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Van'Helsing
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Posted - 2004.08.27 06:38:00 -
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H) 2x 250mm Rail with AM (market variety - trying to get carbide or compressed)
H) 1x 250mm Barbide Rail with AM (trying to get compressed)
M) 1x 10MN MWD
M) 2x Named Medium Cap Boosters (150's or 100's or 75's)
M) 1x Shield Hardener (EM seems to work best against Serpentis)
L) 1x Med Armor Rep II
L) 2x RCU I's (don't yet have skills to use RCU II's)
L) 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Works well enough against L3 Agent Kill Missions even the ones what spam heavy missiles. The only problem is having enough Cap Booster Charges in cargo hold - some battles can consume 10 or more. I would want to have 4x 250mm Rails but the setup above uses 1133 grid. I realize this isn't the best setup for PvP but then I'm not doing any PvP with it.
Anyone got any suggestions ? |
Van'Helsing
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Posted - 2004.08.27 06:38:00 -
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H) 2x 250mm Rail with AM (market variety - trying to get carbide or compressed)
H) 1x 250mm Barbide Rail with AM (trying to get compressed)
M) 1x 10MN MWD
M) 2x Named Medium Cap Boosters (150's or 100's or 75's)
M) 1x Shield Hardener (EM seems to work best against Serpentis)
L) 1x Med Armor Rep II
L) 2x RCU I's (don't yet have skills to use RCU II's)
L) 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Works well enough against L3 Agent Kill Missions even the ones what spam heavy missiles. The only problem is having enough Cap Booster Charges in cargo hold - some battles can consume 10 or more. I would want to have 4x 250mm Rails but the setup above uses 1133 grid. I realize this isn't the best setup for PvP but then I'm not doing any PvP with it.
Anyone got any suggestions ? |
Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.08.27 08:01:00 -
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my setup is:
hi: 4x 250mm, 1x heavy launcher, 1x standard launcher
med: 1x 10mn MWD, 1x med shied booster, 2x cap rechargers
low: 2x hybrid dammage mods, 2x power relays
On hybrids i use iridium ammos ( > 60km fire range  ), on launcher i have kinetic heavy missiles, on standard launcher i have defenders ( never used ;-) ). I warp on 60km far and keep distance, shot all without being hitted one time ( nobody catch u on this distance ). If u get an > 100k pirate leave it for last, and if u ca'nt destroy it only with turrets & iridium, swith on thorium ammos & go 40km far and use also missiles.
Personally i kill also 100k pirates only with iridium ammos & 60km far, but this depends on your skills, if u ca'nt simply use also launcher.
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.08.27 08:01:00 -
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my setup is:
hi: 4x 250mm, 1x heavy launcher, 1x standard launcher
med: 1x 10mn MWD, 1x med shied booster, 2x cap rechargers
low: 2x hybrid dammage mods, 2x power relays
On hybrids i use iridium ammos ( > 60km fire range ), on launcher i have kinetic heavy missiles, on standard launcher i have defenders ( never used ;-) ). I warp on 60km far and keep distance, shot all without being hitted one time ( nobody catch u on this distance ). If u get an > 100k pirate leave it for last, and if u ca'nt destroy it only with turrets & iridium, swith on thorium ammos & go 40km far and use also missiles.
Personally i kill also 100k pirates only with iridium ammos & 60km far, but this depends on your skills, if u ca'nt simply use also launcher.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2004.08.27 08:05:00 -
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you might be better off going for an assault launcher over a std launbcher on a cruiser. better rof, holds waaaay more missiles.
Fear the Ibis of doom. |
Boonaki
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Posted - 2004.08.27 08:05:00 -
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you might be better off going for an assault launcher over a std launbcher on a cruiser. better rof, holds waaaay more missiles.
