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Meshweaver
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:26:00 -
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Wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave of battleships, each battleship taking about 10 mins to destroy. What's the point of making people spend 4 hours on mind numbing, boring, boring meaningless tasks?
Make the damn things shorter, CCP.
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Gonada
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:28:00 -
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or, for a lark, you could improve your skills?
10 mins for 1 bs......... fail
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:30:00 -
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Sure, but then they'll cut down on the rewards as well so in the end, you'll have to spend the same amount of mind-numbing, boring, repetetive mission grinding to make the same amount of cash…
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Meshweaver
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:32:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: Gonada
or, for a lark, you could improve your skills?
10 mins for 1 bs......... fail
Great idea. I'll magically improve my skills. Good thinking.
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Another Liberthas
Caldari
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Another Liberthas on 05/04/2009 16:34:40
Originally by: Gonada
or, for a lark, you could improve your skills?
10 mins for 1 bs......... fail
This, really.
How on earth is it taking 10 minutes?
EDIT: That magical skill improvement is called "training". It takes what we in the trade call "time", and it's what you need a lot of in EVE.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:34:00 -
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You're doing it wrong. I'm not sure your skills even can be so bad it takes 10mins to kill a mission battleship. Unless you fly a frigate or something with horribly low DPS.
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Ariel Demon
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:34:00 -
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tip:
ballistic controls
failing that:
stop using a drake, get a battleship.
failing that:
team up with someone who can do more than 200dps while you tank.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:36:00 -
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When a BS falls easily in 10 volies max, with decent skills. how the F*** are your guns taking one minute per volley.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
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Female Miner
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
When a BS falls easily in 10 volies max, with decent skills. how the F*** are your guns taking one minute per volley.
Motsu? Dodixie? do they get that bad on the weekend perhaps?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Meshweaver
What's the point of making people spend 4 hours on mind numbing, boring, boring meaningless tasks?
Uh, dunno, how about the people that only take 40 minutes for a LONG L4 mission ?
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Meshweaver
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Demon
tip:
ballistic controls
failing that:
stop using a drake, get a battleship.
failing that:
team up with someone who can do more than 200dps while you tank.
How you know I fly a drake?
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Female Miner
Originally by: Blane Xero
When a BS falls easily in 10 volies max, with decent skills. how the F*** are your guns taking one minute per volley.
Motsu? Dodixie? do they get that bad on the weekend perhaps?
Ehhh. I've missioned in Jita (back when 600 people lagged it to hell) and never had response times that bad.
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Clueless Alt
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Meshweaver
How you know I fly a drake?
lol. Here is your problem.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 05/04/2009 16:43:07
Originally by: Meshweaver
How you know I fly a drake?
He didn't, he just guessed.
But now we all KNOW you're either clueless OR a rather good troll.
P.S. I can push out roughly 500 (mostly kinetic) raw DPS out of my Drake at a decent range. How much can you ?
Also, I fly a Nighthawk nowadays. Even more DPS. But I still have my old Drake.
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The problem with EVE || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Meshweaver
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 05/04/2009 16:43:07
Originally by: Meshweaver
How you know I fly a drake?
He didn't, he just guessed.
But now we all KNOW you're either clueless OR a rather good troll.
clueless.
P.S. I can push out roughly 500 (mostly kinetic) raw DPS out of my Drake at a decent range. How much can you ?
Also, I fly a Nighthawk nowadays. Even more DPS. But I still have my old Drake.
on eft it comes out at 144.
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FarosWarrior
Amarr
Sonnema
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:49:00 -
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get in a raven already...
cheers, Faros
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Hroya
Gallente
TerraNovae
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Meshweaver
Wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave of battleships, each battleship taking about 10 mins to destroy. What's the point of making people spend 4 hours on mind numbing, boring, boring meaningless tasks?
Make the damn things shorter, CCP.
Who made you do those mind numbing, boring, boring meaningless tasks ?
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.05 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Meshweaver
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 05/04/2009 16:43:07
Originally by: Meshweaver
How you know I fly a drake?
He didn't, he just guessed.
But now we all KNOW you're either clueless OR a rather good troll.
clueless.
P.S. I can push out roughly 500 (mostly kinetic) raw DPS out of my Drake at a decent range. How much can you ?
Also, I fly a Nighthawk nowadays. Even more DPS. But I still have my old Drake.
on eft it comes out at 144.
