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Enthral	Posted - 2009.04.28 16:58:00 - [31] The OP has the typical mindset of the mediocre. He can't make a lot of isk, therefore anyone who can is somehow getting a "hand up" from the "powers that be." These people will never get ahead, because even when given the "secret" to vast wealth, they are unwilling to do what needs to be done. I'll even give the secret right now: Hard work. I spend an enormous amount of time on industry. I research the market, I manage dozens of build jobs, invention jobs, research jobs, my supply lines, my distribution points... the list goes on. I've taken risks. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. I've seen multi-billion isk investments vaporize overnight. I've seen others blossom into opportunities. I also have PvP alts in major alliances. I've seen alliances spend enormous isk and resources to take regions. I've seen some fail. I've seen others succeed, only to have it all taken away from them in one decisive battle. Any idea what it takes to run a successful alliance? Know how fragile alliances are? Know what it is like to see tens of billions of isk wiped out in ten minutes on the battlefield? Know what it is like to see your home torn out from under you? How about the feeling of spending weeks on planning and logistics, coordinating the efforts of HUNDREDS of pilots, and finally taking that constellation? How about watching that same effort result in nothing but lost ships and demoralized players? Maybe the OP does realize that making a ton of isk with industry is insanely difficult. Maybe he does realize that running a successful alliance involves a huge investment of time. Maybe he understands this, but just doesn't believe that some people are willing to make that investment, because he personally is too lazy to do it himself. Hard work. That is the formula. You're either willing to put in the effort, or you aren't. Please don't insult those of us who are, because you're too lazy to do it yourself. -Enthral
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.04.28 17:06:00 - [32] I cannot be bothered becoming obscenely rich. I'm busy having fun shooting people Those Dyspro moon holders are nothing more than miners on a bigger scale. They have to manufacture and sell stuff, they need logistics, they need to WORK... Let them get rich, I prefer to play a game Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed resolution of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. -Weatherman
Jhoria Englside Caldari Another Stupid Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.28 17:25:00 - [33] Originally by: Vaal Erit I dunno about you, but I see faction battleships with billions worth of modules equipped on them all the time in high sec. You are suffering from what we experts call "whiny jealous loser syndrome" or WJLS for short Confirming this character will be recieving ISK from said drops/mods.
Xianbei	Posted - 2009.04.28 19:07:00 - [34] TONS of people use GTC tbh
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.04.28 19:14:00 - [35] Originally by: Sir Substance just a few observations from my time in game, and from reading the forums. eve's population can be split into two groups. the obscenely rich, and everyone else. the obscenely rich are the people wholding the t2 BPO's, the dysprosium moons. they are the owners of the titans, who throw away marauders on a whim. then there is everyone else. ive been playing for two years, and i dont see how these people make this much isk. its lead me to one inescapable conclusion. these elite are stomping on the rest of us. they might not realize it, but they are. pretty much the only way one can become one of the elite is if one does something that causes CCP to grant them a boon. your average man-on-the-street simply cant afford to buy a t2 BPO, and the opportunities to claim the space for a dysprosium moon are long since gone. am i just wildly generating conspiracy theories, or do other people see this divide? isk, a good player does not make just FYI btw. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Astigmatic	Posted - 2009.04.28 20:53:00 - [36] Dyspro/Prometh moon resolution. Make resources randomly change once every 7-10 days as SWG did. This will mean that nomadic behaviour by all Corporations and Alliances will be introduced. This also means that fat cats can't get fatter by simply sitting on their pile of gold forever. They have to work. This will STILL promote pvp due to competition over newly discovered resources. Together with the Dynamic solution outlined here, here and here the Eve Universe comes alive.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.04.28 20:54:00 - [37] Dyspro moons were not required to obtain this.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.04.28 20:55:00 - [38] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/04/2009 20:55:49 0.0 isn't supposed to be nomadic. The point of the sov system is to create clearly-defined empires. W-space exists for your nomadic needs. Some would argue that established alliances are too hard to dislodge (and I would agree to some extent), but making everything nomadic would be pointless...not to mention that without an overhaul to the sov mechanics anyway, it would more or less just be a lottery system where the lucky alliance every couple month gets the good stuff and the unlucky ones get squat.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.28 20:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Sir Substance just a few observations from my time in game, and from reading the forums. eve's population can be split into two groups. the obscenely rich, and everyone else. the obscenely rich are the people wholding the t2 BPO's, the dysprosium moons. they are the owners of the titans, who throw away marauders on a whim. then there is everyone else. ive been playing for two years, and i dont see how these people make this much isk. its lead me to one inescapable conclusion. these elite are stomping on the rest of us. they might not realize it, but they are. pretty much the only way one can become one of the elite is if one does something that causes CCP to grant them a boon. your average man-on-the-street simply cant afford to buy a t2 BPO, and the opportunities to claim the space for a dysprosium moon are long since gone. am i just wildly generating conspiracy theories, or do other people see this divide? No, you're pretty much correct. Luckily, unlike RL, in EvE you can get a ship with a bunch of big guns and do something about it other than whine to your student mates.
