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Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:49:00 -
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Spikeflach wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Spikeflach wrote:
Game age doesn't make anyone less or more privy to what EVE is or isn't. Trying to say someone has no right to make suggestions is like saying a person straight out of whatever school they were learning at has no right to work as whatever they were learning to be until they worked as what they were for a year.
There is all kinds of content in eve, and just because PvP is part of the game doesn't mean PVP is the game.
I disagree....EVE Online takes at least 6 months at best to at least get a good understanding of many basic concepts...people assume after playing a mount or two they know everything and how it works...this isn't the case. Arguably longer. I'm not saying I won't hear good ideas....but I have yet to see one bloody good thing from this noob ever since he started prattleing off about can flippers and "fair fight". Am I being prejudiced? Yes until such time he actually has a rational sane point that doesn't break game mechanics. What other mechanics are there to learn? Taken that the 3 month character or 6 month character, however old he was had a hulk, and had the notion of being able to fly the ship out to the belt and mine, and also most likely ability use drones to shoot at the tiny belt rats. which would indicate his ability to target things hostile. Yet players with even greater game experience think up even dumber ideas, at least in your eyes. People know PVP exists in this game. It isn't the end all be all of this game. There's an overwhelming amount of PvE content in eve which amazingly enough people get their kicks out of. 1. anomolies 2. DED sites 3. Wormhole sites 4. Mining 5. Manufacturing 6. Hacking sites 7. Incursions 8. Missions 9. Cosmos missions 10. Salvaging 11. Sites with Escalations 12. Incursions 13. Epic Arcs Playing the market, i think is suggested as a PvP activity, so not sure if that would be included as a PvE aspect. Heck, even "PvP" content is PvE. 1. Shooting POS 2. Shooting IHUBs or SBUs 3. Shooting Stations 4. Shooting POCOs Heck, its not really PvP unless you got an actual person shooting back... PvE activities that can become group activities should be catered to in some way as much as PvP is catered to. Ok, maybe I digressed a bit, but just because someone has less gametime than you, and that they choose not to spend their time in the hell hole known as 0.0 space, doesn't make them any less qualified than you to make suggestions to the game. A game which people people say is 90% PvP and argue that any suggestions that cater to PvE gameplay will break the game.
You cant expect these people to have any skill to do these sorts of things you have listed. They require true skill knowledge and tactics because the things there actually pose a threat to them. That's why they so aggressively oppose such changes as suggested, they are only capable of feeling big by killing the defenseless and Industrialists. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
644
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:12:00 -
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Koreli Stelios wrote:Spikeflach wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Spikeflach wrote:
Game age doesn't make anyone less or more privy to what EVE is or isn't. Trying to say someone has no right to make suggestions is like saying a person straight out of whatever school they were learning at has no right to work as whatever they were learning to be until they worked as what they were for a year.
There is all kinds of content in eve, and just because PvP is part of the game doesn't mean PVP is the game.
I disagree....EVE Online takes at least 6 months at best to at least get a good understanding of many basic concepts...people assume after playing a mount or two they know everything and how it works...this isn't the case. Arguably longer. I'm not saying I won't hear good ideas....but I have yet to see one bloody good thing from this noob ever since he started prattleing off about can flippers and "fair fight". Am I being prejudiced? Yes until such time he actually has a rational sane point that doesn't break game mechanics. What other mechanics are there to learn? Taken that the 3 month character or 6 month character, however old he was had a hulk, and had the notion of being able to fly the ship out to the belt and mine, and also most likely ability use drones to shoot at the tiny belt rats. which would indicate his ability to target things hostile. Yet players with even greater game experience think up even dumber ideas, at least in your eyes. People know PVP exists in this game. It isn't the end all be all of this game. There's an overwhelming amount of PvE content in eve which amazingly enough people get their kicks out of. 1. anomolies 2. DED sites 3. Wormhole sites 4. Mining 5. Manufacturing 6. Hacking sites 7. Incursions 8. Missions 9. Cosmos missions 10. Salvaging 11. Sites with Escalations 12. Incursions 13. Epic Arcs Playing the market, i think is suggested as a PvP activity, so not sure if that would be included as a PvE aspect. Heck, even "PvP" content is PvE. 1. Shooting POS 2. Shooting IHUBs or SBUs 3. Shooting Stations 4. Shooting POCOs Heck, its not really PvP unless you got an actual person shooting back... PvE activities that can become group activities should be catered to in some way as much as PvP is catered to. Ok, maybe I digressed a bit, but just because someone has less gametime than you, and that they choose not to spend their time in the hell hole known as 0.0 space, doesn't make them any less qualified than you to make suggestions to the game. A game which people people say is 90% PvP and argue that any suggestions that cater to PvE gameplay will break the game. You cant expect these people to have any skill to do these sorts of things you have listed. They require true skill knowledge and tactics because the things there actually pose a threat to them. That's why they so aggressively oppose such changes as suggested, they are only capable of feeling big by killing the defenseless and Industrialists.
You really don't pay attention do you? The guy is defending you and detailing some of the higher end skills and yet you go off on him.
We agressively oppose changes that break game mechanics that are far above and beyond over your head as a noob. Maybe you should take the time to go talk to some PVP'ers in low sec and ask them about things like agression mehcanics...and how they deal wiht targets in High Sec.
Thats just one of many things you have to learn in this game to survive.
And you being "Defenseless"? Speak for yourself.... you can fight back...so get off your ass and do it. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
9
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:25:00 -
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I know he is on my side and i appreciate what he is saying. My point is trying to get that across to guys like you is like talking to a brick wall. You will never see and take on and try to understand others points of view because you only want things they way they suit you. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
644
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:29:00 -
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Koreli Stelios wrote:I know he is on my side and i appreciate what he is saying. My point is trying to get that across to guys like you is like talking to a brick wall. You will never see and take on and try to understand others points of view because you only want things they way they suit you.
Oh we see just fine.
Fact is....you don't...and have yet to see yourself.
We've been in your shoes before.....cried the same cries...whined the same whines....
Your just doing so with a little too much ignorance ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Spikeflach
Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis
18
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Posted - 2012.05.30 22:29:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:
And you being "Defenseless"? Speak for yourself.... you can fight back...so get off your ass and do it.
So Suicide gank the Suicide gankers?
Anywho, It took me a little while to remember what the name was, but alot of what you see from people in eve can be attributed to what is known as "Stockholm Syndrome"
Basically people get to a point where their enemy is their friend, and they start to do things they normally wouldn't do because for whatever reason it now seems to be the right way to do things.
I can Genuinely tell you from experience from the multiple corp mates i have had that Stockholm Syndrome does exist in eve. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
644
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Posted - 2012.05.30 22:33:00 -
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Spikeflach wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:
And you being "Defenseless"? Speak for yourself.... you can fight back...so get off your ass and do it.
So Suicide gank the Suicide gankers? Anywho, It took me a little while to remember what the name was, but alot of what you see from people in eve can be attributed to what is known as "Stockholm Syndrome" Basically people get to a point where their enemy is their friend, and they start to do things they normally wouldn't do because for whatever reason it now seems to be the right way to do things. I can Genuinely tell you from experience from the multiple corp mates i have had that Stockholm Syndrome does exist in eve.
I didnt' say youd be invunerable.
I said use common sense.
If someone wants your ass on a plattar..they will likely get it....
But if your paying attention to local..paying attention to your surroundings...you will generally not get hit.
I have never been the direct victim of hulkageddon or major suicide ganks...oh sure Ive been targeted repaetedly...but they generally dont bother beucase I tend to not show up when such things happen or be in known to be target areas for mining operations.
Half the reason I moved to 0.0 was to get away from the #### because here....we can fight dirty...even then in high sec I can mine just fine wihtout the harassment because I dont do the obvious stupid things most miners do.
Mining ships should have a little bit extra defense in my opinion but half the time the only way to nail your oponent is to suicide gank because a war dec will make them dock up (unless they are that ********) so that argument is a waste of time...just like this post.
So is that stockholmn syndrome.....no... its called being rational..a concept you people tend to lack.
There is no perfect defense..but there are plenty of ways to not get dragged into the precurosor to a gank. MANY ways....if you can't figure that out...then you deserved to get ganked...repeatedly. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Spikeflach
Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis
20
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Posted - 2012.05.30 23:13:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote: I didnt' say youd be invunerable.
I said use common sense.
If someone wants your ass on a plattar..they will likely get it....
But if your paying attention to local..paying attention to your surroundings...you will generally not get hit.
I have never been the direct victim of hulkageddon or major suicide ganks...oh sure Ive been targeted repaetedly...but they generally dont bother beucase I tend to not show up when such things happen or be in known to be target areas for mining operations.
Half the reason I moved to 0.0 was to get away from the #### because here....we can fight dirty...even then in high sec I can mine just fine wihtout the harassment because I dont do the obvious stupid things most miners do.
Mining ships should have a little bit extra defense in my opinion but half the time the only way to nail your oponent is to suicide gank because a war dec will make them dock up (unless they are that ********) so that argument is a waste of time...just like this post.
So is that stockholmn syndrome.....no... its called being rational..a concept you people tend to lack.
There is no perfect defense..but there are plenty of ways to not get dragged into the precurosor to a gank. MANY ways....if you can't figure that out...then you deserved to get ganked...repeatedly.
The only way to not get suicide ganked is to not undock at all. IF that is how CCP wants people to play eve, then that is how they want people to play eve.
You sir, seem to easily judge people on the PvE side of eve as them being wrong in how they play eve right to where you say "A concept you people lack". Doing the PvE thing is not Playing eve wrong.
You are insisting that PvP and Ganking are the right things to do in eve, when in fact there is PvE content in eve to be enjoyed too (mining, missions, invention, exploration, ratting, manufacturing, wormholes, and incursions). The people that like PvE should be able to enjoy the PvE aspects, and have every right to push forward ideas that could improve their PvE experience.
EVE is not completely PVP. Complete PVP is your first person shooters and halo and going out to play paintball. If eve was completely PvP, there would be no PvE content.
But yes, even the most craziest PvE person likes the occasional PvP. |

Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
626
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Posted - 2012.05.31 07:45:00 -
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Spikeflach wrote:Drake Draconis wrote: I didnt' say youd be invunerable.
I said use common sense.
If someone wants your ass on a plattar..they will likely get it....
But if your paying attention to local..paying attention to your surroundings...you will generally not get hit.
I have never been the direct victim of hulkageddon or major suicide ganks...oh sure Ive been targeted repaetedly...but they generally dont bother beucase I tend to not show up when such things happen or be in known to be target areas for mining operations.
Half the reason I moved to 0.0 was to get away from the #### because here....we can fight dirty...even then in high sec I can mine just fine wihtout the harassment because I dont do the obvious stupid things most miners do.
Mining ships should have a little bit extra defense in my opinion but half the time the only way to nail your oponent is to suicide gank because a war dec will make them dock up (unless they are that ********) so that argument is a waste of time...just like this post.
So is that stockholmn syndrome.....no... its called being rational..a concept you people tend to lack.
There is no perfect defense..but there are plenty of ways to not get dragged into the precurosor to a gank. MANY ways....if you can't figure that out...then you deserved to get ganked...repeatedly.
The only way to not get suicide ganked is to not undock at all. IF that is how CCP wants people to play eve, then that is how they want people to play eve. You sir, seem to easily judge people on the PvE side of eve as them being wrong in how they play eve right to where you say "A concept you people lack". Doing the PvE thing is not Playing eve wrong. You are insisting that PvP and Ganking are the right things to do in eve, when in fact there is PvE content in eve to be enjoyed too (mining, missions, invention, exploration, ratting, manufacturing, wormholes, and incursions). The people that like PvE should be able to enjoy the PvE aspects, and have every right to push forward ideas that could improve their PvE experience. EVE is not completely PVP. Complete PVP is your first person shooters and halo and going out to play paintball. If eve was completely PvP, there would be no PvE content. But yes, even the most craziest PvE person likes the occasional PvP.
psst, in most of that PVE content you are actually competing against other players for resources, isk, sites etc. That makes it a form of PVP.
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Lady Flute
Kingdom Inc. Island of Misfit Toons
6
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Posted - 2012.05.31 10:50:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:.... When you learn its not about fairness and a matter of tactics...practice...experince...then you will be a far better posisiton to discuss balance.
EVE Is not Fair.
EVE is EVE Online...period.
I agree. EVE is not fair. In the end, it is a business, and CCP will do whatever it takes to protect the business. I am sorry if all you "ganking is pvp" people think that's unfair, but I can see hardcoded changes being introduced to stop or at least severely reduce attacks on industrials and mining ships in Highsec.
Yes, there should be much harsher consequences for ganking. Yes, CONCORD should not be protecting people with bounties on them in Highsec. Yes, maybe if you have negative security status you should be podded by CONCORD and your medical clone kicked to lowsec.
I do agree that since Hulklageddon began, there has been a drop off in player activity in highsec. The "if you don't like it, leave" advice has been followed. Why am I still here? I want EVE to thrive, not limp along.
And yes, I have the tactics, experience, and practice to say with complete confidence that the current highsec ganking is simply not balanced. It's rubbish PvP, and if that is the best PvP EVE has going for it at the moment, then this game is in much more trouble than I originally thought. 
Oh, to the DEVS: for every miner ship killed, there should be an option for the miner to vote on targets for a CONCORD incursion into null sec. If Goons mock CONCORD, then CONCORD should conquor some of thier moon mining billions systems. So what if that leads to 1.0 systems that Goons can't go into themselves? No-one said anything was set in stone, or fair. And if null sec alliances are so bored that the most fun thing they can do is suicide highsec players out of the game, then they need something to do. Revese incursions of Empires / CONCORD into Null would be nice to see - if Sansha can do it into Highsec, so can the winning sides in the great war. |

