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Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 02:03:00 - [1] With the Star Fraction campaign against the 24th Crusade entering its 151st day with another largely successful period of combat victories and generally unchallenged presence in Kamela System the time has come to clear up some accounts with various minor supporters of the 24th Crusade and clarify standings to the benefit of our rules of engagement. Star Fraction is an NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot) organization and though we have the core 24th Crusade and the huge majority of significant nationalist capsuleer corporations tagged -10 already, we hereby give fair notice of our intention to set any other 24th Crusade affiliates resident in or patrolling around Kamela to negative standings with a 24 hour warning at our discretion. We will keep this thread updated as new entities are given notice to quit the 24th Crusade. * To the following organizations we give fair warning. You have 24 hours to undertake a public commitment to quit the 24th Crusade and return your corporation to neutral capsuleer endeavours or the Star Fraction will adjust your specific standings to -10 and authorize full engagement freedom to our pilots. * Lotus Megra [LBLAK] - Hanz Wazkminerador Commando Central [CTRAL] Cmte Menezes Deus Imperiosus Acies [XDIAX] Invelious Poseidon's Wingmen [SENEX] Iceguerilla *** This thread is for information purposes and is to the benefit of those entities named as they will receive fair warning of incoming aggression and we will honour our rules of engagement in the warzone. By all means use this thread for commentary on topic, but I'd ask commentators neutral or otherwise to discuss general issues and random propaganda pertaining to Operation Castrato in the original thread. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.01 06:53:00 - [2] Originally by: Jade Constantine This thread is for information purposes and is to the benefit of those entities named as they will receive fair warning of incoming aggression and we will honour our rules of engagement in the warzone. What were the results of the diplomatic negotiations prior to issuing this threat of force? Originally by: The Cosmopolite We on the other hand prefer to encourage and we prefer to demonstrate by our own example. We prefer persuasion to his preference of coercion. Or do you, ms. Constantine, consider your threat 'persuasion' in the sense of the SF doctrine as proposed by The Cosmopolite above? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Graelyn Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.01 10:26:00 - [3] Within a week of my move to DIA, threats from SF. Delicious! Good luck in Kamela. Let us know when you plan on attending the actual conflict zone. I'm sure someone distracted from the actual war objectives (and the militia has plenty of fighters enrolling themselves on the winning side just for kicks, I'm sure we all agree) would be glad to bother taking down more of your horrifically-fitted carriers. And no, you cannot control the thread. Mirth and mocking of your sad, failed efforts to stop the victory of the Crusade will go on wherever folks will them. Attempts to direct the retorts of those you threaten smacks a bit of Keiron... For those just tuning in, let me paraphrase the illustrious efforts of the mighty Star Fraction: SF: We're going to stop Amarr! Amarr: Heh, ok. takes systems from the Minmatar SF: Why aren't you fighting us? You're scared! Amarr: Ok. takes systems from the Minmatar SF: That's IT! We're setting you to -10! Amarr: Excelsior! Takes systems from the Minmatar I know you desperately want this conflict to be about you. How frustrating it must be to realize it is not! The solution is, of course, to claim new objectives, to say you were never interested in stopping the crusade from winning the war, a "we didn't want that region anyways" approach, as the late BoB Alliance might say. That is wise, since you have proven unable to stop the Crusade. See you on the field, if we get bored I guess... Graelyn toasts a glass of wine absentmindedly
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 14:01:00 - [4] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 01/05/2009 14:03:03 Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Jade Constantine This thread is for information purposes and is to the benefit of those entities named as they will receive fair warning of incoming aggression and we will honour our rules of engagement in the warzone. What were the results of the diplomatic negotiations prior to issuing this threat of force? There were none. The actions taken are in line with our policy with regard to the militias that we consider hostile. As of our change in stance to the Minmatar militia, this still includes the 24th Imperial Crusade. A notice period of 24 hours during which all the organizations listed may request diplomacy before hostilities commence has been given. They may also request diplomacy after this has expired. However, our view is simple enough, active support of the Amarr empire's military adventures is sufficient grounds for viewing an entity as a threat. Affiliation to the 24th Imperial Crusade is sufficient evidence of such active support. Quote: Originally by: The Cosmopolite We on the other hand prefer to encourage and we prefer to demonstrate by our own example. We prefer persuasion to his preference of coercion. Or do you, ms. Constantine, consider your threat 'persuasion' in the sense of the SF doctrine as proposed by The Cosmopolite above? All the entities involved are actively engaged in supporting military adventures backed by the Amarr Empire and are supporters of its policies of enslavement and conquest. They are already in the category of initiating violence and supporting the initiation of violence against any who oppose the Amarr Empire. The use of violence to oppose, stymie and reverse them is entirely legitimate. This is in stark contrast to the policies of the Amarr Empire which has repeatedly used violence against those who offered none or were incapable of offering any. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.01 16:06:00 - [5] Hmmm, so SF is now wasting their time in Kamela instead of Arzad?
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.01 16:24:00 - [6] What were the results of the diplomatic negotiations prior to issuing this threat of force? Originally by: The Cosmopolite There were none. Just making sure that you are not even trying to talk to parties that join the 24th Imperial Crusade. So much for SF preference of persuasion above coercion... Incidentally, the general demeanor of your CEO: 'Wardec or STFU', 'prove it in space', seems to indicate a marked preference for coercion above persuasion. Hence your claim that Star Fraction prefers persuasion above coercion seems hollow. In fact, which war or KOS declarations made by Star Fraction were preceded with rounds of diplomatic negotations? And how do they relate to non-diplomatic declarations? 5%, less? How many threads have been started by Star Fraction on the IGS intended to persuade other parties to adapt their policies, as opposed threads started with war declarations, KOS declarations or threats to that effect? Two, one, zero? You must no doubt have noticed I have did start many threads explaining Amarrian customs, and trying to persuade others to see the light through non-forceful means. I rarely threaten during these discussions. To argue that I prefer coercion and Star Fraction persuasion is laughable. Yet you keep wondering why people think Star Fraction are a bunch of hypocrites? Star Fraction needs to shape up and either accept their failure to be Political Anarchists, or kick out their CEO. Anything else will continue damage their public image. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 18:05:00 - [7] On 01/05 19:00 hours we're adding notice of standings change to the following 24th Crusade affiliates: (remember the named organizations are entirely welcome to contact us diplomatically and/or take steps to distance themselves from the corrupt memetic taint of Amarrian Nationalism). * La Santa Companya [SA-CO] mandoble Shadow Rebellion** [.SRN] Falconhawk ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.05.01 18:32:00 - [8] Please add us to your kos list if we are not there yet. We are mostly nationalistic ammarians and we fight against any kind of freedom fighters that are working against amarr interest.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 18:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Nur AlHuda Please add us to your kos list if we are not there yet. We are mostly nationalistic ammarians and we fight against any kind of freedom fighters that are working against amarr interest. You are already set as such. See you in space. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Dangerous Vixen Ebon Seraph	Posted - 2009.05.01 19:56:00 - [10] Ebon Seraph [E.S.] - Dangerous Vixen Thought I would assist you Jade. Adjust your standings accordingly.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 20:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Dangerous Vixen Ebon Seraph [E.S.] - Dangerous Vixen Thought I would assist you Jade. Adjust your standings accordingly. Much obliged. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Dangerous Vixen Ebon Seraph [E.S.] - Dangerous Vixen Thought I would assist you Jade. Adjust your standings accordingly. Much obliged. Wow, more help for SF, you couldnt do it with the minnies helping you, or with Heretics there too, now we have ebon seraph out here, hmmm who are they again?
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Merdaneth What were the results of the diplomatic negotiations prior to issuing this threat of force? Originally by: The Cosmopolite There were none. Just making sure that you are not even trying to talk to parties that join the 24th Imperial Crusade. So much for SF preference of persuasion above coercion... Merdaneth, let us be clear, you and those like you are enemies. The people we have set -10 are enemies. You support slavery and you support conquest by force of those who wish nothing but to be left alone to get on with their individual and independent lives. You don't merit diplomacy until you repudiate your belief that anyone who does not believe as you do should be forcibly enslaved and all their progeny fed lies and drugs for generations until down the line their descendents are 'enlightened'. Now, you are in no position to lecture us. We have had many years of practising our doctrine of persuasion above violence. We are known as people who maintain our word and honour agreements. Ideological enemies say not. This is not really a surprise. But over the years, many who fight us for other reasons have recognised the worth of our diplomacy and respected it, even if they don't agree with us. We prefer persuasion and we will always try to persuade those we believe will listen with an open mind. Any neutral will be negotiated with. Any hostile that asks for talks will find us ready to talk. Any war enemy who wishes to sue for peace will find us open-minded. But know this, you and you ilk are our deadly foes and we will use violence to oppose you wherever and whenever it is the surest means to stop you. We know that as long as you remain committed to the vile policies of the Amarr Empire and continue to actively support it, there is no meaningful diplomacy to be had. That is our judgement. Call us hypocrites all you like, in your mouth the word is ringingly hollow. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Dangerous Vixen Ebon Seraph	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:38:00 - [14] We are certainly not going to be helping SF. We don't have to explain ourselves. Maybe you should do some research.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 01/05/2009 21:41:04 Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 01/05/2009 21:38:56 Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Dangerous Vixen Ebon Seraph [E.S.] - Dangerous Vixen Thought I would assist you Jade. Adjust your standings accordingly. Much obliged. Wow, more help for SF, you couldnt do it with the minnies helping you, or with Heretics there too, now we have ebon seraph out here, hmmm who are they again? D.V. is "assisting" SF by telling them to set Ebon Seraph negative as it is part of the Amarrian militia. My question would be: what is the point of this thread? Letting people know you have set them negative when you have already declared that you are going to set anyone helping the militia as negative seems a bit pointless, no? Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri My question would be: what is the point of this thread? For you? There is no point to the thread. You are already -10. You can go now. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.01 23:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri My question would be: what is the point of this thread? For you? There is no point to the thread. You are already -10. You can go now. LOL, you speak like you have a level of authority, I find this amusing. I look forward to the fail train of your next operation.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.02 03:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Jade Constantine For you? There is no point to the thread. You are already -10. You can go now. And what makes you think that I was asking about the point of the thread for me? I do not need your help to ascertain that the only point of this thread for my own purposes is potential amusement at your expense. No, I am afraid that I see no purpose for your thread to exist. Unless you actively want to advertise that your intelligence capabilities as an organisation are of such a low quality that you have failed up to this point to enact a policy which you stated you were enacting months ago. I mean, it could be an attempt to suggest that SF is actually relevant in the war theater, but if that is the case you probably should have waited till you actually got some poor craven to quit the militia on account of your threats. It would not change the fact that you are an utterly irrelevant force in the universe, but it would at least give some substance to your thread. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.02 05:59:00 - [19] Edited by: Merdaneth on 02/05/2009 05:59:22 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Merdaneth, let us be clear, you and those like you are enemies. Cosmopolite, let me be clear: A. You say SF prefers persuasion to coercion B. All organizations who desire to hold space and have cultures that support are your enemies C. You don't talk to your enemies (diplomacy), you shoot them (coercion) D. Nearly all organizations in New Eden either desire to hold space or support entities that desire to hold space E. You have talked to some of the organization that fall under D, like Electus Matari. F. You refuse to talk to or persuade other organizations that fall under D. G. You don't practice persuasion: 99% of all Star Fraction actions are coercion-related. H. You are hypocrites. The only additional point you bring suddenly bring here is that you don't talk to organizations that "don't have an open mind?". Suddenly another qualifier needs to be introduced to cover up SF lies and hypocrisy. Well then, please tell is, how do you ascertain this open-minded ability? You don't even try to practice diplomacy with to them.... I believe the truly close-minded ones are member of the Star Fraction, mr. Cosmopolite. If it isn't obvious already, let me spell it out to you: 1. Your CEO doesn't wish to talk to these organizations 2. Your CEO is out for blood and glory (no doubt you must have noticed her constant desire to engage in grand fleet battles) 3. Your CEO does not care for your vaunted political anarchism. At all. 4. All of Star Fraction is subservient to its tyrant CEO. Oppose her openly and get kicked out. Quote: We prefer persuasion and we will always try to persuade those we believe will listen with an open mind. Any neutral will be negotiated with. Lies. By your own and your CEO's admission, the corporations you set to red at the start of this thread were neutral to you. Otherwise, it would not have been necessary to 'set them to red' or announce it. By your own admittance you did not negotiate with them prior to setting them to red. How can you sit there with a straight face and spout obvious lies? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Graelyn Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.02 06:05:00 - [20] Quote: How can you sit there with a straight face and spout obvious lies? Years of practice?