Your skills suck then. My alt in a nighthawk takes less than a minute to down most battleships. This is from Sansha, to Angels, to Gurista, to Serpentis.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
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Ariel Demon
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ariel Demon on 05/04/2009 17:13:56
Well, the reason its taking you so long is really that you're not putting out enough damage. I reiterate: use ballistic control systems to up your damage significantly, or just use a BS, that will tank well enough while easily putting out twice the DPS you are now.
Your problem is that you aren't beating NPC tanks by enough to wear them down.
Say you're doing 140 damage to an NPC bs with a 100dps tank. now take someone doing 180DPS to the same enemy: he'll down it twice as fast; 220 dps? 3x as fast as you're going at the moment,
A decent marauder at 800 DPS will take maybe 30 seconds to down the toughest NPC BS, at that point you're just wishing there were situations that presented you with them at a faster rate than lvl4 missions to grind your way through the isk being thrown at you. Can't think of any mission that takes more than 45 mins at that point except due to long travel times (I'm looking at you WC).
P.S.: I guessed you were flying a drake because it was the only ship I could think of which would let a pilot of low skill and inventiveness survive a LVL4 at all, while fitting the rest of the criteria you presented i.e. low damage output.
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H0RZA
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:09:00 -
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CCP aren't 'making you spend' 4 hours running L4s with insufficient skill points. You're choosing to do that yourself. Fly missions that best suit your current skill points.
Being able to access L4s doesn't automatically make them worthwhile. You'll make far more isk blitzing good quality L3s than you will taking 10 mins per battleship. In the mean time, train the skills you need to make a L4 work for you, just like everyone other mission runner does.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 05/04/2009 17:12:55
Originally by: Meshweaver
Originally by: Akita T
[...]roughly 500 (mostly kinetic) raw DPS out of my Drake at a decent range[...]
on eft it comes out at 144.
Oh... I'm sorry, did I say 500 DPS ? I was wrong.
It's 573 DPS (click me) at 70 km.
So... yeah. Your skills/fit suck.
P.S. That 840 defence rating is against typical Guristas incoming damage, switch hardeners as necessary.
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The problem with EVE || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:12:00 -
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lrn2raven
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
Just donæt forget the reach-around.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
lrn2raven
boring
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:29:00 -
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No, eh does not need a damn raven, Drake does just fine (and it takes out cruisers/frigates faster and cheaper). Get proper skills or don't cry.
You'r not suppoed to solo L4s with few SP, blitz L3 as someone suggested. What's wrong with some people?!
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Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
or, for a lark, you could improve your skills?
10 mins for 1 bs......... fail
QFT.
10 Minutes per BS? What is this? Train your character and you will be better. Do not come to the forums and complain because you are inept at doing something.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:34:00 -
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Just run L3 missions while you raise the proper skills.
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The problem with EVE || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:34:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Gonada
or, for a lark, you could improve your skills?
10 mins for 1 bs......... fail
QFT.
10 Minutes per BS? What is this? Train your character and you will be better. Do not come to the forums and complain because you are inept at doing something.
the skill gap between new guys and jinx is too big.
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Meshweaver
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:35:00 -
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This shows that it is not possible to be competative with a low-sp char.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Just run L3 missions while you raise the proper skills.
do you ****ign realise how big the skill trainings are?, you need a reality check i think.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 05/04/2009 17:39:44
Originally by: Meshweaver
This shows that it is not possible to be competitive with a low-sp char.
This is nothing to do with being competitive. Everyone starts from ground floor. And after so long, everyone will have similar SP in certain areas. Skills onl;y go up to 5, and beyond that the "High SP Chars" have to spec into either something else completely or just spend time training things they might try at some point down the line.
EDIT: Also, you are not trying to compete with anyone, you are trying to bite off more than you can chew.
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:39:00 -
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This is what happens when no0bs train straight up for a battleship and have no concept of the meaning of 'support skills'
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ShadowMaiden
Amarr
Divine Radiance
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:40:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Meshweaver
Wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave of battleships, each battleship taking about 10 mins to destroy. What's the point of making people spend 4 hours on mind numbing, boring, boring meaningless tasks?
Make the damn things shorter, CCP.
4 hours...lolwat?
You could always try the common sense approach and do the mission with a friend*
This though, would involve something known as "teamwork", a radical concept I know, but it may catch on.
* an alt is fine too
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:43:00 -
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@OP. Coming to the forums when you have problems is the smart thing to do. Just ask your questions and seek advice from people who know more then you. The worst thing that can happen is you get trolled a little and the answers you get might not be the ones you want to hear.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hixxy
do you ****ign realise how big the skill trainings are?, you need a reality check i think.
