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Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Super Whopper Restrictive as in - people getting arrested in Speakers Corner for speaking against the government I refuse to believe that anyone would be arrested at Speakers Corner for "speaking against the government". If they were an extremist spouting hate, or were aggressive, or had been warned by the Police then possibly, but we don't just arrest people for the "crime" of disagreeing with the government. Please provide an example and a citation where this has happened and someone has been arrested at Speakers Corner just for disagreeing with the government and with no aggravating factors. Quote: - anti war demonstrators getting arrested Again, please provide a citation and an example of where this happened. Most anti-war demonstrators I hear about getting arrested have generally been arrested for committing a blatant criminal offense, such as breaking into Faslane and running around Trident nuclear submarines. We don't just arrest people for protesting against War. Quote: - demonstrator(s) their placards broken by the police because the government doesn't like them protesting (does the name Brian Haw ring a bell?) Yes it rings a bell. Does the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 ring a bell to you? The size of his protest was outwith the size permitted in the above Act and the police acted entirely legally. Now, I'm happy to admit that passing legislation to try and get rid of Brian was heavy handed and the Government should not have done this - it was not nescesarry and backhanded but he knew the law had been changed and he chose not to comply with it... Quote: - political correctness stiffling all forms of speech (and guess who decides what is politically correct... oh yes, you guess it right, it's the.......... government!!) Again, please give me specific examples and citations as I don't find my free speech curtailed by the government (or anyone else for that matter) deciding what is or is not politically correct. Quote: With 75% of the British people on anti-depressants I don't see how anyone could possibly make a case in favour of the UK. Huh? Did you just pull this one out of your arse or something? As I said in my original post, show me specific examples from reputable sources.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:53:00 - [32] Edited by: Super Whopper on 08/04/2009 11:54:24 Research is so hard to do. Thanks for proving my point guys. Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Does the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 ring a bell to you?
Magnus Nordir Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Captain Hudson The 1% of the British Population that is muslim are going to take power and install islamic law any day now, or at least thats what you think when you read the Daily Mail Try three percent. And it doesn't matter really, where there's one there'll be ten once they tell their extended family in the backwards ****hole they crawled from about the politically correct paradise in the UK. Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Super Whopper Edited by: Super Whopper on 08/04/2009 11:54:24 Research is so hard to do. Thanks for proving my point guys. Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Does the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 ring a bell to you? Except I asked YOU to provide specific occasions where YOU have been restricted from doing something - you failed to do this. I replied to each of your vague allegations with a response and you think your point has been proved?
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. I'd be interested in you replacing Muslim with Jew there and for you to consider just who you sound like, but I would rather not invoke Godwin's Law.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Benco97 The UK isn't as bad as everyone makes out, yes there are problems but you'll get along just fine here. Personally I live in Wales and I find it hard to believe that there could be any place nicer, Beautiful views, beautiful air, friendly people, not overpopulated... Wales is lovely so long as you're not in somewhere like Swansea or some parts of Cardiff. The problem most people seem to have (I.E Shanzam) is that they live in rough places and like to moan, assuming that everywhere MUST be the same as where they are currently. It isn't, There are many nice places to live in England, Wales or Scotland. However, you are from the US... you may find the UK a little boring when compared to america, we aren't as loud or brightly coloured, our weather isn't as hot and there will be numerous little things that you'll miss once you're here. Ultimately it's up to you but please don't go only on what some jaded twerps tell you, I've no reason to lie to you, I didn't CHOOSE to live in the UK, I have no "Buyers remorse". I can move out of the country any time I want but I don't want to, It's nice here. There are much, MUCH worse places to live, if those people saying just how terrible the UK is don't believe that then they are welcome to go visit them themselves. This, pretty much. Personally I have no desire to live anywhere else int he world, and I have lived in other countries. British people love to complain, but I think the whiners take a lot for granted. A few hundred thousand people leave the UK every year, as papers like the Daily Mail love to tell us. What they don't mention is that something like 80% come back. There are some total ****-hole ghettos in British cities, that's for sure. It's not mandatory to live in them (if you can relocate to New Zealand, you can goddamb well relocate out to a nice place in the UK, dumbasses). Agreed our government are lying, blathering venal incompetents - show me the country where this is NOT the case...
