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Ripper76	Posted - 2004.08.25 17:24:00 - [1] Is the Rifter a good ship? .. I finally got some money to get a better ship then my Slasher. If the Rifter is good, what would be a good setup to run on it? (i.e weapons and gear I would need.) As you guess it it, I am Minmatar so I can't use any other kinda ships with out getting the skills (which I will do so sooner or later.) Right now, I got a Slasher with one 280mm gun and a 150mm gun and a civil shield booster. Thanks for any help you all can throw my way [Sorry for the double post, I also posted this in the newbie area, but I couldn't move or deleted it so I re-posted it here.
Ripper76	Posted - 2004.08.25 17:24:00 - [2] Is the Rifter a good ship? .. I finally got some money to get a better ship then my Slasher. If the Rifter is good, what would be a good setup to run on it? (i.e weapons and gear I would need.) As you guess it it, I am Minmatar so I can't use any other kinda ships with out getting the skills (which I will do so sooner or later.) Right now, I got a Slasher with one 280mm gun and a 150mm gun and a civil shield booster. Thanks for any help you all can throw my way [Sorry for the double post, I also posted this in the newbie area, but I couldn't move or deleted it so I re-posted it here.
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.08.25 17:31:00 - [3] Rifters are the best frigate Min. can take...they are blast to NPC rat hunt... Good Cheap setup... Two Standard Missile Launchers (Blood Claws or Flamebursts) Two 280 Guns 1 MN AB Small Shield Booster Lows (Reactor Control Unit 1's or Power Diag 1's if you need more power) Or Co Procesor's if you need CPU's... Makes for a fun ship to hunt with...without being really expensive...
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.08.25 17:31:00 - [4] Rifters are the best frigate Min. can take...they are blast to NPC rat hunt... Good Cheap setup... Two Standard Missile Launchers (Blood Claws or Flamebursts) Two 280 Guns 1 MN AB Small Shield Booster Lows (Reactor Control Unit 1's or Power Diag 1's if you need more power) Or Co Procesor's if you need CPU's... Makes for a fun ship to hunt with...without being really expensive...
Uchikage	Posted - 2004.08.25 17:35:00 - [5] Edited by: Uchikage on 25/08/2004 17:37:36 The Rifter is an excellent ship. Fit 2 x 280mm artillery cannons on it and 2 x standard missile launchers. Switch your civilian shield booster for a small shield booster. If you don't have the skills to fit all that, whatever gun you use use the same type. It's better to have 2 x 250mm than 1 x 280 and 1 x 200. If you have different gun types on your ship, the range will always be wrong for some of your guns no matter how you set the engagement. If you want practice fighting, either just tool around the asteroid belts to kill the random pirates, or better yet find a Security or Surveilance agent for a corp you like and do kill missions for them. _______________________________________________ "...which will become my sword in the very near future." "Bish, you don't have a future." Who Dares, Wins -SAS
Uchikage	Posted - 2004.08.25 17:35:00 - [6] Edited by: Uchikage on 25/08/2004 17:37:36 The Rifter is an excellent ship. Fit 2 x 280mm artillery cannons on it and 2 x standard missile launchers. Switch your civilian shield booster for a small shield booster. If you don't have the skills to fit all that, whatever gun you use use the same type. It's better to have 2 x 250mm than 1 x 280 and 1 x 200. If you have different gun types on your ship, the range will always be wrong for some of your guns no matter how you set the engagement. If you want practice fighting, either just tool around the asteroid belts to kill the random pirates, or better yet find a Security or Surveilance agent for a corp you like and do kill missions for them. _______________________________________________ "...which will become my sword in the very near future." "Bish, you don't have a future." Who Dares, Wins -SAS
PaulLRyan	Posted - 2004.08.25 18:01:00 - [7] Edited by: PaulLRyan on 25/08/2004 18:04:16 It's a personal oppinion but I think the rifer is the best tech 1 ship to have fun in. Previous posters have covered the set-ups but I used to use (from memory)... 2x200mm 2xmissile launcher 10MN Afterburner - Go for the 1MN MWD if you have fitting problems something that I forget in the other med slot (it used to change a lot) Then a couple of cap relays in the lows. It takes a bit of practice to get used to them and you will loose a few but don't let that put you off. Also, having used them for a while, if you like them then think about training for the claw (Intercepter). It's a lot of training but it's all useful for the Rifter you will be flying anyway. I view my claw as simply a boosted Rifter and with a bit of practice you can do all lvl3 kill missions in one including the 550K dudes that show up from time to time. I also prefer to fly that than any of the cruisers of Battleships I've owned. If you need any help then mail me in-game and I'll see what I can do. PL - Friggate Junkie lvl 5 Edited: Oh yeah and the micro Aux power core is very useful but again it will take you a bit if training to be able to use them. Forget the 10MN AB as you probably will not be able to fit one without the micro aux.
