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xxxak Caldari O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:05:00 - [1] Can someone give me a list of ships that a competently flown T2 fit Taranis can usually take out? Ideally, please list them in order of easiest to kill to hardest.
Gen Eisenhower Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:20:00 - [2] It's not only about how competent the ranis pilot is but also how competent the other guy is. It's not always easy to determine. The other guy might be from 2006 but he might have exhumers 5 or such, and barely any idea about pvp. Or it can be a few months old guy who knows what he is doing. There is always a risk, and that makes it exciting. A competent ranis kills a nab bs. A competent ranis can be killed by a more competent rifter.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:31:00 - [3] God, I remember back in the day, a vid of a blaster rannis taking down a poorly fit domi...took forever, but the comments were awesome. ----------------- Friends Forever
xxxak Caldari O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Gen Eisenhower It's not only about how competent the ranis pilot is but also how competent the other guy is. It's not always easy to determine. The other guy might be from 2006 but he might have exhumers 5 or such, and barely any idea about pvp. Or it can be a few months old guy who knows what he is doing. There is always a risk, and that makes it exciting. A competent ranis kills a nab bs. A competent ranis can be killed by a more competent rifter. Yea dude, I have been playing for years, you didnt really say anything. How about more specific, like, "Be careful of arbitrators"
el caido School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:38:00 - [5] Since you have been playing for years, you already know the answer to this question. A Ranis can kill anything, theoretically. Beware of drones, EAFs and Recons, nos/neut ... all the stuff any interceptor pilot should.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:51:00 - [6] Originally by: xxxak Originally by: Gen Eisenhower It's not only about how competent the ranis pilot is but also how competent the other guy is. It's not always easy to determine. The other guy might be from 2006 but he might have exhumers 5 or such, and barely any idea about pvp. Or it can be a few months old guy who knows what he is doing. There is always a risk, and that makes it exciting. A competent ranis kills a nab bs. A competent ranis can be killed by a more competent rifter. Yea dude, I have been playing for years, you didnt really say anything. How about more specific, like, "Be careful of arbitrators" Be careful of arbitrators.
Panzram GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.09 16:23:00 - [7] Easiest would probably be Curses/Pilgrims. Id hunt those exclusively.
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.09 17:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Panzram Easiest would probably be Curses/Pilgrims. Id hunt those exclusively. Confirming that Curse/Pilgrim are the easiest kills for a 'ranis. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
Er Keb Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2009.04.09 17:22:00 - [9] 3 years ago, a t2 fitted taranis could take out a dread =) http://www.a-kills.com/details.php?id=35333
Misaniovent Allied Tactical Squadron	Posted - 2009.04.09 17:35:00 - [10] Originally by: xxxak Originally by: Gen Eisenhower It's not only about how competent the ranis pilot is but also how competent the other guy is. It's not always easy to determine. The other guy might be from 2006 but he might have exhumers 5 or such, and barely any idea about pvp. Or it can be a few months old guy who knows what he is doing. There is always a risk, and that makes it exciting. A competent ranis kills a nab bs. A competent ranis can be killed by a more competent rifter. Yea dude, I have been playing for years, you didnt really say anything. How about more specific, like, "Be careful of arbitrators" I thought this was the best advice you could possibly get. Go figure.
