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Wu Jiaqiu Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:01:00 - [1] Well my family moving out of the U.S soon permanantly within the next two years to Japan and China. The reason why is because my family has property there and we want to make a living with our relatives back home. Of course the Chinese side of my family and Japanese is going to split. Japan was my first choice, but if I get my citizenship there (Which I can right away because my uncle has connections) I'll have to renounce my current citizenship with the U.S They do not allow dual citizenships. My family owns a nice house there, and I'll probably work as an interpreter for my uncles company. If I go to China, I can't play EVE on tranquility. Which sucks, but my cousin owns a business there and a club in Hong Kong. I can make a lot of money and have fun. I do also want to live in the U.K or Netherlands because I want something different and to experience European cultures. So what are some good things about the U.K and Netherlands over China and Japan? And also - how are asian people treated in Europe? Will I get strange looks or face some racial prejudice?
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:04:00 - [2] well i wouldnt suggest the UK atm were all trying to get out ! destroy everything you touch
Thoma Katch Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:12:00 - [3] I'm from the UK and I would say that in general the the oriental (Our word for Chinese/Japanese with Asian used to describe people from India and that kind of area) manage to intergrate reasonably well into our society and if they do choose to keep to themselves then they seem to do it in a way that nobody seems to mind. Tension only really arises when we feel like our way of life is being undermined by ethnic groups that don't understand the its up to them to fit in with our society and not the other way around.
Wu Jiaqiu Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:15:00 - [4] Originally by: jason hill well i wouldnt suggest the UK atm were all trying to get out ! Why? I'd like to hear more details please. =]
Magnus Nordir Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:37:00 - [5] Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 07/04/2009 19:39:48 China: backwards society stuck half-way between communism and civilisation, and that's in the modernised parts. Also fascist government that shoots you and sells your organs on ebay for shoplifting/jaywalking. The only country that executes more people than the USA. Japan: Highest(?) suicide rate on earth, performance-based depressing meritocratic society. Also racist as hell, but I guess you're Japanese if you can acquire citizenship, so that shouldn't be an issue. UK/Netherlands: Along with the rest of Europe, slowly turning into a muslim caliphate thanks to the uncivilised hordes of immigrants from the middle east/north africa. Seriously, stay in the USA, it's the last civilised country on Earth, and I'm not even American (but plan on moving there soon). EDIT: Try Canada, they love asians.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.04.07 19:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu Originally by: jason hill well i wouldnt suggest the UK atm were all trying to get out ! Why? I'd like to hear more details please. =] Talk to Shanzam/David Kang. There's quite a bit wrong with this country (big government, ridiculous tax, etc), but if you manage to see past the Daily Mail's demented howlings, you'll see it isn't as bad as people like to make out. There are worse places to live. That said, if I were in your shoes, I'd go with China Or Japan. The food is better over there, and the women better looking. ____________________
TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.04.07 20:05:00 - [7] Originally by: jason hill well i wouldnt suggest the UK atm were all trying to get out ! i would second that... i have been looking at Germany or even a bit further east(subject to the Gas still being on;) CCP made little baby jesus cry by nerfing ghost training
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.07 20:23:00 - [8] The UK isn't as bad as everyone makes out, yes there are problems but you'll get along just fine here. Personally I live in Wales and I find it hard to believe that there could be any place nicer, Beautiful views, beautiful air, friendly people, not overpopulated... Wales is lovely so long as you're not in somewhere like Swansea or some parts of Cardiff. The problem most people seem to have (I.E Shanzam) is that they live in rough places and like to moan, assuming that everywhere MUST be the same as where they are currently. It isn't, There are many nice places to live in England, Wales or Scotland. However, you are from the US... you may find the UK a little boring when compared to america, we aren't as loud or brightly coloured, our weather isn't as hot and there will be numerous little things that you'll miss once you're here. Ultimately it's up to you but please don't go only on what some jaded twerps tell you, I've no reason to lie to you, I didn't CHOOSE to live in the UK, I have no "Buyers remorse". I can move out of the country any time I want but I don't want to, It's nice here. There are much, MUCH worse places to live, if those people saying just how terrible the UK is don't believe that then they are welcome to go visit them themselves. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Thoma Katch Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2009.04.07 20:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Benco97 However, you are from the US... you may find the UK a little boring when compared to america, we aren't as loud or brightly coloured, our weather isn't as hot and there will be numerous little things that you'll miss once you're here. Scandalous lies! I used to go caravaning to Pwllheli when I was little with my family and the sand used to get so hot on the beach during the summer you couldn't stand still for more than few seconds. Also don't give away that Wales is actually a very nice place to visit.