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd.	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:15:00 - [37] Edited by: Xen Gin on 08/04/2009 12:15:45 Originally by: Benco97 Wales is lovely so long as you're not in somewhere like Swansea or some parts of Cardiff. If anyone wants to live in Cardiff, don't go for Ely, St Mellons (not Old St Mellons, thats nice!) or Butetown. If you can afford it the Bay is stunning, and the parks out towards Roath and Penylan are great, and Cyncoed is like millionaires row. Massive houses and very large gardens.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:17:00 - [38] Edited by: Motaka on 08/04/2009 12:20:38 Originally by: Magnus Nordir Originally by: Captain Hudson The 1% of the British Population that is muslim are going to take power and install islamic law any day now, or at least thats what you think when you read the Daily Mail Try three percent. And it doesn't matter really, where there's one there'll be ten once they tell their extended family in the backwards ****hole they crawled from about the politically correct paradise in the UK. Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. 3 percent is alot lower than 10 percent. Superwhopper you are an incoherent pleb that i would love to see on youtube getting a 'Rodney King'.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Magnus Nordir Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. I'd be interested in you replacing Muslim with Jew there and for you to consider just who you sound like, but I would rather not invoke Godwin's Law. Trouble is hes not wrong.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Motaka Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Magnus Nordir Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. I'd be interested in you replacing Muslim with Jew there and for you to consider just who you sound like, but I would rather not invoke Godwin's Law. Trouble is hes not wrong. Really? How many Muslims have you personally met, spoke to or socialised? I have Muslim friends and have both worked with and worked for Muslims. The local mosque (Edinburgh) runs a fantastic, cheap and tasty cafe where people of all faiths and backgrounds go to for lunch every day. I have went inside and spoke to some of the local community about what they believe in and why because I was genuinely curious. Not a single Muslim I have ever spoken to, socialised with or worked with wants Sharia law or wants to "take over" the UK like the Daily Mail likes to report. In fact, the one thing that most of them want more than anything is for people to stop demonising them and to let them get on with their lives, just like anyone else. Now I don't wear rose-tinted glasses and I won't pretend that there AREN'T extremists out there, or preachers of hate that visit Britain's mosques whipping up anti-west sentiment and inciting Jihad, but the vast, vast majority of Muslims are normal everyday people like you and me.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 13:36:00 - [41] Edited by: Motaka on 08/04/2009 13:40:31 Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Motaka Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Magnus Nordir Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. I'd be interested in you replacing Muslim with Jew there and for you to consider just who you sound like, but I would rather not invoke Godwin's Law. Trouble is hes not wrong. Now I don't wear rose-tinted glasses and I won't pretend that there AREN'T extremists out there, or preachers of hate that visit Britain's mosques whipping up anti-west sentiment and inciting Jihad, but the vast, vast majority of Muslims are normal everyday people like you and me. Edit Politics on forums are bad.
Magnus Nordir Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 13:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Magnus Nordir Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. I'd be interested in you replacing Muslim with Jew there and for you to consider just who you sound like, but I would rather not invoke Godwin's Law. Jews are a civilised people with a civilised religion they're capable of having a debate on - and most of them aren't even that religious to start with. Muslims are uncivilised barbarians who murder people who dare insult their cult - and hold institutional capital punishment for blasphemy in their countries. I fail to see the relation, besides your (rather stealthy) invocation of Godwin's law.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 13:57:00 - [43] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Muslims are uncivilised barbarians who murder people who dare insult their cult - and hold institutional capital punishment for blasphemy in their countries. I'm sorry, but this just hasn't been my experience of any Muslim that I have ever met here in the UK or elsewhere. I already said that I won't deny that extremist Muslims do exist, but if you go to Israel then you will encounter extremist Zionists who are just as bad as their Muslim counterparts, but they don't represent the majority either. Don't tar the majority with the wrongdoings of a minority.
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:21:00 - [44] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Not a single Muslim I have ever spoken to, socialised with or worked with wants Sharia law or wants to "take over" the UK like the Daily Mail likes to report. Originally by: Magnus Nordir Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. I think the truth is somewhere in between. I've had a lot of contact with the UK Muslim population on a personal and business basis. Firstly you have to remember there are generational differences. There are big cultural differences, but the younger and later generations coming through are slowly encompassing more of "western" culture, especially the girls. There is also a lot of ignorance, with many not having read the Koran in a language they can understand, they have just had passages read to them in Arabic, plus they are generally from low socio-economic backgrounds. To be honest I don't know how anyone can read the Koran and come away thinking that there is not a problem - if you believe in this fairytale world of moderation then please just read it. The big problems in the Muslim's culture is their attitude to women, which to me is abhorrent, and their unenlightened (reference to Christian Enlightenment) approach to religion where interpretation of their religious text is forbidden In brief, as UK Muslims become wealthier and better educated, their cultural integration will increase - I hope.
Magnus Nordir Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:26:00 - [45] Originally by: Florio In brief, as UK Muslims become wealthier and better educated, their cultural integration will increase - I hope. What we need is less muslims in our countries, not richer and more powerful muslims.
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:34:00 - [46] Why is that Magnus?