Lady Flute
Kingdom Inc. Island of Misfit Toons
6
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:08:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote: We agressively oppose changes that break game mechanics that are far above and beyond over your head as a noob. Maybe you should take the time to go talk to some PVP'ers in low sec and ask them about things like agression mehcanics...and how they deal wiht targets in High Sec.
Thats just one of many things you have to learn in this game to survive.
And you being "Defenseless"? Speak for yourself.... you can fight back...so get off your ass and do it.
As a non-noob, I can confidently say that the game mechanics from the "pure design" of EVE got thrown out years ago.
Deal with it: CCP can and will make changes to cater for the preferences of customers in the game. They have, repeatedly, in the past. A null sec corporation has effectively declared war on the most vulnerable segment of CCP's playerbase. Because there is no way whatsoever for highsec miners to strike back at Goons, then CCP will need to act, or lose subscribers and income.
As for the "defenceless" ... you can't fight back against gankers. The alpha strikes possible now days, for tiny cost, are literally laughable compared to 5 years ago in EVE. Once upon a time PvP took skill - this highsec ganking takes no skill, and indeed most lowsec/null pvp I have seen recently is no-skill butchery too.
Want real skill back in EVE pvp? Get rid of logistics ships, destroyers, level 3 BCs, all T3 cruisers, HACs etc. Will they do that? no. Real pvpers can still use a team of frigates to kill anything ... but they are few and far between. Most "pvpers" will be cookie cutter battlecruisers who target the broadcast ship, press one button, and call it skill.
Which all leads to an interesting idea.... if you have a bounty on you and negative security status, you should not be allowed to use the Highsec markets or dock at Highsec stations. Consequences. They have to be real, or there are none. Gankers get rich, that is currently all there is to it: no risk, and all reward. That's broken, and needs to be fixed one way or another. |
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Lord Zim
731
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:12:00 -
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Lady Flute wrote:Which all leads to an interesting idea.... if you have a bounty on you and negative security status, you should not be allowed to use the Highsec markets or dock at Highsec stations. Consequences. Alts. vOv |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
644
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:14:00 -
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Lady Flute - who the hell ran over your puppy and shot it?
Sheesh... serious bitterness.
You should quit this game...your just flat not happy about it. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Lady Flute
Kingdom Inc. Island of Misfit Toons
9
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:33:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Lady Flute - who the hell ran over your puppy and shot it?
Sheesh... serious bitterness.
You should quit this game...your just flat not happy about it.
No I have seen pvp game after pvp game close down in the past few years. The only reason EVE has survived against that trend has been because the Highsec system provided an effectively no-PvP playstyle option for customers.
That is currently over.
Unless CCP restores it, then I am concerned EVE will follow the long path of all those other pvp games that gave players a sandbox and pvp, and closed when all the players did was turn it into a kitty litter box full of smelly things and most of thier customers simply quit.
Basically, EVE will need to get its act together, or when Darkness comes out, EVE will be in reinforced mode. The best and brightest CCP have will be working on Darkness, which if it takes off will be the core growth area of thier business. You can whine, wail, and complain all you want but the bottom line is simple: CCP have been spending a ton of money on advertising EVE to bring in new players, if the community undermines CCP's player base expansion efforts, then it has only itself to blame if CCP implements hard coded changes you don't want. I have seen that in other games too, which tried too little too late to stem the loss of social / casual players, which failures I am certain CCP will be well aware of. So my guess is they will either accept the loss of customers and simply put their efforts towards Darkness, or they will go very strongly into creating "carebear space":
Do you want the current no-pvp zones to get bigger? I was shocked to find out they had been added while I was gone, but they make sense. How big do you think they will become if you keep advocating for players to quit EVE, and players keep doing so?
Do I think CCP might give in and add "Gold Star Insurance" for US$1 a ship per month, that such a ship cannot be attacked in Highsec at all? Yes. Their aggressive PLEX marketing and the international economic situation suggests they need the money, so watch this space. And when things don't go the way you want them to, remember you had this chance to propose positive systems changes that addressed the underlying issues wihtout breaking the freedom of the sandbox. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
644
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:39:00 -
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This is seriously messed up stuff.
Anyone else seeing what I'm seeing here?
Lady Flute is really insane....seriously so.
I don't think I can process that much garbage in one go.
Yeah...I'm done here.
*Blocks*
No PVP Zones my ass.... EVE Online has been in operation for a very long time.... anyone who hints at its death..needs head examined. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Implying Implications
Broski Enterprises
78
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:23:00 -
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Tank your exhumers. No need for CCP to code changes. stop deleting my posts |

Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
11
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:31:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:This is seriously messed up stuff.
Anyone else seeing what I'm seeing here?
Lady Flute is really insane....seriously so.
I don't think I can process that much garbage in one go.
Yeah...I'm done here.
*Blocks*
No PVP Zones my ass.... EVE Online has been in operation for a very long time.... anyone who hints at its death..needs head examined.
No. Nobody is seeing what your seeing. And of course you cant process that much at once, we already worked out small broken up sentances is about your limit 
Now i think part of the trouble is your taking this far to personally. its not about getting at you but about being realistic and because we all like playing Eve, but only see its demise ahead, are trying to do something to save it. Now lets break it down in to Drekey sized chunks :)
- New players cant get a foot hold so do as you would suggest and DONT play so NO PAY
- New games come out that challenge Eve such as:
- The Darkness game Lady Flute Mentions
- OR, and a very good contender as it is set to be quite the sandbox http://www.thesecretworld.com/
And so players are drawn Else where and so far as Eve goes new players just DONT play so NO PAY
- CCP realises a large chunck of its player base has left so updates less frequently. Soon the majority of its Low and Null secers get completely bored and DONT play so NO PAY (if they even were paying)
- Finally CCP realizes they pretty much lost money on their big recruitment ad campaign so cut there losses and shut the game down. At this point there is just NO PLAY
Eve is like an elderly relative continually having heart attacks. It will be sad for us all to see it go but if it doesn't get better it may be for the best.
Lady Flute probably makes the most sense here. |