Thorliaron Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.04.07 21:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 07/04/2009 19:39:48 China: backwards society stuck half-way between communism and civilisation, and that's in the modernised parts. Also fascist government that shoots you and sells your organs on ebay for shoplifting/jaywalking. The only country that executes more people than the USA. Japan: Highest(?) suicide rate on earth, performance-based depressing meritocratic society. Also racist as hell, but I guess you're Japanese if you can acquire citizenship, so that shouldn't be an issue. UK/Netherlands: Along with the rest of Europe, slowly turning into a muslim caliphate thanks to the uncivilised hordes of immigrants from the middle east/north africa. Seriously, stay in the USA, it's the last civilised country on Earth, and I'm not even American (but plan on moving there soon). EDIT: Try Canada, they love asians. good troll
xplosiv	Posted - 2009.04.07 21:26:00 - [11] Netherlands. Don't touch the UK. It's a mess here. China is to much of a risk could go any direction and many of them bad. Jpn you won't like it after living in the west for a long time. US is a big place. Could try a diffrent state. New Zealand or Canada are good.
Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.04.07 22:28:00 - [12] Originally by: xplosiv US is a big place. Could try a diffrent state. New Zealand or Canada are good. Badly spaced paragraph break makes it seem as if we annexed Canada Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
overcorpse	Posted - 2009.04.07 23:19:00 - [13] Originally by: xplosiv Netherlands. Don't touch the UK. It's a mess here. China is to much of a risk could go any direction and many of them bad. Jpn you won't like it after living in the west for a long time. US is a big place. Could try a diffrent state. New Zealand or Canada are good. I'm getting a bit miffed with all the whingeing idiots on these forums going on about how bad Blighty is.If you dont like it sod off to germany or what not,seriously GTFO.
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd.	Posted - 2009.04.07 23:27:00 - [14] Originally by: overcorpse Originally by: xplosiv Netherlands. Don't touch the UK. It's a mess here. China is to much of a risk could go any direction and many of them bad. Jpn you won't like it after living in the west for a long time. US is a big place. Could try a diffrent state. New Zealand or Canada are good. I'm getting a bit miffed with all the whingeing idiots on these forums going on about how bad Blighty is.If you dont like it sod off to germany or what not,seriously GTFO. I keep telling David Kang the same thing too. He could easily up sticks and move to Germany, but says he's 'saving' up, I don't know how he is saving with all those extraordinary taxes that leave him with nothing but a minimum weekly allowance, or so he says.
Captain Hudson Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.04.07 23:47:00 - [15] Edited by: Captain Hudson on 07/04/2009 23:47:41 Originally by: xplosiv Netherlands. Don't touch the UK. It's a mess here. China is to much of a risk could go any direction and many of them bad. Jpn you won't like it after living in the west for a long time. US is a big place. Could try a diffrent state. New Zealand or Canada are good. It is? i had not noticed. The 1% of the British Population that is muslim are going to take power and install islamic law any day now, or at least thats what you think when you read the Daily Mail Iv found him
overcorpse	Posted - 2009.04.07 23:58:00 - [16] Yeah living in the UK sucks.I dont know i how i cope.
