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Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.07 19:01:00 -
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Well my family moving out of the U.S soon permanantly within the next two years to Japan and China. The reason why is because my family has property there and we want to make a living with our relatives back home. Of course the Chinese side of my family and Japanese is going to split.
Japan was my first choice, but if I get my citizenship there (Which I can right away because my uncle has connections) I'll have to renounce my current citizenship with the U.S They do not allow dual citizenships. My family owns a nice house there, and I'll probably work as an interpreter for my uncles company.
If I go to China, I can't play EVE on tranquility. Which sucks, but my cousin owns a business there and a club in Hong Kong. I can make a lot of money and have fun.
I do also want to live in the U.K or Netherlands because I want something different and to experience European cultures. So what are some good things about the U.K and Netherlands over China and Japan? And also - how are asian people treated in Europe? Will I get strange looks or face some racial prejudice?
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jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.07 19:04:00 -
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well i wouldnt suggest the UK atm were all trying to get out !
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Thoma Katch
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.04.07 19:12:00 -
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I'm from the UK and I would say that in general the the oriental (Our word for Chinese/Japanese with Asian used to describe people from India and that kind of area) manage to intergrate reasonably well into our society and if they do choose to keep to themselves then they seem to do it in a way that nobody seems to mind. Tension only really arises when we feel like our way of life is being undermined by ethnic groups that don't understand the its up to them to fit in with our society and not the other way around.
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Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.07 19:15:00 -
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 Originally by: jason hill
well i wouldnt suggest the UK atm were all trying to get out !
Why? I'd like to hear more details please. =]
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Magnus Nordir
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.07 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 07/04/2009 19:39:48
China: backwards society stuck half-way between communism and civilisation, and that's in the modernised parts. Also fascist government that shoots you and sells your organs on ebay for shoplifting/jaywalking. The only country that executes more people than the USA.
Japan: Highest(?) suicide rate on earth, performance-based depressing meritocratic society. Also racist as hell, but I guess you're Japanese if you can acquire citizenship, so that shouldn't be an issue.
UK/Netherlands: Along with the rest of Europe, slowly turning into a muslim caliphate thanks to the uncivilised hordes of immigrants from the middle east/north africa.
Seriously, stay in the USA, it's the last civilised country on Earth, and I'm not even American (but plan on moving there soon).
EDIT: Try Canada, they love asians.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.07 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu
Originally by: jason hill
well i wouldnt suggest the UK atm were all trying to get out !
Why? I'd like to hear more details please. =]
Talk to Shanzam/David Kang. 
There's quite a bit wrong with this country (big government, ridiculous tax, etc), but if you manage to see past the Daily Mail's demented howlings, you'll see it isn't as bad as people like to make out. There are worse places to live.
That said, if I were in your shoes, I'd go with China Or Japan. The food is better over there, and the women better looking. 
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TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.07 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: jason hill
well i wouldnt suggest the UK atm were all trying to get out !
i would second that...
i have been looking at Germany or even a bit further east(subject to the Gas still being on;)
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Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.07 20:23:00 -
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The UK isn't as bad as everyone makes out, yes there are problems but you'll get along just fine here.
Personally I live in Wales and I find it hard to believe that there could be any place nicer, Beautiful views, beautiful air, friendly people, not overpopulated... Wales is lovely so long as you're not in somewhere like Swansea or some parts of Cardiff.
The problem most people seem to have (I.E Shanzam) is that they live in rough places and like to moan, assuming that everywhere MUST be the same as where they are currently. It isn't, There are many nice places to live in England, Wales or Scotland.
However, you are from the US... you may find the UK a little boring when compared to america, we aren't as loud or brightly coloured, our weather isn't as hot and there will be numerous little things that you'll miss once you're here.
Ultimately it's up to you but please don't go only on what some jaded twerps tell you, I've no reason to lie to you, I didn't CHOOSE to live in the UK, I have no "Buyers remorse". I can move out of the country any time I want but I don't want to, It's nice here. There are much, MUCH worse places to live, if those people saying just how terrible the UK is don't believe that then they are welcome to go visit them themselves.
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Thoma Katch
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.04.07 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
However, you are from the US... you may find the UK a little boring when compared to america, we aren't as loud or brightly coloured, our weather isn't as hot and there will be numerous little things that you'll miss once you're here.
Scandalous lies! I used to go caravaning to Pwllheli when I was little with my family and the sand used to get so hot on the beach during the summer you couldn't stand still for more than few seconds.
