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shadime
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:47:00 -
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Noticed that if you look at price history say 3 months back, many meta-4 modules have a hockeystick pattern with a dive recently and alot of trading preceding this dive. I don't market pvp myself, but if anyone knowlegable has any information about this it would be greatly appreciated. just curious, its interesting
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March rabbit
Trojan Trolls
Red Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:22:00 -
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as far as i understand meta1-4 stuff got kick after Noctis born. More people started to loot and salvage mission wrecks.
what could happen in last 3 months? Maybe new missions with new loot tables which made meta 4 stuff drop more often? |
The PiMan Eatme
Public Haulage And Trade
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:27:00 -
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I've also had much more Meta 4 stuff drop since the update from cleaning up plexes |
Aina Sasaki
Red Core
Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:22:00 -
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I don't know why it happened... but I sure as hell noticed that drop. x_x
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Rengerel en Distel
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:17:00 -
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My guess would be that just more people started to loot their wrecks after the drone changes were confirmed. More meta4 stuff is just actually making it to the market now.
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Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:19:00 -
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Playerbase doesent actually grow with new players .. only new alts. Those get trained very fast to use vastly cheaper and effective t2 tank.
In short .. people dont need meta-4 tank mods as much. Combined with more supply the same time from noctis hordes. |
Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:27:00 -
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shadime wrote:Noticed that if you look at price history say 3 months back, many meta-4 modules have a hockeystick pattern with a dive recently and alot of trading preceding this dive. I don't market pvp myself, but if anyone knowlegable has any information about this it would be greatly appreciated. just curious, its interesting
o/
Since the meta 0 drops have stopped in lvl IV missions I think there are more meta 3 and 4 drops now. Probably just a case of more supply than of old.
I mission quite often and it feels like more of these drop. Hard to tell though. |
Goran Konjich
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:47:00 -
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Caecilia Arene wrote:
I mission quite often and it feels like more of these drop. Hard to tell though.
Yes. But i've seen also a Scrap Metal extravaganza 
"a diplomat with 425mm briefcase II" |
Rengerel en Distel
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
74
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:04:00 -
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Caecilia Arene wrote:shadime wrote:Noticed that if you look at price history say 3 months back, many meta-4 modules have a hockeystick pattern with a dive recently and alot of trading preceding this dive. I don't market pvp myself, but if anyone knowlegable has any information about this it would be greatly appreciated. just curious, its interesting
o/ Since the meta 0 drops have stopped in lvl IV missions I think there are more meta 3 and 4 drops now. Probably just a case of more supply than of old. I mission quite often and it feels like more of these drop. Hard to tell though.
All they did was change every meta0 with scrap metal. You only think there are more 3 and 4 drops because you notice them more, since the meta0 are gone.
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GreenSeed
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:32:00 -
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Noctisgeddon? |
Johnny Frecko
Fruidian Logic
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:56:00 -
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The meta 4's i'm trading are increasing in price. so i'm not sure what to tell you.
As been said, they don't drop more. plus i doubt there are more people running missions than old days.
*maybe* because some left incursions and started doing missions instead, just maybe. can't really know for sure. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1188
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:44:00 -
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shadime wrote:Noticed that if you look at price history say 3 months back, many meta-4 modules have a hockeystick pattern with a dive recently and alot of trading preceding this dive. I don't market pvp myself, but if anyone knowlegable has any information about this it would be greatly appreciated. just curious, its interesting
o/
One of the causes first is maybe some players finally understood how to calculate real value of those items (perfect refining with metal scrap 4/5) and also because of drone poo gone. I always found funny to buy large bombs and 1600 plates at 5 to 10x cheaper than their real value in minerals (not always meta 4 OC). |
Kalli Brixzat
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Posted - 2012.05.04 22:22:00 -
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The only real drop in Meta-4 mods I'm seeing is with weapon systems. I presumed that was a direct effect of the "supposed" increase in the drop rate for such items from mission rats precipitated by the removal of Meta-0 dropthese items s.