He might not get to THAT point I listed above too fast, but he can increase his skills to pretty damned close in a relatively short while.
Weapon Upgrades 4, Battlecruisers 4, Heavy Missiles 5, Heavy Missile Spec 3, Rapid Launch 4, Missile Launcher Operation 5, Warhead Upgrades 3-4, Combat Drone Operation 4, Drone Interfacing 3-4, Scout Drone Operation 5, <racial> drone specialisation 2-3, Electronics 5, Engineering 5, Shield/Energy systems operation/management to 4, maybe operations to 5.
That's all he REALLY needs, and it should take like what, 2 months tops ? If not less ?
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The problem with EVE || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:47:00 -
[35]
he? ahh your the establishment.
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Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hixxy
the skill gap between new guys and jinx is too big.
Not really, any noob can be as good as me with interceptors in less then 2 months. In 9 Months they can be as good as me with a particular BS. And so forth, and so on.
If you do not see that, then it is obvious you are working very hard at being blind.
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ShadowMaiden
Amarr
Divine Radiance
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:49:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Meshweaver
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 05/04/2009 16:43:07
Originally by: Meshweaver
How you know I fly a drake?
He didn't, he just guessed.
But now we all KNOW you're either clueless OR a rather good troll.
clueless.
P.S. I can push out roughly 500 (mostly kinetic) raw DPS out of my Drake at a decent range. How much can you ?
Also, I fly a Nighthawk nowadays. Even more DPS. But I still have my old Drake.
on eft it comes out at 144.
EFT - the official EvE client
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:50:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 17:50:37
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Hixxy
the skill gap between new guys and jinx is too big.
Not really, any noob can be as good as me with interceptors in less then 2 months. In 9 Months they can be as good as me with a particular BS. And so forth, and so on.
If you do not see that, then it is obvious you are working very hard at being blind.
read it again, in wow i can be geared up if my name was whisp or something in a matter of days. er*
grrr grr grr
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:50:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Hixxy
he? ahh your the establishment.
So, what, 2 months is way too long now for the BEST source of highsec income (and one of the best and safest sources of income in the entire game) ?
In a game where the AVERAGE lifespan of a character is over 9 months long, and that considering the subscriber base keeps increasing (and obviously, new players start at age zero, lowering the average lifespan) ?
Seriously ?
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The problem with EVE || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:52:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Hixxy
he? ahh your the establishment.
So, what, 2 months is way too long now for the BEST source of highsec income (and one of the best and safest sources of income in the entire game) ?
In a game where the AVERAGE lifespan of a character is over 9 months long, and that considering the subscriber base keeps increasing (and obviously, new players start at age zero, lowering the average lifespan) ?
Seriously ?
lols ok you win.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:53:00 -
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This is either a troll, or these nubkins need to visit one of my "happy camps."
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:54:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Hixxy
Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 17:50:37
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Hixxy
the skill gap between new guys and jinx is too big.
Not really, any noob can be as good as me with interceptors in less then 2 months. In 9 Months they can be as good as me with a particular BS. And so forth, and so on.
If you do not see that, then it is obvious you are working very hard at being blind.
read it again, in wow i can be geared up if my name was whisp or something in a matter of days. er*
grrr grr grr
THEN GO BACK TO WORLD OF WARCRAFT
Eve is NOT an instant gratification game. Eve ha much more depth, and no endgame (So to speak) compared with the boring ass grind to level 80 and then constant rinse-repeat PvP battlegrounds/Instances that WoW calls fun.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 17:55:00 -
[43]
lols
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:01:00 -
[44]
Dumb is this thread!
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:02:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Hixxy
Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 17:50:37
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Hixxy
the skill gap between new guys and jinx is too big.
Not really, any noob can be as good as me with interceptors in less then 2 months. In 9 Months they can be as good as me with a particular BS. And so forth, and so on.
If you do not see that, then it is obvious you are working very hard at being blind.
read it again, in wow i can be geared up if my name was whisp or something in a matter of days. er*
grrr grr grr
THEN GO BACK TO WORLD OF WARCRAFT
Eve is NOT an instant gratification game. Eve ha much more depth, and no endgame (So to speak) compared with the boring ass grind to level 80 and then constant rinse-repeat PvP battlegrounds/Instances that WoW calls fun.
you not knowing forgives you?
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:03:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 18:03:59
Originally by: AkRoYeR
Dumb is this thread!
edit ,wtf is my lightsaber:P
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Jericho thePure
Amarr
The 13th Armored Headhunters
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:09:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Meshweaver
How you know I fly a drake?
