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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.03 14:55:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Merdaneth
The best the Cosmopolite could come up with was to add the qualifier 'having an open mind' as why they talk to you, but won't talk to us. Obviously this is an ill-defined and extremely subjective term and Star Fraction's terrible general policy to judge people as lacking an 'open mind' without even trying to open communications first only adds to this.
It is completely clear to me *why* we are enemies ms. Rhiannon, and what your issues are with me. As for Star Fraction, apparently I am guilty of having a 'closed mind' and that is enough for them to target me for termination.
Merdaneth, stop telling lies. I have not said at any point that we will not talk to people who we think do not have an 'open mind'. You batten onto anything in order to twist and turn people's words.
As to PIE, I am amazed at your audacity, PIE and Jericho Fraction, both as corporations and in their respective alliances (CVA and SF at various times) have been foes for a very long time. It has nothing to do with you personally. I've explained many times that we operate on an organizational basis. I should also note that in the past there have been diplomatic discussions. Not exactly constructive and rather frosty but diplomacy nonetheless. It's simply a lie for you to say otherwise.
We have refused no-one diplomatic contact. To say we have is a lie. PIE are quite welcome to talk to us if they wish. If you really want PIE to talk to us, then you need to argue the case within PIE and if diplomats approach us, they will be listened to. You say you are a big fan of persuasion, well, use some on your colleagues and let us see what happens.
There is no personal issue involved in the opposition of the Star Fraction to the Amarr Empire and paramilitaries and militias that support it in word and deed. I think the only obsession on display is the one certain Amarrian paramilitaries seem to have with Jade Constantine. You appear to share this obsession and now seem unable to make a post without referring to her.
The Cosmopolite
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.03 16:43:00 -
[32]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Merdaneth, stop telling lies. I have not said at any point that we will not talk to people who we think do not have an 'open mind'. You batten onto anything in order to twist and turn people's words.
I have not said that. I am merely pointing out to you that you say you practice 'persuasion before coercion', then I notice your CEO sets several corporations to red without trying to persuade them to leave the Militia by diplomacy first. When asked why this policy was chosen your only excuse is that you don't use persuasion on people with a closed mind.
I'm not saying you won't talk to these people. I'm saying you are trying to shoot them first, and only willing to talk to them second (and then only on their initiative). That's called coercion Cosmopolite. It's really not that difficult.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.03 17:45:00 -
[33]
Merdaneth, I know that you can't help but twist people's words and indulging in misquoting, but please note that we prefer persuasion to coercion. This is not equivalent to saying we will always try persuasion before using force. I'd thank you not to place in quotation marks words that we haven't used and I'd thank you to please pay attention to context. It matters whether you like it or not.
Now, we do indeed use coercion against our enemies but we also keep the door of diplomacy and persuasion open. Our enemies are those that use violence against us and use violence in support of those who wish to enslave or murder us. You are an enemy and those active militia corporations fighting on behalf of the Amarr Empire are enemies. We're not duty bound to initiate diplomacy with enemies. We do consider it necessary to give notice of changes in standing arising from our determination that someone is an enemy and not truly neutral. In giving notice of this, we also open the way for diplomacy if our enemy so desires it. I can't be convinced that this is in any way out of line with our principles.
You seem to be having difficulty with a very simple concept here: anarchists use violence, force and, yes, coercion against those who initiate violence against us and threaten violence against us or actively support the initiation of violence against us û such threats and active support being in themselves a form of violence. We don't use violence, force or coercion against people who go about their business in such a way that they are no threat to us or our future. Most especially, we don't use violence, force or coercion against people who use no violence or who are only using violence defensively. I have to repeat again, anarchism is not pacificism or the absolute refusal to coerce under any circumstances whatever. Any argument that proceeds from such a false basis is bound to reach false conclusions. Just as you do.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.03 18:54:00 -
[34]
Returning to the diplomatic purpose of this thread:
As of 03/05/ 20:00 hours Star Fraction gives notice of imminent negative standings setting to:
Dark Seraph [DRS] Verjigorm
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.03 20:30:00 -
[35]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
You seem to be having difficulty with a very simple concept here: anarchists use violence, force and, yes, coercion against those who initiate violence against us and threaten violence against us or actively support the initiation of violence against us û such threats and active support being in themselves a form of violence. We don't use violence, force or coercion against people who go about their business in such a way that they are no threat to us or our future. Most especially, we don't use violence, force or coercion against people who use no violence or who are only using violence defensively.
