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Burhtun
Pacific Mining and Manufacturing Co-operative Nox Draconum
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:18:00 -
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If I remember correctly, the diffuse texture was actually REDUCED in the V3 process. They doubled the normal map texture resolution and halved the diffuse map resolution. So its reversed from what it used to be. I too would like prettier spaceships, but it becomes hard to justify if there is any performance hit at all because you hardly ever see any of the spaceships in this game during actual gameplay. Would be nice to have the option to have double texture res though, for those with machines and play styles that can handle it. Or for when you feel like taking screenshots.
I agree some currently V3ed ships definitely look better than others. Ships with lots of drawn-on detailing such as the plating on Amarr ships look very blurry. Drawn-on circular shapes also look bad, more likely to find those on Amarr and Gallente than Minmatar or Caldari. The Harbinger normal map looks kinda messy, but they should probably just redesign that ship eventually anyway like the bombers and Raven. Looks like a chicken. :)
Would be nice if all ships were as crisp as the Impairor... |

Jerick Ludhowe
Wraiths of Abaddon
66
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:56:00 -
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Burhtun wrote:If I remember correctly, the diffuse texture was actually REDUCED in the V3 process. They doubled the normal map texture resolution and halved the diffuse map resolution. So its reversed from what it used to be. I too would like prettier spaceships, but it becomes hard to justify if there is any performance hit at all because you hardly ever see any of the spaceships in this game during actual gameplay. Would be nice to have the option to have double texture res though, for those with machines and play styles that can handle it. Or for when you feel like taking screenshots.
I agree some currently V3ed ships definitely look better than others. Ships with lots of drawn-on detailing such as the plating on Amarr ships look very blurry. Drawn-on circular shapes also look bad, more likely to find those on Amarr and Gallente than Minmatar or Caldari. The Harbinger normal map looks kinda messy, but they should probably just redesign that ship eventually anyway like the bombers and Raven. Looks like a chicken. :)
Would be nice if all ships were as crisp as the Impairor...
eve is not a hard game to run, never has been never will be. Justifying shotty quality by "it will cause a performance hit" is a fail argument for many reasons.
1. As I stated game will never be resource intensive 2. Client side, no server performance hit 3. Variability of graphic quality, don't like pretty stuff cuz it's slowing down your comp while multiboxing 10 accounts? Turn down your settings, problem solved.
Truth is that these v3 changes are god awful... We have turret hard points showing on ships that don't have them, we also have huge issues with seams and texture plotting.... Stop the amateur hour please and act like a company that has been around for 12 years.....
As for the whole Teselation thing... Going to be 2+ years out and by the time they get to introducing their inevitable shotty attempt new tech will be out and we will be asking for new updates the moment it goes live. CCP is almost printing money with the sale of plex... No reason to not have an industry leading graphics team... Take some pride in your game...................
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Jiji Hamin
Aliastra Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:26:00 -
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Guys chill out this is test server and there is almost a month before the patch launches. If it hits live server like that then flip out, sure, but it's probably still WIP. The purpose of the test server is to test things, don't just hop on it and then complain because things are unfinished and you want them to be pretty. |

Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2012.05.05 23:50:00 -
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Jaina Doombringer wrote:Ok jumped onto Sisi and hoped for the best.
First impressions where quite nice of the V3 update, but after undocking my Abaddon i was shocked about how bad the textures look if you zoom into close range.
I have the same problem with women in low lit bars and pubs... I really do need to update my optical receptors, in the mean time I would suggest you do as I do... BEER!!! Googles - in the NEX, 100.00 but well worth it, and def needed in the morning... *Al Bundy* - OMG!!!... OMG, I'm Blind!!!... it's all about the Frame Rate... |

Jaina Doombringer
Grapes of Wrath
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:51:00 -
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MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
636
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:50:00 -
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Klingon Admiral wrote:Well, the ships didn't get new textures, just the shaders were changed. So ships like the 'Baddon are in terms of texture resolution still in good ol' '07. Which probably also explains CCP's reluctance to v3 caps ... their textures are even worse.
Sorry but this isn't true. the diffuse maps have been cut to 256x256 and the normal maps textures have been increased to 512x512
It's not just new shaders check the dev blog again
I'm thinking they need to just increase the client a bit for larger ships, Normalmaps can't normally be tiled very well as they are based on the high poly 5 million poly sculpt. What going on here is a simple issue of not enough UV space for the textures. If you want I can post the new texture maps laid out in this thread so you can pick them apart. |

Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
40
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Posted - 2012.05.07 05:44:00 -
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Little inspiration, this is how paladin should look like ( Colors ):
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120404161009/marvelmovies/images/4/41/Avenger_IronMan.jpg |

Ogogov
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:05:00 -
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It's mostly down to the fact CCP had to cater to those strange people still running 128mb graphics cards who for some reason run ten accounts but don't have $200 to put down on a modern mid-range card. Until they stop whining in every dev blog about graphical updates, CCP will keep the game hamstrung because it has to run across a huge variety of hardware.
Either way, it does indeed suck. I was quite disappointed with the visual gains from most of Gallente ships I fly, too. |

Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
118
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:27:00 -
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Not to get too RP-nitpick-y, but I also noted that the T2 Amarr ships didn't have the proper Corporation logos on the hulls. For example, the Pilgrim had the Sarum logo. We have a blog, it is terrible. How to fix Bounty Hunting |

Severian Carnifex
178
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:59:00 -
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Ogogov wrote:It's mostly down to the fact CCP had to cater to those strange people still running 128mb graphics cards who for some reason run ten accounts but don't have $200 to put down on a modern mid-range card. Until they stop whining in every dev blog about graphical updates, CCP will keep the game hamstrung because it has to run across a huge variety of hardware.
Either way, it does indeed suck. I was quite disappointed with the visual gains from most of Gallente ships I fly, too.
signed.
People want to play video game on tipewriter... 
CCP told us that they can boost visuals ... and i dont see why the hell they do not do it...  |

Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
45
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Posted - 2012.05.08 05:40:00 -
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I would like the option of downloading higher res textures for my client. I want textures so large that I need a minimum of a 2 gig video card... |

Einar Matveinen
nXo Intrepid Crossing
15
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:49:00 -
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After last patch Manticore doesn't have Lai Dai emblem, it has Caldari State emblem instead -+? |

COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
84
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:50:00 -
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hm Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |

Sirinda
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:30:00 -
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It's rather shocking, TBH. Most of the frigate and destroyer textures are fairly high-detail, but once you take more than just a cursory look at anything larger than that you'll notice a distinct lack of detail that gets worse the bigger the ship in question is. It's even noticeable on the new Raven model.
I hope the art team will eventually get around to rectify that. |

Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
157
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:57:00 -
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Sirinda wrote:It's rather shocking, TBH. Most of the frigate and destroyer textures are fairly high-detail, but once you take more than just a cursory look at anything larger than that you'll notice a distinct lack of detail that gets worse the bigger the ship in question is. It's even noticeable on the new R aven model.
I hope the art team will eventually get around to rectify that. At the moment, ships are limited to 1 or 2 1024x1024 texure maps (T3s are done by individual subsystems and they, frigs and other small things normally use 512x512 maps) so BSs that are many many times bigger than a frigate are stuck with, at most, only 8 times more pixels to play with. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |

Sirinda
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
91
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:02:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Sirinda wrote:It's rather shocking, TBH. Most of the frigate and destroyer textures are fairly high-detail, but once you take more than just a cursory look at anything larger than that you'll notice a distinct lack of detail that gets worse the bigger the ship in question is. It's even noticeable on the new R aven model.
I hope the art team will eventually get around to rectify that. At the moment, ships are limited to 1 or 2 1024x1024 texure maps (T3s are done by individual subsystems and they, frigs and other small things normally use 512x512 maps) so BSs that are many many times bigger than a frigate are stuck with, at most, only 8 times more pixels to play with.
That would explain the crappy textures at least. The question is if the limitation is easy to overcome or not. I'm guessing it's been inherited from the time before multi GB graphics cards.
I don't think there's anything speaking against adding an optional hi-res texture pack for those of us who want eye candy to go with spaceships. :P
(It's hilarious how turrets are more detailed than the ships they're mounted on, another effect of the current maximum texture size you mentioned.) |

Tobiaz
Spacerats
379
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:28:00 -
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I thought the Zealot was going to get swapped to Carthum 'red' as part of the V3 update. I guess not. It's still Viziam. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt
Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |

Einar Matveinen
nXo Intrepid Crossing
15
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:49:00 -
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Manticore texture corrected, it has now correct Lai Dai paintings.
There is some inconsistency on textures now, Cerberus, Golem and Manticore has a darker Lai Dai painting job and Bustard, Kitsune or Basilisk have the old lighter painting job.
I think Caldari and Gallente battleship textures are more detailed than Amarrian new V3 textures. Apocalypse Navy Issue new V3 texture seems the same old texture only with the addition of an Amarr Navy emblem. The rest of apoc variants seems the same old textures too with different color and new emblems.
New V3 textures are great in some models (frigates and cruisers) and seems very crappy in another models, mainly amarrian battleships.
Rest of features of Inferno are great but for many players the graphical aspect of eve is important and i think there is too much differences in EvE between old models (like minmatar for example) and new models coexisting at the same time in the same EvE version. |

Sirinda
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.05.09 23:01:00 -
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I'm guessing the reason for Minmatar ships not having been V3'd yet is the fact that most (if not all) of them will have to receive new models. Let's face it, with few exception, they're all eyesores. |

COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
85
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:00:00 -
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Did look deeper into the skins and they seem not finished yet. Paladin is different from what it was a day ago, allot more details to the red now Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |

Arcadia1701
6
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:30:00 -
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Aralieus wrote:Oh gawd...my eyeballs! Not going to emo-rage cause after all this is just test server but sheet man. My beautiful golden hulls look like crap. If this is their proposed change and its final I would just rather they not **** with them at all.
This is a game. EVERYTHING metal MUST have a coat of oil on it... I am annoyed with it too. They have never heard of brushed metals.... Hope they fix my Gold red yellow Black with lights paladin...
Like the ironman pic that someone linked :) |

bornaa
GRiD.
220
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Posted - 2012.05.11 22:26:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Sirinda wrote:It's rather shocking, TBH. Most of the frigate and destroyer textures are fairly high-detail, but once you take more than just a cursory look at anything larger than that you'll notice a distinct lack of detail that gets worse the bigger the ship in question is. It's even noticeable on the new R aven model.
I hope the art team will eventually get around to rectify that. At the moment, ships are limited to 1 or 2 1024x1024 texure maps (T3s are done by individual subsystems and they, frigs and other small things normally use 512x512 maps) so BSs that are many many times bigger than a frigate are stuck with, at most, only 8 times more pixels to play with.
I thought that 512x512 maps are for all subcaps... But... what ever BC and BSs use its crap... the larger ship... the larger crap. 
@CCP: we are out of '90s... today graphic cards have more memory then 64mb...  even my craptop graphic have 1gb (GeForce GT 425M) and even integrated cards have 256mb dedicated memory + shared main. That Ain't Right |

Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge
31
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Posted - 2012.05.11 23:05:00 -
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I just don't like how half the larger amarr ships now look like they been stuck belly up in the mud...i know it won't change, but this changes my perception of what used to be one of my favorite to look at ships in the game...the abaddon, is now almost as ugly color-wise as the new CNR's...which were only made 'less ugly' by the new textures. |

Sarmatiko
714
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Posted - 2012.05.12 08:46:00 -
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Klingon Admiral wrote:Well, the ships didn't get new textures, just the shaders were changed. So ships like the 'Baddon are in terms of texture resolution still in good ol' '07. Which probably also explains CCP's reluctance to v3 caps ... their textures are even worse. Actually they redrawed all textures and made slight changes to ship models (for example changed Moa front spikes, or Apocalypse bottom spikes) |

Sellendis
The Ares project
100
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Posted - 2012.05.12 09:32:00 -
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Panhead4411 wrote:I just don't like how half the larger amarr ships now look like they been stuck belly up in the mud...i know it won't change, but this changes my perception of what used to be one of my favorite to look at ships in the game...the abaddon, is now almost as ugly color-wise as the new CNR's...which were only made 'less ugly' by the new textures.
+1 on this All amarr ships look like rolled in mud, of flying turds. Whose brilliant idea was it to take golden hulls that were amarr distinct characteristic, and paint them in a ugly shade of brown? Unless CCP in their laziness just figured out that the darker the textures the less details we see. Less work to be done? Figures.
Caldari and amarr ship icons for locked targer feature ships that have near black hulls in blackness of background. Visibility 101. That is why we argued that new modules icons were dark and blurry and hard to distinguish, now we get the same thing with ships. I simply have to strain my eyes to see if i am shooting an Apoc, geddon or prophecy, if CCP redid ship skins, could they at least leave ship icons in visible and bright color?
CNR skin is ugly as sin. Military green was ok, but current one is horrible. |

Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
505
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:21:00 -
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Arcadia1701 wrote:Another major gripe i have. the OLD amarr freighter ( pre trinity ) looked 100 times better than the NEW one even on ultra settings.. See here http://youtu.be/BrWAOeIN4Ik?t=2m23sand here http://youtu.be/e5LdPf2J_hs?t=4m40s I Don't get how CCPs art team can be even slightly happy with how crap it looks today. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1205/2012.05.03.16.17.37.jpgmm yeh id be embarrsed at how a new updated graphics ship to use all modern fancy features look like it was done in MS paint compared to the OLD... one.. ( i know it hasnt been V3ed yet.. so i pray for a decent update. ) And to comment on other amarr V3s. Why is every ship SOOO dark? Mostly tech 2 ships. I i can hardly see my ship, its just a shadow and an outline... heres a hint, dark things hide bad art work. cough cough. I would suggest you stop playing with the lowest possible graphics settings. This is how a Providence looks like on my PC:
http://www.mashie.org/eve/providence.jpg
Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |

Jerick Ludhowe
Wraiths of Abaddon Byzantine Empire
73
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Posted - 2012.05.12 15:50:00 -
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yep, bland and bad. Congrats on proving nothing.
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
505
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Posted - 2012.05.12 20:04:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:yep, bland and bad. Congrats on proving nothing. It was just to show that it isn't worse than it was before trinity, which is the post I replied to. And yes the screen shot I quoted must have had the anistropic filtering set to 0 and low textures. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |

Arcadia1701
6
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Posted - 2012.05.12 20:21:00 -
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I play on MAX settings.. GTX 560 TI with fully updated drivers.. yup it REALLY looks THAT bad ...
Pre trinity one was better . :) |

Johnson Johnson
Heretic University Heretic Nation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.13 15:27:00 -
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anybody with an ATI GPU, make sure you have Catalyst A.I turned off before you start getting up close and pervy with your spaceships |
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