I'm stockpiling now in the hopes that the drop rates are adjusted again. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
630
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Posted - 2012.05.04 22:28:00 -
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CCP said they were not replacing meta 0 drops with higher meta, just scrap. In fact thats why we got the scrap. The loot tables work by having a chance of a drop, then a table giving the relative chance for each item type dropping. Just getting rid of meta 0 would have increased the drop rate of everything else. CCP had to replace the meta 0 drops with something else to keep that from happening.
But they did release some more types of plexes. Could the drops from those be the source of new supply?
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
125
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Posted - 2012.05.04 23:05:00 -
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1.
Some one was manipulating it and either decided to take a break and just play the game or go find a girlfriend.
2.
Rumor has it that Meta 4 drops have increased by about 30%, Perhaps this might be the reason.
3.
The news for this patch was suposto make allot of stuff easier to train for, Mainly ships but there where also rumors this could have spiderwebbed into Tech 2 fittings, as the T2 fittings soared in price, I did completely ignore the Meta 4 items.. well except my inexcusable Hoarding of certain items I randomly mess around with time to time.
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????
5.
Profit! |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:23:00 -
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T2 were made better than most Meta 4 quite some time ago. They still have use in making T2 copies but if it's a dive in recent times, I'd speculate and say:
- someone got out of invention or
- stopped stacking them for that mythical day they become more valuable.
I had old habits of hoarding certain items as well. I am slowly learning, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. In the case of EVE that means if it looks like junk loot, chances are it's junk loot. It was fun for a while though  |
papamike
Precipice Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:27:00 -
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I reckon its because CCP has changed the naming of the modules. It spoon feeds people to realise that the items are actually meta 4 and therefore, perhaps worth selling on a market rather then refining.
I dont know, its a pretty weak argument. Its not that hard to sort loot by meta level, but as someone said to me once "In Eve, always bet on stupid" |
Debiru
Flashpoint Industries
Imperial Hull Tankers
10
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:50:00 -
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Large part due to the Noctis.
With Escalation coming in, more scrap metal will be found, which means more people will probably sell their loot instead of just bulk-refining everything they salvaged, since Meta 1-4 will stand out far more than before. With the changes to Vanguard sites there should also be a small migration back to Level 4 missions by people which will increase the supply. |
Tebb1288
Ion Corp.
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:55:00 -
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With Hulkageddon going on, almost everyone I know who mines has shifted to missioning. If this is widespread it could result in an increased supply of the meta items since the beginning of Hulkageddon. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
111
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:22:00 -
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I think there was some pre-patch speculation going on, especially with guns, and then some price taking has occurred.
I managed to clear out some stuff that had been sitting around in my hangers for years.
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Soldarius
United Highsec Front
The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.05.07 05:05:00 -
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I have also noticed an increase in the amount of meta 4 weapons on the market, and a coincidental drop in prices. However, the alteration of the loot tables was as indicated by others, only to replace meta 0 with scraps. So... perhaps some people just reacting by gut and dumping? idk
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:20:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:I have also noticed an increase in the amount of meta 4 weapons on the market, and a coincidental drop in prices. However, the alteration of the loot tables was as indicated by others, only to replace meta 0 with scraps. So... perhaps some people just reacting by gut and dumping? idk
I find it hard to believe that dumping would affect the meta 4 market so uniformly; it seems far more likely that CCP have (perhaps unintentionally) significantly increased the drop rates. |
Kalli Brixzat
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:26:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:I have also noticed an increase in the amount of meta 4 weapons on the market, and a coincidental drop in prices. However, the alteration of the loot tables was as indicated by others, only to replace meta 0 with scraps. So... perhaps some people just reacting by gut and dumping? idk
I was actually under the impression that drop rates for Meta 1 through 4 were increased. Could be wrong here, but I am DEFINITELY getting more of those mods than I ever did before. |
William Joseph Adama
Einstein Rosenbruecke Logistics
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Posted - 2012.05.09 09:08:00 -
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Hello Guys,
CCP removed T1 items with blueprints from loot table, so more missions should drop meta items now. |
Implying Implications
Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.05.09 09:43:00 -
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Looking at the graphs for meta 1-4 you can see the increase in those items being sold this past week. |
Nazim
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:21:00 -
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I noticed that too (the increase of these item turnover in terms of quantity).