Jinx Barker Caldari GFB Scientific	Posted - 2009.04.28 20:59:00 - [40] What I want to know is where the hell all this commie, socialist wackos are all coming from. All this whinage that they are unable to do something in game because it is the "other guy" that has achieved something is holding them down. Very much like in real life, those who are smart, resilient, adventurous, sharp, cunning, flexible, inventive, risk-taking, will always, always, outperform the lazy, lax, risk-averse, dull, people. I started this damn game with 5k ISK in wallet and a whopping 18k SP. I am well off now, and I hope to be so. Last thing I thought about is whining on the forums because the other older guys were better than me. I wanted to learn, explore, try new things and see where it will take me. Jees-Louise, come on, get out there and have fun. Man on the street can buy a T2 BPO. I am an example, I was a man on the street who bought my BPOs as many know. I made my ISK by ratting in 0.0, playing the market, building T1 stuff. Then my fortunes improved, and I am proud owner of a number of T2 BPOs. On top of it I use my ALTs to invent like crazy, and you will be surprised - my invention outperform my T2 BPOs in profit making. You want to be a pleb, be a pleb. Otherwise the road is open to you.... Shut up, stop whinnying, and go play the game: cheat, kill, steal and maraud your way to the top if you must. By CHEAT I mean in game, within the applicable EULA rules, and in "character" if you must. I felt the OP needed the disclaimer, as some other people in this thread who are very fond of taking things out of context. ::::Click The Signature For the Blog::::
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:00:00 - [41] Originally by: Omara Otawan Originally by: Akita T And to give you some pretty normal estimates, a single player with two decently-skilled accounts running L4 missions 40 hours a week makes more than 100 bilion ISK a year... a half-decent trader or a T1 manufacturer can rake in a comparable amount of ISK per year with much less time spent online... and the list could go on and on. 40 ... hours ... a ... week. Thats actually the kind of people that should seek professional help, and considering Eve is actually the only kind of life they have they should make more prolly. Just my opinion. Thanks for that comment though, I was already considering myself a game addict, I feel very relieved now. A lot of people watch that much TV in a week...
Jinx Barker Caldari GFB Scientific	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:00:00 - [42] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Dyspro moons were not required to obtain this. Do you wanna get married? I cook! ( I would have to keep my T2 BPOs in lockdown though, knowing Istvaan I would wind up relaxing after a good bang, and he be half way to Jita with my precioussssssss.) ::::Click The Signature For the Blog::::
Astigmatic	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:05:00 - [43] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/04/2009 20:55:49 0.0 isn't supposed to be nomadic. The point of the sov system is to create clearly-defined empires. Who says? You are stating opinion (yours) not fact. The devs are open to opinions and discussion. Writing off the subject doesn't enable that. Are you scared?