BattleStar Crusader Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium	Posted - 2009.05.02 11:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri My question would be: what is the point of this thread? For you? There is no point to the thread. You are already -10. You can go now. Again another thread of SF making empty threats and throwing they're huge egos around. No wonder you need the minnies help.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.02 12:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri No, I am afraid that I see no purpose for your thread to exist. Well I see no purpose for you to exist but I imagine we'll both have to learn to live with a certain level of disappointment on that score. Until then I will be killing 24th Crusade affiliates and our rules of engagement require a period of notification before standings change. As ever diplomatic options exist for those who are prepared to recant their support of a foul cause espoused by a bankrupt tyrant coddled by a dream of imperialist enclosure. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.02 14:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Merdaneth A. You say SF prefers persuasion to coercion B. All organizations who desire to hold space and have cultures that support are your enemies C. You don't talk to your enemies (diplomacy), you shoot them (coercion) D. Nearly all organizations in New Eden either desire to hold space or support entities that desire to hold space E. You have talked to some of the organization that fall under D, like Electus Matari. F. You refuse to talk to or persuade other organizations that fall under D. G. You don't practice persuasion: 99% of all Star Fraction actions are coercion-related. H. You are hypocrites. I'll deal with your points in turn. A: True. I do and we do. B: False. We've not declared that all entities that wish to hold space are our enemies. So that's lie number one on your part. C: False. We open talks with some enemies where we judge there is merit in doing so and we will always be willing to talk to any enemy that wishes to open talks with us. So that's lie number two on your part. D: Possibly true but not all such entities are the same in overall aims and ideology. Some are amenable to persuasion, some are not. I know that you like to construct arguments where everyone is either in category A or category B. I don't accept the merit of such arguments. They are specious. E: True and far more than you know about because we don't discuss our diplomatic conversations in public unless all parties agree to publicise certain aspects. F: False. We refuse to talk to nobody. You appear not to notice that this thread is in part an invitation to talk to us. It's laughable that you could 'spout' such an obvious lie. This is lie number three on your part. G: False. We practice persuasion very often. The claim that 99% of our activity is coercion is simply a base smear for which you have zero evidence. This is lie number four on your part. H: This is a false accusation but you don't use the term honestly so I'll let it go as you just venting your spleen with a thoughtless insult that you don't really understand. Four lies and a parroting of the stock insult. This is an argument by your lights? Rather sad. Now, you've also accused us of creating 'another qualifier' for our actions. I'm sorry, this is false. Our position on those who actively support the Amarr Empire has been clear for years. We reserve to ourselves the right to set as hostile those who we consider to be actively supporting hostile powers in their military adventures and expansionism. All that the current proxy-warfare brought was a new means by which to establish active support: affiliation to hostile empire militias. Your additional remarks about our CEO are simply smears with no basis in fact. I think you need to calm down. Originally by: Merdaneth Quote: We prefer persuasion and we will always try to persuade those we believe will listen with an open mind. Any neutral will be negotiated with. Lies. By your own and your CEO's admission, the corporations you set to red at the start of this thread were neutral to you. Otherwise, it would not have been necessary to 'set them to red' or announce it. By your own admittance you did not negotiate with them prior to setting them to red. How can you sit there with a straight face and spout obvious lies? It is not a lie because those corporations were not set red at the start of this thread, which you'd know if you actually read what we say instead of looking for sentences to quote out of context. The thread gives 24-hours notice before they are set red. It's announcing that we no longer view them as neutral and giving fair notice. A neutral is someone who remains neutral. If someone takes hostile action against us, they're not neutral and we set them red and then we may enter into diplomacy. Similarly, those who are active members of the militia by fact of membership and being active in the warzone are given notice of red status and are quite free to talk to us. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.02 20:38:00 - [24] Cosmopolite, I am simple looking towards understanding, but the ways of Star Fraction are murkier than a pit of stagnant filth. Originally by: The Cosmopolite B: False. We've not declared that all entities that wish to hold space are our enemies. So that's lie number one on your part. I think this is merely a difference in our definition of enemies. But I fully concur that you do not set all space-holding entities automatically to red. I did not intend my statement in that way. Originally by: The Cosmopolite C: False. We open talks with some enemies where we judge there is merit in doing so and we will always be willing to talk to any enemy that wishes to open talks with us. So that's lie number two on your part. This is false. Please re-read an earlier claim about the policy of Star fraction: Originally by: The Cosmopolite Will you attack all territorial alliances? No. Only those those that bring hostility to us and are completely unreachable by diplomatic and philosophical conversation from the dead-end street of xenophobic territorialism; there is much value in debating political paradigms with the leaders of alliances. We believe have good arguments and persuasive military and economic heft to employ in such debates. The freespace, posthumanist geist is a powerful force in and of itself. Did the corporations you set to red in this thread bring hostility to you? No. Were they unreachable by diplomatic and philosphical conversation. We don't know the answer to that because you didn't even try. Originally by: The Cosmopolite F: False. We refuse to talk to nobody. You appear not to notice that this thread is in part an invitation to talk to us. It's laughable that you could 'spout' such an obvious lie. This is lie number three on your part. Now you are being a literalist. Context indicates clearly that what was meant is that you prefer coercion above talking to these organizations. Please respond again. Originally by: The Cosmopolite G: False. We practice persuasion very often. The claim that 99% of our activity is coercion is simply a base smear for which you have zero evidence. This is lie number four on your part. Indeed. My observation is simply based in the observable behaviour of the Star Fraction, as (neccessarily) is your opinion about loyalists or myself. If you have evidence to the contrary, say that you present me with 2 corporations you have tried to persuade for each one you tried to coerce into some course of action, I'm quite willing to listen. Perhaps if you present some more evidence of the apparently friendly side of Star Fraction, rather than the constant drums of war beaten by your CEO, people might actually start believing you actually try to talk others out of a certain course of action. Originally by: The Cosmopolite We reserve to ourselves the right to set as hostile those who we consider to be actively supporting hostile powers in their military adventures and expansionism. There is no 'reservation of rights', that is like saying: we want to talk to everyone first, but we reserve the right to shoot everyone first if we think it good. And then proceed shooting nearly everyone first and rarely talking to anyone first. That is the core of your hypocrisy. Originally by: The Cosmopolite The thread gives 24-hours notice before they are set red. It's announcing that we no longer view them as neutral and giving fair notice. Either they were already enemies, or the weren't. Make up your mind. Originally by: The Cosmopolite A neutral is someone who remains neutral. A neutral is someone you have not yet set to red for some arbitrary reason. After all, you reserve the right to delcare anyone an enemy for whatever reason. You statement is hollow. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.02 20:42:00 - [25] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Your additional remarks about our CEO are simply smears with no basis in fact. I think you need to calm down. My remarks do have a basis in fact. Please re-read your CEO's responses in many of these threads. The remarks I made are not facts, they are merely my interpretations of the facts presented to me. However, even the unschooled can clearly recognize a narcissistic megalomaniac tyrant in the public image of Jade Constantine. However, I will do some additional research into this matter if that would satisfy you. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.02 21:30:00 - [26] Merdaneth, I do not intend to play quotation wars with you and, as you've moved into chopping up text, I'll respond only to that which appears to actually require refutation. You have made false claims about us and it's not for me to prove them false. You're the one making allegations, you're the one who needs to provide evidence. Anything you say without evidence is just a rant without any foundation. I am not granting that you should be provided evidence to counter claims for which you have provided zero evidence. I note also that when you make a false claim and are caught out on it you complain that I am being a 'literalist'. Well, you are the one who likes to shift from literal facts to 'interpretations' to commentary to suit your third-rate debating society mode of argumentation. I take a consistent line with your remarks. If they are literally untrue, I'm going to say so. It's just too bad if you don't like that. We open talks with some enemies where we judge there is merit in doing so and we will always be willing to talk to any enemy that wishes to open talks with us. That's a fact and no amount of you saying otherwise makes it otherwise. I stand by what you quoted and note in passing it is in reference to independent and territorial capsuleer alliances in 0.0. I think people should note that this is another instance of you grabbing at any quote and trying to twist it for your purposes. The corporations that are being given notice in this thread are affiliated to the 24th Imperial Crusade and are actively engaged in the expansionist war being prosecuted by the Amarr Empire. We oppose the Empire and its policies and we will fight those who crusade on its behalf: they are our enemies. When we recognise militia corporations as such we will give them notice of it. Overall, you just don't seem to understand that we're under no obligation to initiate talks with enemies. If they want to talk to us, that's fine, we will listen and we will even call a truce if they wish for the duration of talks. We've done this in the past. In the case of the organizations in question, we've made a judgement. It was not arbitrary. It was made on a quite clear and now long-established basis. They actively support the Amarr Empire. This is shown by their membership of the Amarr militia. They are active in space in the conflict zone. We've set them as hostile with 24 hours of notice. They have to option to talk to us and we'll listen. The facts are that the vast majority of entities we have set red have been set red because they carried out hostile acts against us. This includes many of the Amarr militia corporations and it includes every single vassal of the CVA that we have set red. It includes literally hundreds of pirate and 0.0 enclosurist corporations and alliances. Many of these simply refused to talk at our request. Some we didn't negotiate because we recognised the nature of the entity meant talk without showing our ability to defend ourselves would be futile. Pirates and certain 0.0 alliances commonly fall into that category. We have been monitoring the Amarr militia and it is quite clear that the active forces, seen regularly in space, are committed to support of the Amarr Empire and its doctrine of enslavement and conquest. These people have declared their values and they act on them. These people support our future enslavement. We're going to oppose them with force because we see it as the most effective means to oppose them. This is sad but regret about it is not going to shake our resolve. Your desire for pointless talk and misdirection is not going to find an echo in the way we conduct our diplomacy. These people have had fair warning. If they wish to talk, they are free to contact us. If they don't, that's up to them. They don't need a wormtongue like you to speak for them. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.03 00:52:00 - [27] Mr. Cosmopolite, Star Fraction policy continues to be at odds with other Star Fraction statements. I have no trouble in understanding Star Fraction policy if I ignore Star Fraction political and philosophical statements (as I have no doubt many readers here do). It is just when you attempt to add 'anarchist flavor' to your organization that it gets hard to understand. While I do not doubt Star Fraction may indeed harbor a few true anarchists, I believe the current dominance of your CEO and her hunger for power and recognition overrules any anarchist principles that might apply. Ms. Constantine expresses constant pride at Star Fraction's combat activities, but rarely does the same with diplomatic victories. She often ends discussions by retorting something in the vein of 'prove it in space', and hence I cannot but conclude that she seems to prefers to let guns do the talking. As an outsider I must conclude that combat victories matter much more to her than diplomatic victories. To then tell me that she, as titular head of the Star Fraction, endorses a philosophy of persuasion above coercion and of talking above shooting is a little too much for me to take. For each sermon Archbishop publishes, ms. Constantine (or you) publish an ultimatum, war declaration or war report. To call us people who prefer coercion and call yourselves people that prefer persuasion seems rather at odds with your public actions. Ms. Constantine often publicly wonders why so few Praetorians 'meet her in space', apparently oblivious to the fact that many Praetorians have other duties besides the constant waging of war. Does she not realize this? The public image of Star Fraction is that of an alliance of warriors with big mouths and expensive words dominated by a tyrant CEO, not an alliance of philosophical freespacers and equals trying to persuade other parties of their ideology rather than coerce others. Perhaps this picture doesn't do justice to the reality of Star Fraction. But unless I receive new facts that disprove my theory above, I simply must go with a theory that is supported by the available facts. As ideological opponent of the Political Anarchy, and frequent subject of Star Fraction aggression, I see no reason not to point out these flaws on the IGS, where everyone is able to see them. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.05.03 11:16:00 - [28] Quote: D. Nearly all organizations in New Eden either desire to hold space or support entities that desire to hold space E. You have talked to some of the organization that fall under D, like Electus Matari. Electus Matari does not hold space, nor has any desire or intent to start claiming territory. We support the Minmatar Republic's claim to theirs, but very explicitly have always supported the right to unaffiliated pilots to move and operate in Republic space, given that they do not commit crimes. Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat Electus Matari -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.03 13:28:00 - [29] Details and fine distinctions are not something Merdaneth ever lets get in the way of one of his sophomoric smears, Diplomat Rhiannon, but I commend you for putting the record right on the point relevant to you. Now, understanding anarchism seems difficult in its entirety for these Amarrian paramilities and I will discuss it elsewhere as I see no point in carrying on the same conversation in two threads. My main business today is to announce that all Amarr militia affiliates put on notice in this thread to date have now been set to -10 with in all cases a minimum of 24 hours elapsing from their mention in this thread and the standing being adjusted. For convenience, I will recap the list so far: Lotus Negra [LBLAK] Comando Central [CTRAL] Deus Imperiosus Acies [XDIAX] Poseidon's Wingmen [SENEX] La Santa Companya [SA-CO] Shadow Rebellion [.SRN] Gentlemen's Gaming and Fisticuff's Union [GGFU] The Lost Legion [LOLE] PROMETHEUS SQUADRON [PSDQ] SEPULCRO [SEPU] Ebon Seraph [E.S.] As ever, if any representative from these organizations (or indeed any other we have set red) wishes to talk to us, we will listen to what they have to say. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.03 14:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Electus Matari does not hold space, nor has any desire or intent to start claiming territory. We support the Minmatar Republic's claim to theirs, but very explicitly have always supported the right to unaffiliated pilots to move and operate in Republic space, given that they do not commit crimes. PIE is exactly the same ms. Rhiannon. However, Star Fraction is attacking us for supporting a space holding entity (the Amarr Empire) and we are not deemed worthy for diplomacy. Obviously, this difference between us cannot be found in our common lack of desire to hold space. Hence it must be found elsewhere, in something not dictated by the Star Fraction philosophy. The best the Cosmopolite could come up with was to add the qualifier 'having an open mind' as why they talk to you, but won't talk to us. Obviously this is an ill-defined and extremely subjective term and Star Fraction's terrible general policy to judge people as lacking an 'open mind' without even trying to open communications first only adds to this. It is completely clear to me why we are enemies ms. Rhiannon, and what your issues are with me. As for Star Fraction, apparently I am guilty of having a 'closed mind' and that is enough for them to target me for termination. Electus Matari and PIE have had many conflicts. However, there have been attempts to prevent or resolve these conflicts through diplomacy. The fact that diplomacy was generally unsuccessful has not made us decide to 'solely talk with our guns' in the future. I believe Electus Matari has stronger reasons to oppose PIE and refuse diplomatic contact than Star Fraction has. Hence my theory is that the aggression against PIE and other loyalist in combination with refusal to practice diplomacy is largely an extension of the obsession of the current Star Fraction CEO. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.03 14:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Merdaneth The best the Cosmopolite could come up with was to add the qualifier 'having an open mind' as why they talk to you, but won't talk to us. Obviously this is an ill-defined and extremely subjective term and Star Fraction's terrible general policy to judge people as lacking an 'open mind' without even trying to open communications first only adds to this. It is completely clear to me why we are enemies ms. Rhiannon, and what your issues are with me. As for Star Fraction, apparently I am guilty of having a 'closed mind' and that is enough for them to target me for termination. Merdaneth, stop telling lies. I have not said at any point that we will not talk to people who we think do not have an 'open mind'. You batten onto anything in order to twist and turn people's words. As to PIE, I am amazed at your audacity, PIE and Jericho Fraction, both as corporations and in their respective alliances (CVA and SF at various times) have been foes for a very long time. It has nothing to do with you personally. I've explained many times that we operate on an organizational basis. I should also note that in the past there have been diplomatic discussions. Not exactly constructive and rather frosty but diplomacy nonetheless. It's simply a lie for you to say otherwise. We have refused no-one diplomatic contact. To say we have is a lie. PIE are quite welcome to talk to us if they wish. If you really want PIE to talk to us, then you need to argue the case within PIE and if diplomats approach us, they will be listened to. You say you are a big fan of persuasion, well, use some on your colleagues and let us see what happens. There is no personal issue involved in the opposition of the Star Fraction to the Amarr Empire and paramilitaries and militias that support it in word and deed. I think the only obsession on display is the one certain Amarrian paramilitaries seem to have with Jade Constantine. You appear to share this obsession and now seem unable to make a post without referring to her. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.03 16:43:00 - [32] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Merdaneth, stop telling lies. I have not said at any point that we will not talk to people who we think do not have an 'open mind'. You batten onto anything in order to twist and turn people's words. I have not said that. I am merely pointing out to you that you say you practice 'persuasion before coercion', then I notice your CEO sets several corporations to red without trying to persuade them to leave the Militia by diplomacy first. When asked why this policy was chosen your only excuse is that you don't use persuasion on people with a closed mind. I'm not saying you won't talk to these people. I'm saying you are trying to shoot them first, and only willing to talk to them second (and then only on their initiative). That's called coercion Cosmopolite. It's really not that difficult. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.03 17:45:00 - [33] Merdaneth, I know that you can't help but twist people's words and indulging in misquoting, but please note that we prefer persuasion to coercion. This is not equivalent to saying we will always try persuasion before using force. I'd thank you not to place in quotation marks words that we haven't used and I'd thank you to please pay attention to context. It matters whether you like it or not. Now, we do indeed use coercion against our enemies but we also keep the door of diplomacy and persuasion open. Our enemies are those that use violence against us and use violence in support of those who wish to enslave or murder us. You are an enemy and those active militia corporations fighting on behalf of the Amarr Empire are enemies. We're not duty bound to initiate diplomacy with enemies. We do consider it necessary to give notice of changes in standing arising from our determination that someone is an enemy and not truly neutral. In giving notice of this, we also open the way for diplomacy if our enemy so desires it. I can't be convinced that this is in any way out of line with our principles. You seem to be having difficulty with a very simple concept here: anarchists use violence, force and, yes, coercion against those who initiate violence against us and threaten violence against us or actively support the initiation of violence against us û such threats and active support being in themselves a form of violence. We don't use violence, force or coercion against people who go about their business in such a way that they are no threat to us or our future. Most especially, we don't use violence, force or coercion against people who use no violence or who are only using violence defensively. I have to repeat again, anarchism is not pacificism or the absolute refusal to coerce under any circumstances whatever. Any argument that proceeds from such a false basis is bound to reach false conclusions. Just as you do. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.03 18:54:00 - [34] Returning to the diplomatic purpose of this thread: As of 03/05/ 20:00 hours Star Fraction gives notice of imminent negative standings setting to: Dark Seraph [DRS] Verjigorm ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.03 20:30:00 - [35] Originally by: The Cosmopolite You seem to be having difficulty with a very simple concept here: anarchists use violence, force and, yes, coercion against those who initiate violence against us and threaten violence against us or actively support the initiation of violence against us û such threats and active support being in themselves a form of violence. We don't use violence, force or coercion against people who go about their business in such a way that they are no threat to us or our future. Most especially, we don't use violence, force or coercion against people who use no violence or who are only using violence defensively. That concept is very clear to me. I am merely trying to understand when anarchists use violence. I have no doubt members of Star Fraction have been shot at by military vessels from each of the four empires at some date. This can apparently mean that you feel free to open aggression on any pilot affiliated with those Empires in some manner. However, you clearly choose to shoot at some and not at others, and apparently chose to initiate diplomatic contact with some and not with others. In theory, you can find a fitting reason in your broad policy to excuse nearly any aggressive act, hence it cannot serve as a guideline to predict that aggression or evaluate the justness of that aggression. There is a need to know why you choose to shoot some without diplomacy, and not others. So far the classification open/close minded is the closest answer you have given to the when question. if the public does not know how to avert your aggressive attentions because they cannot accurately predict when and if you turn against them and thus how to avoid this in the future, then any policy of coercion will be ineffective. You will merely be an agent of chaos. If that is your purpose, fine. In such a case it is only just that I warn others that Star Fraction are purely agents of chaos and advise them to treat you accordingly. If the Minmatar submit to the Empire and allow themselves to be subject to slavery, they can trust me not to use aggression against them anymore. But if someone announces they oppose slavery, they might very well still be at the receiving end of your aggression at a later date, for example for directly or indirectly supporting a space-holding entity that is the the flavor of the month in SF circles. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.03 21:26:00 - [36] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 03/05/2009 21:30:22 Originally by: Merdaneth If the Minmatar submit to the Empire and allow themselves to be subject to slavery, they can trust me not to use aggression against them anymore. Is this a joke? Slavery is a standing aggression. That to one side, I repudiate your continuing attempts to paint us as arbitrary in our use of violence. If people take hostile action against us, they can expect violence. If people are active in the militias of the empires that we are actively opposing, they may expect violent opposition but we will always give them notice assuming they have not aggressed us. If people actively support the military adventures or expansionist policies of the empires we oppose then they may also expect violent opposition, but again we will give notice if they have not already aggressed us. This is not an arbitrary assemblage and it is by no means so broad we could set anyone we wanted to -10 and credibly justify it. Anyone who does not engage in hostile acts against us, who refrains from active support of the militias and who refrains from other forms of active military support for the empires we actively oppose can be very sure they will not be set to -10 by us. Anyone who actively supports the empires we actively oppose is quite welcome to contact us if they have any concerns. It has happened in the past and on occasion agreements have been reached, usually of the form of non-interference agreements and the like. I think your suggestion that no-one can be sure whether we will attack them or not is pure mischief-making and just a variation on the age-old attempts that all our foes make of casting aspersions on our well-known and strictly observed rules of engagement and the basis behind them. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.03 21:58:00 - [37] Originally by: The Cosmopolite That to one side, I repudiate your continuing attempts to paint us as arbitrary in our use of violence. I'm not claiming your aggression is arbitraty, merely that it seems arbitraty. And as long as you are unable to give clear and understandable explanations or provide facts that are congruent with your earlier explanation of Star Fraction ideology, I will continue to ask pointed questions. Originally by: The Cosmopolite If people take hostile action against us, they can expect violence. If people are active in the militias of the empires that we are actively opposing, they may expect violent opposition but we will always give them notice assuming they have not aggressed us. If people actively support the military adventures or expansionist policies of the empires we oppose then they may also expect violent opposition, but again we will give notice if they have not already aggressed us. I thank you for adding another qualifier. Anyone who passively or indirectly supports the military adventures or expansionist policies is thus exempt from future Star Fraction aggression, unless they take hostile action against Star Fraction, right? I merely hope that rather than 'giving them notice' you actually try to persuade them to cease their active support. Otherwise, I will still have problems with your statement of preferring persuasion above coercion. Especially as you seem rather close-minded in determining whom you consider close-minded. Originally by: The Cosmopolite Anyone who does not engage in hostile acts against us, who refrains from active support of the militias and who refrains from other forms of active military support for the empires we actively oppose can be very sure they will not be set to -10 by us. Anyone who actively supports the empires we actively oppose is quite welcome to contact us if they have any concerns. It has happened in the past and on occasion agreements have been reached, usually of the form of non-interference agreements and the like. I thought you actively opposed all imperialist space-holding entities, if not all actively simultaneously for obvious reasons of practicality. Now you are suggesting that some empires are exempt from Star Fraction attention? As I have understood your ideology, this exemption is only temporary in nature, as you target the worst imperialist empires first, right? Once you have broken down the worst offenders of imperialism, you'll turn your attentions to the next on the list, if they still persist in imperialist tendencies, right? Originally by: The Cosmopolite I think your suggestion that no-one can be sure whether we will attack them or not is pure mischief-making and just a variation on the age-old attempts that all our foes make of casting aspersions on our well-known and strictly observed rules of engagement and the basis behind them. Perhaps your policies are perfectly predictable to some. However, they are not to me, hence you see me asking questions. The point of a set of strictly observed rules of engagement is predictability and trust. If the rules of engagement are broken, you would need to take action against the rulebreakers for fear of losing the trust others place in you. Such action is usually taken by those in a position of authority, someone empowered to judge when a rule has been broken and to execute appropriate measures. I still need to understand how such a rule-breaking is handled in a group of people living according to a Political Anarchy model, since I believe there would be no such authority. Is it possible, for example, for a Star Fraction recruit to accuse the Star Fraction CEO of breaking the rules and then ejecting her from the anarchist collective. If not, why not? My apologies to Ms. Constantine, since my last question is really beyond the scope of this thread and thus threatens to derail it. You are free to respond in a separate one. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Van Cleef Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2009.05.04 00:50:00 - [38] Originally by: The Cosmopolite .... and you support conquest by force of those who wish nothing but to be left alone to get on with their individual and independent lives.... Call us hypocrites all you like, in your mouth the word is ringingly hollow. The Cosmopolite While anyone here who is in the know of your actions wouldn't take anything you said to be at face value, this one was a bit too rich to pass by. ----------------------------------------------- Admiral Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.04 14:13:00 - [39] Originally by: Van Cleef While anyone here who is in the know of your actions wouldn't take anything you said to be at face value, this one was a bit too rich to pass by. A complaint about the defeat of the Caldari State-supporting paramilitary Kimotoro Directive alliance by the Star Fraction? A complaint from a corporation that chose to break the freely-agreed ceasefire between it and ourselves in support of the Amarr paramilitaries? A complaint from a member of a corporation that killed 65,000 citizens of the Caldari State who wished merely to talk to their government? Yes, a bit rich and again ringingly hollow. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.04 14:54:00 - [40] As to Merdaneth's continued difficulties, this thread deals primarily with notice of standings to active militia elements and ties into our rules of engagement which are very simple: no Star Fraction pilot may fire on another pilot unless they are set red or the other pilot initiates hostile action in space against our pilots.* Now, he harps on about his incomprehension as to the existence of rules and authority within an anarchist organization. The explanation is very simple: the pilots of the Star Fraction all freely agree to observe the rules and organizational structure of the alliance and its corporations. If they wish to leave, they may do so without any prejudice. If they wish to remain in the Star Fraction, they agree to observe its code of conduct, rules of engagement and method of organization. If someone refuse to observe the rules which everyone else lives by, they are asked to leave the organization. Now, he can say that this sort of thing goes on in non-anarchist organizations. Yes, indeed, it may very well. I don't say this is a uniquely anarchist feature but it is certainly necessary in a truly anarchist organization. The caricature view that anarchists don't believe in organization needs to be left to one side. It is not social and political organization we have a difficulty with. It is the imposition of it by violence, the threat of violence or the implied threat of violence that we are opposed to. I think I have explained at ample length the position when it comes to declaring people red so that most people can reasonably make up their minds as to the likelihoods with regards one entity or another. I am inclined to see Merdaneth's confusion as rather synthetic and somewhat mischievous. I will add a note that he must understand that I do not agree with his blanket use of the term 'space-holding entity' as if all such are the same. The term, for one thing, could cover a large variety of entities with radically different outlooks and policies. We don't operate a rote formula where 'space-holding entity' is some kind of checkbox in our diplomatic calculus. I also would draw attention to the fact that we draw a distinction, and I think this should be obvious by our policies and actions but I will make it explicit, between capsuleer entities and political states and organizations controlled by non-capsuleers. We are realists and we note that capsuleer satrapies or gangster regimes in 0.0 consist of a few hundred to a few thousand capsuleers with perhaps a million to a few tens of millions of crew, support staff, slaves or what have you. This is in contrast to the big four empires, and some of lesser states controlled by non-capsuleers, where there are billions upon billions of people, vast navies and the enormous resources of hundreds or thousands of populated worlds, colonized moons, orbital stations and space industrial complexes. Put simply, we don't currently see a really significant consistent threat to the freedoms of the future in the confused and conflicted actions of even the worst capsuleer tyrants of the outer worlds. The situation is not ideal but it is largely held in check by the general unwillingness of outer world capsuleers to see a single overwhelming capsuleer power emerge. The core empires then, with their capacity, still, to take severe action to stymy the development of freedom are a major concern and the use of capsuleer proxies is a particular concern. We have always identified this as an area where we might apply our strength as best we are able. To that end, we have to identify and oppose capsuleer organizations that fight on behalf of the empires. I am sure that this thread will have further updates in that vein as the days go on. The Cosmopolite * Tournaments and arranged duels, etc. are of course another matter but I feel a note on them is necessary because any nit will be picked by some people if they think it benefits them. The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.05 19:02:00 - [41] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 05/05/2009 19:05:05 As of 05/05/ 20:00 hours Star Fraction gives notice of imminent negative standings setting to: 24th Imperial Guard [1PG] Admiral Unie Omicron Resource Technologies Limited [ORTL] Joshua Darkmoor The Miners Paradise [TIMP] Ze CEO Mentally Disabledp [-M-D] CBETA CEMEHOBA Vitiosus Eventus [VITI] Crouchie UK ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.05 21:02:00 - [42] you announce that these corps are now -10, and are free targets of SF in the warzone, but your not actually at war, nor are they free targets, because if they were, then you would attack us freely at gates and stations in our warzone. Everytime I see a SF pilot, i wait and see if you got the balls to actually aggress me, but you dont. All you got is a pile of crap covered words that you spit out in the IGS.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.05 21:13:00 - [43] Originally by: Invelious you announce that these corps are now -10, and are free targets of SF in the warzone, but your not actually at war, nor are they free targets, because if they were, then you would attack us freely at gates and stations in our warzone. Everytime I see a SF pilot, i wait and see if you got the balls to actually aggress me, but you dont. All you got is a pile of crap covered words that you spit out in the IGS. I've yet to see you flying something worth killing that wasn't in dock range of a station. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.05 21:25:00 - [44] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious you announce that these corps are now -10, and are free targets of SF in the warzone, but your not actually at war, nor are they free targets, because if they were, then you would attack us freely at gates and stations in our warzone. Everytime I see a SF pilot, i wait and see if you got the balls to actually aggress me, but you dont. All you got is a pile of crap covered words that you spit out in the IGS. I've yet to see you flying something worth killing that wasn't in dock range of a station. Not worth killing? LOL, your a joke, if you declare hostilities against a specific group or faction, then by that standard you should aggress any ship.
LiuSang Nightingale	Posted - 2009.05.05 23:43:00 - [45] Originally by: Invelious Not worth killing? LOL, your a joke, if you declare hostilities against a specific group or faction, then by that standard you should aggress any ship. Your logic is as poor as your fighting prowess.
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.05.06 00:40:00 - [46] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious you announce that these corps are now -10, and are free targets of SF in the warzone, but your not actually at war, nor are they free targets, because if they were, then you would attack us freely at gates and stations in our warzone. Everytime I see a SF pilot, i wait and see if you got the balls to actually aggress me, but you dont. All you got is a pile of crap covered words that you spit out in the IGS. I've yet to see you flying something worth killing that wasn't in dock range of a station. So far Star Fraction is the one in the docking range of stations with their carrier in kamela. Amarr Militia has open agressive intension against enemies of Amarr empire which can be proven by daily losses of minmatar gangs. And either you stand by your principles and thinks you believe or you will pick your targets as a suicide camper in jita based on worth. Either you engage people you consider as arch enemies or you just tolerate them and get occasional kill. Couse one thing is talking and another to make a stand and fight. Wardeclaring few amarr corporations may sound like doing somethink with killing few undocking people but on other hand to let amarrian roaming fleets kill minmatar gangs is somethink completly different.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.06 03:53:00 - [47] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/05/2009 03:53:41 Originally by: Nur AlHuda So far Star Fraction is the one in the docking range of stations with their carrier in kamela. Amarr Militia has open agressive intension against enemies of Amarr empire which can be proven by daily losses of minmatar gangs. You certainly do skirmish against the Minmatar gangs its true. You do so in light ships in the main that are agile and manouverable but lack the punch required to score significant victories in fleet battles - so the war continues. At this point its not for any Amarrian to criticise engagement methodology of then enemy however. We have witnessed some of the most craven tactics imaginable from your commanders and prefer simply to continue the fight and adapt as circumstances demand. This however is not a discussion for this thread. Please take it to the one I indicated in the op if you wish more substantive rebuttal of your points. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.06 13:00:00 - [48] Originally by: LiuSang Nightingale Originally by: Invelious Not worth killing? LOL, your a joke, if you declare hostilities against a specific group or faction, then by that standard you should aggress any ship. Your logic is as poor as your fighting prowess. Actually the logic is just fine, dont declare hostiles one someone and not act on it. plan and simple.
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.06 19:28:00 - [49] Actually Star Fraction is an NBSI entity. -SF- takes responsibility for its actions and treats diplomacy seriously. The announcement of standing changes is a part of the alliance policy. -10 standing is not a declaration of war, but a declaration that Star Fraction reserves the right to initiate hostilities against the above listed corporations. Plain and simple. Now stop clowning around.
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.06 19:56:00 - [50] Originally by: Tecam Hund Actually Star Fraction is an NBSI entity. -SF- takes responsibility for its actions and treats diplomacy seriously. The announcement of standing changes is a part of the alliance policy. -10 standing is not a declaration of war, but a declaration that Star Fraction reserves the right to initiate hostilities against the above listed corporations. Plain and simple. Now stop clowning around. Mr. Hund, while I'm not a member of Star Fraction, I can tell you with a fair amount of certainty that Star Fraction is not an NBSI entity. Perhaps you should pay better attention in SF PR-training class? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.06 19:59:00 - [51] Idiotic mistake, my apologies. I was away for a year and my abbreviations became mixed up. NRDS it is. Still, I believe you can see what i was trying to say.
Kovid Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.05.06 20:42:00 - [52] How long until someone later quotes Tecam for some twisted debate?
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.06 21:00:00 - [53] Originally by: Tecam Hund Idiotic mistake, my apologies. I was away for a year and my abbreviations became mixed up. NRDS it is. Still, I believe you can see what i was trying to say. Don't worry about it, most things Fractioneers say tend to be at least a little bit 'mixed up'. The mistake has been addressed and corrected, apologies were made, so please continue with the real debate. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.07 13:27:00 - [54] Just wondering, is the gallante militia -10 to SF? or is their government acceptable by SF standards like the minmatar's?
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.07 13:54:00 - [55] Originally by: Invelious Just wondering, is the gallante militia -10 to SF? or is their government acceptable by SF standards like the minmatar's? As previously stated a long time ago the laughing named Federal Defense Union is set -10 by all Star Fraction corporations. As with all other militias the individual capsuleer run corporations within the militia itself are set to negative or positive on a case by case basis. ---
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.07 13:58:00 - [56] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Invelious Just wondering, is the gallante militia -10 to SF? or is their government acceptable by SF standards like the minmatar's? As previously stated a long time ago the laughing named Federal Defense Union is set -10 by all Star Fraction corporations. As with all other militias the individual capsuleer run corporations within the militia itself are set to negative or positive on a case by case basis. But, the other day there was a fleet of gallante, minmatar and SF were "helping" why did you not engage the gallante at that time?
