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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.21 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Noodly Appendage (as it stands now unbonused pulses are better than bonused capital proejctiles!!)
Hahah so I went back and looked at this:
Here's a nag with Giga beams (All skills V): http://eve-files.com/dl/194710 And Here's the nag with arty that was in the OP: http://eve-files.com/dl/194381
Even with Minmatar Dread V a Naglfar with beams will significantly out damage a arty Nag if you take into account reload time
It's official, fit lasers on your nag. |
Chicken Vindaloo
People of the Anthropomorphic Worlds Sovereignty
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Posted - 2009.04.21 22:30:00 -
[32]
Signed. |
MADMAT
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.21 22:58:00 -
[33]
Supported, Something needs to be done ASAP |
Dao2
No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.04.22 00:34:00 -
[34]
Definitely support |
thelung187
Guiding Hand Social Club Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.22 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: thelung187 on 22/04/2009 01:18:07
Originally by: LaVista Vista How many topics do we need on this?
The issue was already raised too.
Simply because the issue is raised does not mean that it does not still require attention. To be blunt, 3 years of neglect on CCP's part warrants whatever action the player base deems necessary in order to get the ship balanced properly.
edit: lrn2sign
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Valorous Bob
TARSHISH FOUNDATION
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Posted - 2009.04.22 02:41:00 -
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Convincing arguement Yorda, even if you are a goon. _______________________________________________
Originally by: Governor LePetomane You know who I can't stand? Explorers. Smug, invisible bastards.
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.04.22 07:00:00 -
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Yes naglfail needs attention. Obvious.
Well no dmg mods on ur fits kinda suck tbh. I'd drop the 3 hardeners and get 1 more faction eanm and 2 dmg mods. 1 bcs and 1 i guess heatsink? pshaw? |
Dani Leone
Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2009.04.22 10:13:00 -
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Adding that I think this will be ignored by CCP as the same 'blight' of split weapons systems infects a number of ships that they would get pressure to revisit if they look at this with the seriousness it deserves. And I bet they don't want that. -----------------------------
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 22/04/2009 13:39:39
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: Noodly Appendage (as it stands now unbonused pulses are better than bonused capital proejctiles!!)
Hahah so I went back and looked at this:
Here's a nag with Giga beams (All skills V): http://eve-files.com/dl/194710 And Here's the nag with arty that was in the OP: http://eve-files.com/dl/194381
Even with Minmatar Dread V a Naglfar with beams will significantly out damage a arty Nag if you take into account reload time
It's official, fit lasers on your nag.
Pretty hard to dispute that Nags (and Large/XL Arty) need a buff now...
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Hurricane Carter
0ccam's Razor Nexus-Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.22 14:46:00 -
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Supporting this !
Not much else I can say really, just look at the evidence infront of you. nothing CCP say's can dispute the fact that the Naglfar is the worst dread if not the worst cap ship out there.
CCP, Fix this please! :) |
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Shtabe
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:35:00 -
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minny ships are pretty terrible, this one, however, is the worst
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Another Forum'Alt
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.04.22 18:38:00 -
[42]
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Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.04.22 19:09:00 -
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Supported. Something so awesomely vertical shouldn't be so terribly bad. Some sort of fix needed.
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CountingCrow
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.22 20:06:00 -
[44]
Supporting tis
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maya ibuki2
THORN Syndicate Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.04.23 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: Noodly Appendage (as it stands now unbonused pulses are better than bonused capital proejctiles!!)
Hahah so I went back and looked at this:
Here's a nag with Giga beams (All skills V): http://eve-files.com/dl/194710 And Here's the nag with arty that was in the OP: http://eve-files.com/dl/194381
Even with Minmatar Dread V a Naglfar with beams will significantly out damage a arty Nag if you take into account reload time
It's official, fit lasers on your nag.
you know, this is kinda amusing. i was once told of a hallowed time for the artilley piece, where it was so awesome the ammar favoured it to their own guns for bs engagements. that was fixed pretty bloody quickly by nerfing artys/boosting hp and boosting beams if memory serves.....