That concept is very clear to me. I am merely trying to understand *when* anarchists use violence. I have no doubt members of Star Fraction have been shot at by military vessels from each of the four empires at some date. This can apparently mean that you feel free to open aggression on any pilot affiliated with those Empires in some manner. However, you clearly choose to shoot at some and not at others, and apparently chose to initiate diplomatic contact with some and not with others.
In theory, you can find a fitting reason in your broad policy to excuse nearly any aggressive act, hence it cannot serve as a guideline to predict that aggression or evaluate the justness of that aggression. There is a need to know why you choose to shoot some without diplomacy, and not others.
So far the classification open/close minded is the closest answer you have given to the *when* question. if the public does not know how to avert your aggressive attentions because they cannot accurately predict when and if you turn against them and thus how to avoid this in the future, then any policy of coercion will be ineffective. You will merely be an agent of chaos. If that is your purpose, fine. In such a case it is only just that I warn others that Star Fraction are purely agents of chaos and advise them to treat you accordingly.
If the Minmatar submit to the Empire and allow themselves to be subject to slavery, they can trust me not to use aggression against them anymore. But if someone announces they oppose slavery, they might very well still be at the receiving end of your aggression at a later date, for example for directly or indirectly supporting a space-holding entity that is the the flavor of the month in SF circles.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.03 21:26:00 -
[36]
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 03/05/2009 21:30:22
Originally by: Merdaneth
If the Minmatar submit to the Empire and allow themselves to be subject to slavery, they can trust me not to use aggression against them anymore.
Is this a joke? Slavery is a standing aggression.
That to one side, I repudiate your continuing attempts to paint us as arbitrary in our use of violence. If people take hostile action against us, they can expect violence. If people are active in the militias of the empires that we are actively opposing, they may expect violent opposition but we will always give them notice assuming they have not aggressed us. If people actively support the military adventures or expansionist policies of the empires we oppose then they may also expect violent opposition, but again we will give notice if they have not already aggressed us.
This is not an arbitrary assemblage and it is by no means so broad we could set anyone we wanted to -10 and credibly justify it.
Anyone who does not engage in hostile acts against us, who refrains from active support of the militias and who refrains from other forms of active military support for the empires we actively oppose can be very sure they will not be set to -10 by us. Anyone who actively supports the empires we actively oppose is quite welcome to contact us if they have any concerns. It has happened in the past and on occasion agreements have been reached, usually of the form of non-interference agreements and the like.
I think your suggestion that no-one can be sure whether we will attack them or not is pure mischief-making and just a variation on the age-old attempts that all our foes make of casting aspersions on our well-known and strictly observed rules of engagement and the basis behind them.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.03 21:58:00 -
[37]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
That to one side, I repudiate your continuing attempts to paint us as arbitrary in our use of violence.
I'm not claiming your aggression *is* arbitraty, merely that it *seems* arbitraty. And as long as you are unable to give clear and understandable explanations or provide facts that are congruent with your earlier explanation of Star Fraction ideology, I will continue to ask pointed questions.
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
If people take hostile action against us, they can expect violence. If people are active in the militias of the empires that we are actively opposing, they may expect violent opposition but we will always give them notice assuming they have not aggressed us. If people actively support the military adventures or expansionist policies of the empires we oppose then they may also expect violent opposition, but again we will give notice if they have not already aggressed us.
I thank you for adding another qualifier. Anyone who passively or indirectly supports the military adventures or expansionist policies is thus exempt from future Star Fraction aggression, unless they take hostile action against Star Fraction, right?
I merely hope that rather than 'giving them notice' you actually try to persuade them to cease their active support. Otherwise, I will still have problems with your statement of preferring persuasion above coercion. Especially as you seem rather close-minded in determining whom you consider close-minded.
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Anyone who does not engage in hostile acts against us, who refrains from active support of the militias and who refrains from other forms of active military support for the empires we actively oppose can be very sure they will not be set to -10 by us. Anyone who actively supports the empires we actively oppose is quite welcome to contact us if they have any concerns. It has happened in the past and on occasion agreements have been reached, usually of the form of non-interference agreements and the like.
I thought you actively opposed *all* imperialist space-holding entities, if not all actively simultaneously for obvious reasons of practicality. Now you are suggesting that some empires are exempt from Star Fraction attention? As I have understood your ideology, this exemption is only temporary in nature, as you target the *worst* imperialist empires first, right? Once you have broken down the worst offenders of imperialism, you'll turn your attentions to the next on the list, if they still persist in imperialist tendencies, right?
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
I think your suggestion that no-one can be sure whether we will attack them or not is pure mischief-making and just a variation on the age-old attempts that all our foes make of casting aspersions on our well-known and strictly observed rules of engagement and the basis behind them.