PaulLRyan	Posted - 2004.08.25 18:01:00 - [8] Edited by: PaulLRyan on 25/08/2004 18:04:16 It's a personal oppinion but I think the rifer is the best tech 1 ship to have fun in. Previous posters have covered the set-ups but I used to use (from memory)... 2x200mm 2xmissile launcher 10MN Afterburner - Go for the 1MN MWD if you have fitting problems something that I forget in the other med slot (it used to change a lot) Then a couple of cap relays in the lows. It takes a bit of practice to get used to them and you will loose a few but don't let that put you off. Also, having used them for a while, if you like them then think about training for the claw (Intercepter). It's a lot of training but it's all useful for the Rifter you will be flying anyway. I view my claw as simply a boosted Rifter and with a bit of practice you can do all lvl3 kill missions in one including the 550K dudes that show up from time to time. I also prefer to fly that than any of the cruisers of Battleships I've owned. If you need any help then mail me in-game and I'll see what I can do. PL - Friggate Junkie lvl 5 Edited: Oh yeah and the micro Aux power core is very useful but again it will take you a bit if training to be able to use them. Forget the 10MN AB as you probably will not be able to fit one without the micro aux.
Ripper76	Posted - 2004.08.25 18:02:00 - [9] Edited by: Ripper76 on 25/08/2004 18:06:03 Thank you all for the much needed help :) am going to get to work on the setup now :D looks like I will be busy with all these setups.. hehe :)
Ripper76	Posted - 2004.08.25 18:02:00 - [10] Edited by: Ripper76 on 25/08/2004 18:06:03 Thank you all for the much needed help :) am going to get to work on the setup now :D looks like I will be busy with all these setups.. hehe :)
PaulLRyan	Posted - 2004.08.25 18:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Ripper76 Thank you both for the help... :) I only got one question, whats a MN AB? .. hehe :) AB = Afterburner MWD = Micro Warp Drive they both come in 3 sizes. 1MN, 10MN, 100MN They fit frigates, cruisers and battleships respectfully although at the moment you can fit a larger AB than your ship size. Like I said - mail or contact me in game if you ever need help. PL
PaulLRyan	Posted - 2004.08.25 18:06:00 - [12] Originally by: Ripper76 Thank you both for the help... :) I only got one question, whats a MN AB? .. hehe :) AB = Afterburner MWD = Micro Warp Drive they both come in 3 sizes. 1MN, 10MN, 100MN They fit frigates, cruisers and battleships respectfully although at the moment you can fit a larger AB than your ship size. Like I said - mail or contact me in game if you ever need help. PL
Ripper76	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:09:00 - [13] Originally by: PaulLRyan Originally by: Ripper76 Thank you both for the help... :) I only got one question, whats a MN AB? .. hehe :) AB = Afterburner MWD = Micro Warp Drive they both come in 3 sizes. 1MN, 10MN, 100MN They fit frigates, cruisers and battleships respectfully although at the moment you can fit a larger AB than your ship size. Like I said - mail or contact me in game if you ever need help. PL Thank you PaulLRyan, if I need anymore advice/help I will send you a ingame mail :) Thank you again for all the help :D
Ripper76	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:09:00 - [14] Originally by: PaulLRyan Originally by: Ripper76 Thank you both for the help... :) I only got one question, whats a MN AB? .. hehe :) AB = Afterburner MWD = Micro Warp Drive they both come in 3 sizes. 1MN, 10MN, 100MN They fit frigates, cruisers and battleships respectfully although at the moment you can fit a larger AB than your ship size. Like I said - mail or contact me in game if you ever need help. PL Thank you PaulLRyan, if I need anymore advice/help I will send you a ingame mail :) Thank you again for all the help :D
MrRookie	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:59:00 - [15] what exactly makes the rifter better than the breacher? I`m just curius cuz I just trained minmatar frig myself to start using min shipies. _____________________________________________ \o/ I got a siggy... WTB 3x Medium Modulated Pulse Energy Beams http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=139877
MrRookie	Posted - 2004.08.26 12:59:00 - [16] what exactly makes the rifter better than the breacher? I`m just curius cuz I just trained minmatar frig myself to start using min shipies. _____________________________________________ \o/ I got a siggy... WTB 3x Medium Modulated Pulse Energy Beams http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=139877
Ki Shodan	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:13:00 - [17] Originally by: MrRookie what exactly makes the rifter better than the breacher? I`m just curius cuz I just trained minmatar frig myself to start using min shipies. Rifter, can be better fitted to be efficned at 15-20 km. after the missle nerf a breacher lacks of durability and has to few range, only 25 km with light missles. fitting rocket launchers is not an option, since you would need to go to close range, wich you can not with the breacher, since it can not take damage very well. (most minmatar ships deal more damage than they can take.) although in fleet battles the breacher might be a good drone killer, if the pilot can target the drones fast enough. -- my current auctions
Ki Shodan	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:13:00 - [18] Originally by: MrRookie what exactly makes the rifter better than the breacher? I`m just curius cuz I just trained minmatar frig myself to start using min shipies. Rifter, can be better fitted to be efficned at 15-20 km. after the missle nerf a breacher lacks of durability and has to few range, only 25 km with light missles. fitting rocket launchers is not an option, since you would need to go to close range, wich you can not with the breacher, since it can not take damage very well. (most minmatar ships deal more damage than they can take.) although in fleet battles the breacher might be a good drone killer, if the pilot can target the drones fast enough. -- my current auctions
hjgjghjghjg	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:20:00 - [19] Edited by: hjgjghjghjg on 26/08/2004 13:22:08 Rifter is the best ship in Eve, bar none and anyone that says otherwise doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. I love my rifter more than its healthy too. I lose alot of frigates but its the only that makes me cry when it goes boom. I wont post loadouts as people already have and they are all perfectly good. Love your rifter and it will love you... Miso x WTB: Rifter EDIT: Damn, wrong account.