Fear the Ibis of doom. |
Grischu
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Posted - 2004.08.27 08:07:00 -
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Edited by: Grischu on 27/08/2004 08:09:26
my setup is:
hi: 4x 250mm, 2x heavy launcher
med: 1x med shield booster II, 3x cap rechargers
low: 1x hybrid dammage mods, 2x RCU I, 1x nanofiber
i use Antimatter for the rails and Thunderbolt/Widowmaker for the launcher. Warp at 40km
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Grischu
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Posted - 2004.08.27 08:07:00 -
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Edited by: Grischu on 27/08/2004 08:09:26
my setup is:
hi: 4x 250mm, 2x heavy launcher
med: 1x med shield booster II, 3x cap rechargers
low: 1x hybrid dammage mods, 2x RCU I, 1x nanofiber
i use Antimatter for the rails and Thunderbolt/Widowmaker for the launcher. Warp at 40km
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.08.27 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 27/08/2004 08:27:23
 Originally by: Boonaki
you might be better off going for an assault launcher over a std launbcher on a cruiser. better rof, holds waaaay more missiles.
U realy think i do'nt thinked on that?
To fit a second heavy launcher i need more powercore and i can chose to take of a dammage mod ( bad idea) or put 2 x power realys II, but actually i prefer not spend money to fit a second launcher if i never use the one i already have. ;-)
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.08.27 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 27/08/2004 08:27:23
Originally by: Boonaki
you might be better off going for an assault launcher over a std launbcher on a cruiser. better rof, holds waaaay more missiles.
U realy think i do'nt thinked on that?
To fit a second heavy launcher i need more powercore and i can chose to take of a dammage mod ( bad idea) or put 2 x power realys II, but actually i prefer not spend money to fit a second launcher if i never use the one i already have. ;-)
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.08.27 08:39:00 -
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Moa setup:
4x250mm railgun (i use proto gauss)
2xhvy launcher (i use arbalests)
1xmedium shield booster (i use C5-L but tech2 is good)
2xhardners
1xshield boost amp
2xRCU
1xmag field (tech2)
1xtracking comp (tech2)
If fighting serpentis use a thermal + kinetic hardner, serps dont do any EM dmg at all. Use AM in the rails, with half decent skillz u can hit at 40km +. Usual dmg ~100. Most cruiser last 4-5 volleys max, frigs need to be dealt with early cos if they get close the 250's wont hit. Shield is never down lower than 70%. Only problem is u need a good agent that doesnt send u more than 1 system away.
And if your looking for a compressed coil contact my bro (Phearr in game) cos i got one but dont have access to internet cept at work. He will sort u out with it, just tell him i sent you. 3.5mil a fair price 
Forums: Sharks - MC |
Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.08.27 08:39:00 -
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Moa setup:
4x250mm railgun (i use proto gauss)
2xhvy launcher (i use arbalests)
1xmedium shield booster (i use C5-L but tech2 is good)
2xhardners
1xshield boost amp
2xRCU
1xmag field (tech2)
1xtracking comp (tech2)
If fighting serpentis use a thermal + kinetic hardner, serps dont do any EM dmg at all. Use AM in the rails, with half decent skillz u can hit at 40km +. Usual dmg ~100. Most cruiser last 4-5 volleys max, frigs need to be dealt with early cos if they get close the 250's wont hit. Shield is never down lower than 70%. Only problem is u need a good agent that doesnt send u more than 1 system away.
And if your looking for a compressed coil contact my bro (Phearr in game) cos i got one but dont have access to internet cept at work. He will sort u out with it, just tell him i sent you. 3.5mil a fair price
Forums: Sharks - MC |
DarK
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Posted - 2004.08.27 08:47:00 -
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Hi:
4 x 250mm rails(various named)
Med:
1 x Med shield booster II
3 x tracking computers II
Low:
2 x tracking enhancer II
2 x magfield II
Gets a damage mod of around 4.5 - 5 and if using antimatter you get 45km orso(cruiser5, sharpshooter4). Kills things very quickly and if they get to around 10km you should still be able to get good hits and kill them, thanks to better tracking.
I don't bother with missiles for agent missions, totally unnecessary and expensive.
