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Thercon Jair Minmatar Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.04.17 14:44:00 - [61] Oh, and to add something else too: what you ultimately want is 0.0 local turned to the way WH local channel works. With that you can get a nice fleet of recons and SBs in, without anyone noticing, at which point you can start to sneak up on unsuspecting victims behind enemy lines. Only then will recons/SBs and most importantly, Black Ops, become really useful. Strike fast, strike hard, fade away. Imagine when you can sneak up on a hostile mining ops where all ships are clustered, and you go and release bombs upon them >:) Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar!
Mephistophilis Domination. PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.17 14:46:00 - [62] Originally by: logeoff now Edited by: logeoff now on 17/04/2009 13:57:38 How dont you get it? And 10 Battleships do 45k raw damage. So.. how its gonna be now? And you really think that BS fleets roam around without interceptors/dictors/small support????? Lets put it this way: What do you guys do with your 10 bombers if there is 10 HACs against you? what? :D You talk about paper stats, and go on about 45k from 10 BS's but you're not going to put anyware near that on the SB. SB's can still do serious dmg to cruisers btw Like the rest quickly pointed out...... Stay cloaked? It's not an all rounder it's a spec ship now with a defined purpose. FFS man, do you think i'd take a fleet of anything out without support? The point is, solo, supported or even as support, the SB has it's role where as before it didn't! What about fighting pirate gate camps in low sec, don't see many frigate size ships there I suggest you do as your name says and go test properly on SISI and see what the new ship can do, what it's usefull for and what it's not usefull for.
BillyBob Esq	Posted - 2009.04.17 17:52:00 - [63] Finally all the highsec wardeckers have the perfect ship to hunt down solo mission runners. I mean, when else are you going to find solo battleships just hanging around. Or if they want to they can just make these ships able to ram and call the kamakazis since taking on a set up gate camp with torps is only going to end one way. Were else are you going to find that many ships set up for fast target lock. Go out in massive all cloaked fleets? Not a bad idea, but at some point having that many people in more direct combat ships just works better. Bombs are cool, and its a BOMBER, let it mount two bomb racks or give it bigger bonus to their use. That would be some freakin firepower. If they want it to be a torpedo boat, I think it would be cooler with speed bonuses than the whole cloak routine. Make it like PT boats from WW2, small, fast, and a big punch.
kessah The 14K	Posted - 2009.04.17 18:00:00 - [64] Stealth bombers are seriously scary to a Battleship pilot now and tbh this is how when they were first annonced how i thought they would be. Cruise missles really are rubbish always have been imho, the dps is just alwful. They dont kill interceptors or small ships unless that pilot is an idiot. They can reach upto nearly 500 dps onto a Battleship or Shield buffer tank, my god three of these will break any battleship tank. I personally think its too powerful a change, seriously hope i dont get caught by them.
Fzhal Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.17 19:50:00 - [65] Edited by: Fzhal on 17/04/2009 19:52:40 When one poster said 10 BS's versus 10 stealth bombers I laughed out loud. I would love to be in that situation, IN A BOMBER! Bombers align cloaked. Decloak and fire all at the same battleship. Then Warp as the torpedos hit. Pop goes a BS and there is nothing the battleships can do about it. Then they come back for the second target. Once the second BS pops I think the rest will get the idea and bug out. AND THATS WITH TORPS ONLY! You can use a bomb launcher AND Torps now! Wit my skills bombs do 8,000 damage in a 15km radius. PRAYS: Dear lord please let me be in a bomber in the above situation!
Seishi Maru M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.04.17 19:56:00 - [66] Originally by: logeoff now Edited by: logeoff now on 17/04/2009 13:15:15 Originally by: Mephistophilis This change has been called for for so many years. The SB always had the potential to be a real combat ship but just wasn't. I hardly ever saw them being used in fleets or roaming gangs. The potential for this new setup is devastating, i've been testing for a few weeks on sisi now and i think it'll not be long till you start to see SB fleets desimating BS fleets. Don't get me wrong, it's not the new nano. Although it can be fast, it's not fast enough to avoid dmg and it's paper thin skin makes it pretty vulnerable. I think this is an awsome change, nice one CCP In this case answer this: If a BS fleet can tank another BS fleet and SB makes less damage than one BS then from which angle will this SB fleet kill encountered BS fleet? HUH? Any common sense plz? thnx? k? sure.. I coudl just say you lack any understanding of simple discreete simulation.. but will elaborate... Your attackign ship deals 100 dama ge every second.. 100 DPS Your defendign ship has 1000 HP and can regain 303 damage every 3 seconds... So it can tank the attackers... ok Now your other attackign force deals 2000 damage every 100 seconds.. so 20 dps. Dps way smaller than target tank. But it wil INSTA POP THE DAMM TARGET BEFORE ANY TANK !!!
logeoff now	Posted - 2009.04.17 21:31:00 - [67] Who is stupid enough to keep ratting in system when there are many unknown neutrals? the one who does is a noob and can be killed even by cruisers.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.04.17 22:16:00 - [68] Originally by: logeoff now Who is stupid enough to keep ratting in system when there are many unknown neutrals? the one who does is a noob and can be killed even by cruisers. Stop. You're a moron.