Means one of two things either ccp lied to us about the drops not increasing (the horror) or people have taken to liquidating major amount of stocks.
That said I am seeing many instances of people trying to plug the drop by putting up huge buy orders above the other buy orders. I'm assuing that these buy orders are margin scams wihtout the minimum buy order. |
Kalli Brixzat
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:54:00 -
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Nazim wrote:I noticed that too (the increase of these item turnover in terms of quantity).
Means one of two things either ccp lied to us about the drops not increasing (the horror) or people have taken to liquidating major amount of stocks.
That said I am seeing many instances of people trying to plug the drop by putting up huge buy orders above the other buy orders. I'm assuing that these buy orders are margin scams wihtout the minimum buy order.
Could be some truth to that. Given that the Jita event has been winding down since last week - and is basically over now - people are VERY likely selling all the crap they've been too scared to go to Jita to sell.
Otherwise...yes...drop rates increased. There's no other explanation for such a rapid and sudden increase that has remained consistent for 2-3 weeks. |
Grizilk Chanlin
EVE University
Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2012.05.10 06:00:00 -
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Tebb1288 wrote:With Hulkageddon going on, almost everyone I know who mines has shifted to missioning. If this is widespread it could result in an increased supply of the meta items since the beginning of Hulkageddon.
You must not have many friends since there have been close to 4000 mining kills since the start of Hulkageddon.
Unfortunately most of the miners continue to mine and lose ships.
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Tabane Shinonono
House of Nim-Lhach
Lunar Industries Partnership
0
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Posted - 2012.05.10 06:16:00 -
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I salvage in a noctis and I realize that yes the amount of loot that drop has lessened, and yes meta-0 items are now mainly metal scraps.
I do not see a great increase in the amount of meta 1-4 loot that dropped.
A n example, L4 "Gone Berserk" full salvage used to have around 2000-3000m^3 of stuff to loot, after the removal of meta 0 , it has dropped to around 300m^3(Mainly because cap booster charges no longer drop. thankfully).
Note that Gone Berserk is a mission against mercenaries, meaning every wreck has loot.
I seem to only pick up a lot of amno/metal scraps. An average of 20-25 modules will drop. mostly meta 1-3 . I would only see 1-2 meta 4 items drop and usually its something that is not worth going to the market to sell , such as meta 4 reinforced bulkheads
My hypothesis is, loot used to be in so much abundance, it was quite tedious to sort through . People might just refine it all into minerals and sell it. Also , there used to be so much crap modules dropping (not very good mineral:space ratio I.E. Miner I modules) Noctises(how do you plural a Noctis lol , Noctiss/Noctises) have to drop the loot at a station every 2-3 l4 missions. hauling it to a tradehub would be troublesome too if the player is just a mission runner/salvage alt. Imagine having to right click sell, each and every item for over 200 items, and checking if it was worth it to just refine or sell to players.
After the patch, you no longer get huge amounts of modules that you have to sift through to find out whether if it is worth it to sell or to refine it. People can keep their noctis running behind my mission runner for more than 5 missions without docking to drop off stuff. Not so tedious to dualbox a noctis and a mission runner now. The stuff that drop now have better Mineral:Volume Ratio (No more lol "cap booster charges 800")
Also , due to the drop in loot amount my guess is that people become more cautious of what they refine, they use to make at least 1.5times in minerals(I know I do) , Shrinking profit margins make people a little more
Thus, the volume of collected loot are now smaller, people can just haul them to tradehubs when they need to trade w/o the need of carrying large amounts of goods/minerals. Thus more people sell off their meta 4 loot than to refine them along with the rest of the stuff by.
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Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.05.10 09:03:00 -
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I don't care what you all say: it's NOT the Noctis, NOT some enormous manipulation scheme and it's not massive change in player behavior.
That leaves about one thing: drop rates increased. It's not like CCP didn't screw those up before.... |
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