Eomar Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.04.08 01:24:00 - [17] UK is ok, depending on where you go. I lived in the netherlands for 6 months, hated every second of it. even hated amsterdam - overpriced, smack head infested, sleazepit. came back to scotland, which, for the record, is considerably nicer than wales ;) Cant really comment on japan or china, as ive never lived in either, however from what I understand the culture takes some getting used to. Having lived/worked in a good chunk of this planet and loved/hated various parts of it, i'd say the only way youll really know is to try it. At the end of the day, if it doesnt work out you can always move on. (current economic climate notwithstanding.) Oh yeah. to experience european cultures move to EUROPE not UK, i'll have no truck with that foriegn rubbish on my sovreign soil ;)
Reiisha Evolution KenZoku	Posted - 2009.04.08 09:18:00 - [18] Edited by: Reiisha on 08/04/2009 09:26:24 Netherlands is a nice and quiet place in most parts. If you're going to live in the Randstad (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Utrecht), best live outside of the major city centers, and move to one of the smaller towns around. If you look around on the outside, you can find some very nice places outside of Zuid and Noord-Holland. Personally i'd recommend taking a look at Limburg, it's a very convenient area adjacent to Belgium and Germany, and it's quite a nice landscape in the southern most parts, particularly near Vaals. The political situation is a little boring, but the whole "muslim here, immigrant that" thing is pretty much centered around the big cities like Amsterdam and Rotterdam. I live in Leiden (pretty much in the middle of them), and i haven't actually seen a single issue about that yet. And even IN Amster and Rotterdam it's an issue, but not so much of a problem, as many people make it out to be - At least, not yet. I do admit that the government has forgotten that immigrants move to the Netherlands, and not another part of the middle east. It's very disheartening to see that little by little they're allowing a lot of minority groups to essentially terraform the places they live into miniature versions of the places they came from. But, as i said, that's in the big cities, not so much outside of them. Personally i can't really imagine living anywhere else. Very chilled out place if you avoid Amsterdam and Rotterdam :) I can't comment on the UK, some people i know are planning on leaving, some never want to leave. I think there it's also very dependant on WHERE in the UK you live. Japan will be a culture shock if you're used to Western culture, even at the workplace. I'm not sure, but i think if you're used to the 40 hour week and expect to be left alone outside of what you HAVE to do, you'll get frowned upon. Not to mention the little things like greetings and social etiquette. I'd recommend taking a good, long and hard look at that before even thinking about it. China just seems like a step back at the moment. As far as work goes it's even worse than Japan, and civil rights ARE limited, wherever you come from. If you go there, make sure it's worth it - Again, do research. "If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 09:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Eomar UK is ok, depending on where you go. I lived in the netherlands for 6 months, hated every second of it. even hated amsterdam - overpriced, smack head infested, sleazepit. came back to scotland, which, for the record, is considerably nicer than wales ;) Cant really comment on japan or china, as ive never lived in either, however from what I understand the culture takes some getting used to. Having lived/worked in a good chunk of this planet and loved/hated various parts of it, i'd say the only way youll really know is to try it. At the end of the day, if it doesnt work out you can always move on. (current economic climate notwithstanding.) Oh yeah. to experience european cultures move to EUROPE not UK, i'll have no truck with that foriegn rubbish on my sovreign soil ;) Ahhh Scotland,the only country we cant give away.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 09:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu I'll have to renounce my current citizenship with the U.S They do not allow dual citizenships. Quote: Just don't tell them, or if they want a declaration from you then sign it and don't "officially" renounce your other nationality. Quote: And also - how are asian people treated in Europe? Will I get strange looks or face some racial prejudice? Most people honsestly couldn't care less where you are from or what race you are. You might get the odd narrow-minded comment from a drunken kid, but I would estimate that incidents like this are few and far between.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.04.08 09:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 07/04/2009 19:39:48 UK: backwards society stuck half-way between Na-zism and Barbarism, and that's in the modernised parts. Also fascist government that nobody wants in the EU. The only country that is a total waste of space in Europe. Japan: Highest(?) suicide rate on earth, performance-based depressing meritocratic society. Also racist as hell, like me. But I guess you're Japanese if you can acquire citizenship, so that shouldn't be an issue. Reminds me very much of the US, especially as I've never been there and know nothing about the place. Netherlands: Pretty nice place. Legalised soft drugs, invented Club music and compared to some other parts of Europe is actually the hight of civilisation Seriously, stay in the USA, it's the last LULZ country on Earth, and I'm not even from the USA (have no idea what I'm on about but plan on moving there soon). EDIT: Try Canada, I am sure they can't possibly as ignorant as I am. There you go, I fixed your post for you. You may now pay me a few hundred million.