Mystafyre Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.17 22:18:00 - [69] Originally by: King Dave p.s. shutup op, they had no role before Q F T. period.
Mystafyre Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.17 22:22:00 - [70] Protip: frigate sized target going 800 ms in 90 degree angle at 50 km range to any sniping BS... Will not get hit - ever. But they will hit them, with massive volleys, every, freaking time. Is there really this much solo pvp'ers in eve? Maybe CCP should bring boxed version of EVE Online for these with like one system where they can have solo in titans against fleets of noobships?

Manterror	Posted - 2009.04.17 23:36:00 - [71] If they cant already, then; Ultimate Stealth Bomber ability = Deploying bombs while in MWD...now THATS bombing.
Lady Serendipity	Posted - 2009.04.18 00:37:00 - [72] Edited by: Lady Serendipity on 18/04/2009 00:39:11 Originally by: logeoff now Edited by: logeoff now on 17/04/2009 13:15:15 Originally by: Mephistophilis This change has been called for for so many years. The SB always had the potential to be a real combat ship but just wasn't. I hardly ever saw them being used in fleets or roaming gangs. The potential for this new setup is devastating, i've been testing for a few weeks on sisi now and i think it'll not be long till you start to see SB fleets desimating BS fleets. Don't get me wrong, it's not the new nano. Although it can be fast, it's not fast enough to avoid dmg and it's paper thin skin makes it pretty vulnerable. I think this is an awsome change, nice one CCP In this case answer this: If a BS fleet can tank another BS fleet and SB makes less damage than one BS then from which angle will this SB fleet kill encountered BS fleet? HUH? Any common sense plz? thnx? k? logeoff now is a zombie without a brain or something? In short: reach enemy more quickly... longer locking times for the enemy... lower costs... warp cloaked... speed tanking... its a completely different approach. Seriously, lay off the crack.
Dreamwalker	Posted - 2009.04.18 01:07:00 - [73] Originally by: logeoff now Who is stupid enough to keep ratting in system when there are many unknown neutrals? the one who does is a noob and can be killed even by cruisers. I'm doing 3,500 per volley and my torp speed is 4,500. Today I have had most of my success against cruisers and frigs (the BC and BS were mostly hurt I would need at least 4 more volleys which I would have been dead), I would fly up to them cloaked and point, paint, and volley. By the time they had my locked my second volley killed them. I can't wait to get into 0.0 so I can use the bomb which does 8k of damage You really need to understand basic posting skills.
Hawkiee	Posted - 2009.04.18 03:08:00 - [74] reading all the post here on SB,i see the pos, and neg to both sides, but the point is when u skill for a ship and its bonus, that is what u should have, im sure u all know the time it takes to skill in CM, cloaking.the issue of the SB now is u have to get close in a ship that takes no damage at all, this was a very poor desision. the only thing the SB had going for it was the CM. and the range, now with that gone, they might as well just remove this piece of crap they left behind.and for all of you that like the idea of the SB being nutered, wait till its ur ship that u skilled for that they cut next,
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.04.18 03:15:00 - [75] Did they change the way bombs work? I don't think so. So unless you can find someone dumb enough to stick around while the fuse burns your bomb will do jack. Also, all of this talk of 8k damage with bombs... That is raw damage, not the calculated damage of sig/velocity/resists which is nowhere near 8k unless you drop them on a few caps, in their weakest point. Stealth bombers also have always been able to fit covert cyno generators. So all of you people talking like it is the coolest thing need to get a clue. You were always able to pop up a covert cyno and have some fun behind enemy lines with cov ops recons and black ops. No one flew SBs much though so I don't expect you to know this. Fleets of cloaky cloaky ships DO NOT EVER FLEET WARP ONTO A TARGET TOGETHER, unless you want to show up warping onto grid uncloaked and just attack like you are in regular ship. Warp bubble will pull you together and decloak everyone in the fleet. So all of you misguided fools that were planning that with huge fleets of SBs just leave now and don't come back. Stealth bombers are paper thin and were awesome for sitting out of POS gun range and shooting cruise at them. Please tell me how you are going to do that now in a torp bomber with 100km range when 1 POS gun will fry you as soon as it get's lock? They just aren't fast enough long enough to outrun POS fire at those ranges, hell even intys can't drain a POS of ammo as easily anymore either. So don't expect a SB to do it. If I'm going to go up against a BS with torps, it's going to be in a Raven or a Golem. Something that I can stick around with and really do some damage. Range and damps where the SBs tank before this change. What is a SBs tank now? 50k you say? Name me one inty pilot that can't close that in seconds and have you locked down before your torps even hit their target. WORTHLESS. No I will play with them as I love flying frigs and SBs were one of my favorite ships before this, but as it stands the only "role" I see them having now after these changes is the same one the already had. Which is just added DPS on a gate gank where they can sit cloaked until the BSs, intys, HACs and whatever else already initiated the fight. But they lost their POS bashing role unless all of the guns have been destroyed or depleted. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
Alxea	Posted - 2009.04.18 04:06:00 - [76] Originally by: Schalac Originally by: The Riddik please, shut up Why, because I liked that a SB could shoot cruise missiles and thought the only thing broken with them was the fact that a single bomb most times cost more than the hull? How about you either tell me why torp bombers are better of get your ass out my thread. Talk to the hand!