Your doing it wrong. Seriously don't ever post on the forums again.
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:11:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Meshweaver
This shows that it is not possible to be competative with a low-sp char.
Who said you're supposed to be competitive with a low-SP character? Why would we even have SP if everyone is supposed to be at the same level regardless of training? That makes no sense.
I vote troll.
Oh, and I also have a Drake that does over 630+ DPS, so it's possible as Akita mentioned.
Apto Quod Ususfructus |
Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:15:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Dracthera
Originally by: Meshweaver
This shows that it is not possible to be competative with a low-sp char.
Who said you're supposed to be competitive with a low-SP character? Why would we even have SP if everyone is supposed to be at the same level regardless of training? That makes no sense.
I vote troll.
Oh, and I also have a Drake that does over 630+ DPS, so it's possible as Akita mentioned.
akita is ccp or close to it. so no credibility.
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Another Liberthas
Caldari
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:16:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Hixxy
akita is ccp or close to it. so no credibility.
Ahahahahahahaha.
Ahahaha.
Ahah.
Ha.
You're FUNNY.
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:17:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Hixxy
akita is ccp or close to it. so no credibility.
Not sure what that means. What are you saying?
Apto Quod Ususfructus |
Another Liberthas
Caldari
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:18:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Dracthera
Not sure what that means. What are you saying?
Akita quite obviously works for CCP, I mean, how else is it possible to get a drake with good DPS? 
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:18:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 18:21:22
Originally by: Another Liberthas
Originally by: Dracthera
Not sure what that means. What are you saying?
Akita quite obviously works for CCP, I mean, how else is it possible to get a drake with good DPS?
editing this because some ******* mod seems to think it's funny to post in my name
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:18:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Hixxy
no credibility.
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:22:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Another Liberthas
Akita quite obviously works for CCP, I mean, how else is it possible to get a drake with good DPS?
LOL I see now. But wouldn't Akita have to be working for EFT since it's EFT that's showing all that DPS? And whom do I work for if my Drake DPS is higher than Akita's?
Apto Quod Ususfructus |
Another Liberthas
Caldari
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:24:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Another Liberthas on 05/04/2009 18:24:12
Originally by: Dracthera
LOL I see now. But wouldn't Akita have to be working for EFT since it's EFT that's showing all that DPS? And whom do I work for if my Drake DPS is higher than Akita's?
You must be running the secret corporation that controls the entire world 
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:25:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Another Liberthas
Edited by: Another Liberthas on 05/04/2009 18:24:12
Originally by: Dracthera
LOL I see now. But wouldn't Akita have to be working for EFT since it's EFT that's showing all that DPS? And whom do I work for if my Drake DPS is higher than Akita's?
You must be running the secret corporation that controls the entire world
Sweet! So THAT's where all that money comes from when it shows up in my checking account every three days... Guess I need to buy more hookers then!
Apto Quod Ususfructus |
Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:26:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 18:26:26
Originally by: Another Liberthas
Edited by: Another Liberthas on 05/04/2009 18:24:12
Originally by: Dracthera
LOL I see now. But wouldn't Akita have to be working for EFT since it's EFT that's showing all that DPS? And whom do I work for if my Drake DPS is higher than Akita's?
You must be running the secret corporation that controls the entire world
you are the average american and deserve all thats comming to you:P
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:26:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Hixxy
no credibility.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:31:00 -
[60]
i know this sounds like a smart ass answer but it's really not, but stop using missile boats. i absolutely agree with your statement, but only if a raven or a drake is what you're talking about. they DO make the missions seem dreadfully slow, but they are a relatively "safe" ship to do missions in, especially at higher levels of skill training.
"better" doesn't come without two things in this game, skill-training and isk. and there's also trade-offs for doing things one way over another. try training up to fly a laser boat in missions and you'll have a lot more fun melting ships, but you'll run into proverbial brick walls when dealing with certain NPC types because you can't pick your damage.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:31:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Hixxy
no credibility.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:32:00 -
[62]
Um, I don't think you get how that works.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:36:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 18:37:32
Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 18:37:01
Originally by: Malcanis
Um, I don't think you get how that works.
read back through the thread and you might get a freaking clue. unless words are put into my mouth and posts edited again ofc.