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.07 14:39:00 - [57] Originally by: Invelious But, the other day there was a fleet of gallante, minmatar and SF were "helping" why did you not engage the gallante at that time? You seem to be under the misapprehension that when we, or anyone else for that matter, set another organisation to negative standings they we must, at all times, engage their ships. This is simply not true. It's not a black and white universe out there Inveloius despite what your priesthood tells you. If hostile entity A is fighting with hostile entity B and hostile entity B happens to be the focus of your current campaign why wouldn't you assist hostile entity A? The Amarr militia do it all the time, we do it, pretty much everyone does it. In regards to that specific incident I cannot really say what happened as I am currently concentrating on other matters and am not on the front lines much these days but I would assume that if it happened it happened because of what I just said. ---
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.08 14:36:00 - [58] Omicron Resource Technologies Limited [ORTL] Joshua Darkmoor The Miners Paradise [TIMP] Ze CEO Mentally Disabled [-M-D] CBETA CEMEHOBA Vitiosus Eventus [VITI] Crouchie UK Are now confirmed as -10 targets of opportunity to the Star Fraction. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.20 14:26:00 - [59] As for 16:00 hours 20th May we're putting Helljumpers [ODST] Corp on notice of -10 standings and potential action. This former Caldari Militia corporation has relocated to the Amarrian front and been seen cooperating with both 24th Crusade and CVA operations and unless we receive diplomatic notice of their intention to quit the Amarrian nationalist cause in 24 hours from this point we will be adjusting their standings accordingly. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.20 15:18:00 - [60] Edited by: Invelious on 20/05/2009 15:17:58 Originally by: Jade Constantine As for 16:00 hours 20th May we're putting Helljumpers [ODST] Corp on notice of -10 standings and potential action. This former Caldari Militia corporation has relocated to the Amarrian front and been seen cooperating with both 24th Crusade and CVA operations and unless we receive diplomatic notice of their intention to quit the Amarrian nationalist cause in 24 hours from this point we will be adjusting their standings accordingly. sigh Jader, no one cares about your silly -10. Just set them -10, because we know they wont listen to you. Stop coming on here at sending out this messages. It is a waste. Your going to set them -10 and not attack them, woop de do.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.20 15:27:00 - [61] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/05/2009 15:27:39 As for 16:00 hours 20th May we're putting Helljumpers [ODST] Corp on notice of -10 standings and potential action. This former Caldari Militia corporation has relocated to the Amarrian front and been seen cooperating with both 24th Crusade and CVA operations and unless we receive diplomatic notice of their intention to quit the Amarrian nationalist cause in 24 hours from this point we will be adjusting their standings accordingly. Originally by: Invelious sigh Jader, no one cares about your silly -10. Seems you do. Anyways it isn't about your strange obsession with jumping up and down trying to appear in our sights (isn't going to happen unless you undock in something relevant) - as its been explained several times before this is a diplomatic convention we established at the beginning of the current campaign and it will continue regardless of your opinions on the matter. Have a nice (in the station) day. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:57:00 - [62] Confirming the -10 standings for Helljumpers [ODST] and we've decided to welcome them to the conflict zone with a sanctioned wardec. Hope we see you boys in space tomorrow! ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Rugmo Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.06.14 03:21:00 - [63] How did that go for you all?
Khan Akiro Amarr Cursed Inc	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:49:00 - [64] Edited by: Khan Akiro on 15/06/2009 22:53:11 Judging by the hisec orca km...wardec's from this bunch should be feared...lol by the way how big is the undock at kamela? i needed a measurement and heard u guys were the local experts since u spend so much time there.
Foolish Bob Caldari FireTech	Posted - 2009.06.18 08:23:00 - [65] Originally by: Rugmo How did that go for you all? Hey, did you notice too that they only "cycle wardecs as a matter of standard policy" when they fail to make any traction against their targets - hence Helljumpers and TDRS being the only ones. They'll be saying your corp is completely insignificant to the Amarr milita next
Lord Meriak	Posted - 2009.06.18 17:25:00 - [66] Out of interest, has any 1 looked at the star faction killboard? There top killer has an amazing 12 kills this month. closer followed by the runner up with 11. I cant believe how well you guys our doing on stopping all the amarr from going out and killing and taking plex from the minmater. You guys make such a differance in eve and faction warfare. Oh how the mighty have fallen. from the great northern wars to this. Forum warrior, time to step down; and get new leadership and new direction. Sorry jade star fraction is dying.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.06.18 17:46:00 - [67] Originally by: Lord Meriak Out of interest, has any 1 looked at the star faction killboard? There top killer has an amazing 12 kills this month. closer followed by the runner up with 11. I cant believe how well you guys our doing on stopping all the amarr from going out and killing and taking plex from the minmater. You guys make such a differance in eve and faction warfare. Oh how the mighty have fallen. from the great northern wars to this. Forum warrior, time to step down; and get new leadership and new direction. Sorry jade star fraction is dying. We can't make our enemies undock and fight you know. If the presence of our ships in local is sufficient to make war-targets run and hide and go and find something else to do thats just the way it is. Ultimately we're in a campaign of suppression phase at the moment and such things rarely come with good killboard stats. Fortunately K/D ratio is not our god - we're prepared to do what it takes to crush the morale of our foes up to and including becoming market-sponsering free traders in the dead time left by our fleeing insectile opponents. Tell you what Lord Meriak. We're got a fleet op scheduled for later on this evening. Lets see how many war targets will be out and about moving about their business while we're patrolling - I'm guessing "none outside of a handful of frigate hulls".
Lord Meriak	Posted - 2009.06.18 18:06:00 - [68] Edited by: Lord Meriak on 18/06/2009 18:07:14 Star fraction came to faction warefare to stop the amarr militia. The Amarr do n't run hide or go do other things, they go and do what joined the faction warfare for. Star fraction we dont avoid nor do we seek you. you war deced us. If we in fleet and your out with the mins you get shot. Kamela was bought back to the empire long ago. This forum is full of post of star fration this star fraction that. I am sorry but facts our facts. You cant take it away from us as your not part of the faction war.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.06.18 18:25:00 - [69] Originally by: Lord Meriak Star fraction came to faction warefare to stop the amarr militia. The Amarr do n't run hide or go do other things, they go and do what joined the faction warfare for. Actually we've had quite a few 24th Crusaders declaring in local chats that we've run them out of isk and their going back to empire mission running. We've had other 24th Crusaders telling us they were sick of losing ships to us and they were going to 0.0. We've seen literally hundreds of Crusaders dropping the cause from organizations we've wardecced. Quote: If we in fleet and your out with the mins you get shot. Kamela was bought back to the empire long ago. This forum is full of post of star fration this star fraction that. I am sorry but facts our facts. I've hardly seen 24th Crusaders for the last week when they haven't been running away. The last ship I personally lost to the Crusade was during an action when a handful of SF pilots made three times the number of Crusaders dock up and hide from us in Tuomota (hisec) where they had already fled to avoid the Minmatar. I think that tells its own story. Kamela is denied you. If you don't like that reality then do something about it.
Lord Meriak	Posted - 2009.06.18 19:02:00 - [70] Minmatar had over 2500 players up on the Amarr, we ran them off Your own killboard cant claim to have run the amarr off without even mentioning the minmatar. They probably lost a most ship fighting the minmatar. Faction warfare is a hugh isk sink, Look at the T3 ship's and cap's ship you guys have lost.while you been here. Good job you guy our rich. But we agree to differ, , I think it dieing / died to what it used to be. Why not even join the faction warfare? but then you have to give up Amarr homeworld's.
Secretary Phase	Posted - 2009.06.18 23:44:00 - [71] Edited by: Secretary Phase on 18/06/2009 23:44:41 Originally by: Jade Constantine Kamela is denied you. If you don't like that reality then do something about it. This actually made me understand the ways of the star fraction a lot better - according to ancient earthen habits, anarchists used to fly black flags, so probably, just as Miss Constantine misunderstands the ancient ideas of anarchy and perverts them every day by siding with Minmatar ultra-nationalists, she very likely also didn't comprehend the sarcasm displayed in this widely known piece of ancient human travesty, chosing the "black knight" as her role-model... Best regards Secretary Phase
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.06.19 00:14:00 - [72] You understand nothing dog. Perhaps if you'd been flying with your master this evening you'd understand something more. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Secretary Phase	Posted - 2009.06.19 00:36:00 - [73] Originally by: Jade Constantine Oh, oh, I see, running away then. You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off! Actually, I have no master, but from what I've heard, most of the Amarr Militia roamed around the warzone quite happily and killled Minmatar after your mostly failed engagement - should have bitten their legs off, probably... Best regards Secretary Phase
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.06.19 01:10:00 - [74] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/06/2009 01:10:11 Originally by: Secretary Phase Actually, I have no master, but from what I've heard, most of the Amarr Militia roamed around the warzone quite happily and killled Minmatar after your mostly failed engagement ... I'm glad you Amarrians have a flexible definition of success. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.06.19 12:56:00 - [75] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/06/2009 01:10:11 Originally by: Secretary Phase Actually, I have no master, but from what I've heard, most of the Amarr Militia roamed around the warzone quite happily and killled Minmatar after your mostly failed engagement ... I'm glad you Amarrians have a flexible definition of success. I'm glad you Star Craptians have a breakable definition of success
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.06.19 14:55:00 - [76] Something tells me that sounded much better in your head. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.06.19 21:08:00 - [77] Originally by: Jade Constantine Something tells me that sounded much better in your head. Something tells me you use that sentence way too much because you lack anything significant to say.
BattleStar Crusader Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium	Posted - 2009.06.20 09:47:00 - [78] Gun Loaded, ****ed and BOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!! you got shot down Nice aim Invelious Battlestar has left the building \/\/\/
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.02 21:36:00 - [79] Adding some new warnings of imminent standings change: 7-2-2009 - Cursed Inc. [AID5.] 7-2-2009 - The Imperium of Lazy Nation [LZYN] 7-2-2009 - Burps Burps Burps [BURPS] 7-2-2009 - Skynet. [SKNET] 7-2-2009 - Malevolent Evolution [Dg04] 7-2-2009 - HIVE Intergalactic [HVINT] 7-2-2009 - The Imperial Assassins [IMP A] 7-2-2009 - Zed Unlimited [ZEDU] These 24th Crusade affiliates will be set -10 to the Star Fraction this time tomorrow and after said point we will be free to engage their vessels at times and opportunities of our choosing. As ever the above-named corporations are welcome to open diplomatic negotiations with us if they wish to avoid conflict (note well, this will generally involve them leaving the Amarrian cause.) 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Verx Interis Amarr SkyNet.	Posted - 2009.07.02 22:35:00 - [80] I would simply like to point this out: The Star Fraction has continually listed corporations that it is setting to Hostile standings due to their affiliation with the 24th Imperial Crusade, and not only do many of those corporations remain in the Amarr Militia, but new ones continue to join. Whatever your strategy, it is not working. ---- Logins required for this post: 631816
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.03 01:10:00 - [81] Originally by: Verx Interis I would simply like to point this out: The Star Fraction has continually listed corporations that it is setting to Hostile standings due to their affiliation with the 24th Imperial Crusade, and not only do many of those corporations remain in the Amarr Militia, but new ones continue to join. Whatever your strategy, it is not working. Well in return I would point out that this thread is purely a diplomatic nicety so we can give 24 hours notice to 24th Crusade affiliates prior to setting of hostile standings. It is not a thread to discuss our war strategy with regressive imperialist dogs. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Verx Interis Amarr SkyNet.	Posted - 2009.07.03 05:15:00 - [82] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well in return I would point out that this thread is purely a diplomatic nicety so we can give 24 hours notice to 24th Crusade affiliates prior to setting of hostile standings. It is not a thread to discuss our war strategy with regressive imperialist dogs. That may be so, but your response still failed to counter my point that you have done nothing to significantly affect the Amarr Militia. As for the thread, I already figured Star Fraction was potentially hostile to my corporation's members, so no news here. It was only boredom that led me to this thread in the first place. As for your "policy" of informing people, I would say it's a rather silly policy. Either inform various entities diplomats directly, or don't claim to have the policy. The majority of CEOs will not be as fortunate as I was in locating this thread, and effectively have no warning. ---- Logins required for this post: 31434
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.03 12:14:00 - [83] I would say it's far less about diplomatic niceties and more about Jade's narcissistic need to be the center of attention --------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.03 14:46:00 - [84] Originally by: Verx Interis That may be so, but your response still failed to counter my point that you have done nothing to significantly affect the Amarr Militia. Why does my response need too? I explained to you what the thread is for and its got absolutely nothing to do with discussing our past and continuing impact on the 24th Crusade. If you want to discuss those things go and use a more appropriate thread or post your own. Quote: As for your "policy" of informing people, I would say it's a rather silly policy. Either inform various entities diplomats directly, or don't claim to have the policy. The majority of CEOs will not be as fortunate as I was in locating this thread, and effectively have no warning. Thats your opinion and as you say - corporations joining the 24th Crusade have a fair idea of what they are getting into when they decide to support the cause of a regressive imperialist tyranny up to its waist in the blood of the oppressed. If said corporations cannot be bothered to inform themselves of the implications of their foul choice of allegience then ultimately they have no cause to complain. This thread exists as a public nicety to give an 11th hour opportunity for withdrawal to 24th Crusade affiliates. Its not our intention to bind free-captains in knots of bureacracy to the advantage of our foes. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.03 14:46:00 - [85] Originally by: Jodie Amille I would say it's far less about diplomatic niceties and more about Jade's narcissistic need to be the center of attention But then you would say that wouldn't you 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.07.03 21:16:00 - [86] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Jodie Amille I would say it's far less about diplomatic niceties and more about Jade's narcissistic need to be the center of attention But then you would say that wouldn't you I gotta hand it to you Jader, you got a knack for proving other people right.