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.04.18 14:07:00 - [77] Originally by: Alxea Originally by: Schalac Originally by: The Riddik please, shut up Why, because I liked that a SB could shoot cruise missiles and thought the only thing broken with them was the fact that a single bomb most times cost more than the hull? How about you either tell me why torp bombers are better of get your ass out my thread. Talk to the hand! Another nub trying to tell me who has been flying SB for a very long time to shut up. Where do you people come from from? SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
Space SUCCUBUS	Posted - 2009.04.18 14:45:00 - [78] SB @ lvl 5................check T2 Torps @ lvl 5........check Bomb dep @ lvl 5......check Cloaking @ lvl 5........check You in the cloan bay...priceless
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.04.18 16:41:00 - [79] Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 18/04/2009 16:44:34 Torps SB vs Cruise SB Higher DPS vs Lower DPS Warped Cloaked vs Doesn't Higher Volley vs Lower Volley About 100km Range vs 160km Range Slightly Slower at Cov Ops 5 vs Slightly Slower at Cov Ops 4 Extremely Cheap Bombs vs Very Expensive Bombs Easier Fittings vs Difficult fittings (ffs t2 cruise) Slightly longer delay before you can recloak vs Not High explosion radius vs Low explosion radius Useless explosion velocity vs Useless explosion velocity Gotta admit, this is a massive bonus to a once useless ship. If you think you'll do "no damage" against anything but a BS, you obviously do not understand the basics of missile mechanics. The only real advantage of the cruise SB is against moving cruisers. Wait for the bomb prices to decrease. 3 bombs to 20 bombs per production run for the same material means they will almost cost seven times less to build. Srsly, this was probably the most well done buff I've ever seen CCP do.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2009.04.18 17:16:00 - [80] Originally by: Schalac Originally by: Alxea Originally by: Schalac Originally by: The Riddik please, shut up Why, because I liked that a SB could shoot cruise missiles and thought the only thing broken with them was the fact that a single bomb most times cost more than the hull? How about you either tell me why torp bombers are better of get your ass out my thread. Talk to the hand! Another nub trying to tell me who has been flying SB for a very long time to shut up. Where do you people come from from? Someone should give you a bottle and put you down for a nap. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp

logeoff now	Posted - 2009.04.18 21:10:00 - [81] Edited by: logeoff now on 18/04/2009 21:12:46 Bomb does 300 damage to imicus u damn trds... and imicus can tackle + shoot down bomber. fk sakes wtf are you dreaming about? people are so blindfolded by number on paper that it aggrevates crap out of me
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.04.18 22:17:00 - [82] Originally by: logeoff now Edited by: logeoff now on 18/04/2009 21:12:46 Bomb does 300 damage to imicus u damn trds... and imicus can tackle + shoot down bomber. fk sakes wtf are you dreaming about? people are so blindfolded by number on paper that it aggrevates crap out of me Bombs were never designed to take out smaller targets. You can also warp out safely long before the bomb explodes, and it still works. No risk of losing a bomber during a bomb run unless you move into the bubble by mistake, or you lag out. Originally by: logeoff now Hobgoblins II ........ CHECK. You seeing another frame in station, CHECK! ..... An unaligned non-moving bomber can warp out before 5 drones even reach it, let alone pop it, which does take a few volleys. Srsly, have you ever pvped before? And I mean with your main, not with this posting alt.


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