Perhaps your policies are perfectly predictable to some. However, they are not to me, hence you see me asking questions.
The point of a set of strictly observed rules of engagement is predictability and trust. If the rules of engagement are broken, you would need to take action against the rulebreakers for fear of losing the trust others place in you. Such action is usually taken by those in a position of authority, someone empowered to judge when a rule has been broken and to execute appropriate measures. I still need to understand how such a rule-breaking is handled in a group of people living according to a Political Anarchy model, since I believe there would be no such authority. Is it possible, for example, for a Star Fraction recruit to accuse the Star Fraction CEO of breaking the rules and then ejecting her from the anarchist collective. If not, why not?
My apologies to Ms. Constantine, since my last question is really beyond the scope of this thread and thus threatens to derail it. You are free to respond in a separate one.
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Van Cleef
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.05.04 00:50:00 -
[38]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
.... and you support conquest by force of those who wish nothing but to be left alone to get on with their individual and independent lives....
Call us hypocrites all you like, in your mouth the word is ringingly hollow.
The Cosmopolite
While anyone here who is in the know of your actions wouldn't take anything you said to be at face value, this one was a bit too rich to pass by.
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Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.04 14:13:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Van Cleef
While anyone here who is in the know of your actions wouldn't take anything you said to be at face value, this one was a bit too rich to pass by.
A complaint about the defeat of the Caldari State-supporting paramilitary Kimotoro Directive alliance by the Star Fraction? A complaint from a corporation that chose to break the freely-agreed ceasefire between it and ourselves in support of the Amarr paramilitaries? A complaint from a member of a corporation that killed 65,000 citizens of the Caldari State who wished merely to talk to their government?
Yes, a bit rich and again ringingly hollow.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.04 14:54:00 -
[40]
As to Merdaneth's continued difficulties, this thread deals primarily with notice of standings to active militia elements and ties into our rules of engagement which are very simple: no Star Fraction pilot may fire on another pilot unless they are set red or the other pilot initiates hostile action in space against our pilots.*
Now, he harps on about his incomprehension as to the existence of rules and authority within an anarchist organization. The explanation is very simple: the pilots of the Star Fraction all freely agree to observe the rules and organizational structure of the alliance and its corporations. If they wish to leave, they may do so without any prejudice. If they wish to remain in the Star Fraction, they agree to observe its code of conduct, rules of engagement and method of organization. If someone refuse to observe the rules which everyone else lives by, they are asked to leave the organization. Now, he can say that this sort of thing goes on in non-anarchist organizations. Yes, indeed, it may very well. I don't say this is a uniquely anarchist feature but it is certainly necessary in a truly anarchist organization.
The caricature view that anarchists don't believe in organization needs to be left to one side. It is not social and political organization we have a difficulty with. It is the imposition of it by violence, the threat of violence or the implied threat of violence that we are opposed to.
I think I have explained at ample length the position when it comes to declaring people red so that most people can reasonably make up their minds as to the likelihoods with regards one entity or another. I am inclined to see Merdaneth's confusion as rather synthetic and somewhat mischievous. I will add a note that he must understand that I do not agree with his blanket use of the term 'space-holding entity' as if all such are the same. The term, for one thing, could cover a large variety of entities with radically different outlooks and policies. We don't operate a rote formula where 'space-holding entity' is some kind of checkbox in our diplomatic calculus.
I also would draw attention to the fact that we draw a distinction, and I think this should be obvious by our policies and actions but I will make it explicit, between capsuleer entities and political states and organizations controlled by non-capsuleers. We are realists and we note that capsuleer satrapies or gangster regimes in 0.0 consist of a few hundred to a few thousand capsuleers with perhaps a million to a few tens of millions of crew, support staff, slaves or what have you. This is in contrast to the big four empires, and some of lesser states controlled by non-capsuleers, where there are billions upon billions of people, vast navies and the enormous resources of hundreds or thousands of populated worlds, colonized moons, orbital stations and space industrial complexes.
Put simply, we don't currently see a really significant consistent threat to the freedoms of the future in the confused and conflicted actions of even the worst capsuleer tyrants of the outer worlds. The situation is not ideal but it is largely held in check by the general unwillingness of outer world capsuleers to see a single overwhelming capsuleer power emerge. The core empires then, with their capacity, still, to take severe action to stymy the development of freedom are a major concern and the use of capsuleer proxies is a particular concern. We have always identified this as an area where we might apply our strength as best we are able. To that end, we have to identify and oppose capsuleer organizations that fight on behalf of the empires.