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:03:00 - [22] Originally by: overcorpse Edited by: overcorpse on 08/04/2009 00:04:45 Yeah living in the UK sucks.I dont know how i cope. I have no idea how the Guilford Four could possibly have any grudges against the UK either, it's such a great place! Or all those people who are leaving the UK because they're fed up... I must be imagining things.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Magnus Nordir stay in the USA, it's the last civilised country on Earth I take it you've never been to or talked with anybody that lived in Japan for a while... _ The problem with EVE \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:08:00 - [24] For any serious discussions in regards to China/Japan, or East-Asia in general, please contact me and I will do my best to shed some light. I will not give my identity away and will discuss things through this character only. Wu I have sent you a mail.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:19:00 - [25] Originally by: ReaperOfSly There's quite a bit wrong with this country. What's not wrong with his country? If you ask Madonna she will say she loves the UK, but which 0 tax paying person wouldn't say they loved the UK? I spent 2.5 extemely long and horrible years in the UK. I can, honestly, say that I will never ever set foot in the UK again out of my own free will. It was the most restrictive country I have ever been to and I have lived in quite a few countries. Originally by: ReaperOfSly There are worse places to live. From what I have heard of Sweden that country seems to be worse than the UK, or Australia.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:32:00 - [26] Edited by: Tallaran Kouros on 08/04/2009 10:32:50 Originally by: Super Whopper I spent 2.5 extemely long and horrible years in the UK. I can, honestly, say that I will never ever set foot in the UK again out of my own free will. I'm sorry you feel that way. Quote: It was the most restrictive country I have ever been to and I have lived in quite a few countries. Restrictive how? Can you quantify that with specific examples of things that you were restricted from doing? Obvious comments along the lines of "boo hoo I can't own a firearm" don't count.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Restrictive how? Can you quantify that with specific examples of things that you were restricted from doing? Obvious comments along the lines of "boo hoo I can't own a firearm" don't count. Restrictive as in - people getting arrested in Speakers Corner for speaking against the government - anti war demonstrators getting arrested - demonstrator(s) their placards broken by the police because the government doesn't like them protesting (does the name Brian Haw ring a bell?) - political correctness stiffling all forms of speech (and guess who decides what is politically correct... oh yes, you guess it right, it's the.......... government!!) With 75% of the British people on anti-depressants I don't see how anyone could possibly make a case in favour of the UK. That is the thing that I remember the most about the UK: people walk with slumped shoulders, looking unhappy and miserable. People in the Netherlands walk upright and smile, unlike the UK where people need Prozac to even try.
overcorpse	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:20:00 - [28] Edited by: overcorpse on 08/04/2009 11:20:58 Originally by: Super Whopper Originally by: overcorpse Edited by: overcorpse on 08/04/2009 00:04:45 Yeah living in the UK sucks.I dont know how i cope. I have no idea how the Guilford Four could possibly have any grudges against the UK either, it's such a great place! Or all those people who are leaving the UK because they're fed up... I must be imagining things. Seriously who the ** are you?and what the has a case from the seventies got to do with anything.And to add insult to injury your a **ing yank that probably dosent even know where canada is let alone the UK. Plz back up your assertions that everyone is leaving in droves with hard facts and not some incoherent ramblings from out of pod. Now go and mistreat your kids some more.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Super Whopper Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Restrictive how? Can you quantify that with specific examples of things that you were restricted from doing? Obvious comments along the lines of "boo hoo I can't own a firearm" don't count. Restrictive as in - people getting arrested in Speakers Corner for speaking against the government - anti war demonstrators getting arrested - demonstrator(s) their placards broken by the police because the government doesn't like them protesting (does the name Brian Haw ring a bell?) - political correctness stiffling all forms of speech (and guess who decides what is politically correct... oh yes, you guess it right, it's the.......... government!!) With 75% of the British people on anti-depressants I don't see how anyone could possibly make a case in favour of the UK. That is the thing that I remember the most about the UK: people walk with slumped shoulders, looking unhappy and miserable. People in the Netherlands walk upright and smile, unlike the UK where people need Prozac to even try. Your vitriol and hatred for the UK is amusing,still bitter for 1812? 75%,Please explain to me how you came up with that magic number.75% would mean that my 8 year old and her mates are all popping prozac just to muster the energy for hop scotch.And your from a nation that has no right to lecture ANYONE on taking away civil liberities. Now go away you little peon and troll elsewhere.