Verx Interis Amarr SkyNet.	Posted - 2009.07.04 01:02:00 - [87] Edited by: Verx Interis on 04/07/2009 01:02:19 Originally by: Jade Constantine Thats your opinion and as you say - corporations joining the 24th Crusade have a fair idea of what they are getting into when they decide to support the cause of a regressive imperialist tyranny up to its waist in the blood of the oppressed. If said corporations cannot be bothered to inform themselves of the implications of their foul choice of allegience then ultimately they have no cause to complain. This thread exists as a public nicety to give an 11th hour opportunity for withdrawal to 24th Crusade affiliates. Its not our intention to bind free-captains in knots of bureacracy to the advantage of our foes. Many of the corporations joining Militias, such as SkyNet., don't really care how the "war" turns out. They've inlisted for the sport, and in my case the Amarr Militia was the most convenient option. As for "foul choice of alliegence", that choice is only foul if people carry the same opinion as you. Clearly, many disagree with your ideas. Now, I'm not sure if you got my original message, so I'll reiterate. You cannot call it a "diplomatic nicety" and then claim that if "corporations cannot be bothered to inform themselves.... They have no cause to complain". People always said Star Fraction were hypocrites, but I suppose I have finally seen it with my own eyes. ---- Logins required for this post: 25738
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.04 01:28:00 - [88] Originally by: Verx Interis Many of the corporations joining Militias, such as SkyNet., don't really care how the "war" turns out. They've inlisted for the sport, and in my case the Amarr Militia was the most convenient option. Joining a regressive pro-slavery crusade for "sport" simply marks you as a dog unworthy of respect. Nonetheless you received your 24 hours and now you are a target. Quote: Now, I'm not sure if you got my original message, so I'll reiterate. You cannot call it a "diplomatic nicety" and then claim that if "corporations cannot be bothered to inform themselves.... They have no cause to complain". People always said Star Fraction were hypocrites, but I suppose I have finally seen it with my own eyes. Your opinion is worthless you skinless cur. Wait your turn to die like the rest. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.04 01:38:00 - [89] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/07/2009 01:38:10 Fresh Notifications of imminent negative standing on 24 hour notice. The Amarrian Inquisition [Theai] Atrum Deus Vult [ADV-] 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Verx Interis Amarr SkyNet.	Posted - 2009.07.04 01:43:00 - [90] Originally by: Jade Constantine Your opinion is worthless you skinless cur. Wait your turn to die like the rest. When I see Star Fraction successfully interdicting 24th Imperial Crusade activities, I'll start being scared. Until then... ---- Logins required for this post: 290152
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.04 01:54:00 - [91] Originally by: Verx Interis When I see Star Fraction successfully interdicting 24th Imperial Crusade activities, I'll start being scared. Until then... Good, then we're agreed. Less gutless rhetoric about objectives and enemies war plans and more fighting in space. See you out there. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Scarr Face Minmatar Cursed Inc	Posted - 2009.07.04 02:49:00 - [92] Edited by: Scarr Face on 04/07/2009 02:49:35 Originally by: Jade Constantine Adding some new warnings of imminent standings change: 7-2-2009 - Cursed Inc. [AID5.] These 24th Crusade affiliates will be set -10 to the Star Fraction this time tomorrow and after said point we will be free to engage their vessels at times and opportunities of our choosing. As ever the above-named corporations are welcome to open diplomatic negotiations with us if they wish to avoid conflict (note well, this will generally involve them leaving the Amarrian cause. Wow it took u that long to set us -10? gettin a bit slow are we or u doin more prep work to win back to back 'biggest fgt in eve' awards on kug..not that any prep is necessary
Verx Interis Amarr SkyNet.	Posted - 2009.07.04 02:52:00 - [93] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Verx Interis When I see Star Fraction successfully interdicting 24th Imperial Crusade activities, I'll start being scared. Until then... Good, then we're agreed. Less gutless rhetoric about objectives and enemies war plans and more fighting in space. See you out there. I've been out there, don't know if you guys know what its like to not be in dock range. It's scary at first, but you get used to it. ---- Logins required for this post: 622132
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.05 07:08:00 - [94] Originally by: Jade Constantine Less gutless rhetoric about objectives and enemies war plans That right there is pretty priceless. It's like you're mocking yourself. Also, what's with all the "dog" comments. Do you have a canine fetish or something? You may want to see a psychologist about that, along with all your other mental disabilities. --------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.05 08:07:00 - [95] Originally by: Jodie Amille Originally by: Jade Constantine Less gutless rhetoric about objectives and enemies war plans That right there is pretty priceless. It's like you're mocking yourself. Also, what's with all the "dog" comments. Do you have a canine fetish or something? You may want to see a psychologist about that, along with all your other mental disabilities. You have been a bitter little fruit since we drove your corporation to an inglorious exile on the caldari front. I guess it hurt your pride quite a lot. Still, you know where to find us if you want a rematch. Less amateur psychologist more fighting in space. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
BattleStar Crusader Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium	Posted - 2009.07.05 08:59:00 - [96] She has no Kanine fetish, she just insults and tries to belitle those that she cannot win the argument against. If you look back over every single forum argument starfraction have made, any time that a nuetral or enemy has made a valid point that jade can't reply to, they get called a list of names. There hasnt been a new insult in a while. Maybe jade is loosing her touch.
Scarr Face Minmatar Cursed Inc	Posted - 2009.07.05 12:13:00 - [97] Originally by: Jade Constantine Still, you know where to find us if you want a rematch. that mean we're waiting for the 'walking in stations' installment before this happens?
Temugen Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.05 12:45:00 - [98] Originally by: Scarr Face Originally by: Jade Constantine Still, you know where to find us if you want a rematch. that mean we're waiting for the 'walking in stations' installment before this happens? No, it means we're waiting on you to do something besides warp off everytime one of us shows up in your current system. I'm actually leaving SF today because I tried to get any red to fight me and no one would even try. I sat at the gate, I sat at the station, I sat in belts, etc., and nothing. Just reds warping off (running). I finally suicided my curse at a gate just to have something to shoot. So since all you amarr and caldari run. I'm going to find someone else to shoot. BTW..I thought your god created men ....not chickens?? Or was it both and amarr just got all the feathers?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.05 14:16:00 - [99] Originally by: Scarr Face Originally by: Jade Constantine Still, you know where to find us if you want a rematch. that mean we're waiting for the 'walking in stations' installment before this happens? I don't see "gunship diplomacy" tag under your posting name. Does this mean you read about as well as you fight? 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.05 14:21:00 - [100] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 05/07/2009 14:21:55 Originally by: BattleStar Crusader She has no Kanine fetish, she just insults and tries to belitle those that she cannot win the argument against. If you look back over every single forum argument starfraction have made, any time that a nuetral or enemy has made a valid point that jade can't reply to, they get called a list of names. There hasnt been a new insult in a while. Maybe jade is loosing her touch. Sounds like you are getting a little bitter there too Battlestar? Things not going quite to your taste recently? And to your point - enemies generally don't make valid points. They make cowardly evasions and off-topic nonsense that has no place in this thread. Hence they get mocked in no uncertain terms your own post being an example of the tripe we generally see from the 24 Crusade identities. Come and rattle your rusty sabre in the war announcement and discussion thread if you wish. This current thread is for standings notifications not for your gutless blithering and excuses for not fighting. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
JD Myers Gallente Taiidan Syndicate	Posted - 2009.07.05 19:13:00 - [101] Originally by: Temugen Originally by: Scarr Face Originally by: Jade Constantine Still, you know where to find us if you want a rematch. that mean we're waiting for the 'walking in stations' installment before this happens? No, it means we're waiting on you to do something besides warp off everytime one of us shows up in your current system. I'm actually leaving SF today because I tried to get any red to fight me and no one would even try. I sat at the gate, I sat at the station, I sat in belts, etc., and nothing. Just reds warping off (running). I finally suicided my curse at a gate just to have something to shoot. So since all you amarr and caldari run. I'm going to find someone else to shoot. BTW..I thought your god created men ....not chickens?? Or was it both and amarr just got all the feathers? join the minmatar, record your losses officially, as you will need the practice. You see it from a different point of view. You think the Amarr run, but i think fighting 2 commandships on a station with a carrier next to them to be a pointless task. So you warp off and go and find something you atleast stand a chance against.