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DarK
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Posted - 2004.08.27 08:47:00 -
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Hi:
4 x 250mm rails(various named)
Med:
1 x Med shield booster II
3 x tracking computers II
Low:
2 x tracking enhancer II
2 x magfield II
Gets a damage mod of around 4.5 - 5 and if using antimatter you get 45km orso(cruiser5, sharpshooter4). Kills things very quickly and if they get to around 10km you should still be able to get good hits and kill them, thanks to better tracking.
I don't bother with missiles for agent missions, totally unnecessary and expensive.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.08.27 10:50:00 -
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This is it :
3 250 mm rails
1 150 mm rail
2 assault launchers
1 10 MN MWD
2 Tracking Comps
1 Med shield booster
3 Hybrid Dmg Mods
1 Signal Amp
Warp in at 60 using the ammo for your skills to achieve and maintain an effective range at 45-50km.
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K. Raven
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.08.27 10:50:00 -
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This is it :
3 250 mm rails
1 150 mm rail
2 assault launchers
1 10 MN MWD
2 Tracking Comps
1 Med shield booster
3 Hybrid Dmg Mods
1 Signal Amp
Warp in at 60 using the ammo for your skills to achieve and maintain an effective range at 45-50km.
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K. Raven
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Sgt Mayhem
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Moa setup:
4x250mm railgun (i use proto gauss)
2xhvy launcher (i use arbalests)
1xmedium shield booster (i use C5-L but tech2 is good)
2xhardners
1xshield boost amp
2xRCU
1xmag field (tech2)
1xtracking comp (tech2)
If fighting serpentis use a thermal + kinetic hardner, serps dont do any EM dmg at all. Use AM in the rails, with half decent skillz u can hit at 40km +. Usual dmg ~100. Most cruiser last 4-5 volleys max, frigs need to be dealt with early cos if they get close the 250's wont hit. Shield is never down lower than 70%. Only problem is u need a good agent that doesnt send u more than 1 system away.
And if your looking for a compressed coil contact my bro (Phearr in game) cos i got one but dont have access to internet cept at work. He will sort u out with it, just tell him i sent you. 3.5mil a fair price
Isn't the Tracking Computer a medium slot?? i guess you mean tracking enhancer??
Regards
Sgt Mayhem
* Any non-greedy corps with the BPO doing a more reasonable pricing structure?
* Are you serious? This is eve mate. |
Sgt Mayhem
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Moa setup:
4x250mm railgun (i use proto gauss)
2xhvy launcher (i use arbalests)
1xmedium shield booster (i use C5-L but tech2 is good)
2xhardners
1xshield boost amp
2xRCU
1xmag field (tech2)
1xtracking comp (tech2)
If fighting serpentis use a thermal + kinetic hardner, serps dont do any EM dmg at all. Use AM in the rails, with half decent skillz u can hit at 40km +. Usual dmg ~100. Most cruiser last 4-5 volleys max, frigs need to be dealt with early cos if they get close the 250's wont hit. Shield is never down lower than 70%. Only problem is u need a good agent that doesnt send u more than 1 system away.
And if your looking for a compressed coil contact my bro (Phearr in game) cos i got one but dont have access to internet cept at work. He will sort u out with it, just tell him i sent you. 3.5mil a fair price
Isn't the Tracking Computer a medium slot?? i guess you mean tracking enhancer??
Regards
Sgt Mayhem
* Any non-greedy corps with the BPO doing a more reasonable pricing structure?
* Are you serious? This is eve mate. |
Sarinas
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 27/08/2004 08:27:23
Originally by: Boonaki
you might be better off going for an assault launcher over a std launbcher on a cruiser. better rof, holds waaaay more missiles.
U realy think i do'nt thinked on that?
To fit a second heavy launcher i need more powercore and i can chose to take of a dammage mod ( bad idea) or put 2 x power realys II, but actually i prefer not spend money to fit a second launcher if i never use the one i already have. ;-)
He said ASSAULT launcher, not HEAVY.