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Derus Grobb
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:39:00 -
[64]
OP cannot be for real
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JordanParey
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:44:00 -
[65]
Edited by: JordanParey on 05/04/2009 18:44:24
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Hixxy
no credibility.
also,
Originally by: hixxy
4 hours
Originally by: hixxy
ten minutes to kill a battleship
I have a feeling you eat paste and ride a short bus.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:48:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Hixxy
Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 18:37:32
Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 18:37:01
Originally by: Malcanis
Um, I don't think you get how that works.
read back through the thread and you might get a freaking clue. unless words are put into my mouth and posts edited again ofc.
Was it the jewish banking conspiracy or the Skull & Bones New World Order?
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:06:00 -
[67]
Level 4 missions are supposed to be played in a small fleet. Try it, they take very little time, you earn more / hour, and have more fun. Eve is a MULTIplayer game. 
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:08:00 -
[68]
I agree that level four missions take too long, but if you're really taking that long, you're doing something horribly wrong. You need to work on your skills and maybe your ship fittings.
If you expect to be able to jump in and race straight to high-end content within a week then, as someone else in this thread has said, GB2WoW.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:10:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Hariya
Level 4 missions are supposed to be played in a small fleet. Try it, they take very little time, you earn more / hour, and have more fun. Eve is a MULTIplayer game.
lol they are?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:12:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Dracthera
Originally by: Another Liberthas
Akita quite obviously works for CCP, I mean, how else is it possible to get a drake with good DPS?
LOL I see now. But wouldn't Akita have to be working for EFT since it's EFT that's showing all that DPS? And whom do I work for if my Drake DPS is higher than Akita's?
You'd be working for CCCP 
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The problem with EVE || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:15:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Dracthera
Originally by: Another Liberthas
Akita quite obviously works for CCP, I mean, how else is it possible to get a drake with good DPS?
LOL I see now. But wouldn't Akita have to be working for EFT since it's EFT that's showing all that DPS? And whom do I work for if my Drake DPS is higher than Akita's?
You'd be working for CCCP
he and she. how the fu*& whould you know the difference
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Connen
Gallente
4 wing
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:15:00 -
[72]
I created a 3 month old Raven pilot, who can do level 4's with a little bit of warping in out /afterburner use.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:26:00 -
[73]
If I'd be working for CCP, do you think I would post anything like this ? AND get away with it ?
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The problem with EVE || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Another Liberthas
Caldari
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:29:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Hixxy
he and she. how the fu*& whould you know the difference
What does that even mean?
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:33:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Akita T
If I'd be working for CCP, do you think I would post anything like this ? AND get away with it ?
working for or not you have close ties to ccp. don't really care. bit like the tech 2 blueprint thingy that one and more of the devs were involved in, don't care not bothered. though i did withdraw my subscription for about 2 years.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:36:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Another Liberthas
Originally by: Hixxy
he and she. how the fu*& whould you know the difference
What does that even mean?
on a side note we need a block feature for the forums :P
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Keorythe
Caldari
Terra Rosa Militia
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.04.05 20:15:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Meshweaver
Wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave of ISK, each MOBILE ISK DISPENSER taking about 1 MIN to ACCUMULATE. What's the point of making people spend 15 MIN on MONEY ACCUMALATING AND WEALTH GENERATING tasks?quote]
Fixed for ya.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.05 21:41:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Hixxy
on a side note we need a block feature for the forums
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar
Shadow Reapers
DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2009.04.05 22:28:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Hixxy
Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 19:44:15
Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 19:42:53
Originally by: Akita T
If I'd be working for CCP, do you think I would post anything like this ? AND get away with it ?
working for or not you have close ties to ccp. don't really care. bit like the tech 2 blueprint thingy that one and more of the devs were involved in, don't care not bothered. though i did withdraw my subscription for about 2 years.
edit: ahh i get where your from now, good guess anyway. can i get free epics too?
Wow, a tinfoil hat convention rolled into a single individual. I stand amazed.
People here will support CCP on some issues, while opposing their choices in other areas... this does not indicate any kind of covert affiliation.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.04.05 22:37:00 -
[80]
Get a Dominix, do them AFK.
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Ikserak tai
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Posted - 2009.04.06 16:19:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Meshweaver
Originally by: Ariel Demon
tip:
ballistic controls
failing that:
stop using a drake, get a battleship.
failing that:
team up with someone who can do more than 200dps while you tank.
How you know I fly a drake?
Stop!Yer killin' meI can't stand itPleeeeeese!
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Sweaty Minge
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Posted - 2009.04.06 16:26:00 -
[82]
Just use 4 chars, they go pretty fast that way.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2009.04.06 16:28:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Hariya
Level 4 missions are supposed to be played in a small fleet. Try it, they take very little time, you earn more / hour, and have more fun. Eve is a MULTIplayer game.
