the dot... nothing would hit me, and on the rare occasion my trajectory would put me in the line of fire, one or two hits didn't kill me... plenty of time to rep before next hit...
easiest thing I have ever done in EvE...
Of course it helps when there are no players around to mess it up :)
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Murashu
Agony's End
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Posted - 2009.04.03 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Alledgedly, T1 crapfit frigates can already speedtank the Amarr major plexes and possibly the Gallente ones as well. Quote:
Yep, I chuckle everytime I see a thread from the Caldari militia patting themselves on the back for "winning" FW.
Murashu
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.04.03 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Murashu
Yep, I chuckle everytime I see a thread from the Caldari militia patting themselves on the back for "winning" FW.
Just as the Caldari Militia chuckle everytime they consistently beat you at the farce of plexing and on the field of battle?
Galente Militia were heavily into plexing at one point and chestbeated about thier success. Now the tables have turned and suddenly the accomplishment (irrelevance and all) isnt eual to that enabling the ****rells of yesteryear?
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.04.03 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Murashu
Yep, I chuckle everytime I see a thread from the Caldari militia patting themselves on the back for "winning" FW.
Just as the Caldari Militia chuckle everytime they consistently beat you at the farce of plexing and on the field of battle?
Galente Militia were heavily into plexing at one point and chestbeated about thier success. Now the tables have turned and suddenly the accomplishment (irrelevance and all) isnt eual to that enabling the ****erels of yesteryear?
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.04.03 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Murashu
Yep, I chuckle everytime I see a thread from the Caldari militia patting themselves on the back for "winning" FW.
Just as the Caldari Militia chuckle everytime they consistently beat you at the farce of plexing and on the field of battle?
Galente Militia were heavily into plexing at one point and chestbeated about thier success. Now the tables have turned and suddenly the accomplishment (irrelevance and all) isnt equal to that enabling the ****erels of yesteryear?
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat
Originally by: Murashu
Yep, I chuckle everytime I see a thread from the Caldari militia patting themselves on the back for "winning" FW.
Just as the Caldari Militia chuckle everytime they consistently beat you at the farce of plexing and on the field of battle?
Galente Militia were heavily into plexing at one point and chestbeated about thier success. Now the tables have turned and suddenly the accomplishment (irrelevance and all) isnt equal to that enabling the ****erels of yesteryear?
Wasn't that just FOOM, and then they left FW?
Also, posting once is enough :)
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Murashu
Agony's End
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat
Galente Militia were heavily into plexing at one point and chestbeated about thier success. Now the tables have turned and suddenly the accomplishment (irrelevance and all) isnt equal to that enabling the ****erels of yesteryear?
Sorry must have been before my time in FW. I'm just referring to the last few weeks that I have been here. If some Gallente Corp was doing that "yesteryear" as you refer to it, then I have negative knowledge of it.
Murashu
Agony's End |
AshenShugar01
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.04.08 11:19:00 -
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Like Val said CCP needs to make a decision about this. Its lame yes, boring certainly but it does work. I've done it, I do it, I've seen no less then 5 Caldari doing it... infact it was one of them taking 3 plexes off me cloaked that taught me how it was done. If its a new game mechanic of some sort... well, i dont know what to think about that. Will it bring more people out plexing, I guess it will, but will it make it more meaningful? I doubt it... not that plexing is meaningful anyway.
Please CCP declare it an exploit or not, let us know what is happening with this...
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.04.08 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: TraininVain on 08/04/2009 12:04:51
Confirming Gallente militia pilots have been abusing this.
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Selous
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.04.08 12:33:00 -
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This was done to me last night.
I was capturing a major plex.
squid buzzard warps in and cloaks up b4 i get close enough to target it.
Countdown timer changes to `contested`.
Complex becomes uncappable by me/gallente.
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.04.08 14:09:00 -
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Some nights back I was listening to dark rising ts how one of them bragged about doing this for a week now. He seemed to be pretty proud. Just saying.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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