...and now the exact opposite is the case. ah well, i was thinking of training amarr anyway....
/me still supports maya ibuki2-currently thorn alliance pvper, proud member of the 54th knights templar and genral shooty type |
Horatio Nately
808 Enterprises Malum Exuro
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Posted - 2009.04.23 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Horatio Nately on 23/04/2009 09:51:25 /signed
Suppotring one of the best looking ships in the game imo. ---------------------------------------
CEO 808 Enterprises, A Hawaii, USA Playercorp
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Shai 'Hulud
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.04.23 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Shai ''Hulud on 23/04/2009 11:35:52 Lazor nag is the next fotm?
/signed
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Horatio Nately
Caldari 808 Enterprises Malum Exuro
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Posted - 2009.04.23 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Horatio Nately on 23/04/2009 16:55:24 nm
bump since i feel this issue is important enough ---------------------------------------
CEO 808 Enterprises, A Hawaii, USA Playercorp
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.23 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shai 'Hulud Edited by: Shai ''Hulud on 23/04/2009 11:35:52 Lazor nag is the next fotm?
/signed
I just bought a nag again. Who knows, maybe in 20 days we'll get a great hilarious lossmail. Support Fixing the Naglfar!
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darkfuntime
Fat J
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Posted - 2009.04.24 02:10:00 -
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but it wont be fixed,ccp allways keeps the brutors in there place.you would think after all the years that that if one dread allways gets called primary.ccp would fix it,ooo wait we really needed tier 3 ships [/url] Take back your existence or die like a punk.
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Hisomi
Suicidal Intentions Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2009.04.25 12:05:00 -
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TimGascoigne
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.25 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista How many topics do we need on this?
The issue was already raised too.
raised? the issue is still outstanding as a fix has not yet been applied. and this is the only naglfar specific topic.
the nag is the biggest white elephant in the game with no advantages/great inferioritys and certainly no role.
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.04.25 12:54:00 -
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The question is, why CCP does hate mintards?
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Thercon Jair
Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.04.25 16:00:00 -
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Yes, the Naglfar needs ballancing. Not that I necessarily want it to be changed to a 4 turret layout, but it does need some changes.
On a sidenote: on capital ships, Signature radius is not an issue. While it is true that the Naglfar has the smallest signature of all dreads, it means nothing since:
1. Dreads in Siege mode don't move
2. XL weapon's signature resolution is still smaller than the Naglfar's Signature, so, no help from there.
And on a sidenote: adding a falloff bonus component to all optimal affecting modules (as TDs already have), would help minmatar weaponry quite a bit, as you can see with the Xl arties, 88km falloff is quite a number to be modified by a range mod. Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar! |
Nalf
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.26 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda
Here's a nag with Giga beams (All skills V): http://eve-files.com/dl/194710
Even with Minmatar Dread V a Naglfar with beams will significantly out damage a arty Nag if you take into account reload time
It's official, fit lasers on your nag.
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Jon Lucien
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:12:00 -
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As a minmatar pilot, I firmly support finding a reason to train for my own race's dreadnought rather than a moros.
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Valanan
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.26 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Valanan on 26/04/2009 10:21:00
Originally by: Nalf
Originally by: Yorda
Here's a nag with Giga beams (All skills V): http://eve-files.com/dl/194710
Even with Minmatar Dread V a Naglfar with beams will significantly out damage a arty Nag if you take into account reload time
It's official, fit lasers on your nag.
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.04.26 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista How many topics do we need on this?
how ever many topics it takes for the issue to get attention from CCP.
Originally by: LaVista Vista
The issue was already raised too.
And it needs to be raised again, and again, until CCP fix it. ===============
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Crystal Evolution
Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.26 16:52:00 -
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Much support from a future Naglfar pilot
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Zostera
Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.04.27 11:27:00 -
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Minnie pilot currently traing Amarr after realisation that Naglfar and Battleships on route to it are a waste of time.
Supported.
Zos
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