Also don't give away that Wales is actually a very nice place to visit.
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Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.04.07 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir
Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 07/04/2009 19:39:48
China: backwards society stuck half-way between communism and civilisation, and that's in the modernised parts. Also fascist government that shoots you and sells your organs on ebay for shoplifting/jaywalking. The only country that executes more people than the USA.
Japan: Highest(?) suicide rate on earth, performance-based depressing meritocratic society. Also racist as hell, but I guess you're Japanese if you can acquire citizenship, so that shouldn't be an issue.
UK/Netherlands: Along with the rest of Europe, slowly turning into a muslim caliphate thanks to the uncivilised hordes of immigrants from the middle east/north africa.
Seriously, stay in the USA, it's the last civilised country on Earth, and I'm not even American (but plan on moving there soon).
EDIT: Try Canada, they love asians.
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xplosiv
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Posted - 2009.04.07 21:26:00 -
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Netherlands.
Don't touch the UK. It's a mess here.
China is to much of a risk could go any direction and many of them bad.
Jpn you won't like it after living in the west for a long time.
US is a big place. Could try a diffrent state.
New Zealand or Canada are good.
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Atomos Darksun
Damage Incorporated.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: xplosiv
US is a big place. Could try a diffrent state.
New Zealand or Canada are good.
Badly spaced paragraph break makes it seem as if we annexed Canada
Originally by: Amoxin
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overcorpse
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Posted - 2009.04.07 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: xplosiv
Netherlands.
Don't touch the UK. It's a mess here.
China is to much of a risk could go any direction and many of them bad.
Jpn you won't like it after living in the west for a long time.
US is a big place. Could try a diffrent state.
New Zealand or Canada are good.
I'm getting a bit miffed with all the whingeing idiots on these forums going on about how bad Blighty is.If you dont like it sod off to germany or what not,seriously GTFO.
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Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: overcorpse
Originally by: xplosiv
Netherlands.
Don't touch the UK. It's a mess here.
China is to much of a risk could go any direction and many of them bad.
Jpn you won't like it after living in the west for a long time.
US is a big place. Could try a diffrent state.
New Zealand or Canada are good.
I'm getting a bit miffed with all the whingeing idiots on these forums going on about how bad Blighty is.If you dont like it sod off to germany or what not,seriously GTFO.
I keep telling David Kang the same thing too. He could easily up sticks and move to Germany, but says he's 'saving' up, I don't know how he is saving with all those extraordinary taxes that leave him with nothing but a minimum weekly allowance, or so he says.
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Hudson on 07/04/2009 23:47:41
Originally by: xplosiv
Netherlands.
Don't touch the UK. It's a mess here.
China is to much of a risk could go any direction and many of them bad.
Jpn you won't like it after living in the west for a long time.
US is a big place. Could try a diffrent state.
New Zealand or Canada are good.
It is? i had not noticed.
The 1% of the British Population that is muslim are going to take power and install islamic law any day now, or at least thats what you think when you read the Daily Mail
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overcorpse
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Posted - 2009.04.07 23:58:00 -
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Yeah living in the UK sucks.I dont know i how i cope.
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Eomar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.08 01:24:00 -
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UK is ok, depending on where you go.
I lived in the netherlands for 6 months, hated every second of it.
even hated amsterdam - overpriced, smack head infested, sleazepit.
came back to scotland, which, for the record, is considerably nicer than wales ;)
Cant really comment on japan or china, as ive never lived in either, however from what I understand the culture takes some getting used to.
Having lived/worked in a good chunk of this planet and loved/hated various parts of it, i'd say the only way youll really know is to try it.
At the end of the day, if it doesnt work out you can always move on. (current economic climate notwithstanding.)
Oh yeah. to experience european cultures move to EUROPE not UK, i'll have no truck with that foriegn rubbish on my sovreign soil ;)
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Reiisha
Evolution
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.04.08 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Reiisha on 08/04/2009 09:26:24
Netherlands is a nice and quiet place in most parts. If you're going to live in the Randstad (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Utrecht), best live outside of the major city centers, and move to one of the smaller towns around.
If you look around on the outside, you can find some very nice places outside of Zuid and Noord-Holland. Personally i'd recommend taking a look at Limburg, it's a very convenient area adjacent to Belgium and Germany, and it's quite a nice landscape in the southern most parts, particularly near Vaals.