I am sure that this thread will have further updates in that vein as the days go on.
The Cosmopolite
* Tournaments and arranged duels, etc. are of course another matter but I feel a note on them is necessary because any nit will be picked by some people if they think it benefits them.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:02:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 05/05/2009 19:05:05
As of 05/05/ 20:00 hours Star Fraction gives notice of imminent negative standings setting to:
24th Imperial Guard [1PG] Admiral Unie
Omicron Resource Technologies Limited [ORTL] Joshua Darkmoor
The Miners Paradise [TIMP] Ze CEO
Mentally Disabledp [-M-D] CBETA CEMEHOBA
Vitiosus Eventus [VITI] Crouchie UK
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:02:00 -
[42]
you announce that these corps are now -10, and are free targets of SF in the warzone, but your not actually at war, nor are they free targets, because if they were, then you would attack us freely at gates and stations in our warzone.
Everytime I see a SF pilot, i wait and see if you got the balls to actually aggress me, but you dont. All you got is a pile of crap covered words that you spit out in the IGS.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:13:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Invelious
you announce that these corps are now -10, and are free targets of SF in the warzone, but your not actually at war, nor are they free targets, because if they were, then you would attack us freely at gates and stations in our warzone. Everytime I see a SF pilot, i wait and see if you got the balls to actually aggress me, but you dont. All you got is a pile of crap covered words that you spit out in the IGS.
I've yet to see you flying something worth killing that wasn't in dock range of a station.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:25:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Invelious
you announce that these corps are now -10, and are free targets of SF in the warzone, but your not actually at war, nor are they free targets, because if they were, then you would attack us freely at gates and stations in our warzone. Everytime I see a SF pilot, i wait and see if you got the balls to actually aggress me, but you dont. All you got is a pile of crap covered words that you spit out in the IGS.
I've yet to see you flying something worth killing that wasn't in dock range of a station.
Not worth killing? LOL, your a joke, if you declare hostilities against a specific group or faction, then by that standard you should aggress any ship.
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LiuSang Nightingale
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Posted - 2009.05.05 23:43:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Invelious
Not worth killing? LOL, your a joke, if you declare hostilities against a specific group or faction, then by that standard you should aggress any ship.
Your logic is as poor as your fighting prowess.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.05.06 00:40:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Invelious
you announce that these corps are now -10, and are free targets of SF in the warzone, but your not actually at war, nor are they free targets, because if they were, then you would attack us freely at gates and stations in our warzone. Everytime I see a SF pilot, i wait and see if you got the balls to actually aggress me, but you dont. All you got is a pile of crap covered words that you spit out in the IGS.
I've yet to see you flying something worth killing that wasn't in dock range of a station.
So far Star Fraction is the one in the docking range of stations with their carrier in kamela. Amarr Militia has open agressive intension against enemies of Amarr empire which can be proven by daily losses of minmatar gangs. And either you stand by your principles and thinks you believe or you will pick your targets as a suicide camper in jita based on worth. Either you engage people you consider as arch enemies or you just tolerate them and get occasional kill.
Couse one thing is talking and another to make a stand and fight. Wardeclaring few amarr corporations may sound like doing somethink with killing few undocking people but on other hand to let amarrian roaming fleets kill minmatar gangs is somethink completly different.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.06 03:53:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/05/2009 03:53:41
Originally by: Nur AlHuda
So far Star Fraction is the one in the docking range of stations with their carrier in kamela. Amarr Militia has open agressive intension against enemies of Amarr empire which can be proven by daily losses of minmatar gangs.
You certainly do skirmish against the Minmatar gangs its true. You do so in light ships in the main that are agile and manouverable but lack the punch required to score significant victories in fleet battles - so the war continues. At this point its not for any Amarrian to criticise engagement methodology of then enemy however. We have witnessed some of the most craven tactics imaginable from your commanders and prefer simply to continue the fight and adapt as circumstances demand.
This however is not a discussion for this thread. Please take it to the one I indicated in the op if you wish more substantive rebuttal of your points.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.06 13:00:00 -
[48]
Originally by: LiuSang Nightingale
Originally by: Invelious
Not worth killing? LOL, your a joke, if you declare hostilities against a specific group or faction, then by that standard you should aggress any ship.
Your logic is as poor as your fighting prowess.
Actually the logic is just fine, dont declare hostiles one someone and not act on it. plan and simple.
