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Trader20	Posted - 2009.04.14 18:30:00 - [31] Split weapons make a ship nerf proof
Mac Maniac Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.14 22:00:00 - [32] Target painter boost would be primo.
Malarkie	Posted - 2009.04.14 23:08:00 - [33] Originally by: Trader20 Split weapons make a ship nerf proof No one can kill you when your dead.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.15 02:26:00 - [34] Originally by: Megan Maynard LEAVE MAH PHOON ALONE! This. 'Phoon is probably the only ship that can do roughly 900 DPS of capless weaponry and have 7 slot armor buffer tank. You could also use Torps/Neuts and be a higher DPS version of the Neut Domi. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Trefnis Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.04.15 08:14:00 - [35] all this phoon is good is rubbish got all relevant skills, just for the phoon, tried it and its rubbish if u plate it its like a brick (like any other bs) it got less ehp and range than other bses and i dont know why ppl dont kill phoon drones ffs it dont have spares, it has drone space but its like one heavy spare and rest is lights/ecm if you want close blasters are better, if you want long lasers are better at long torps dont reach and gunns are in falloff close you are outdpsed and outehped by blaster ships only advantage i can think of is that it can run all on med injector in plate version and you need injector or if you meet mr neut your hardeners and point is off
Jaina Proudmoar Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.04.15 09:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Megan Maynard Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Split weapon systems suck. Give the phoon 5% ROF and Damage to Missiles,large ACs and an additional 5% damage to drones per level. You're freaking caldari! Go fly a raven or something and stop flying the phoon. I LOVE MY PHOON, PLZ BUFF. :P
Alexander Nergal Three Pony	Posted - 2009.04.15 12:32:00 - [37] Edited by: Alexander Nergal on 15/04/2009 12:35:29 "Its distinguishing aspect - and the source of most of the controversy - is its sheer versatility, variously seen as either a lack of design focus or a deliberate freedom for pilot modification." That is from the ship description, and is lies. 4/4 layout with spilt bonuses does not give more 'freedom', the reverse really. What the typhoon needs is a 6/6 layout so you can use both or either weapons effectively, that would be actually versatile.
Alexander Nergal Three Pony	Posted - 2009.04.15 12:38:00 - [38] oh yeah and swap armor/sheild HP around. wtf cpp. ~double post
Scots Crusader Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.04.15 15:11:00 - [39] IMHO, there is not that much wrong with the Phoon. In a perfect world the shield, armour HP are reversed and give me the option of each weapon system with 5 x slots, but I am not holding my breath for it. But as it stands, it is still a good ship and viable in various guises. Those who go on about points on the thing................it is a BS, use tackling buddies, fit a TP in the mids to help your torps and your gang mates guns. As it is, the Phoon is the best option for a Minmatar pilot in a BS gang, he just needs to train a lot of skill trees to make the thing really work. ----------------------------------------------- O wad some power, the giftie gie us, To see oursels as ithers see
Myrkala Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous	Posted - 2009.04.15 16:14:00 - [40] If it would get buffed I'd be hoping it would be: 6/6 (or 5/5, just a little customization) Turret/Missile Hardpoints and some useful drone bonus, not a damage one though. More like drone velocity or optimal range per level. "Ruppie ain't no puppie."
Nova Satar Annihilate.	Posted - 2009.04.16 08:02:00 - [41] i fly phoon ALOT. it doesnt need a bonus, it's an amazing ship... however, if it was to be changed i'd vote for 6 misisle slots and 6 gun slots with the same 8 highs, just for more flexbility. E.g 6 Torp 2 gun, or vice versa
Vardemis Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.04.16 08:21:00 - [42] The Typhoon is actually a very good ship, since it offers the kind of versatility that is less and less seen in eve. (The new T3 ships being a big exception, but not a whole lot of people will be able to afford them on a constant basis.) The more different good setups you can have for a ship, the better it is, because the opponent is kept in the dark until it is too late. Ships like Deimos, Guardian and others are far more specialized towards certain tactics, which is good, but having specialized ships only can get rather boring.
Nicodemus Shylock	Posted - 2009.04.29 03:07:00 - [43] Great ship. You just have to know how to use it right.
Thalene	Posted - 2009.04.29 03:14:00 - [44] Split weapons sends you in one of two directions: full out gank (meh) or plated and good dps. No other battleship can match the phoons damage with no damage mods, this is its strength. Fit it accordingly and you will love it.