The political situation is a little boring, but the whole "muslim here, immigrant that" thing is pretty much centered around the big cities like Amsterdam and Rotterdam. I live in Leiden (pretty much in the middle of them), and i haven't actually seen a single issue about that yet. And even IN Amster and Rotterdam it's an issue, but not so much of a problem, as many people make it out to be - At least, not yet.
I do admit that the government has forgotten that immigrants move to the Netherlands, and not another part of the middle east. It's very disheartening to see that little by little they're allowing a lot of minority groups to essentially terraform the places they live into miniature versions of the places they came from. But, as i said, that's in the big cities, not so much outside of them.
Personally i can't really imagine living anywhere else. Very chilled out place if you avoid Amsterdam and Rotterdam :)
I can't comment on the UK, some people i know are planning on leaving, some never want to leave. I think there it's also very dependant on WHERE in the UK you live.
Japan will be a culture shock if you're used to Western culture, even at the workplace. I'm not sure, but i think if you're used to the 40 hour week and expect to be left alone outside of what you HAVE to do, you'll get frowned upon. Not to mention the little things like greetings and social etiquette. I'd recommend taking a good, long and hard look at that before even thinking about it.
China just seems like a step back at the moment. As far as work goes it's even worse than Japan, and civil rights ARE limited, wherever you come from. If you go there, make sure it's worth it - Again, do research.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Motaka
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.08 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Eomar
UK is ok, depending on where you go.
I lived in the netherlands for 6 months, hated every second of it.
even hated amsterdam - overpriced, smack head infested, sleazepit.
came back to scotland, which, for the record, is considerably nicer than wales ;)
Cant really comment on japan or china, as ive never lived in either, however from what I understand the culture takes some getting used to.
Having lived/worked in a good chunk of this planet and loved/hated various parts of it, i'd say the only way youll really know is to try it.
At the end of the day, if it doesnt work out you can always move on. (current economic climate notwithstanding.)
Oh yeah. to experience european cultures move to EUROPE not UK, i'll have no truck with that foriegn rubbish on my sovreign soil ;)
Ahhh Scotland,the only country we cant give away.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.08 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu
I'll have to renounce my current citizenship with the U.S They do not allow dual citizenships. Quote:
Just don't tell them, or if they want a declaration from you then sign it and don't "officially" renounce your other nationality.
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And also - how are asian people treated in Europe? Will I get strange looks or face some racial prejudice?
Most people honsestly couldn't care less where you are from or what race you are.
You might get the odd narrow-minded comment from a drunken kid, but I would estimate that incidents like this are few and far between.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.04.08 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir
Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 07/04/2009 19:39:48
UK: backwards society stuck half-way between Na-zism and Barbarism, and that's in the modernised parts. Also fascist government that nobody wants in the EU. The only country that is a total waste of space in Europe.
Japan: Highest(?) suicide rate on earth, performance-based depressing meritocratic society. Also racist as hell, like me. But I guess you're Japanese if you can acquire citizenship, so that shouldn't be an issue. Reminds me very much of the US, especially as I've never been there and know nothing about the place.
Netherlands: Pretty nice place. Legalised soft drugs, invented Club music and compared to some other parts of Europe is actually the hight of civilisation
Seriously, stay in the USA, it's the last LULZ country on Earth, and I'm not even from the USA (have no idea what I'm on about but plan on moving there soon).
EDIT: Try Canada, I am sure they can't possibly as ignorant as I am.
There you go, I fixed your post for you. You may now pay me a few hundred million.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.04.08 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: overcorpse
Edited by: overcorpse on 08/04/2009 00:04:45
Yeah living in the UK sucks.I dont know how i cope.
I have no idea how the Guilford Four could possibly have any grudges against the UK either, it's such a great place! Or all those people who are leaving the UK because they're fed up... I must be imagining things.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.08 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir
stay in the USA, it's the last civilised country on Earth
I take it you've never been to or talked with anybody that lived in Japan for a while...
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.04.08 10:08:00 -
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For any serious discussions in regards to China/Japan, or East-Asia in general, please contact me and I will do my best to shed some light. I will not give my identity away and will discuss things through this character only.
Wu I have sent you a mail.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.04.08 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
There's quite a bit wrong with this country.
What's not wrong with his country? If you ask Madonna she will say she loves the UK, but which 0 tax paying person wouldn't say they loved the UK? I spent 2.5 extemely long and horrible years in the UK. I can, honestly, say that I will never ever set foot in the UK again out of my own free will. It was the most restrictive country I have ever been to and I have lived in quite a few countries.
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
There are worse places to live.