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.06 19:28:00 -
[49]
Actually Star Fraction is an NBSI entity. -SF- takes responsibility for its actions and treats diplomacy seriously. The announcement of standing changes is a part of the alliance policy. -10 standing is not a declaration of war, but a declaration that Star Fraction reserves the right to initiate hostilities against the above listed corporations. Plain and simple.
Now stop clowning around.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 19:56:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Tecam Hund
Actually Star Fraction is an NBSI entity. -SF- takes responsibility for its actions and treats diplomacy seriously. The announcement of standing changes is a part of the alliance policy. -10 standing is not a declaration of war, but a declaration that Star Fraction reserves the right to initiate hostilities against the above listed corporations. Plain and simple.
Now stop clowning around.
Mr. Hund, while I'm not a member of Star Fraction, I can tell you with a fair amount of certainty that Star Fraction is not an NBSI entity. Perhaps you should pay better attention in SF PR-training class?
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.06 19:59:00 -
[51]
Idiotic mistake, my apologies. I was away for a year and my abbreviations became mixed up. NRDS it is. Still, I believe you can see what i was trying to say.
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Kovid
Reaper Industries
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.06 20:42:00 -
[52]
How long until someone later quotes Tecam for some twisted debate?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 21:00:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Tecam Hund
Idiotic mistake, my apologies. I was away for a year and my abbreviations became mixed up. NRDS it is. Still, I believe you can see what i was trying to say.
Don't worry about it, most things Fractioneers say tend to be at least a little bit 'mixed up'.
The mistake has been addressed and corrected, apologies were made, so please continue with the real debate.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.07 13:27:00 -
[54]
Just wondering, is the gallante militia -10 to SF? or is their government acceptable by SF standards like the minmatar's?
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.07 13:54:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Invelious
Just wondering, is the gallante militia -10 to SF? or is their government acceptable by SF standards like the minmatar's?
As previously stated a long time ago the laughing named Federal Defense Union is set -10 by all Star Fraction corporations. As with all other militias the individual capsuleer run corporations within the militia itself are set to negative or positive on a case by case basis.
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.07 13:58:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Heartstone
Originally by: Invelious
Just wondering, is the gallante militia -10 to SF? or is their government acceptable by SF standards like the minmatar's?
As previously stated a long time ago the laughing named Federal Defense Union is set -10 by all Star Fraction corporations. As with all other militias the individual capsuleer run corporations within the militia itself are set to negative or positive on a case by case basis.
But, the other day there was a fleet of gallante, minmatar and SF were "helping" why did you not engage the gallante at that time?
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.07 14:39:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Invelious
But, the other day there was a fleet of gallante, minmatar and SF were "helping" why did you not engage the gallante at that time?
You seem to be under the misapprehension that when we, or anyone else for that matter, set another organisation to negative standings they we must, at all times, engage their ships. This is simply not true. It's not a black and white universe out there Inveloius despite what your priesthood tells you.
If hostile entity A is fighting with hostile entity B and hostile entity B happens to be the focus of your current campaign why wouldn't you assist hostile entity A? The Amarr militia do it all the time, we do it, pretty much everyone does it.
In regards to that specific incident I cannot really say what happened as I am currently concentrating on other matters and am not on the front lines much these days but I would assume that if it happened it happened because of what I just said.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:36:00 -
[58]
Omicron Resource Technologies Limited [ORTL] Joshua Darkmoor
The Miners Paradise [TIMP] Ze CEO
Mentally Disabled [-M-D] CBETA CEMEHOBA
Vitiosus Eventus [VITI] Crouchie UK
Are now confirmed as -10 targets of opportunity to the Star Fraction.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.20 14:26:00 -
[59]
As for 16:00 hours 20th May we're putting Helljumpers [ODST] Corp on notice of -10 standings and potential action.
This former Caldari Militia corporation has relocated to the Amarrian front and been seen cooperating with both 24th Crusade and CVA operations and unless we receive diplomatic notice of their intention to quit the Amarrian nationalist cause in 24 hours from this point we will be adjusting their standings accordingly.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.20 15:18:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Invelious on 20/05/2009 15:17:58
Originally by: Jade Constantine
As for 16:00 hours 20th May we're putting Helljumpers [ODST] Corp on notice of -10 standings and potential action.
This former Caldari Militia corporation has relocated to the Amarrian front and been seen cooperating with both 24th Crusade and CVA operations and unless we receive diplomatic notice of their intention to quit the Amarrian nationalist cause in 24 hours from this point we will be adjusting their standings accordingly.
*sigh* Jader, no one cares about your silly -10. Just set them -10, because we know they wont listen to you. Stop coming on here at sending out this messages. It is a waste. Your going to set them -10 and not attack them, woop de do.
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