Liang Nuren No Salvation PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.29 04:31:00 - [45] Originally by: Thalene Split weapons sends you in one of two directions: full out gank (meh) or plated and good dps. No other battleship can match the phoons damage with no damage mods, this is its strength. Fit it accordingly and you will love it. The flip side of this is that your Amarr/Caldari/Gallente friends will have finished training up dreads AND carriers by the time you finish training for the phoon - let alone the naglrofl or niddy. I mean, sure, it's versatile, sure it does ok damage, but really something that requires that much more SP than any other ship damn well better have hella **ing dividends. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Rho Jones 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.04.29 04:44:00 - [46] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Thalene Split weapons sends you in one of two directions: full out gank (meh) or plated and good dps. No other battleship can match the phoons damage with no damage mods, this is its strength. Fit it accordingly and you will love it. The flip side of this is that your Amarr/Caldari/Gallente friends will have finished training up dreads AND carriers by the time you finish training for the phoon - let alone the naglrofl or niddy. I mean, sure, it's versatile, sure it does ok damage, but really something that requires that much more SP than any other ship damn well better have hella **ing dividends. -Liang I have to respectfully disagree with you Liang. Even with all relevant skills to 4, as long as you have 4mil in drones, and one of it's weapon systems maxed, the phoon performs very well. This does not require -that- much more training than for example a Mega. If it got a 2-3% boost through some means, I'd say it was the best BS for solo, period.
Liang Nuren No Salvation PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.29 08:08:00 - [47] Originally by: Rho Jones I have to respectfully disagree with you Liang. As long as you have 4mil in drones, and one of it's weapon systems maxed, and the second weapon system with all support + skills at 4, the phoon performs very well. This does not require -that- much more training than for example a Mega. If it got a 2-3% boost through some means, I'd say it was the best BS for solo, period. Comments: - Solo BS is dead. It isn't coming back. Also, examine the Domi. - People balance a ship around what it's "maximum" is for all of its roles, and if the Phoon "evens out" with the other BS's at 60M SP where they need 30M SP, then it's a pretty raw deal. - 4M in drones means you'll be a one trick pony (T2 heavies), but you don't have any of the versatility that the phoon is balanced around (T2 rep drones, T2 sentries, etc) - While you train Torps 5 and assorted support skills, a Mega pilot would either be finished with cap ship training or have really polished off their supports. Trust me, I know. I did it (Liang vs my main). The phoon is - that - much more SP intensive than the Mega. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2009.04.29 08:59:00 - [48] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Rho Jones I have to respectfully disagree with you Liang. As long as you have 4mil in drones, and one of it's weapon systems maxed, and the second weapon system with all support + skills at 4, the phoon performs very well. This does not require -that- much more training than for example a Mega. If it got a 2-3% boost through some means, I'd say it was the best BS for solo, period. Comments: - Solo BS is dead. It isn't coming back. Also, examine the Domi. - People balance a ship around what it's "maximum" is for all of its roles, and if the Phoon "evens out" with the other BS's at 60M SP where they need 30M SP, then it's a pretty raw deal. - 4M in drones means you'll be a one trick pony (T2 heavies), but you don't have any of the versatility that the phoon is balanced around (T2 rep drones, T2 sentries, etc) - While you train Torps 5 and assorted support skills, a Mega pilot would either be finished with cap ship training or have really polished off their supports. Trust me, I know. I did it (Liang vs my main). The phoon is - that - much more SP intensive than the Mega. -Liang Currently I am working on a sniper phoon, I posted the fit a year+ ago and am still not completed, the support skills required to make it somewhat effective is so far above any other setup for any other sniping battleship that it is probably a gross waste of time. Still after all this time, almost done. Most of my friends ofcourse have nicely fitted capitals and other insane ships that don't require X Years of training to be great at.
big miker Minmatar Order of Anarchy	Posted - 2009.04.29 09:30:00 - [49] Currently I am working on a sniper phoon, I posted the fit a year+ ago and am still not completed, the support skills required to make it somewhat effective is so far above any other setup for any other sniping battleship that it is probably a gross waste of time. Still after all this time, almost done. Most of my friends ofcourse have nicely fitted capitals and other insane ships that don't require X Years of training to be great at. Now train caldari or gallente BS to lvl 4 and you can do so much more . imho a pretty good thing about it. Can fly so much else on a very decent way when you got a specced phoon. Besides, 5/5 slot layout would be perfect
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2009.04.29 09:56:00 - [50] Originally by: big miker Currently I am working on a sniper phoon, I posted the fit a year+ ago and am still not completed, the support skills required to make it somewhat effective is so far above any other setup for any other sniping battleship that it is probably a gross waste of time. Still after all this time, almost done. Most of my friends ofcourse have nicely fitted capitals and other insane ships that don't require X Years of training to be great at. Now train caldari or gallente BS to lvl 4 and you can do so much more . imho a pretty good thing about it. Can fly so much else on a very decent way when you got a specced phoon. Besides, 5/5 slot layout would be perfect Yes 5/5 slot layour and increase the rof bonus to 7.5% for both missile and projectiles. .. I have another solution however to make the typhoon the true ultimate do anything battleship, what if the typhoon's ROF bonuses were for small, medium, and large projectiles and for standard, rocket, assault, heavy, heavy assault, cruise and torps. Yes thats right, what if the typhoon got the bonus for any sub capital missile or projectile weapon. What would people think of that? I restate for completeness. Set the Typhoon's rate of fire bonuses to work with all sub capital projectile and missile weapons.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.04.29 10:02:00 - [51] inserts fake whine about dominix having dual weapon bonuses
haq aan Omega Enterprises Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.04.29 10:08:00 - [52] 5 / 5 Weapon Hardpoints. Thats the MAJOR thing she desperately in need of. (same approach goes with Bellicose family) I will say no more. haq
kyrv	Posted - 2009.04.29 11:18:00 - [53] The best way I use typhoon is to tank the best I can find in lows and use the base dps working it to be more efficient as poss. I've soloed abbadons, megathrongs and others quite easily doing that. Split weapons give you a choice to outrange the megathrong or orbit with afterburner fast loseing some tracking gaining from the siege launchers theres some real tactics to be found with one of these.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2009.04.29 14:34:00 - [54] Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 29/04/2009 14:43:17 +25% effectiveness of weapon upgrades / lvl on all split ships, tbh: nagl phoon that off.sub. on the loki huginn lachesis fleet scythe eris tristan a bunch of faction frigs x_X - putting the gist back into logistics
Max Hardcase Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2009.04.29 16:40:00 - [55] Edited by: Max Hardcase on 29/04/2009 16:40:59 How about giving the phoon a 3rd half bonus ? Namely : 5%/lvl to drone HP and dmg ? I mean it is the best minmatar drone carrier.