From what I have heard of Sweden that country seems to be worse than the UK, or Australia.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.08 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tallaran Kouros on 08/04/2009 10:32:50
Originally by: Super Whopper
I spent 2.5 extemely long and horrible years in the UK. I can, honestly, say that I will never ever set foot in the UK again out of my own free will.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
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It was the most restrictive country I have ever been to and I have lived in quite a few countries.
Restrictive *how*?
Can you quantify that with specific examples of things that you were restricted from doing?
Obvious comments along the lines of "boo hoo I can't own a firearm" don't count.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.04.08 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Restrictive *how*?
Can you quantify that with specific examples of things that you were restricted from doing?
Obvious comments along the lines of "boo hoo I can't own a firearm" don't count.
Restrictive as in
- people getting arrested in Speakers Corner for speaking against the government
- anti war demonstrators getting arrested
- demonstrator(s) their placards broken by the police because the government doesn't like them protesting (does the name Brian Haw ring a bell?)
- political correctness stiffling all forms of speech (and guess who decides what is politically correct... oh yes, you guess it right, it's the.......... government!!)
With 75% of the British people on anti-depressants I don't see how anyone could possibly make a case in favour of the UK. That is the thing that I remember the most about the UK: people walk with slumped shoulders, looking unhappy and miserable. People in the Netherlands walk upright and smile, unlike the UK where people need Prozac to even try.
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overcorpse
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Posted - 2009.04.08 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: overcorpse on 08/04/2009 11:20:58
Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: overcorpse
Edited by: overcorpse on 08/04/2009 00:04:45
Yeah living in the UK sucks.I dont know how i cope.
I have no idea how the Guilford Four could possibly have any grudges against the UK either, it's such a great place! Or all those people who are leaving the UK because they're fed up... I must be imagining things.
Seriously who the **** are you?and what the **** has a case from the seventies got to do with anything.And to add insult to injury your a ****ing yank that probably dosent even know where canada is let alone the UK.
Plz back up your assertions that everyone is leaving in droves with hard facts and not some incoherent ramblings from out of pod.
Now go and mistreat your kids some more.
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Motaka
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.08 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Restrictive *how*?
Can you quantify that with specific examples of things that you were restricted from doing?
Obvious comments along the lines of "boo hoo I can't own a firearm" don't count.
Restrictive as in
- people getting arrested in Speakers Corner for speaking against the government
- anti war demonstrators getting arrested
- demonstrator(s) their placards broken by the police because the government doesn't like them protesting (does the name Brian Haw ring a bell?)
- political correctness stiffling all forms of speech (and guess who decides what is politically correct... oh yes, you guess it right, it's the.......... government!!)
With 75% of the British people on anti-depressants I don't see how anyone could possibly make a case in favour of the UK. That is the thing that I remember the most about the UK: people walk with slumped shoulders, looking unhappy and miserable. People in the Netherlands walk upright and smile, unlike the UK where people need Prozac to even try.
Your vitriol and hatred for the UK is amusing,still bitter for 1812?
75%,Please explain to me how you came up with that magic number.75% would mean that my 8 year old and her mates are all popping prozac just to muster the energy for hop scotch.And your from a nation that has no right to lecture ANYONE on taking away civil liberities.
Now go away you little peon and troll elsewhere.
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Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Motaka
Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Restrictive *how*?
Can you quantify that with specific examples of things that you were restricted from doing?
Obvious comments along the lines of "boo hoo I can't own a firearm" don't count.
Restrictive as in
- people getting arrested in Speakers Corner for speaking against the government
- anti war demonstrators getting arrested
- demonstrator(s) their placards broken by the police because the government doesn't like them protesting (does the name Brian Haw ring a bell?)
- political correctness stiffling all forms of speech (and guess who decides what is politically correct... oh yes, you guess it right, it's the.......... government!!)
With 75% of the British people on anti-depressants I don't see how anyone could possibly make a case in favour of the UK. That is the thing that I remember the most about the UK: people walk with slumped shoulders, looking unhappy and miserable. People in the Netherlands walk upright and smile, unlike the UK where people need Prozac to even try.
Your vitriol and hatred for the UK is amusing,still bitter for 1812?
75%,Please explain to me how you came up with that magic number.75% would mean that my 8 year old and her mates are all popping prozac just to muster the energy for hop scotch.And your from a nation that has no right to lecture ANYONE on taking away civil liberities.
Now go away you little peon and troll elsewhere.
I don't know anyone in my extended family that are taking anti-depressants, so, 75%, no.
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