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.05 21:29:00 - [102] Originally by: BattleStar Crusader She has no Kanine fetish, she just insults and tries to belitle those that she cannot win the argument against. If you look back over every single forum argument starfraction have made, any time that a nuetral or enemy has made a valid point that jade can't reply to, they get called a list of names. There hasnt been a new insult in a while. Maybe jade is loosing her touch. Ms. Constantine has answered this question herself: Originally by: Jade Constantine The weak will always slander the strong. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
BattleStar Crusader Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium	Posted - 2009.07.06 16:32:00 - [103] Precisiley Jade "enemie don't make valid points" so by your own terminology YOU don't make valid points. No bitterness jade, im enjoying the war dec as it doesnt bother us ;)
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.06 17:06:00 - [104] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/07/2009 17:12:41 Originally by: BattleStar Crusader Precisiley Jade "enemie don't make valid points" so by your own terminology YOU don't make valid points. No, just enemies. See I think where you (and most other 24th Crusaders) go wrong is expecting the people you are fighting to sympathise with you and understand your "issues". Typically we don't. When you (or people like you) come to this thread to endlessly rattle your nonsense about objectives and k/d ratios and how this or that plan isn't working blah blah blah. I don't hear people making valid points. I hear creatures making excuses and desperately trying to bolster their own flagging confidnence in the vain hope that words alone can make their foes disappear. They can't. Such is life. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jackman2232	Posted - 2009.07.06 22:23:00 - [105] Wait here's a thought why not just join the mimitards n get it over with? HAHAHA to ur post we'll never QUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.07 01:33:00 - [106] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Jodie Amille Originally by: Jade Constantine Less gutless rhetoric about objectives and enemies war plans That right there is pretty priceless. It's like you're mocking yourself. Also, what's with all the "dog" comments. Do you have a canine fetish or something? You may want to see a psychologist about that, along with all your other mental disabilities. You have been a bitter little fruit since we drove your corporation to an inglorious exile on the caldari front. I guess it hurt your pride quite a lot. Still, you know where to find us if you want a rematch. Less amateur psychologist more fighting in space. So do you. If you want to wardec then go ahead. As you can see my pride is quite intact. Yours on the other hand, must be faltering, judging by the way you keep telling yourself you were the reason we went to the caldari front. After the dec had been dropped for over a week. Oh yes Jade, we are pathetic. We're the highest performing Amarr corp in factional warfare. Our killboards boast far more kills than your entire alliance can muster. We do it while fighting heavily outnumbered, without using any meatshields(unlike the glorious Star Fraction). Yes indeedy, we're quite sad and pathetic. Please stop the pain, Jade. We can't bear it any more. --------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.07 03:07:00 - [107] Originally by: Jodie Amille As you can see my pride is quite intact. Yours on the other hand, must be faltering, judging by the way you keep telling yourself you were the reason we went to the caldari front. After the dec had been dropped for over a week. Hardly Jodie. The fact you keep clinging to the same old desperate justifications while quivering in your stations terrified of the very notion of wardeccing The Star Fraction tells me everything I need to know about your craven heart. You were tried, you were measured and found wanting. Defeated and humiliated you slipped away from the 24th Crusade to return only when our sights were set on other targets. If you want to recover your pride you must fight for it. Rattling empty excuses on the IGS just won't cut it. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.07 03:11:00 - [108] New 24th Crusade Corporations on 24 hour notice of -10 Standings Thor's Schwerter [T-3-S] Red Skull Terror [RSTER] Espiritu Santo [FIR3.] R.EVE.olution [R.EVE] 22ND Myridian Strip Defensive Unit [222ND] Fake Corp Inc [-FCI-] Canadian Shock Troopers [-CST-] Evercon [EVCON] Trail of Tears [Q.Q] 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.07 11:01:00 - [109] Originally by: Jade Constantine When you (or people like you) come to this thread to endlessly rattle your nonsense about objectives and k/d ratios and how this or that plan isn't working blah blah blah. Ahem... Originally by: The Cosmopolite ...the Star Fraction explicitly places this campaign in the context of the Amarr-Minmatar conflict and will judge our effectiveness by developments in that conflict, where we can fairly be said to have played a role, which are contrary to the interests of the Amarrian Empire, the 24th Imperial Crusade and loyalist capsuleers taking part in the conflict. The normal and accepted means of judging the course of the militia conflicts include the occupation status of systems and accumulated battle statistics, and we shall give these their due weight in making our assessments.
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.07 11:57:00 - [110] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Jodie Amille As you can see my pride is quite intact. Yours on the other hand, must be faltering, judging by the way you keep telling yourself you were the reason we went to the caldari front. After the dec had been dropped for over a week. Hardly Jodie. The fact you keep clinging to the same old desperate justifications while quivering in your stations terrified of the very notion of wardeccing The Star Fraction tells me everything I need to know about your craven heart. You were tried, you were measured and found wanting. Defeated and humiliated you slipped away from the 24th Crusade to return only when our sights were set on other targets. If you want to recover your pride you must fight for it. Rattling empty excuses on the IGS just won't cut it. Originally by: Jade Constantine I don't hear you making valid points. I hear creatures making excuses and desperately trying to bolster their own flagging confidence in the vain hope that words alone can make their foes disappear. You say it so much better than I, Jade. Indeed, we rack up kills by quivering in our station. Yes indeed. You see, we don't have to recover our pride. Our pride lies in the fact that according to IC itself and independant sources we are the topmost performing Amarrian corp in factional warfare. That you refuse to dec us again is quite telling. --------
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:22:00 - [111] Originally by: Jodie Amille Indeed, we rack up kills by quivering in our station. Yes indeed. According to your database you've done nothing for the past 2 days. Before that, it was a whole 2 ships destroyed. Wow yea, really racking them up there mate.
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.07 14:33:00 - [112] Edited by: Jodie Amille on 07/07/2009 14:36:04 Originally by: ChipMo Originally by: Jodie Amille Indeed, we rack up kills by quivering in our station. Yes indeed. According to your database you've done nothing for the past 2 days. Before that, it was a whole 2 ships destroyed. Wow yea, really racking them up there mate. Say again? I'm not sure exactly what you're looking at but I'll provide you some links to better inform yourself: Our Corporate Records IC Records for Factional Warfare Edit: Oh I think I see the error. You confused me saying our corp is racking up kills and thinking I said that I have been personally. A common mistake for those that are unable to comprehend basic language. --------
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.07 14:37:00 - [113] Edited by: ChipMo on 07/07/2009 14:37:25 Originally by: Jodie Amille Say again? I'm not sure exactly what you're looking at but I'll provide you some links to better inform yourself: Our Corporate Records IC Records for Factional Warfare I was looking at this: http://gdip.evekb.co.uk/
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.07 14:48:00 - [114] I wasn't even aware that one still worked Our new records are far more accurate(check previous post) --------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.07 18:34:00 - [115] Originally by: Jodie Amille You see, we don't have to recover our pride. Our pride lies in the fact that according to IC itself and independant sources we are the topmost performing Amarrian corp in factional warfare. Statistics gained (from a quick scan of your public kill record) mainly from single interceptor participation in other people's gangs. Doesn't take much to rack up the "kills" when epicly bnc'ing on other people's work. Your corporation is a joke Jodie. Weaker than you were when we trounced you out of the Amarrian cause the first time. Quote: That you refuse to dec us again is quite telling. We crushed you into the ground the first time around and you haven't recovered. What would be the point of wasting good isk watching you dock up from any serious ships and flit around in interceptors? If you find my assessment of your militiary capability is flawed its up to you to demonstrate my error in space. You lost the first war handily and fled the field of battle. If you want your "pride" back you'll have to work to get it. To me you are just a fallen fascist blowhard with a penchant for cowardice and turning your coats when the going gets tough. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:17:00 - [116] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/07/2009 19:26:47 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/07/2009 19:22:02 Originally by: ChipMo Originally by: Jodie Amille Indeed, we rack up kills by quivering in our station. Yes indeed. According to your database you've done nothing for the past 2 days. Before that, it was a whole 2 ships destroyed. Wow yea, really racking them up there mate. That's odd, because when I checked their database I saw a wealth of kills over the last couple of days, and the official IC statistics page lists them as having inflicted a hundred and seventy-five final blows over the last week - that's the second highest of any militia corporation on any side. I can also confirm that GDIP were a major contributor to Amarrian forces at the Battle of Taff Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:33:00 - [117] Originally by: Rodj Blake I can also confirm that GDIP were a major contributor to Amarrian forces at the Battle of Taff Probably not as major as the Northern Coalition though eh? 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:36:00 - [118] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Jodie Amille You see, we don't have to recover our pride. Our pride lies in the fact that according to IC itself and independant sources we are the topmost performing Amarrian corp in factional warfare. Statistics gained (from a quick scan of your public kill record) mainly from single interceptor participation in other people's gangs. Doesn't take much to rack up the "kills" when epicly bnc'ing on other people's work. Your corporation is a joke Jodie. Weaker than you were when we trounced you out of the Amarrian cause the first time. I was really, really, really hoping you were going to make some rediculous comment like that, Jade. Looking back through our alliance's records, it seems the majority of your "achievements" during the same time period are under the same circumstances. Going back even further I see lots of days with only one or two kills all day. Can we be a joke together, Jade? It could be quite sexy and fun. --------
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:38:00 - [119] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I can also confirm that GDIP were a major contributor to Amarrian forces at the Battle of Taff Probably not as major as the Northern Coalition though eh? NC managed to destroy an Amarrian dreadnought last night, which is more than the Minmatar militia managed. NC were there for their own reasons, not to help Amarr. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:40:00 - [120] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I can also confirm that GDIP were a major contributor to Amarrian forces at the Battle of Taff Probably not as major as the Northern Coalition though eh? NC managed to destroy an Amarrian dreadnought last night, which is more than the Minmatar militia managed. NC were there for their own reasons, not to help Amarr. You cited gunship as major contributors - I merely point out that since the POS was destroyed by the NC rather than the Amarrians it couldn't have been that major. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:41:00 - [121] Originally by: Jodie Amille I was really, really, really hoping you were going to make some rediculous comment like that, Jade. Learn to spell ridiculous first. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:42:00 - [122] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/07/2009 19:42:26 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I can also confirm that GDIP were a major contributor to Amarrian forces at the Battle of Taff Probably not as major as the Northern Coalition though eh? NC managed to destroy an Amarrian dreadnought last night, which is more than the Minmatar militia managed. NC were there for their own reasons, not to help Amarr. You cited gunship as major contributors - I merely point out that since the POS was destroyed by the NC rather than the Amarrians it couldn't have been that major. I said that they were a major contributor to Amarrian forces, and I stand by that. Let's put it this way - they had a larger impact on events than SF. Although now that I think about it, that's not saying much. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:46:00 - [123] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/07/2009 19:46:40 Originally by: Rodj Blake Let's put it this way - they had a larger impact on events than SF. Although now that I think about it, that's not saying much. I disagree actually. We assassinated a leading FC in the Amarrian militia with a bravura stealth bomber hotdrop as his group fled the scene. Gunship (like the 24th Crusade) did nothing except watch NC destroy a POS and get killed in the crossfire. I actually saw your Carrier in space though Rodj - shortly before you ran like the dinner's chicken from the Minmatar at the POS prior to the NC drop of course. I also saw the 24th Crusade Revelation burning under fire from the NC forces at the POS and considered putting the boot in but it seemed a little redundant. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:49:00 - [124] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Jodie Amille I was really, really, really hoping you were going to make some rediculous comment like that, Jade. Learn to spell ridiculous first. Touched a nerve there did I? No comeback so comment on a typographical error. I find it humorous that for all your talk, I personally have nearly 1/5th of the kills of your entire alliance. And I've only been engaged in combat versus other pod pilots for less than a year. --------
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:49:00 - [125] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/07/2009 19:46:40 Originally by: Rodj Blake Let's put it this way - they had a larger impact on events than SF. Although now that I think about it, that's not saying much. I disagree actually. We assassinated a leading FC in the Amarrian militia with a bravura stealth bomber hotdrop as his group fled the scene. Gunship (like the 24th Crusade) did nothing except watch NC destroy a POS and get killed in the crossfire. I actually saw your Carrier in space though Rodj - shortly before you ran like the dinner's chicken from the Minmatar at the POS prior to the NC drop of course. I also saw the 24th Crusade Revelation burning under fire from the NC forces at the POS and considered putting the boot in but it seemed a little redundant. How does one run like a dinner's chicken? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:50:00 - [126] Originally by: Jodie Amille Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Jodie Amille I was really, really, really hoping you were going to make some rediculous comment like that, Jade. Learn to spell ridiculous first. Touched a nerve there did I? Hardly I just find idiocy a little bit offensive. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:51:00 - [127] Originally by: Rodj Blake How does one run like a dinner's chicken? Coming from an Amarrian I imagine thats an entirely rhetorical question right? 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:53:00 - [128] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake How does one run like a dinner's chicken? Coming from an Amarrian I imagine thats an entirely rhetorical question right? No, it's an expression I've never heard before. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.07 20:00:00 - [129] Originally by: Jodie Amille I find it humorous that for all your talk, I personally have nearly 1/5th of the kills of your entire alliance. And I've only been engaged in combat versus other pod pilots for less than a year. That is simply a function of your choice to fly in an NBSI corp with a lax ROE and in affiliation with an Empire Militia my dear Jodie. As you may or may not realise we don't go around shooting anyone who's paths we cross unlike your pilots. One of the many differences between your organisation and ours. ---
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.07 20:29:00 - [130] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Jodie Amille I find it humorous that for all your talk, I personally have nearly 1/5th of the kills of your entire alliance. And I've only been engaged in combat versus other pod pilots for less than a year. That is simply a function of your choice to fly in an NBSI corp with a lax ROE and in affiliation with an Empire Militia my dear Jodie. As you may or may not realise we don't go around shooting anyone who's paths we cross unlike your pilots. One of the many differences between your organisation and ours. So now we're not quivering in our station? Yay --------
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.07 20:29:00 - [131] Edited by: Jodie Amille on 07/07/2009 20:29:39 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Jodie Amille Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Jodie Amille I was really, really, really hoping you were going to make some rediculous comment like that, Jade. Learn to spell ridiculous first. Touched a nerve there did I? Hardly I just find idiocy a little bit offensive. A little bit of self hatred going on then, Jade? --------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.08 15:26:00 - [132] Originally by: Jodie Amille Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Jodie Amille I find it humorous that for all your talk, I personally have nearly 1/5th of the kills of your entire alliance. And I've only been engaged in combat versus other pod pilots for less than a year. That is simply a function of your choice to fly in an NBSI corp with a lax ROE and in affiliation with an Empire Militia my dear Jodie. As you may or may not realise we don't go around shooting anyone who's paths we cross unlike your pilots. One of the many differences between your organisation and ours. So now we're not quivering in our station? Yay Well we're not decced against you at the moment. Last time we were you were suppressed round the clock and barely dared to leave the docking range of Kamela station. Still you learned your lesson it seems and even though we're largely ignoring your diminished forces since the return from the Caldari exile its not escaped our notice that you abandoned the Kamela base pretty sharpish Any which way, not sure 200m isk is a fair price for making you dock up and run again. Its not like you are having much impact any more. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.08 15:58:00 - [133] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Jodie Amille Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Jodie Amille I find it humorous that for all your talk, I personally have nearly 1/5th of the kills of your entire alliance. And I've only been engaged in combat versus other pod pilots for less than a year. That is simply a function of your choice to fly in an NBSI corp with a lax ROE and in affiliation with an Empire Militia my dear Jodie. As you may or may not realise we don't go around shooting anyone who's paths we cross unlike your pilots. One of the many differences between your organisation and ours. So now we're not quivering in our station? Yay Well we're not decced against you at the moment. Last time we were you were suppressed round the clock and barely dared to leave the docking range of Kamela station. Still you learned your lesson it seems and even though we're largely ignoring your diminished forces since the return from the Caldari exile its not escaped our notice that you abandoned the Kamela base pretty sharpish Any which way, not sure 200m isk is a fair price for making you dock up and run again. Its not like you are having much impact any more. Yes, we're pretty horrible. I wish we could be more like the top-most performing amarrian corp. --------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.08 16:11:00 - [134] Originally by: Jodie Amille Yes, we're pretty horrible. I wish we could be more like the top-most performing amarrian corp. I imagine if you were that happy about your performance you wouldn't feel so inclined to endlessly stalk this thread with off topic whining. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.08 16:21:00 - [135] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Jodie Amille Yes, we're pretty horrible. I wish we could be more like the top-most performing amarrian corp. I imagine if you were that happy about your performance you wouldn't feel so inclined to endlessly stalk this thread with off topic whining. I would imagine if you were happy with your performance, you wouldn't feel the need to reply. --------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.08 16:30:00 - [136] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 08/07/2009 16:29:47 Originally by: Jodie Amille I would imagine if you were happy with your performance, you wouldn't feel the need to reply. Its my thread, its good you keep bumping it! Keeps the important message in the op in the full view of those that need to be informed. You do a valuable service Jodie. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Nathaniel Derooy Lyonesse.	Posted - 2009.07.08 16:41:00 - [137] Edited by: Nathaniel Derooy on 08/07/2009 16:41:05 Originally by: Jade Constantine Its my thread, its good you keep bumping it! Keeps the important message in the op in the full view of those that need to be informed. You do a valuable service Jodie. [/quote For the seldom moment I agree with Miss Constantwhine yet probably from a different angle.