hjgjghjghjg	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:20:00 - [20] Edited by: hjgjghjghjg on 26/08/2004 13:22:08 Rifter is the best ship in Eve, bar none and anyone that says otherwise doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. I love my rifter more than its healthy too. I lose alot of frigates but its the only that makes me cry when it goes boom. I wont post loadouts as people already have and they are all perfectly good. Love your rifter and it will love you... Miso x WTB: Rifter EDIT: Damn, wrong account.
calx	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:28:00 - [21] I prefer my Rifter to my Scorpion. In fact the only ship I like more than my Rifter is the Crow. It's fast, agile, packs a serious offensive punch and looks cool as ****! Bestest frigate ever
calx	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:28:00 - [22] I prefer my Rifter to my Scorpion. In fact the only ship I like more than my Rifter is the Crow. It's fast, agile, packs a serious offensive punch and looks cool as ****! Bestest frigate ever
MrRookie	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:35:00 - [23] Edited by: MrRookie on 26/08/2004 13:39:30 Originally by: Ki Shodan Originally by: MrRookie what exactly makes the rifter better than the breacher? I`m just curius cuz I just trained minmatar frig myself to start using min shipies. Rifter, can be better fitted to be efficned at 15-20 km. after the missle nerf a breacher lacks of durability and has to few range, only 25 km with light missles. fitting rocket launchers is not an option, since you would need to go to close range, wich you can not with the breacher, since it can not take damage very well. (most minmatar ships deal more damage than they can take.) although in fleet battles the breacher might be a good drone killer, if the pilot can target the drones fast enough. ops posted before typing Still I am missing something. The breacher can fit 3 standard launchers and stay at 20 km aswell so doesnt it proove to be a good ship aswell or just as good? I used a 10mn ab and could maintain speed _____________________________________________ \o/ I got a siggy... WTB 3x Medium Modulated Pulse Energy Beams http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=139877
MrRookie	Posted - 2004.08.26 13:35:00 - [24] Edited by: MrRookie on 26/08/2004 13:39:30 Originally by: Ki Shodan Originally by: MrRookie what exactly makes the rifter better than the breacher? I`m just curius cuz I just trained minmatar frig myself to start using min shipies. Rifter, can be better fitted to be efficned at 15-20 km. after the missle nerf a breacher lacks of durability and has to few range, only 25 km with light missles. fitting rocket launchers is not an option, since you would need to go to close range, wich you can not with the breacher, since it can not take damage very well. (most minmatar ships deal more damage than they can take.) although in fleet battles the breacher might be a good drone killer, if the pilot can target the drones fast enough. ops posted before typing Still I am missing something. The breacher can fit 3 standard launchers and stay at 20 km aswell so doesnt it proove to be a good ship aswell or just as good? I used a 10mn ab and could maintain speed _____________________________________________ \o/ I got a siggy... WTB 3x Medium Modulated Pulse Energy Beams http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=139877
Krulla	Posted - 2004.08.26 16:08:00 - [25] Originally by: MrRookie Edited by: MrRookie on 26/08/2004 13:39:30 Originally by: Ki Shodan Originally by: MrRookie what exactly makes the rifter better than the breacher? I`m just curius cuz I just trained minmatar frig myself to start using min shipies. Rifter, can be better fitted to be efficned at 15-20 km. after the missle nerf a breacher lacks of durability and has to few range, only 25 km with light missles. fitting rocket launchers is not an option, since you would need to go to close range, wich you can not with the breacher, since it can not take damage very well. (most minmatar ships deal more damage than they can take.) although in fleet battles the breacher might be a good drone killer, if the pilot can target the drones fast enough. ops posted before typing Still I am missing something. The breacher can fit 3 standard launchers and stay at 20 km aswell so doesnt it proove to be a good ship aswell or just as good? I used a 10mn ab and could maintain speed Breacher is good, but has some issues.. cap is tiny, it's got few hits even for a frigate, one of the high slots is rather useless... and it is the second ugliest ship in the game (after the burst) Still, it is a fine ship.. For a missile frigate, I prefer it over the Kestrel, becouse it is a lot faster. Kestrel has some advantages, true, but it just cant dodge missiles well enough.. You could try fitting rockets on the breacher, and go orbit at 5km using a web and MWD.. this is sorta do-or-die, but you can take care of most friggies (except the kestrel). Incursus and possibly even the taranis are doable, if you manange to hit the web fast enough. I prefer the rifter though, becouse it is a whole lot cooler, slightly faster and more versatile.