Rosalia Vannetti	Posted - 2009.04.29 16:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Thalene Split weapons sends you in one of two directions: full out gank (meh) or plated and good dps. No other battleship can match the phoons damage with no damage mods, this is its strength. Fit it accordingly and you will love it. and what about ionII plus ogresII on a dominix? they outdamage a plated phoon and receives 2 different bonus hibrid t. damage drone damage and hitpoints..... so why the phoon gets endeed only one bonus? give a logic answer or gtfo
Bloody Puppy Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.04.29 16:48:00 - [57] Edited by: Bloody Puppy on 29/04/2009 16:48:25 Originally by: Max Hardcase Edited by: Max Hardcase on 29/04/2009 16:40:59 How about giving the phoon a 3rd half bonus ? Namely : 5%/lvl to drone HP and dmg ? I mean it is the best minmatar drone carrier. hey AWAR: Kaar teach 10% mas reduction per level ------------------------------------------------- The puppy -- yarr WHY EVERYONE LOVES ME BUT NOONE UNDERSTAND ME? Albert Heinstein
arbiter reborn	Posted - 2009.04.29 17:42:00 - [58] but mits sooooo sexahh, the only issue is train time but that just makes it more rewarding when you can fly one properly, too me minmitar are like the endgame bs race, just cos there so much harder to train, fly, survive in. who cares if there statistcly underpowerd(and in the case of the maelstrom and phoon ther really not, not saying i dont enjoy the tempest) there fun to fly at least for me, and thats whats important for me at least,
Gunny Fisher VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.04.29 22:30:00 - [59] Originally by: Nian Banks Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Rho Jones I have to respectfully disagree with you Liang. As long as you have 4mil in drones, and one of it's weapon systems maxed, and the second weapon system with all support + skills at 4, the phoon performs very well. This does not require -that- much more training than for example a Mega. If it got a 2-3% boost through some means, I'd say it was the best BS for solo, period. Comments: - Solo BS is dead. It isn't coming back. Also, examine the Domi. - People balance a ship around what it's "maximum" is for all of its roles, and if the Phoon "evens out" with the other BS's at 60M SP where they need 30M SP, then it's a pretty raw deal. - 4M in drones means you'll be a one trick pony (T2 heavies), but you don't have any of the versatility that the phoon is balanced around (T2 rep drones, T2 sentries, etc) - While you train Torps 5 and assorted support skills, a Mega pilot would either be finished with cap ship training or have really polished off their supports. Trust me, I know. I did it (Liang vs my main). The phoon is - that - much more SP intensive than the Mega. -Liang Currently I am working on a sniper phoon, I posted the fit a year+ ago and am still not completed, the support skills required to make it somewhat effective is so far above any other setup for any other sniping battleship that it is probably a gross waste of time. Still after all this time, almost done. Most of my friends ofcourse have nicely fitted capitals and other insane ships that don't require X Years of training to be great at. Why, may I ask, would you even want to try and make a sniper 'phoon. It only has 4 gun slots. missles aren't used for snipeing for a reason. Support killing is for hacs and recons, plus the scorps who fit cruises in there highs.
Thalene	Posted - 2009.04.29 22:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Rosalia Vannetti and what about ionII plus ogresII on a dominix? they outdamage a plated phoon and receives 2 different bonus hibrid t. damage drone damage and hitpoints..... so why the phoon gets endeed only one bonus? give a logic answer or gtfo Yeah it does like 10 more dps for cap with poor range . But OK the phoon does the second best damage with no damage mods. Let's try this again. How much PG do you have left after fitting 6 large ion II and an mwd? A: not enough for a single 1600mm plate. The phoon has the best useful setup with no damage mods and a passive tank. There's your logical answer, now GTFO. And Liang, balance doesn't work that way and you know it. Sure it seems really long if you're actively training for the phoon but not so if you pick it up when you already have most of those skills. It's not like they aren't useful for other ships.

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