Equium Duo Minmatar Gauss Codazzi	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:18:00 - [44] Personally i'd like to see more crap space introduced to eve. The sort of space no power block would be interested, think syndicate space, or geminate. The kind of space people can barely run their deathstars on. this kind of space interests me since its the kind fo breeding ground smaller alliances need. **** dyspro cap it at r16 with maybe 1-2 r32's. But give the new guys somewhere crap to hang out in. I am not whingong that we poor folk need a leg up. (I like to think i am poor by choice) but every where has its slums.. and i think we need some more! :P
Astigmatic	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:21:00 - [45] Edited by: Astigmatic on 28/04/2009 21:25:18 meh
Korrakas Caldari Legion of Ascension Beyond Ascension	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:25:00 - [46] Originally by: temponita Edited by: temponita on 28/04/2009 16:56:00 Originally by: Sir Substance just a few observations from my time in game, and from reading the forums. eve's population can be split into two groups. the obscenely rich, and everyone else. Bullcrap! I have been and will always remain a loner(no corp) and (by all account) considered rich. I fly marauders with officer mods just for the hell of it and I made all of my money by mining and playing the market within empire space. I started with nothing, and built my way up from there. Your point of view is not at all an accurate depiction of how things can be. But rather of a person who has realized that his or her own efforts are not directly benefiting them. Perhaps it's time to get out of the box and seek out your own rewards. I also know several people in empire space with well over 500 billion in their wallets without counting assets. And one other has been rumored to have over 1 trillion ISK plus assets. So forgive me if I think this is more an end user problem than a gaming one. i think we gave him too much morphine.... and someone mislabelled the bottle LSD as morphine... Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't have holidays. I don't leave the forums unattended. I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Neo Omni Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:38:00 - [47] Actually his title sounds like the start of a communist revolution.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:49:00 - [48] Originally by: Chribba So nowdays you become the 'elite' just by having ISK? Then anyone can buy the elite status just about any time via GTC's. Where's the 23 when you need them?! lol is that still going round... or are you just old enough to remember. ;-)
destinationunreachable Hello Kitty Fanclub	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:50:00 - [49] the OP has indeed a wrong understanding of wealth and how to acquire it. high-end moons are not owned by a single person, but by a large (hundreds to thousands) group. This groups has to constantly defend it and as such uses lots of money (a single battle around a pos can easily cost 100s of billions). Stuff like titans are alliance investments to secure the income. T2 BPO are far less profitable than invention. They only serve as investment single character acquire wealth just like in RL: through hard work, being smart and being lucky. most people I know, who have 20+ billions on their account spend a lot of time fine tuning their industrial system if you don't take risks, you don't get rich. Expect to loose a couple of times on the way oh, and don't spend a lot ;-) PvP can easily eat up all profits in one point the OP is right: once you have a lot of money, maintaining and making more it gets easier...
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:52:00 - [50] Originally by: Sir Substance the obscenely rich, and everyone else. I see it as people who are willing to put in the work and those who who are not.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:55:00 - [51] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Dyspro moons were not required to obtain this. Interesting.. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
Alora Venoda GalTech Whiskey Creek Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:55:00 - [52] Originally by: Equium Duo Personally i'd like to see more crap space introduced to eve. The sort of space no power block would be interested, think syndicate space, or geminate. The kind of space people can barely run their deathstars on. this kind of space interests me since its the kind fo breeding ground smaller alliances need. **** dyspro cap it at r16 with maybe 1-2 r32's. But give the new guys somewhere crap to hang out in. I am not whingong that we poor folk need a leg up. (I like to think i am poor by choice) but every where has its slums.. and i think we need some more! :P i agree. but there are already many crappy 0.0 systems... the main problem is they are being hoarded by the super-alliances as "territory" and charge an arm and a leg to "rent" access to it. why not make a way to form a proper confederation of alliances and allow smaller corps/alliances to become "citizens" and make use of the lower quality systems that already exist? improvements to standings and sov mechanics would go a long way towards making it possible. but those overlords need a better reason to accept any new "citizens" into their sovereign space... or we just get the current feudal serfdom scenario. like what if they could sell starbase charters like in empire? what if the federation could automatically collect taxes in addition to corp taxes? and of course 0.0 systems really need to be able to support many many more players... without mission agents, only ratting and mining really can't support more than 10 or 20 pilots per system. ~~~~~ Remember, EVE is a sandbox and other MMOs are rock gardens. Pretty rocks can be collected, but collecting sand is pointless. Instead build a sandcastle and keep it from being knocked down.