That's a croc. If you can't solo a Level IV go back to III's while you train up decent skills. I can see where some complexes are designed for small fleets, and W-Space for sure, but Level IV's? Gimme a break.
Level IV's are what you do to earn Isk until you get your buddies together for some serious pew-pew. I wouldn't waste another player's time asking him/her to do missions with me. Unless they're a complete noob and don't know an Ibis from a Megathron.
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari
Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.04.06 16:37:00 -
[84]
problem lies in you not the mission, a good skilled and fitted mission runner will kill a bs every 20-25 seconds.
personally i would love for the bs's to be double as strong or double the amount of them.
make lvl 3's if your not skilled enough for lvl 4's or lack the equipment for them
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.04.06 16:40:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Traidor Disloyal on 06/04/2009 16:41:06
Originally by: Meshweaver
Wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave of battleships, each battleship taking about 10 mins to destroy. What's the point of making people spend 4 hours on mind numbing, boring, boring meaningless tasks?
Make the damn things shorter, CCP.
1. read a book
2. watch TV
3. download ****
4. talk to your pet (dog, cat, rabbit, gerbil, whatever)
5. mow the lawn if it's a nice day
6. do homework
7. improve yourself in some way so you do better a work
8. Are you just playing with us?
9. post with your main
10. you live in a basement
11. you live in your Dads basement cause your Mom rents hers out
12. I like ice cream
13. and pie
14. with maybe some cake after
15. and always remember to post after just reading the OP and no other
Need I go on?
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Rathelm
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Posted - 2009.04.06 16:44:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Gonada
or, for a lark, you could improve your skills?
10 mins for 1 bs......... fail
QFT.
10 Minutes per BS? What is this? Train your character and you will be better. Do not come to the forums and complain because you are inept at doing something.
I trained all the social skills because I'm a social butterfly. amidoin it rite?!?
*Post is for laughs. :)
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari
Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.04.06 16:51:00 -
[87]
Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 06/04/2009 16:54:12
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Hixxy
do you ****ign realise how big the skill trainings are?, you need a reality check i think.
He might not get to THAT point I listed above too fast, but he can increase his skills to pretty damned close in a relatively short while.
Weapon Upgrades 4, Battlecruisers 4, Heavy Missiles 5, Heavy Missile Spec 3, Rapid Launch 4, Missile Launcher Operation 5, Warhead Upgrades 3-4, Combat Drone Operation 4, Drone Interfacing 3-4, Scout Drone Operation 5, <racial> drone specialisation 2-3, Electronics 5, Engineering 5, Shield/Energy systems operation/management to 4, maybe operations to 5.
That's all he REALLY needs, and it should take like what, 2 months tops ? If not less ?
heavy missiles is for lvl 2,3 missions not lvl 4, lvl 4 is bs weaponry that is needed.
it's like complaining lvl 3 missions take too long because you are using a t1 frig to do them..
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.06 17:01:00 -
[88]
What the hell did I just /stroll into?
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.04.06 17:15:00 -
[89]
This is totally off track here but I just looked how long it would take to train a new character for the type of ship mission running character fly for level 4's with the equipment I have on it:
165 days (with 8 of those days for learning skills)
I thought I would share. I am a sharing person. No, you can not have my stuff.
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.04.06 17:18:00 -
[90]
Edited by: VoiceInTheDesert on 06/04/2009 17:18:26
If the OP thinks that lvl 4s are long, I should send him into The Maze the next time I find it. Not only is it long as all hell, but there's no good payout half the time.
Short answer: you're making the most isk/per hour in virtually no risk space, stop whining.
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.04.06 17:18:00 -
[91]
4 hours = you fail it.
you should be able to do most in 30 min.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2009.04.06 17:27:00 -
[92]
Stealth bombers will be interesting ships when the Singularity changes hit Tranquility...
I dropped a blood raider battleship in roughly 2-3 minutes with a nemesis and T1 ammo out of T2 launchers with all too many skills at L4. Maybe one BCU and no painters.
Gotta say, running L4s with a drake, a few stealth bombers, and perhaps an ishkur or two will be totally awesome in the future...
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Tyrantus
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.04.06 17:32:00 -
[93]
Wow.. Op is Trollerific! 