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Magnus Nordir What we need is less muslims in our countries, not richer and more powerful muslims. Oh wow... this is going to go places.. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Magnus Nordir Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Florio Why is that Magnus? Because their beliefs and values aren't compatible with any interpretation of freedom, or the universal declaration of human rights for that matter.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:41:00 - [49] I do not want any group whose defining characteristic is their chosen religion to have significant power in my country. Fortunately, in this as in many things, good and bad, Ireland appears to be behind the UK. It wasn't that long ago that we were in that state... though at least that time it was 'our' religion in control. - DesuSigs
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Because their beliefs and values aren't compatible with any interpretation of freedom, or the universal declaration of human rights for that matter. You're tarring a lot of muslims with one brush. There is another view which is that there is a progression of culture over generations that will see beliefs and values becoming more integrated with western culture. We can try to facilitate that or we can divide up the world and blow each other up. I can see why you come up with your views though Magnus, but I believe there is a bigger picture.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:50:00 - [51] I respect everyone's ideas and beliefs, as long as they keep them to themselves. The second they start saying something like "anyone thinking differently is worse than a dog and should be dealt with" or trying to pressure others into their beliefs they lost my respect. Self-proclaimed idiot
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:37:00 - [52] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Originally by: Florio Why is that Magnus? Because their beliefs and values aren't compatible with any interpretation of freedom, or the universal declaration of human rights for that matter. Strange then, how Mohammad Sarwar was able to become the UK's first Muslim MP with beliefs and values that are so incompatible with his fellow MPs...
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:41:00 - [53] UK is a good country to live if you just don't live in the cities. Stay to the countryside, or small towns, and you'll have a happy existence. Biggest thing I dislike about USA is the capitalism, and if that bothers you then you will probably hate Japan too. I cannot comment much about China, besides that their government scares me with that much power. All the Chinese students I've met in UK are nice though, although I expect they were the top of the countries output. Netherlands is nice, but very into taxes and social welfare. Personally I am debating where to move to eventually, looks like either Ireland, New Zealand or Canada.
Magnus Nordir Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:44:00 - [54] Originally by: TimMc Biggest thing I dislike about USA is the capitalism, and if that bothers you then you will probably hate Japan too. What the hell do you mean by "disliking" capitalism? The only people who have a genuine reason to dislike capitalism are the lazy poor people who want others to deal with their problems. Unless you're both poor and lazy, there's no reason to dislike capitalism.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 17:12:00 - [55] Edited by: Motaka on 08/04/2009 17:18:25 Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Magnus Nordir Originally by: Florio Why is that Magnus? Because their beliefs and values aren't compatible with any interpretation of freedom, or the universal declaration of human rights for that matter. Strange then, how Mohammad Sarwar was able to become the UK's first Muslim MP with beliefs and values that are so incompatible with his fellow MPs... Of the seven Glasgow consituencies, Glasgow Central has the largest ethnic minority population,who would of thought that Mohammad Sarwar would get electedDid he rig this election like he did in 2001.
Jack Caldwell	Posted - 2009.04.08 18:00:00 - [56] Edited by: Jack Caldwell on 08/04/2009 18:00:02 Originally by: Magnus Nordir Seriously, stay in the USA, it's the last civilised country on Earth, I see you misspelled "least" there. ZING!
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.04.08 18:50:00 - [57] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Originally by: Florio In brief, as UK Muslims become wealthier and better educated, their cultural integration will increase - I hope. What we need is less muslims in our countries, not richer and more powerful muslims. Have you ever even MET a muslim, or do you just take your opinions from the deranged rantings of the Daily Mail? ____________________
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 19:01:00 - [58] wasnt mohammed sawar caught vote rigging ? or was it taking bribes ...i cant rember which... then theres keith vaz .... what was he caught out again fraud i think ?... and then there`s lord ali what did he do again.... ahhh yes ..thats right ...killed a guy on the motorway while talking on his mobile phone ... and guess what ...he escaped a prison sentence ....hmmm when i get older i want to be a member of parliment destroy everything you touch
Bodrul Caldari Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2009.04.08 19:53:00 - [59] Originally by: jason hill well i wouldnt suggest the UK atm were all trying to get out ! dont let the door hit you where the good lord split ya on the way out of the UK WIN 100 Mill ISK, FREE ENTRY
Bodrul Caldari Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:03:00 - [60] Originally by: Magnus Nordir UK/Netherlands: Along with the rest of Europe, slowly turning into a muslim caliphate thanks to the uncivilised hordes of immigrants from the middle east/north africa. here is someone that doesnt know anything about Muslims Middle east = fraction of Muslims and same with north africa, as a British Muslim, i take offence to your crap you just posted. Originally by: Captain Hudson It is? i had not noticed. The 1% of the British Population that is muslim are going to take power and install islamic law any day now, or at least thats what you think when you read the Daily Mail thought that would be the SUN :P Daily mail are the Libral paper lol Originally by: Magnus Nordir Try three percent. And it doesn't matter really, where there's one there'll be ten once they tell their extended family in the backwards **hole they crawled from about the politically correct paradise in the UK. Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. Cant get more **ed then that muslim hole? wounder what hole you crawled from, you better get back to your camp after reading most your crap i wouldnt be supprised if you didnt belong to some ** club WIN 100 Mill ISK, FREE ENTRY

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