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd.	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Motaka Originally by: Super Whopper Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Restrictive how? Can you quantify that with specific examples of things that you were restricted from doing? Obvious comments along the lines of "boo hoo I can't own a firearm" don't count. Restrictive as in - people getting arrested in Speakers Corner for speaking against the government - anti war demonstrators getting arrested - demonstrator(s) their placards broken by the police because the government doesn't like them protesting (does the name Brian Haw ring a bell?) - political correctness stiffling all forms of speech (and guess who decides what is politically correct... oh yes, you guess it right, it's the.......... government!!) With 75% of the British people on anti-depressants I don't see how anyone could possibly make a case in favour of the UK. That is the thing that I remember the most about the UK: people walk with slumped shoulders, looking unhappy and miserable. People in the Netherlands walk upright and smile, unlike the UK where people need Prozac to even try. Your vitriol and hatred for the UK is amusing,still bitter for 1812? 75%,Please explain to me how you came up with that magic number.75% would mean that my 8 year old and her mates are all popping prozac just to muster the energy for hop scotch.And your from a nation that has no right to lecture ANYONE on taking away civil liberities. Now go away you little peon and troll elsewhere. I don't know anyone in my extended family that are taking anti-depressants, so, 75%, no.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Super Whopper Restrictive as in - people getting arrested in Speakers Corner for speaking against the government I refuse to believe that anyone would be arrested at Speakers Corner for "speaking against the government". If they were an extremist spouting hate, or were aggressive, or had been warned by the Police then possibly, but we don't just arrest people for the "crime" of disagreeing with the government. Please provide an example and a citation where this has happened and someone has been arrested at Speakers Corner just for disagreeing with the government and with no aggravating factors. Quote: - anti war demonstrators getting arrested Again, please provide a citation and an example of where this happened. Most anti-war demonstrators I hear about getting arrested have generally been arrested for committing a blatant criminal offense, such as breaking into Faslane and running around Trident nuclear submarines. We don't just arrest people for protesting against War. Quote: - demonstrator(s) their placards broken by the police because the government doesn't like them protesting (does the name Brian Haw ring a bell?) Yes it rings a bell. Does the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 ring a bell to you? The size of his protest was outwith the size permitted in the above Act and the police acted entirely legally. Now, I'm happy to admit that passing legislation to try and get rid of Brian was heavy handed and the Government should not have done this - it was not nescesarry and backhanded but he knew the law had been changed and he chose not to comply with it... Quote: - political correctness stiffling all forms of speech (and guess who decides what is politically correct... oh yes, you guess it right, it's the.......... government!!) Again, please give me specific examples and citations as I don't find my free speech curtailed by the government (or anyone else for that matter) deciding what is or is not politically correct. Quote: With 75% of the British people on anti-depressants I don't see how anyone could possibly make a case in favour of the UK. Huh? Did you just pull this one out of your arse or something? As I said in my original post, show me specific examples from reputable sources.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:53:00 - [32] Edited by: Super Whopper on 08/04/2009 11:54:24 Research is so hard to do. Thanks for proving my point guys. Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Does the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 ring a bell to you?
Magnus Nordir Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Captain Hudson The 1% of the British Population that is muslim are going to take power and install islamic law any day now, or at least thats what you think when you read the Daily Mail Try three percent. And it doesn't matter really, where there's one there'll be ten once they tell their extended family in the backwards ****hole they crawled from about the politically correct paradise in the UK. Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Super Whopper Edited by: Super Whopper on 08/04/2009 11:54:24 Research is so hard to do. Thanks for proving my point guys. Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Does the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 ring a bell to you? Except I asked YOU to provide specific occasions where YOU have been restricted from doing something - you failed to do this. I replied to each of your vague allegations with a response and you think your point has been proved?
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. I'd be interested in you replacing Muslim with Jew there and for you to consider just who you sound like, but I would rather not invoke Godwin's Law.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Benco97 The UK isn't as bad as everyone makes out, yes there are problems but you'll get along just fine here. Personally I live in Wales and I find it hard to believe that there could be any place nicer, Beautiful views, beautiful air, friendly people, not overpopulated... Wales is lovely so long as you're not in somewhere like Swansea or some parts of Cardiff. The problem most people seem to have (I.E Shanzam) is that they live in rough places and like to moan, assuming that everywhere MUST be the same as where they are currently. It isn't, There are many nice places to live in England, Wales or Scotland. However, you are from the US... you may find the UK a little boring when compared to america, we aren't as loud or brightly coloured, our weather isn't as hot and there will be numerous little things that you'll miss once you're here. Ultimately it's up to you but please don't go only on what some jaded twerps tell you, I've no reason to lie to you, I didn't CHOOSE to live in the UK, I have no "Buyers remorse". I can move out of the country any time I want but I don't want to, It's nice here. There are much, MUCH worse places to live, if those people saying just how terrible the UK is don't believe that then they are welcome to go visit them themselves. This, pretty much. Personally I have no desire to live anywhere else int he world, and I have lived in other countries. British people love to complain, but I think the whiners take a lot for granted. A few hundred thousand people leave the UK every year, as papers like the Daily Mail love to tell us. What they don't mention is that something like 80% come back. There are some total ****-hole ghettos in British cities, that's for sure. It's not mandatory to live in them (if you can relocate to New Zealand, you can goddamb well relocate out to a nice place in the UK, dumbasses). Agreed our government are lying, blathering venal incompetents - show me the country where this is NOT the case...
