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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:10:00 -
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And stupid.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:10:00 -
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And stupid.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:15:00 -
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if you cant set up a retribution to melt your enemy before he even decides to warp your the problem not the ship.
all ships cannot be all duty.
if you dont want to fly a retribution that is your choice, but coming on forums and trying to get it changed into something you would fly is weak.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:15:00 -
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if you cant set up a retribution to melt your enemy before he even decides to warp your the problem not the ship.
all ships cannot be all duty.
if you dont want to fly a retribution that is your choice, but coming on forums and trying to get it changed into something you would fly is weak.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 30/08/2004 23:06:06
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 30/08/2004 22:22:51
Why is it that almost all the people protesting against boosting the Retribution are Gallente?
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all ships cannot be all duty.
But all but one ships can, right? I mean. Enyo, Wolf, Harpy. They can all do those things which the Retrib can't.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 30/08/2004 23:06:06
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 30/08/2004 22:22:51
Why is it that almost all the people protesting against boosting the Retribution are Gallente?
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all ships cannot be all duty.
But all but one ships can, right? I mean. Enyo, Wolf, Harpy. They can all do those things which the Retrib can't.
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Anice
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
- Want to pin a target? Take an inty. They're meant for this. Assault frigs are meant to dissuade them.
- Want to chase a target? Take an inty. They're also meant for this. Assault frigs are tanks, not sprinters.
- Move around? Depend of wether you put a MWd or not, but even your low speed, combined to your sig size, is enough to avoid most heavy fire within srambler/disruptor range, and if you're farther away you have ample time to warp out.
- Dictate range? Dictating range is only usefull if you have the range advantage where firepower is concerned. With the rights ammos pulses and 125mm guns could give consistant hits at 30km, I think. And those are not the highest ranged ones.
A blateranis is coming at you? A webbifier will allow your rails or whatever to hit him (and you have a tracking bonus on top of that), and it'll be forced to flee before it get through your armor.
"They are meant for this" is a stupid reason when the other assault ships can do all those things very well, while the retribution is severely limited in its use. I dont see how you can keep saying that the retribution is fine, when its obvious that it isnt. |
Anice
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
- Want to pin a target? Take an inty. They're meant for this. Assault frigs are meant to dissuade them.
- Want to chase a target? Take an inty. They're also meant for this. Assault frigs are tanks, not sprinters.
- Move around? Depend of wether you put a MWd or not, but even your low speed, combined to your sig size, is enough to avoid most heavy fire within srambler/disruptor range, and if you're farther away you have ample time to warp out.
- Dictate range? Dictating range is only usefull if you have the range advantage where firepower is concerned. With the rights ammos pulses and 125mm guns could give consistant hits at 30km, I think. And those are not the highest ranged ones.
A blateranis is coming at you? A webbifier will allow your rails or whatever to hit him (and you have a tracking bonus on top of that), and it'll be forced to flee before it get through your armor.
"They are meant for this" is a stupid reason when the other assault ships can do all those things very well, while the retribution is severely limited in its use. I dont see how you can keep saying that the retribution is fine, when its obvious that it isnt. |
Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 22:34:09
Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 22:32:53
did you ever think if the retirbution had 2 med slots it might be the most powerful assault out there? think about how a second med slot could unbalance the whole assault class.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 22:34:09
Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 22:32:53
did you ever think if the retirbution had 2 med slots it might be the most powerful assault out there? think about how a second med slot could unbalance the whole assault class.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:35:00 -
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did you ever think if the retirbution had 2 med slots it might be the most powerful assault out there? think about how a second med slot could unbalance the whole assault class.
Ever look at an Enyo? That's what I'm getting. Two medslots, lots of armor, incredible firepower. I'd get a Retribution if it worked, but it doesn't, so I'm getting an Enyo.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:35:00 -
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did you ever think if the retirbution had 2 med slots it might be the most powerful assault out there? think about how a second med slot could unbalance the whole assault class.
Ever look at an Enyo? That's what I'm getting. Two medslots, lots of armor, incredible firepower. I'd get a Retribution if it worked, but it doesn't, so I'm getting an Enyo.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
- Want to pin a target? Take an inty. They're meant for this. Assault frigs are meant to dissuade them.
- Want to chase a target? Take an inty. They're also meant for this. Assault frigs are tanks, not sprinters.
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Do you have some sort of mental disfunction?
What part about the retribution being the only assault frigate with one midslot are you missing?
All other assault frigates have more then 1 and many share the same type of slot layouts. The retribution pays for its 1 midslot with another lowslot as well as a useless POS utility slot.
It is the only assault frigate with this retarded layout while a more balanced 4/2/4 is common amongst gallente/minmatar.
If you think assault frigates are not going to be mounting scramblers/disruptors/webbers for pinning then you really need to wake the **** up.