Krulla	Posted - 2004.08.26 16:08:00 - [26] Originally by: MrRookie Edited by: MrRookie on 26/08/2004 13:39:30 Originally by: Ki Shodan Originally by: MrRookie what exactly makes the rifter better than the breacher? I`m just curius cuz I just trained minmatar frig myself to start using min shipies. Rifter, can be better fitted to be efficned at 15-20 km. after the missle nerf a breacher lacks of durability and has to few range, only 25 km with light missles. fitting rocket launchers is not an option, since you would need to go to close range, wich you can not with the breacher, since it can not take damage very well. (most minmatar ships deal more damage than they can take.) although in fleet battles the breacher might be a good drone killer, if the pilot can target the drones fast enough. ops posted before typing Still I am missing something. The breacher can fit 3 standard launchers and stay at 20 km aswell so doesnt it proove to be a good ship aswell or just as good? I used a 10mn ab and could maintain speed Breacher is good, but has some issues.. cap is tiny, it's got few hits even for a frigate, one of the high slots is rather useless... and it is the second ugliest ship in the game (after the burst) Still, it is a fine ship.. For a missile frigate, I prefer it over the Kestrel, becouse it is a lot faster. Kestrel has some advantages, true, but it just cant dodge missiles well enough.. You could try fitting rockets on the breacher, and go orbit at 5km using a web and MWD.. this is sorta do-or-die, but you can take care of most friggies (except the kestrel). Incursus and possibly even the taranis are doable, if you manange to hit the web fast enough. I prefer the rifter though, becouse it is a whole lot cooler, slightly faster and more versatile.
alar1c	Posted - 2004.08.26 17:09:00 - [27] The #1 reason teh rifter is better, IMO, is the speed factor. With the proper skills, you slap a 10mn AB on that and watch it fly!!! Lot's of fun to orbit a BS at 5 to 7.5 km and watch this crusie missiles following you
alar1c	Posted - 2004.08.26 17:09:00 - [28] The #1 reason teh rifter is better, IMO, is the speed factor. With the proper skills, you slap a 10mn AB on that and watch it fly!!! Lot's of fun to orbit a BS at 5 to 7.5 km and watch this crusie missiles following you
Weirda	Posted - 2004.08.26 17:13:00 - [29] Personally - do much better DOT if use ship bonus and fit 3 turrets and 1 launcher. 3 280s is hard to fit with low skills, but 3x250s, 1xstandard launcher is easy to fit With a shield booster in the mid and whatever else you want you are pretty invunerable to rats of the appropriate level even without ab or mwd. The only time you need those is when going for 50k+ rats, and even then, only for the approach really. To fight the bigger rats its' best to use 3x200mm autos and a launcher, since you will want to be in close. Either way - you can't really go wrong with a rifter... Have lost quite a few, but you always learn the next weakness you need to compensate for when you do. -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Weirda	Posted - 2004.08.26 17:13:00 - [30] Personally - do much better DOT if use ship bonus and fit 3 turrets and 1 launcher. 3 280s is hard to fit with low skills, but 3x250s, 1xstandard launcher is easy to fit With a shield booster in the mid and whatever else you want you are pretty invunerable to rats of the appropriate level even without ab or mwd. The only time you need those is when going for 50k+ rats, and even then, only for the approach really. To fight the bigger rats its' best to use 3x200mm autos and a launcher, since you will want to be in close. Either way - you can't really go wrong with a rifter... Have lost quite a few, but you always learn the next weakness you need to compensate for when you do. -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>

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