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2009.04.06 17:35:00 -
[94]
Funny thing is, very recently, just for kicks, I've been recording the times and isk/hour ratio of the missions I get from my agent(level 4). So far there are only two missions I've come across that round to an hour. Most other ones average between 10 minutes and 30 minutes. Funny thing is, some of those 10 minute missions make out a good isk/hour ratio.
Also, if you are limited in time, decline and hope for a shorter mission. The selection is nice, and level 4 missions in general are not too long.
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Tyrantus
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.04.06 17:37:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Highwind Cid
and level 4 missions in general are not too long.
They are when you run them in a 144dps Drake like the op is doing.
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Vancali
Minmatar
Black Moon Privateers
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Posted - 2009.04.06 17:49:00 -
[96]
lol Meshweaver really made a donkey of himself here. Everyone is ripping him a new one, and for good reason.
1. It doesn't take 10 minutes for even a half-fitted raven or domi to take down a BS.
2. Yes, you won't take one down in 70-80 seconds yet, but this game requires time.
3. Go back to lv 3s, try again later.
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.04.06 17:53:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Another Forum''Alt on 06/04/2009 17:52:40
Drakes are for l3s. Come back to l4 when you have a bs or ishtar.
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Tellenta
Gallente
Invicta.
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.04.06 18:07:00 -
[98]
I agree it takes to long for my ogres to get from BS to BS while I surf the forums. |
Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2009.04.06 18:29:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Meshweaver
This shows that it is not possible to be competative with a low-sp char.
Yes, that's just the way it is actually. You can go and buy a high sp char tho :) |
Serpents smile
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Posted - 2009.04.06 18:46:00 -
[100]
Skimmed the tread.
If it takes the OP 4 hours to do a level 4 you (OP) obviously miss certain skills.
If it takes the OP 4 hours, just imagine how fast he'd run through it with a friend or corp member.
If the OP doesn't understand the MMO part of EVE online's game description, he might want to reconsider going back to Quake or whatever FPS.
I'm not saying one cannot solo level 4's. Been doing that for 6 month's. Not that its got boring at some point.
Bottom line is that EVE is a game for people to join up and do things together.
Stop complaining if you fail at doing (stupid) level 4's on your own. Really, you are so bad you have this 'OMG I must/ can do level 4's, WTF why do they last 4-5 hours, and you never ever have a thought it might be you doing things wrong, but instead demand CCP to make level 4's easier.
In short if you cannot do the current level 4's under an hour, maybe an hour and a half, I politely suggest you go back to level 3 mission, until you are ready to deal with them.
Ps: I hope you'll never ever get into PvP, your whines would be epic.
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Vancali
Minmatar
Black Moon Privateers
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Posted - 2009.04.06 18:57:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Vancali on 06/04/2009 18:57:39
Originally by: Serpents smile
Ps: I hope you'll never ever get into PvP, your whines would be epic.
lol very true
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.04.06 19:21:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Meshweaver
What's the point of making people spend 4 hours on mind numbing, boring, boring meaningless tasks?
Uh, dunno, how about the people that only take 40 minutes for a LONG L4 mission ?
aw ****, that last one took 43 mins, Oh wait, I did the bonus room 
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Shereza
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Posted - 2009.04.07 02:33:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Another Forum'Alt
Edited by: Another Forum''Alt on 06/04/2009 17:52:40
Drakes are for l3s. Come back to l4 when you have a bs or ishtar.
... You must not know how to fly a drake.
All things considered, the drake is probably tied with the myrmidon for solid and respectable solo L4 performance.
The harbinger and the hurricane can both do respectably well (in fact their short-range setups with drones and damage mods are virtually identical in tems of DPS and theoretically survivable) but aren't as solid as the other two.
I am not trying to say, nor will I ever say, that they are the best or even optimal ships for running L4s but with the right skills and setups they can be quite effective and will do significantly better than low-skilled pilots in battleships with low-quality setups.
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MC Purge
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Posted - 2009.04.07 05:05:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Hanneshannes
Originally by: Meshweaver
This shows that it is not possible to be competative with a low-sp char.
Yes, that's just the way it is actually. You can go and buy a high sp char tho :)
No he can't. It'd take too long to make enough ISK to buy one.
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Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.07 05:13:00 -
[105]
You're already earning 30 mil an hour consistently in absolute safety. Why would you want more?
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.04.07 07:58:00 -
[106]
I really hope Hixxy isn't a troll. She could provide an endless amount of entertainment if she keeps this up.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero!  /me bows
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.07 08:09:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Meshweaver
on eft it comes out at 144.
Found your problem....you willhave problems killing some BSes tanks even thus leaving you unable to kill them.