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd.	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:15:00 - [37] Edited by: Xen Gin on 08/04/2009 12:15:45 Originally by: Benco97 Wales is lovely so long as you're not in somewhere like Swansea or some parts of Cardiff. If anyone wants to live in Cardiff, don't go for Ely, St Mellons (not Old St Mellons, thats nice!) or Butetown. If you can afford it the Bay is stunning, and the parks out towards Roath and Penylan are great, and Cyncoed is like millionaires row. Massive houses and very large gardens.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:17:00 - [38] Edited by: Motaka on 08/04/2009 12:20:38 Originally by: Magnus Nordir Originally by: Captain Hudson The 1% of the British Population that is muslim are going to take power and install islamic law any day now, or at least thats what you think when you read the Daily Mail Try three percent. And it doesn't matter really, where there's one there'll be ten once they tell their extended family in the backwards ****hole they crawled from about the politically correct paradise in the UK. Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. 3 percent is alot lower than 10 percent. Superwhopper you are an incoherent pleb that i would love to see on youtube getting a 'Rodney King'.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Magnus Nordir Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. I'd be interested in you replacing Muslim with Jew there and for you to consider just who you sound like, but I would rather not invoke Godwin's Law. Trouble is hes not wrong.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Motaka Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Magnus Nordir Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. I'd be interested in you replacing Muslim with Jew there and for you to consider just who you sound like, but I would rather not invoke Godwin's Law. Trouble is hes not wrong. Really? How many Muslims have you personally met, spoke to or socialised? I have Muslim friends and have both worked with and worked for Muslims. The local mosque (Edinburgh) runs a fantastic, cheap and tasty cafe where people of all faiths and backgrounds go to for lunch every day. I have went inside and spoke to some of the local community about what they believe in and why because I was genuinely curious. Not a single Muslim I have ever spoken to, socialised with or worked with wants Sharia law or wants to "take over" the UK like the Daily Mail likes to report. In fact, the one thing that most of them want more than anything is for people to stop demonising them and to let them get on with their lives, just like anyone else. Now I don't wear rose-tinted glasses and I won't pretend that there AREN'T extremists out there, or preachers of hate that visit Britain's mosques whipping up anti-west sentiment and inciting Jihad, but the vast, vast majority of Muslims are normal everyday people like you and me.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 13:36:00 - [41] Edited by: Motaka on 08/04/2009 13:40:31 Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Motaka Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Magnus Nordir Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. I'd be interested in you replacing Muslim with Jew there and for you to consider just who you sound like, but I would rather not invoke Godwin's Law. Trouble is hes not wrong. Now I don't wear rose-tinted glasses and I won't pretend that there AREN'T extremists out there, or preachers of hate that visit Britain's mosques whipping up anti-west sentiment and inciting Jihad, but the vast, vast majority of Muslims are normal everyday people like you and me. Edit Politics on forums are bad.
Magnus Nordir Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 13:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Magnus Nordir Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. I'd be interested in you replacing Muslim with Jew there and for you to consider just who you sound like, but I would rather not invoke Godwin's Law. Jews are a civilised people with a civilised religion they're capable of having a debate on - and most of them aren't even that religious to start with. Muslims are uncivilised barbarians who murder people who dare insult their cult - and hold institutional capital punishment for blasphemy in their countries. I fail to see the relation, besides your (rather stealthy) invocation of Godwin's law.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 13:57:00 - [43] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Muslims are uncivilised barbarians who murder people who dare insult their cult - and hold institutional capital punishment for blasphemy in their countries. I'm sorry, but this just hasn't been my experience of any Muslim that I have ever met here in the UK or elsewhere. I already said that I won't deny that extremist Muslims do exist, but if you go to Israel then you will encounter extremist Zionists who are just as bad as their Muslim counterparts, but they don't represent the majority either. Don't tar the majority with the wrongdoings of a minority.