fkingfurious	Posted - 2009.04.09 18:42:00 - [11] Stop being a *****. Get a taranis and go out and get some experience and figure out for yourself what you can fight.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel. The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.04.09 19:19:00 - [12] What you can kill is way more dependant on the pilot than the ship they are flying. You can easily kill a stupidly flown and fit battleship. You will easily die to a well flown and fit Rifter, ----- The Python Cartel Is Recruiting! - My Pirate Blog
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:11:00 - [13] U can kill many drone-less cruisers/hacs without missiles... Say Zealots for example, are doomed if you manage to scram them. Muninns can be "done" if you are competent enough to take out their drones fast enough etc... Eagles would be troubled should you come close etc... Scrams, webs, etc are not your friends, and you are not the only one carrying them. Neuts aren't either, but you can "counter" those a bit with a NOS once in range... In general most frig sized vessels have way less DPS, or way less EHP or both. So usually T1 frigates are doomed, unless specifically fitted to slow you down for a friend near by. Many poorly fitted ASs can go down, just like EAFs...Practically you are afraid of Sentinels - a bit...i have both killed and been killed in sentinels by ranises with similar fits...it's situational up to a certain point you really know how and when to engage while having and advantage. ASs in general have more than 2x your EHP and similar DPS so potent AS pilots are NOT sth you should go up against: I would stay away of Harpies, gallente ASs, and Minmatar ASs...unless you are up against an artie jag or sth, chances of you getting away are slim on paper. Widely used PvP Cruisers can be dangerous, as those pack most the "bad things" above: scrams / webs / drones / neuts... So PvP ruptures, Thoraxes, Arbis, Vexors, even Caracals can be dangerous. For Stabbers I thing it's situational, tho you should have the upper hand in general. SBs should not engage you unless you are AFK... You have a slight chance against most dictors - but not the average Sabre... Most BSs cannot threat you directly, unless they have small drones and webs combo. Heavy Neuts are countered with small noses effectively due to their slow cycle vs. the small nos's fast one...you will get cap both to scram and fire ur guns, which is enough to help u go forever once there are no drones around. Off course Disco-BSs are any ceptor's nemesis. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Thenoran Caldari Tranquility Industries	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Panzram Easiest would probably be Curses/Pilgrims. Id hunt those exclusively. How so? Aren't drone boats potentially dangerous due to Warrior IIs? Assuming they got a good flight of Warrior IIs (I'd bring 10) which are managed a bit, wouldn't they take the guy down eventually? Warrior II hit over 6000m/s, which not even a Taranis can break now unless you're talking expensive implants and pure speed rig. I could be wrong ofcourse, just curious how a Taranis would fare against properly managed 5xWarrior II drones. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Panzram Easiest would probably be Curses/Pilgrims. Id hunt those exclusively. How so? Aren't drone boats potentially dangerous due to Warrior IIs? Assuming they got a good flight of Warrior IIs (I'd bring 10) which are managed a bit, wouldn't they take the guy down eventually? Warrior II hit over 6000m/s, which not even a Taranis can break now unless you're talking expensive implants and pure speed rig. I could be wrong ofcourse, just curious how a Taranis would fare against properly managed 5xWarrior II drones. They're giving him misinformation because of his poor attitude and rudeness. As you surmise a curse/pilgrim is the last thing he'd want to go looking for since it could shut down his MWD/tackle/guns and eat him with drones before you could say "playing for years". In fact, since the general MO is to use the MWD to close range and then to orbit point blank without it you tend to be vulnerable to well skilled medium drones as well.
Thenoran Caldari Tranquility Industries	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:30:00 - [16] Originally by: TraininVain Edited by: TraininVain on 09/04/2009 22:07:24 Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Panzram Easiest would probably be Curses/Pilgrims. Id hunt those exclusively. How so? Aren't drone boats potentially dangerous due to Warrior IIs? Assuming they got a good flight of Warrior IIs (I'd bring 10) which are managed a bit, wouldn't they take the guy down eventually? Warrior II hit over 6000m/s, which not even a Taranis can break now unless you're talking expensive implants and pure speed rig. I could be wrong ofcourse, just curious how a Taranis would fare against properly managed 5xWarrior II drones. They're giving him misinformation because of his poor attitude and rudeness. As you surmise a curse/pilgrim is the last thing he'd want to go looking for since it could shut down his MWD/tackle/guns and eat him with drones before you could say "playing for years". A rapier would also not be fun times, nor an arazu with scrams. In fact, since the general MO is to use the MWD to close range and then to orbit point blank without it you tend to be vulnerable to well skilled medium drones as well. Pilgrim can't reach out to 24km with its NOS/Neuts though. Warrior IIs would still wtfpwn the Taranis though. I wonder if five light Neut drones would have any purpose... ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Ulasim Child Head Injury and Laceration Doctors	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: TraininVain Edited by: TraininVain on 09/04/2009 22:07:24 Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Panzram Easiest would probably be Curses/Pilgrims. Id hunt those exclusively. How so? Aren't drone boats potentially dangerous due to Warrior IIs? Assuming they got a good flight of Warrior IIs (I'd bring 10) which are managed a bit, wouldn't they take the guy down eventually? Warrior II hit over 6000m/s, which not even a Taranis can break now unless you're talking expensive implants and pure speed rig. I could be wrong ofcourse, just curious how a Taranis would fare against properly managed 5xWarrior II drones. They're giving him misinformation because of his poor attitude and rudeness. As you surmise a curse/pilgrim is the last thing he'd want to go looking for since it could shut down his MWD/tackle/guns and eat him with drones before you could say "playing for years". A rapier would also not be fun times, nor an arazu with scrams. In fact, since the general MO is to use the MWD to close range and then to orbit point blank without it you tend to be vulnerable to well skilled medium drones as well. Pilgrim can't reach out to 24km with its NOS/Neuts though. Warrior IIs would still wtfpwn the Taranis though. I wonder if five light Neut drones would have any purpose... It can reach out to something like 37km
Mykpilot	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:39:00 - [18] Edited by: Mykpilot on 09/04/2009 22:42:20 Originally by: fkingfurious Stop being a *****. Get a taranis and go out and get some experience and figure out for yourself what you can fight. Really? C'mon, thats not the best advise you could of given, now is it. While first hand experience is the best experience is often the most costly. A combination of established knowledge and personal experience will serve anyone much better then just going in blind until they figure out through trial and error. This particular thread is the stuff I find most interesting as the why's Taranis can or can't beat a ship in a certain loadout will often save time, provide insight into solutions that can also extended beyond the ships in question. The best way to solve this would be to start with a list of all the ship categories that it beats regardless of their loadout, list all the ships then that it can't beat regardless of loadout. When I say regardless of loadout, I mean within reason, it would have to properly fitted (no ships leaving the dock without modules). From there you can look at the ships that it beats and ask why? Find patterns to form the strengths of the ship. Look at the ships it loses to and ask why? Again, find patterns to form the weakness to the ship. Then look at the match ups that debateable or aren't certain and look for common traits among these ships and see you can make connections to the weaknesses and strengths. I know this doesn't answer the question at all and don't have time to start a basic list but I was taking a break from reading and went on a tangent and now my time is up. Back to studying!
Thenoran Caldari Tranquility Industries	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Ulasim Originally by: Thenoran Pilgrim can't reach out to 24km with its NOS/Neuts though. Warrior IIs would still wtfpwn the Taranis though. I wonder if five light Neut drones would have any purpose... It can reach out to something like 37km Think you're confusing the Curse with the Pilgrim. The Pilgrim has a Covert Ops cloak, the Curse has the 40% range bonus. Unless EFT, EVE and the Item Database are playing with my head, oh noes. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
De Guantanamo	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:45:00 - [20] For the love of god, stop posting.
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Ulasim Originally by: Thenoran Pilgrim can't reach out to 24km It can reach out to something like 37km It can reach 12 without using faction and what not. You're a ***. L2P. sXe
Mykpilot	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:46:00 - [22] Originally by: Spectre3353 What you can kill is way more dependant on the pilot than the ship they are flying. You can easily kill a stupidly flown and fit battleship. You will easily die to a well flown and fit Rifter, With this type of discussion you have to assume that other than the ships everything is equal. Meaning the pilots in the ships have the same "flying skill" corresponding to the ship type. This isn't a twitch game like Quake 3 or Counter-strike source but more like a strategy game where given a scenario with a limited number of varibles and everything else fixed, you can come to the conclusion of a outcome with a good level of certainty.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.09 23:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Mykpilot Originally by: Spectre3353 What you can kill is way more dependant on the pilot than the ship they are flying. You can easily kill a stupidly flown and fit battleship. You will easily die to a well flown and fit Rifter, With this type of discussion you have to assume that other than the ships everything is equal. Meaning the pilots in the ships have the same "flying skill" corresponding to the ship type. This isn't a twitch game like Quake 3 or Counter-strike source but more like a strategy game where given a scenario with a limited number of varibles and everything else fixed, you can come to the conclusion of a outcome with a good level of certainty. Not really.