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I bring you joy,
I bring you pain,
I bring you some sunshine
And some rain. |
Sarinas
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 27/08/2004 08:27:23
Originally by: Boonaki
you might be better off going for an assault launcher over a std launbcher on a cruiser. better rof, holds waaaay more missiles.
U realy think i do'nt thinked on that?
To fit a second heavy launcher i need more powercore and i can chose to take of a dammage mod ( bad idea) or put 2 x power realys II, but actually i prefer not spend money to fit a second launcher if i never use the one i already have. ;-)
He said ASSAULT launcher, not HEAVY.
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I bring you joy,
I bring you pain,
I bring you some sunshine
And some rain. |
Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sarinas
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 27/08/2004 08:27:23
Originally by: Boonaki
you might be better off going for an assault launcher over a std launbcher on a cruiser. better rof, holds waaaay more missiles.
U realy think i do'nt thinked on that?
To fit a second heavy launcher i need more powercore and i can chose to take of a dammage mod ( bad idea) or put 2 x power realys II, but actually i prefer not spend money to fit a second launcher if i never use the one i already have. ;-)
He said ASSAULT launcher, not HEAVY.
Oh my good, u guys are realy too precise, i just typed wrong!
I have 10 powercore left ( and yes, i have engineering 5 ), so i cant mount neither an heavy launcher, neither an assault launcher.
The only launcher i could put was the standard one. As i told before i can put better launcher fitting tech2 power relays, but i did'nt did that because i never used any missile, so i do'nt care this difference.
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sarinas
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 27/08/2004 08:27:23
Originally by: Boonaki
you might be better off going for an assault launcher over a std launbcher on a cruiser. better rof, holds waaaay more missiles.
U realy think i do'nt thinked on that?
To fit a second heavy launcher i need more powercore and i can chose to take of a dammage mod ( bad idea) or put 2 x power realys II, but actually i prefer not spend money to fit a second launcher if i never use the one i already have. ;-)
He said ASSAULT launcher, not HEAVY.
Oh my good, u guys are realy too precise, i just typed wrong!
I have 10 powercore left ( and yes, i have engineering 5 ), so i cant mount neither an heavy launcher, neither an assault launcher.
The only launcher i could put was the standard one. As i told before i can put better launcher fitting tech2 power relays, but i did'nt did that because i never used any missile, so i do'nt care this difference.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.08.27 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Mayhem
Isn't the Tracking Computer a medium slot?? i guess you mean tracking enhancer??
you know wot i mean 
Forums: Sharks - MC |
Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.08.27 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Mayhem
Isn't the Tracking Computer a medium slot?? i guess you mean tracking enhancer??
you know wot i mean
Forums: Sharks - MC |
101110101101
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Posted - 2004.08.27 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Van'Helsing
H) 2x 250mm Rail with AM (market variety - trying to get carbide or compressed)
H) 1x 250mm Barbide Rail with AM (trying to get compressed)
M) 1x 10MN MWD
M) 2x Named Medium Cap Boosters (150's or 100's or 75's)
M) 1x Shield Hardener (EM seems to work best against Serpentis)
L) 1x Med Armor Rep II
L) 2x RCU I's (don't yet have skills to use RCU II's)
L) 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Works well enough against L3 Agent Kill Missions even the ones what spam heavy missiles. The only problem is having enough Cap Booster Charges in cargo hold - some battles can consume 10 or more. I would want to have 4x 250mm Rails but the setup above uses 1133 grid. I realize this isn't the best setup for PvP but then I'm not doing any PvP with it.
Anyone got any suggestions ?