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:21:00 - [44] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Not a single Muslim I have ever spoken to, socialised with or worked with wants Sharia law or wants to "take over" the UK like the Daily Mail likes to report. Originally by: Magnus Nordir Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. I think the truth is somewhere in between. I've had a lot of contact with the UK Muslim population on a personal and business basis. Firstly you have to remember there are generational differences. There are big cultural differences, but the younger and later generations coming through are slowly encompassing more of "western" culture, especially the girls. There is also a lot of ignorance, with many not having read the Koran in a language they can understand, they have just had passages read to them in Arabic, plus they are generally from low socio-economic backgrounds. To be honest I don't know how anyone can read the Koran and come away thinking that there is not a problem - if you believe in this fairytale world of moderation then please just read it. The big problems in the Muslim's culture is their attitude to women, which to me is abhorrent, and their unenlightened (reference to Christian Enlightenment) approach to religion where interpretation of their religious text is forbidden In brief, as UK Muslims become wealthier and better educated, their cultural integration will increase - I hope.
Magnus Nordir Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:26:00 - [45] Originally by: Florio In brief, as UK Muslims become wealthier and better educated, their cultural integration will increase - I hope. What we need is less muslims in our countries, not richer and more powerful muslims.
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:34:00 - [46] Why is that Magnus?
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Magnus Nordir What we need is less muslims in our countries, not richer and more powerful muslims. Oh wow... this is going to go places.. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Magnus Nordir Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Florio Why is that Magnus? Because their beliefs and values aren't compatible with any interpretation of freedom, or the universal declaration of human rights for that matter.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:41:00 - [49] I do not want any group whose defining characteristic is their chosen religion to have significant power in my country. Fortunately, in this as in many things, good and bad, Ireland appears to be behind the UK. It wasn't that long ago that we were in that state... though at least that time it was 'our' religion in control. - DesuSigs
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Because their beliefs and values aren't compatible with any interpretation of freedom, or the universal declaration of human rights for that matter. You're tarring a lot of muslims with one brush. There is another view which is that there is a progression of culture over generations that will see beliefs and values becoming more integrated with western culture. We can try to facilitate that or we can divide up the world and blow each other up. I can see why you come up with your views though Magnus, but I believe there is a bigger picture.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:50:00 - [51] I respect everyone's ideas and beliefs, as long as they keep them to themselves. The second they start saying something like "anyone thinking differently is worse than a dog and should be dealt with" or trying to pressure others into their beliefs they lost my respect. Self-proclaimed idiot
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:37:00 - [52] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Originally by: Florio Why is that Magnus? Because their beliefs and values aren't compatible with any interpretation of freedom, or the universal declaration of human rights for that matter. Strange then, how Mohammad Sarwar was able to become the UK's first Muslim MP with beliefs and values that are so incompatible with his fellow MPs...
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:41:00 - [53] UK is a good country to live if you just don't live in the cities. Stay to the countryside, or small towns, and you'll have a happy existence. Biggest thing I dislike about USA is the capitalism, and if that bothers you then you will probably hate Japan too. I cannot comment much about China, besides that their government scares me with that much power. All the Chinese students I've met in UK are nice though, although I expect they were the top of the countries output. Netherlands is nice, but very into taxes and social welfare. Personally I am debating where to move to eventually, looks like either Ireland, New Zealand or Canada.
Magnus Nordir Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:44:00 - [54] Originally by: TimMc Biggest thing I dislike about USA is the capitalism, and if that bothers you then you will probably hate Japan too. What the hell do you mean by "disliking" capitalism? The only people who have a genuine reason to dislike capitalism are the lazy poor people who want others to deal with their problems. Unless you're both poor and lazy, there's no reason to dislike capitalism.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 17:12:00 - [55] Edited by: Motaka on 08/04/2009 17:18:25 Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Originally by: Magnus Nordir Originally by: Florio Why is that Magnus? Because their beliefs and values aren't compatible with any interpretation of freedom, or the universal declaration of human rights for that matter. Strange then, how Mohammad Sarwar was able to become the UK's first Muslim MP with beliefs and values that are so incompatible with his fellow MPs... Of the seven Glasgow consituencies, Glasgow Central has the largest ethnic minority population,who would of thought that Mohammad Sarwar would get electedDid he rig this election like he did in 2001.
Jack Caldwell	Posted - 2009.04.08 18:00:00 - [56] Edited by: Jack Caldwell on 08/04/2009 18:00:02 Originally by: Magnus Nordir Seriously, stay in the USA, it's the last civilised country on Earth, I see you misspelled "least" there. ZING!