Lord Zim
731
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:42:00 -
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I wouldn't be surprised if the only change CCP really needs to do, is to make it so pods aren't treated specially. I.e. a -10 pod would get popped just like he would in a ship.
vOv |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
644
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:50:00 -
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Koreli Stelios wrote:Nooblet prattle
And the nooblet bleats like the sheep we expect them to be.
So yeah....moving on. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
11
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:51:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if the only change CCP really needs to do, is to make it so pods aren't treated specially. I.e. a -10 pod would get popped just like he would in a ship.
vOv
Mhmmm, a bit like Conc just look the other way if anyone wants to warp scram and pod that defenseless little blob cos he is a gutless criminal. Sounds all good. |

Lord Zim
731
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:54:00 -
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Yeah. It's always struck me as a bit weird how they shoot ships, but not pods, but I believe that's because CCP didn't want people to get podded by surprise. But I wouldn't be surprised if CCP decides that the ganking problem has become so prevalent now that they have to change that part of the mechanics.
Honestly, I'm not seeing what all the rage is, all you have to do is really think of something simple like this, and propose that to CCP. |
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Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
11
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:56:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Koreli Stelios wrote:Nooblet prattle And the nooblet bleats like the sheep we expect them to be. So yeah....moving on.
xD You gunu call any one sheep? You with your Cookie Mold ship fit linked to you in some chat or found on some third party site.
Oh and don't tell me its not, can tell just by the way you talk it is. You wouldn't have the first clue about tactics, let alone understand even the most basic of frigs can be useful past the first few days of play if you know how to work in a team.
Nope you'll have the same old ship with the same old fit, that is the greatest indication of stagnant things are becoming. |

Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
11
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:01:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Yeah. It's always struck me as a bit weird how they shoot ships, but not pods, but I believe that's because CCP didn't want people to get podded by surprise. But I wouldn't be surprised if CCP decides that the ganking problem has become so prevalent now that they have to change that part of the mechanics.
Honestly, I'm not seeing what all the rage is, all you have to do is really think of something simple like this, and propose that to CCP.
Yea no this is a good point. Eve if it had to just be that Conc will pod any player it has to get involved with. xD Well just don't get involved with Concord!
But no like you say surely a certain negative standing could allow it and allow other players to do it with no Concord retribution. Because of course just allow Concord pure rights to pod would probably lead to people finding ways to get some one to attack them just to get them Conced. |

Lord Zim
731
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:17:00 -
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Obviously it wouldn't be based on the "I just ganked someone, concord will now shoot my ship" code, that would be ludicrous. No, it would have to just be an extension of the current system where you get shot at by faction police if you're in a ship below a certain security level, and by concord below another level (I think -2.5 and -5 respectively? I dunno), only extended to take the pod as well. |

Lady Flute
Kingdom Inc. Island of Misfit Toons
10
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Posted - 2012.05.31 14:05:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:No PVP Zones my ass.... EVE Online has been in operation for a very long time.... anyone who hints at its death..needs head examined.
Go gank new players in the starter systems, see what happens to you.  |

Lady Flute
Kingdom Inc. Island of Misfit Toons
10
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Posted - 2012.05.31 14:06:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if the only change CCP really needs to do, is to make it so pods aren't treated specially. I.e. a -10 pod would get popped just like he would in a ship.
vOv
That would be a very welcome change. Biggest problem is that CONCORD protect reds in pods, that should be changed. |

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
677
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Posted - 2012.05.31 16:09:00 -
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Lady Flute wrote:Lord Zim wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if the only change CCP really needs to do, is to make it so pods aren't treated specially. I.e. a -10 pod would get popped just like he would in a ship.
vOv That would be a very welcome change. Biggest problem is that CONCORD protect reds in pods, that should be changed.
See -10 in pod, grab SeBo'ed Interceptor, destroy pod, scoop corpse, rinse, repeat.
There's your solution. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |

Jones Bones
Imperial Outlaws
73
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Posted - 2012.05.31 18:27:00 -
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I'm not going to read all the tears, but you miners realize you are probably safer in null sec right? And you get to mine those ABC ores that will make you ten times as rich! |

Alderon Mizuchi
MNU Operations Luna Sanguinem
2
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Posted - 2012.05.31 18:31:00 -
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Good god, it's not hard to avoid ganks like this.
Stop mining in a system with hundreds of people in it. Go find a quiet highsec system. Watch local. See someone new pop in? Check sec status, and either dock up or go to a new system if it's in the negative. Don't want to do that? At least be aligned and ready to warp the second a new ship pops up on grid. DScan until you know they aren't there to gank to check for probes. Too much work? Welcome to the same **** everyone else with a ship they don't want to lose has to do when they undock in it.
Stop trying to have the game changed to fit your needs when all you need to do is ****ing pay attention. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
717
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Posted - 2012.06.01 03:25:00 -
[209] - Quote
Lady Flute wrote:Lord Zim wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if the only change CCP really needs to do, is to make it so pods aren't treated specially. I.e. a -10 pod would get popped just like he would in a ship.
vOv That would be a very welcome change. Biggest problem is that CONCORD protect reds in pods, that should be changed.
No, you can shoot pods below -5. eh |

Spikeflach
Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis
62
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Posted - 2012.06.01 03:47:00 -
[210] - Quote
Jones Bones wrote:I'm not going to read all the tears, but you miners realize you are probably safer in null sec right? And you get to mine those ABC ores that will make you ten times as rich!
Been in my share of nullsec alliances, they are either stuck up jerks, CTA mongers, Corp/alliance thiefs, paranoid freaks, power hungry dictators, or just simply boring.
Many people do truthfully dislike having to kiss up to much of the current jumble of jerks.
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