Well I must say I am quite surprised I wasn't flamed at all over my lame MOA setup since I was sure having only 3 guns like a Celestis was lame - or is it just that the MOA is just so lame being a Tier 3 Cruiser and all versus the Celestis which is a Tier 2 Cruiser... anyway... thanks for the feedback. |
101110101101
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Posted - 2004.08.27 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Van'Helsing
H) 2x 250mm Rail with AM (market variety - trying to get carbide or compressed)
H) 1x 250mm Barbide Rail with AM (trying to get compressed)
M) 1x 10MN MWD
M) 2x Named Medium Cap Boosters (150's or 100's or 75's)
M) 1x Shield Hardener (EM seems to work best against Serpentis)
L) 1x Med Armor Rep II
L) 2x RCU I's (don't yet have skills to use RCU II's)
L) 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Works well enough against L3 Agent Kill Missions even the ones what spam heavy missiles. The only problem is having enough Cap Booster Charges in cargo hold - some battles can consume 10 or more. I would want to have 4x 250mm Rails but the setup above uses 1133 grid. I realize this isn't the best setup for PvP but then I'm not doing any PvP with it.
Anyone got any suggestions ?
Well I must say I am quite surprised I wasn't flamed at all over my lame MOA setup since I was sure having only 3 guns like a Celestis was lame - or is it just that the MOA is just so lame being a Tier 3 Cruiser and all versus the Celestis which is a Tier 2 Cruiser... anyway... thanks for the feedback. |
Krendig
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Posted - 2004.08.28 06:20:00 -
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Celestis can't take nearly the beating a Moa with a good sized booster and a couple hardeners can take. 
And actually, my preferred setup was 3x 250mm RG, 2x Heavy Launcher, 1x smartbomb-- Used the smartbomb for missile defense, and kept the missile launchers loaded with heavies.
--Krendig
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Krendig
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Posted - 2004.08.28 06:20:00 -
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Celestis can't take nearly the beating a Moa with a good sized booster and a couple hardeners can take.
And actually, my preferred setup was 3x 250mm RG, 2x Heavy Launcher, 1x smartbomb-- Used the smartbomb for missile defense, and kept the missile launchers loaded with heavies.
--Krendig
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Petr Sorokin
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Posted - 2004.08.28 06:32:00 -
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For L3 agent missions you really don't need hardners, repairers at all. Since you won't ever get hit.
4x 250mm rails
1x heavy launcher
1x std launcher
1x 10mn mwd
1x cap recharger
1x tracking comp
1x med shield booster
1x mag field stabilizer
1x reactor control units
2x power diagnostic system
With that you can easily hit at 60km even with lead ammo and there aren't any mission npcs who can even hit you at that range. As your gunnery skills improve you can just slowly drop down the ammo list using ever heavier ammo and still staying 50-60km from the enemy. Need to keep the mwd since enough of the L3 mission rats carry them.
With lead and compressed coil 250s you can get wrecking hits into the 200s, most fights aren't very long even against 100k pirates.
As others have said the launchers are kind of an after thought you don't really need them. Not quite enough grid to get 2 heavy launchers in there or to drop the rcu for another pds.
Actually L3 missions are pretty dull in a Moa none of them are challenging at all once you have a few skills under your belt. The NPCs you fight are nearly all set up for close range fighting and are totally ineffective at the long ranges the Moa can hit from.
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Petr Sorokin
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Posted - 2004.08.28 06:32:00 -
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For L3 agent missions you really don't need hardners, repairers at all. Since you won't ever get hit.
4x 250mm rails
1x heavy launcher
1x std launcher
1x 10mn mwd
1x cap recharger
1x tracking comp
1x med shield booster
1x mag field stabilizer
1x reactor control units
2x power diagnostic system
With that you can easily hit at 60km even with lead ammo and there aren't any mission npcs who can even hit you at that range. As your gunnery skills improve you can just slowly drop down the ammo list using ever heavier ammo and still staying 50-60km from the enemy. Need to keep the mwd since enough of the L3 mission rats carry them.
With lead and compressed coil 250s you can get wrecking hits into the 200s, most fights aren't very long even against 100k pirates.
As others have said the launchers are kind of an after thought you don't really need them. Not quite enough grid to get 2 heavy launchers in there or to drop the rcu for another pds.
Actually L3 missions are pretty dull in a Moa none of them are challenging at all once you have a few skills under your belt. The NPCs you fight are nearly all set up for close range fighting and are totally ineffective at the long ranges the Moa can hit from.
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