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.04.08 18:50:00 - [57] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Originally by: Florio In brief, as UK Muslims become wealthier and better educated, their cultural integration will increase - I hope. What we need is less muslims in our countries, not richer and more powerful muslims. Have you ever even MET a muslim, or do you just take your opinions from the deranged rantings of the Daily Mail? ____________________
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 19:01:00 - [58] wasnt mohammed sawar caught vote rigging ? or was it taking bribes ...i cant rember which... then theres keith vaz .... what was he caught out again fraud i think ?... and then there`s lord ali what did he do again.... ahhh yes ..thats right ...killed a guy on the motorway while talking on his mobile phone ... and guess what ...he escaped a prison sentence ....hmmm when i get older i want to be a member of parliment destroy everything you touch
Bodrul Caldari Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2009.04.08 19:53:00 - [59] Originally by: jason hill well i wouldnt suggest the UK atm were all trying to get out ! dont let the door hit you where the good lord split ya on the way out of the UK WIN 100 Mill ISK, FREE ENTRY
Bodrul Caldari Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:03:00 - [60] Originally by: Magnus Nordir UK/Netherlands: Along with the rest of Europe, slowly turning into a muslim caliphate thanks to the uncivilised hordes of immigrants from the middle east/north africa. here is someone that doesnt know anything about Muslims Middle east = fraction of Muslims and same with north africa, as a British Muslim, i take offence to your crap you just posted. Originally by: Captain Hudson It is? i had not noticed. The 1% of the British Population that is muslim are going to take power and install islamic law any day now, or at least thats what you think when you read the Daily Mail thought that would be the SUN :P Daily mail are the Libral paper lol Originally by: Magnus Nordir Try three percent. And it doesn't matter really, where there's one there'll be ten once they tell their extended family in the backwards **hole they crawled from about the politically correct paradise in the UK. Make no mistake, the UK and any other country that doesn't restrict muslim immigration either with laws or anti-muslim societal norms is going down. Cant get more **ed then that muslim hole? wounder what hole you crawled from, you better get back to your camp after reading most your crap i wouldnt be supprised if you didnt belong to some ** club WIN 100 Mill ISK, FREE ENTRY

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:56:00 - [61] Cleaned. Please stay on-topic, which is the countries to consider moving to. Removed numerous off-topic and inflammatory posts. ANY further off-topic posts, especially of a political or religious nature will be dealt with severely. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

Onus Mian Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.04.08 21:20:00 - [62] Edited by: Onus Mian on 08/04/2009 21:24:32 The UK is a pretty decent country and while we have have some economic and social problems I think you'd be hard pressed to find another country that doesn't. Your average British citizen is generally accepting of outside cultures as long as you don't shove it down their throat which rarely happens despite what popular tabloids like to report. We have a national health service which is pretty good though is struggling a little under the weight of life-style related illnesses, mostly reliable and trustworthy police that are fully answerable for their actions, and an education system which although has its flaws is pretty good for the most part. Our government is horrendously imcompetent but that seems to be the trend in British politics so we're somewhat apathetic towards the whole thing except when we find out government ministers are claiming expenses on **** and second homes which they are renting out for profit. Even then we're not really ones for violent protest or overthrowing the government so no worries there. ---- Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
Sgt Blade Caldari Save Yourself Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.08 23:22:00 - [63] Countryside UK is nice but if you like going out then I would recommend Hong Kong, its a really good place to live and not just night clubs but for the outdoors type of people. been to lots of good barbecues out in the hills Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 23:30:00 - [64] Edited by: jason hill on 08/04/2009 23:30:41 lol... at bodril destroy everything you touch
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.04.09 09:19:00 - [65] The British do love to complain, but we do have a great country. Yes, it has it's flaws, but I think it's one of the better places in the world (and if you feel strongly about these flaws, why not do something about it rather than just moaning). Britain does have its deprived areas, as does every location. If you identify a place you are considering moving to, do a little research. Even places where I live have their holes, and I live in the South West of England (where the Hobbits come from). As for racial tolerance, people may think we're all farmers around here, but we do have large oriental and arabic populations, and the tolerance is generally high. Again, you do get some racism, but that will rear its head anywhere where you are not in the majority. All I'm trying to say is the Britian is generally a nice place to live, but it's not all flowers and roses (or crops and manure, to perpetuate the farmer theme). As for the Netherlands, I quite liked it when I was there. Some of the urban areas are a little seedy, but again this is hardly unusual. Some of the country around is very nice. I've never had the fortune to visit Japan or China, but I do hope to at some point.
Ninjitsuki Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.04.09 09:59:00 - [66] Some links you might like: Blog of a british game developer living in the Netherlands. Blog of an American English teacher living in Japan. Both might not be exactly your situation, but they do describe cultural eyebrow raisers of both countries in an insightful and humoristic way.

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