Johli Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.28 22:13:00 - [53] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Dyspro moons were not required to obtain this. fap. (btw can you give me a billion) Anyways, I know exactly how the op felt; I lived off loans, flew the same badly fit blackbird forever, screamed with joy when I got my first ferox, and my wallet never went past 20 mil. Then, of course, they introduced salvaging and I made 200 mil in a week. Petty change now I think about it.
Imogen Filiotov Amarr Gene Works Initiative Associates	Posted - 2009.04.28 22:33:00 - [54] You've been playing for 2 years and you've not figured out a route to self-support yourself? Are you stupid? I've been playing for almost 10 months now, and make around 90-120mil per week on trading.
Obyrith	Posted - 2009.04.28 22:34:00 - [55] Originally by: Cipher7 You can do the same thing, you can find 5000 people and blob the hell out of your enemies, when they see 100 t1 frigates coming at them, their e-peen will shrivel beneath their overpriced HACs. Your whole fleet is cheaper than even 1 of your enemies ships, if you come back every single night and kill 1 of their ships they will get frustrated and leave. This. It's amazing more people don't realise that this is how the game has been set up. Everyone wants to fly a Tech 2 fit, rigged battleship for 20% more EHP and DPS, when they could buy a second battleship, recruit someone else to fly it and do 100% more EHP and DPS for the same price.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.04.28 22:46:00 - [56] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Chribba So nowdays you become the 'elite' just by having ISK? Then anyone can buy the elite status just about any time via GTC's. Where's the 23 when you need them?! lol is that still going round... or are you just old enough to remember. ;-) Don't listen to his evil lies. The 23 was a myth, nothing more. Trust me on this. Really. The OP is right, power is only a function of wealth, ISK is the only win. Don't let anyone make you think otherwise dearest OP, never. アニメ漫画です
Anisa Schardl	Posted - 2009.04.28 22:55:00 - [57] Originally by: Astigmatic Dyspro/Prometh moon resolution. Make resources randomly change once every 7-10 days as SWG did. This will mean that nomadic behaviour by all Corporations and Alliances will be introduced. This also means that fat cats can't get fatter by simply sitting on their pile of gold forever. They have to work. This will STILL promote pvp due to competition over newly discovered resources. Together with the Dynamic solution outlined here, here and here the Eve Universe comes alive. People who propose things like this betray their total lack of understanding of how market forces work. The only thing your suggestion would accomplish would be a huge spike in the price of the R64s, since there would be FORCED interruptions in the supply. You would still never get a piece of any of them. They would be worth even more than they are now, and the megacorps/alliances would quickly locate the new ones when they switch, and stomp you into a mud puddle to take it. Nobody small would get any piece of the pie. All that would happen is you'd make everyone pay increasingly large prices for T2. Has the current unrest in Delve taught you nothing? Manufacturing commodities need stability. Unrest interrupts supply and increases prices.
AllUrIskRBelongtoMee	Posted - 2009.04.28 23:20:00 - [58] Originally by: Sir Substance just a few observations from my time in game, and from reading the forums. eve's population can be split into two groups. the obscenely rich, and everyone else. the obscenely rich are the people wholding the t2 BPO's, the dysprosium moons. they are the owners of the titans, who throw away marauders on a whim. then there is everyone else. ive been playing for two years, and i dont see how these people make this much isk. its lead me to one inescapable conclusion. these elite are stomping on the rest of us. they might not realize it, but they are. pretty much the only way one can become one of the elite is if one does something that causes CCP to grant them a boon. your average man-on-the-street simply cant afford to buy a t2 BPO, and the opportunities to claim the space for a dysprosium moon are long since gone. am i just wildly generating conspiracy theories, or do other people see this divide? Until we see "CCP Obama" no one in CCP is going to come out and gift you billions upon billions of isk just for being you. Anything that would do such a thing is going to end up being screwed.... wait... damn.... .....at least I didn't vote for the guy.
AllUrIskRBelongtoMee	Posted - 2009.04.28 23:22:00 - [59] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Dyspro moons were not required to obtain this. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter and buy your audio tape on how to make 400+billion.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.04.28 23:24:00 - [60] Op is probably sitting on a pile of R64. Hmmm wonder if CCP missed any of those scammers when they did the huge investigation and pwnd all those accounts and pos. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!

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