A maller is 10x better then a retribution. It has 3 mids, can put on 5 top of the line frig guns as well as an 'effective' nos/neutralizer, can move almost as fast with od's, can mount plates/passive's/repairers to get high resist and vastly superior armor regeneration as well as all around shield strength/armor/capacity/structure.
It can also put on 100mn AB/scrambler/disruptor to pin it's prey and make sure they dont just warp off to come back again. Once a frigate scrambles a battleship it's done its job for 30seconds and can leave and come back to do it again.
How exactly are you helping the battleship you are escorting by taking pot shots at scrambling frigs? An experienced pilot can scramble a bs and be out in 2-3 seconds. You want to explain how your going to gank a frig in that time span with less firepower then a crusader?
All that and it cost you a load less isk. Oh and i can insure a maller 100%, can you do that to a retribution? Nope.
So remind me again why i'm going to use a retribution in pvp again?
It's so stupid it's almost funny.
Almost.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
- Want to pin a target? Take an inty. They're meant for this. Assault frigs are meant to dissuade them.
- Want to chase a target? Take an inty. They're also meant for this. Assault frigs are tanks, not sprinters.
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Do you have some sort of mental disfunction?
What part about the retribution being the only assault frigate with one midslot are you missing?
All other assault frigates have more then 1 and many share the same type of slot layouts. The retribution pays for its 1 midslot with another lowslot as well as a useless POS utility slot.
It is the only assault frigate with this retarded layout while a more balanced 4/2/4 is common amongst gallente/minmatar.
If you think assault frigates are not going to be mounting scramblers/disruptors/webbers for pinning then you really need to wake the **** up.
A maller is 10x better then a retribution. It has 3 mids, can put on 5 top of the line frig guns as well as an 'effective' nos/neutralizer, can move almost as fast with od's, can mount plates/passive's/repairers to get high resist and vastly superior armor regeneration as well as all around shield strength/armor/capacity/structure.
It can also put on 100mn AB/scrambler/disruptor to pin it's prey and make sure they dont just warp off to come back again. Once a frigate scrambles a battleship it's done its job for 30seconds and can leave and come back to do it again.
How exactly are you helping the battleship you are escorting by taking pot shots at scrambling frigs? An experienced pilot can scramble a bs and be out in 2-3 seconds. You want to explain how your going to gank a frig in that time span with less firepower then a crusader?
All that and it cost you a load less isk. Oh and i can insure a maller 100%, can you do that to a retribution? Nope.
So remind me again why i'm going to use a retribution in pvp again?
It's so stupid it's almost funny.
Almost.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:40:00 -
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i think running a webber or scrambler on ANY assault ship will be detrimental to the loadout. you will have to make sacrifices to fit them, and it will take away from the "assault" part of the assault ship.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:40:00 -
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i think running a webber or scrambler on ANY assault ship will be detrimental to the loadout. you will have to make sacrifices to fit them, and it will take away from the "assault" part of the assault ship.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 30/08/2004 23:05:44
It can't even assault.
Assault means to attack, how pray tell do you attack when you have to choose between the MWD needed to give you momentum and pursuit, and the tackling tools absolutely necessary to scoring any sort of kills as opposed to putting dings in someone's shields with your hilariously weak firepower and watching them warp away laughing at your stupid-ass ship.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 30/08/2004 23:05:44
It can't even assault.
Assault means to attack, how pray tell do you attack when you have to choose between the MWD needed to give you momentum and pursuit, and the tackling tools absolutely necessary to scoring any sort of kills as opposed to putting dings in someone's shields with your hilariously weak firepower and watching them warp away laughing at your stupid-ass ship.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 23:24:59
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It can't even assault, you stooge.
Assault means to attack, how pray tell do you attack when you have to choose between the MWD needed to give you momentum and pursuit, and the tackling tools absolutely necessary to scoring any sort of kills as opposed to putting dings in someone's shields with your hilariously weak firepower and watching them warp away laughing at your stupid-ass ship.
if a retirbution cant kill an interceptor from 40km the pilot is the problem. compare an enyo to a retribution and you see pretty much equal ships, unless your brain is walnut sized.
GOOD assault pilots will not be messing them up with webbers and scramblers.
your wrong, and thats the bottom line. now lets gets some insults flowing more freely so this stupid thread will be locked
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 23:24:59
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It can't even assault, you stooge.
Assault means to attack, how pray tell do you attack when you have to choose between the MWD needed to give you momentum and pursuit, and the tackling tools absolutely necessary to scoring any sort of kills as opposed to putting dings in someone's shields with your hilariously weak firepower and watching them warp away laughing at your stupid-ass ship.
if a retirbution cant kill an interceptor from 40km the pilot is the problem. compare an enyo to a retribution and you see pretty much equal ships, unless your brain is walnut sized.