Mykpilot	Posted - 2009.04.09 23:18:00 - [24] Originally by: TraininVain Originally by: Mykpilot Originally by: Spectre3353 What you can kill is way more dependant on the pilot than the ship they are flying. You can easily kill a stupidly flown and fit battleship. You will easily die to a well flown and fit Rifter, With this type of discussion you have to assume that other than the ships everything is equal. Meaning the pilots in the ships have the same "flying skill" corresponding to the ship type. This isn't a twitch game like Quake 3 or Counter-strike source but more like a strategy game where given a scenario with a limited number of varibles and everything else fixed, you can come to the conclusion of a outcome with a good level of certainty. Not really. Not really, what?
Raxlar Kalimar	Posted - 2009.04.11 21:58:00 - [25] Go out and try to kill things. IMHO the glory lies in killing the stuff that you would not normally expect to kill not the stuff you are certain to kill. Loads of people on this forum miss the point in this respect. If you want garanteed kills attack noobships and forget anything else. People have given the Rifter as an example. To be honest if you fly a cookie cutter Rannis you will own the cookie cutter Rifter setups. But what have you really acheived in doing this? Will it get you any respect for killing a t1 frig? I doubt it. However should you come across me in my anti-interceptor fitted Rifter. I will play dumb, make it look like I am trying to get away, ill make an 'error' and you will catch me. But once you agress, your fait will be sealed and I WILL KILL YOU!<---Pleople will dissagree with this statement but thats ok because if they did not I would have no targets...its when they aren't using the cookie cutter setup that it gets interesting. The point of all this is that even though there are many viable setups for any given ship. Most people are not that imagenative and will use the same setup that everyone else uses. Learn those setups and don't ask yourself which ships you can win against think more in terms of the entire package and then then about how to counter it.
Bai ZongTong Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.04.15 16:28:00 - [26] might be hard to take down a stab fitted drake since it doesnt have any special fit that does 600 DPS per second. ---
Major Buttache Coded Arms Coded Arms Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.15 16:28:00 - [27] I love xxxak poasts. He has being 'playing for years', I presume some other game than EvE, then suddenly hes all over eve-o providing lulz and hopefully massive cringe-worthy moments for his corp. I'm guessing e-bay. Nvar stop poasting!
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.15 16:44:00 - [28] Itty II's can be easily taken down by a ranis. Also impairor's and the osprey make easy targets. I also think the OP should never stop posting... ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Holy Lowlander Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.15 16:57:00 - [29] you can be killed by everything and you can kill everything. With a ship like the taranis pilot skill is incredibly important, if you make a mistake you die. Because it has litle to no tanking abillities , doesn't deal enough dps to really gank anything bigger as a frigate and if your transversal speed gets around 0 while running an mwd your toast against a gun boat. (your a stationairy target the size of a station ..) Ships you want to be very afraid of , curse , pilgrim , caracals/drakes/cerbs , sacriliges. You can take down a rapier or hugin in a taranis, you just have to get in range before you get webbed to death. If your at a tight orbit and scram/web the rapier your faster as it without your mwd running , and it can't track you. So its basically toast. they stole my sig :'(
Gno Chalynn	Posted - 2009.04.15 17:05:00 - [30] Well ok, since you want a basic list of ships you can kill in a ranis, from easiest to hardest, here is my list: 1. Pod, 2. Shuttle 3. Noob ship, 4. Industrial, 5. Level 1 or 2 frigate, 6. Small mining barge (beware of drones) 7. Another interceptor 8. Covert ops, 9. Stealth bomber 10. ? This also assumes that the other ship pilot has the basic skills to fit his ship properly for pvp/0.0 space. You can kill a mining cruiser, maybe a poorly fit BC/BS if you have the cargo capacity to carry enough ammo. But as the other posters have said, get your ranis out into 0.0 space and start targeting the smaller ships and get some pvp time in. You will soon learn what ships you can kill and which ships can kill you.

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