Here is what you do: L3 missions are far easier with that kind of DPS...then get better skills, fit 7 HMLs and a BCU. T2 ould be good
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Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari
Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.07 08:19:00 -
[108]
First off, lvl 4 missions are stupidly too easy per se.
All lvl 4 missions need to take place in low sec so that pirates have a chance to kill mission runners.
Second, if it takes you too long to complete lvl 4 missions, it should indicate that you're better of with lvl 3 missions until your skills improved or you teamed up with a corpmate who has bigger guns. Simple put. You cannot claim "a one week old char needs to be able to complete a lvl 4 mission in half an hour.." WHY??
I need about 15 seconds to kill a npc battleship, but it took me a damn long time to skill until I was able to reach that.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.04.07 09:39:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Meshweaver
This shows that it is not possible to be competative with a low-sp char.
Thread should have ended in a firestorm here.
Originally by: Keorythe
Wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave of ISK, each MOBILE ISK DISPENSER taking about 1 MIN to ACCUMULATE. What's the point of making people spend 15 MIN on MONEY ACCUMALATING AND WEALTH GENERATING tasks?
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Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2009.04.07 09:41:00 -
[110]
If farmers that speak a certain far-eastern language but you cannot name group them based on that language because it is apparently racist can figure it out, I'm sure you can too.
Soon you could be creating billions of ISK a day out of thin air too!
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Shadow Command
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.07 09:49:00 -
[111]
There should be a big thread full of good fittings for level fours - for individual ships even. With lists of skills required to run things solo.
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar
Shadow Reapers
DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2009.04.07 10:14:00 -
[112]
This thread has recently been missing a certain Hixxish component. It now lacks a significant portion of its former entertainment value 
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Dommie Jax
Caldari
Bittercup LTD
Socius Inter Nos
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Posted - 2009.04.07 10:42:00 -
[113]
I can run Level 4 in a Drake, ok I screwed up and got popped one time, but then i learnt, sought advice from other plaers and reset my skill learning to develop my skills in a different direction.
Yeah I can still do Lvl 4, but now i do them in a team
Hyperion
3x Drakes
1x Nighthawk
BS jumps in, gets aggro, everyone else jumps in, snipes at destroys everything in short order, obtain objective, head back to station, change to Salvager
Hurricane Salvager, Catalyst Salvager, Itty 5 for Hauling
then hand in, rinse and repeat
Think the other night me and my fleet made approx 40-50 million isk over a few hours, easy cash
I can run them solo in my Drake, slower gain but I can do it
Originally by: Lamiah
U do realize that 1am in the morning for U is 11am for someone else in the world,right?
Originally by: Tarminic
Personally,I think it's your mother's fault for not stopping at 3rd Base |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 10:46:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Dommie Jax
Yeah I can still do Lvl 4, but now i do them in a team
Hyperion
3x Drakes
1x Nighthawk
[…]
Think the other night me and my fleet made approx 40-50 million isk over a few hours, easy cash
…so, technically, 2-5 mil/h.
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Dommie Jax
Caldari
Bittercup LTD
Socius Inter Nos
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Posted - 2009.04.07 10:49:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Dommie Jax
Yeah I can still do Lvl 4, but now i do them in a team
Hyperion
3x Drakes
1x Nighthawk
[à]
Think the other night me and my fleet made approx 40-50 million isk over a few hours, easy cash
àso, technically, 2-5 mil/h.
nope we made that each over about 4 hours so about 10 mil/h+ (that is not including selling all the loot)
Originally by: Lamiah
U do realize that 1am in the morning for U is 11am for someone else in the world,right?
Originally by: Tarminic
Personally,I think it's your mother's fault for not stopping at 3rd Base |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 10:52:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Dommie Jax
nope we made that each over about 4 hours so about 10 mil/h+ (that is not including selling all the loot)
*phew* I was getting worried there!.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Dommie Jax
Caldari
Bittercup LTD
Socius Inter Nos
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Posted - 2009.04.07 11:05:00 -
[117]
I would quit in disgust if i was making that per hour on L4 :)
Yeah I did try soloing an L4 on my drake, could tank the ships until the cows came home
750k bounties on 4 Ravens, took like 30 mins to pop each, would get its shield down, then they would jam me, by time I got lock back the shields were back, start all over again
now thats frustrating lol
Originally by: Lamiah
U do realize that 1am in the morning for U is 11am for someone else in the world,right?
Originally by: Tarminic
Personally,I think it's your mother's fault for not stopping at 3rd Base |
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