GOOD assault pilots will not be messing them up with webbers and scramblers.
your wrong, and thats the bottom line. now lets gets some insults flowing more freely so this stupid thread will be locked
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 22:57:32
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It can't even assault, you stooge.
Assault means to attack, how pray tell do you attack when you have to choose between the MWD needed to give you momentum and pursuit, and the tackling tools absolutely necessary to scoring any sort of kills as opposed to putting dings in someone's shields with your hilariously weak firepower and watching them warp away laughing at your stupid-ass ship.
listen up you glue sniffing monkey, if a retribution cant kill an interceptor from 40km the pilot is the problem. compare an enyo to a retribution and you see pretty much equal ships, unless your brain is walnut sized.
GOOD assault pilots will not be messing up their ships with webbers and scramblers. if you really need a scrambler to score a kill in one you better just shut up and listen.
your wrong, and thats the bottom line. now lets gets some insults flowing more freely so this stupid thread will be locked
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 22:57:32
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It can't even assault, you stooge.
Assault means to attack, how pray tell do you attack when you have to choose between the MWD needed to give you momentum and pursuit, and the tackling tools absolutely necessary to scoring any sort of kills as opposed to putting dings in someone's shields with your hilariously weak firepower and watching them warp away laughing at your stupid-ass ship.
listen up you glue sniffing monkey, if a retribution cant kill an interceptor from 40km the pilot is the problem. compare an enyo to a retribution and you see pretty much equal ships, unless your brain is walnut sized.
GOOD assault pilots will not be messing up their ships with webbers and scramblers. if you really need a scrambler to score a kill in one you better just shut up and listen.
your wrong, and thats the bottom line. now lets gets some insults flowing more freely so this stupid thread will be locked
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gaiam
if you cant set up a retribution to melt your enemy before he even decides to warp your the problem not the ship.
I'm surprised Istvaan even bothered to reply to this noob trash of a post.
If one day sometime in the future you leave secure space you might learn that 4 pulse lasers cannot kill any frig in 2seconds, the time it takes to warp.
I hope you enjoyed this brief lesson in pvp.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gaiam
if you cant set up a retribution to melt your enemy before he even decides to warp your the problem not the ship.
I'm surprised Istvaan even bothered to reply to this noob trash of a post.
If one day sometime in the future you leave secure space you might learn that 4 pulse lasers cannot kill any frig in 2seconds, the time it takes to warp.
I hope you enjoyed this brief lesson in pvp.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 23:06:16
meridious you are the biggest fool in eve, **** off with your pker knowledge.
you go girl with your pulse lasers.
ive forgotten more about pvp than you will ever learn.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 23:06:16
meridious you are the biggest fool in eve, **** off with your pker knowledge.
you go girl with your pulse lasers.
ive forgotten more about pvp than you will ever learn.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.30 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 30/08/2004 23:07:07
PKer knowledge?
So hang on, if he knows how to kill people and you don't, how come you're acting as if you're somebody? Go defeat some veldspar.
edit: To any moderators listening, please clean the thread up, don't lock it. I don't want a valid discussion of a very real problem derailed by people who would never fly the ship in the first place arguing for argument's sake. I want this to get looked at by a dev.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.30 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 30/08/2004 23:07:07
PKer knowledge?
So hang on, if he knows how to kill people and you don't, how come you're acting as if you're somebody? Go defeat some veldspar.
edit: To any moderators listening, please clean the thread up, don't lock it. I don't want a valid discussion of a very real problem derailed by people who would never fly the ship in the first place arguing for argument's sake. I want this to get looked at by a dev.
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Calyn
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Posted - 2004.08.30 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Calyn on 30/08/2004 23:11:40
Shadowsword, can you even fly Amarr ships at all? If not, please refrain from commenting on something you know nothing about.
The Retribtion is busted, more so than the Maller, and to a lesser extent Punisher. They all need that turret they are missing, most of them the retribution.
All other gun assaults have one more turret than their interceptor counterparts, the Retribution has not, this is an obvious oversight, especially considering that the descrription of the ship clearly states it's a classical Amarr ship with lots of lasers and armour. In exchange it's slow, has few (ONE) midslot and low shields. This would balance out nicely, IF IT HAD THAT 5th TURRET!
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Calyn
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Posted - 2004.08.30 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Calyn on 30/08/2004 23:11:40
Shadowsword, can you even fly Amarr ships at all? If not, please refrain from commenting on something you know nothing about.
The Retribtion is busted, more so than the Maller, and to a lesser extent Punisher. They all need that turret they are missing, most of them the retribution.
All other gun assaults have one more turret than their interceptor counterparts, the Retribution has not, this is an obvious oversight, especially considering that the descrription of the ship clearly states it's a classical Amarr ship with lots of lasers and armour. In exchange it's slow, has few (ONE) midslot and low shields. This would balance out nicely, IF IT HAD THAT 5th TURRET!
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