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.08 17:06:00 - [138] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 08/07/2009 16:29:47 Originally by: Jodie Amille I would imagine if you were happy with your performance, you wouldn't feel the need to reply. Its my thread, its good you keep bumping it! Keeps the important message in the op in the full view of those that need to be informed. You do a valuable service Jodie. I couldn't agree more! Though I think the following pages are more telling than the op is --------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.08 20:52:00 - [139] New Standings Updates: 22nd Myridian Strip Defensive Unit - [222ND] Unitone - [UNT1] 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.07.08 22:17:00 - [140] Originally by: Jade Constantine New Standings Updates: 22nd Myridian Strip Defensive Unit - [222ND] Unitone - [UNT1] YAY more reds you wont shoot. AWESOME. Your the best Jadder.
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.09 13:57:00 - [141] Originally by: Invelious YAY more reds you wont shoot. AWESOME. You try too hard, mental pygmy.
Aphoxakhan Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.09 14:46:00 - [142] Boiling blood signing the warning of attention, deprived of benefit, turned blue. We have sought the company of zombies and now we shall have the taste of brains. -------------------------------------------------------------- http://podlogs.com/aphoxakhan/
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.07.10 03:42:00 - [143] Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Invelious YAY more reds you wont shoot. AWESOME. You try too hard, mental pygmy. Prehaps if SF tried a bit harder then you would actually succeed in whatever it is your trying to achieve. Simply setting everyone red and announcing it to the eve-verse will not be enough. OH, P.S. we took siseide today
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.10 13:47:00 - [144] Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Invelious YAY more reds you wont shoot. AWESOME. You try too hard, mental pygmy. It doesn't take too much effort to point out something so glaringly obvious. Go kill a ship a day about it. --------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.10 18:11:00 - [145] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/07/2009 18:11:32 Originally by: Invelious OH, P.S. we took siseide today I know. Perhaps you could learn to discuss events in their appropriate threads. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.07.12 18:55:00 - [146] Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Jade Constantine New Standings Updates: 22nd Myridian Strip Defensive Unit - [222ND] Unitone - [UNT1] YAY more reds you wont shoot. AWESOME. Your the best Jadder. looks at how many ships he has lost to Jericho Fraction over the last half decade in good old fashioned slobber knockers and thinks "smack is good but it should have SOME truth"
Grim Asse	Posted - 2009.07.12 20:30:00 - [147] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 12/07/2009 19:47:42 Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Jade Constantine New Standings Updates: 22nd Myridian Strip Defensive Unit - [222ND] Unitone - [UNT1] YAY more reds you wont shoot. AWESOME. Your the best Jadder. looks at how many ships he has lost to Jericho Fraction over the last half decade in good old fashioned slobber knockers and thinks "smack is good but it should have SOME truth" opens spy report on the noted radical let see here, "Pilot details for the last 224 days - Jade Constantine in Corporation: Jericho Fraction in the Alliance: The Star Fraction. noted for Kills: 816 and Real kills: 715 and only Losses: 78 which can be calculated at Damage done (ISK): 79.56B and Damage received (ISK): 5.73B which gives us Chance of enemy survival: 9.84% and Pilot Efficiency (ISK): 93.28%" Nuts?
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2009.07.12 20:51:00 - [148] yes well none of them are 100% accurate, damn Botham spies and their imperfect data thievery!
Zanco Ceal Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.13 22:18:00 - [149] You PR statements are a joy to read. The process of taking part or witnessing something myself within the bleak lands and then reading SF claims with that trusty spin your organization puts on it has yet to bore me.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.13 23:56:00 - [150] Originally by: Grim Asse Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 12/07/2009 19:47:42 Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Jade Constantine New Standings Updates: 22nd Myridian Strip Defensive Unit - [222ND] Unitone - [UNT1] YAY more reds you wont shoot. AWESOME. Your the best Jadder. looks at how many ships he has lost to Jericho Fraction over the last half decade in good old fashioned slobber knockers and thinks "smack is good but it should have SOME truth" opens spy report on the noted radical let see here, "Pilot details for the last 224 days - Jade Constantine in Corporation: Jericho Fraction in the Alliance: The Star Fraction. noted for Kills: 816 and Real kills: 715 and only Losses: 78 which can be calculated at Damage done (ISK): 79.56B and Damage received (ISK): 5.73B which gives us Chance of enemy survival: 9.84% and Pilot Efficiency (ISK): 93.28%" Nuts? Lucky my combat record is infinitely better than yours then Grim Asse? (or at least the combat record associated with your posting identity since you are too much of a coward to tell the IGS who or what you represent with your posting. One can only assume because you are utterly ashamed of something). 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.16 00:00:00 - [151] Giving notice of -10 standing change for: Venkee Unlimited [VENK] 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.07.16 14:53:00 - [152] Originally by: Jade Constantine Giving notice of -10 standing change for: Venkee Unlimited [VENK] o/\o HIGH FIVE! to Venkee Unlimited, welcome to the club guys. Not sure if you know this but red is the new blue. See now that SF set you red, you dont have to worry about them attacking you. This is how it works. SF sets your red because they dont like you. But wont put themselves in a position to attack you either because it puts them in a position to loose also. So they will sit there hugging stations all day. They will attack war targets, but only if the situation allows it(not very often) because they know us "reds" will blow them out of space if they show their face past a station to kill a wartarget. All in all being red to SF is just as good, if not better than being neutral or blue. Love you Jadder, your the best EVER!. Invelious Agent to the Empire.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.16 15:08:00 - [153] Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Jade Constantine Giving notice of -10 standing change for: Venkee Unlimited [VENK] o/\o HIGH FIVE! to Venkee Unlimited, welcome to the club guys. Not sure if you know this but red is the new blue. See now that SF set you red, you dont have to worry about them attacking you. This is how it works. SF sets your red because they dont like you. But wont put themselves in a position to attack you either because it puts them in a position to loose also. So they will sit there hugging stations all day. They will attack war targets, but only if the situation allows it(not very often) because they know us "reds" will blow them out of space if they show their face past a station to kill a wartarget. All in all being red to SF is just as good, if not better than being neutral or blue. Love you Jadder, your the best EVER!. Invelious Agent to the Empire. Keep spouting this rubbish to your militia mates Invelious. Its very helpful to our operations 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.07.16 15:26:00 - [154] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Jade Constantine Giving notice of -10 standing change for: Venkee Unlimited [VENK] o/\o HIGH FIVE! to Venkee Unlimited, welcome to the club guys. Not sure if you know this but red is the new blue. See now that SF set you red, you dont have to worry about them attacking you. This is how it works. SF sets your red because they dont like you. But wont put themselves in a position to attack you either because it puts them in a position to loose also. So they will sit there hugging stations all day. They will attack war targets, but only if the situation allows it(not very often) because they know us "reds" will blow them out of space if they show their face past a station to kill a wartarget. All in all being red to SF is just as good, if not better than being neutral or blue. Love you Jadder, your the best EVER!. Invelious Agent to the Empire. Keep spouting this rubbish to your militia mates Invelious. Its very helpful to our operations Operations? OH, right. Station sanitation. I forgot you guys were still there in the 24IC cleaning the place.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.16 15:29:00 - [155] Originally by: Invelious Operations? OH, right. Station sanitation. I forgot you guys were still there in the 24IC cleaning the place. You are a very amusing little jester Invelious - never stop! 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.07.16 23:31:00 - [156] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious Operations? OH, right. Station sanitation. I forgot you guys were still there in the 24IC cleaning the place. You are a very amusing little jester Invelious - never stop! For you Jader, I never will.
Grim Asse	Posted - 2009.07.17 20:38:00 - [157] Originally by: Jade Constantine One can only assume because you are utterly ashamed of something Yes - talking to you
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.17 23:03:00 - [158] Originally by: Grim Asse Originally by: Jade Constantine One can only assume because you are utterly ashamed of something Yes - talking to you You should be ashamed - cowards and dogs have no business addressing warriors from behind the mask of anonymity. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
lucifers widow	Posted - 2009.07.18 08:51:00 - [159] Originally by: Jade Constantine You should be ashamed - cowards and dogs have no business addressing warriors from behind the mask of anonymity. Actually pretty sure he was talking to you.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.18 14:43:00 - [160] Originally by: lucifers widow ...Actually pretty sure he was talking to you. No he was expressing his shame at a near-clinical lack of backbone that caused him to post on a thread with a hidden identity. Anyway shouldn't you be working at the tinfoil mines? 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.23 04:50:00 - [161] New Amarrian corps on 24 hour warning: Vault - Tek Imperial Syndicate Forces Unit0ne - [UNT1] 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.07.23 15:55:00 - [162] Originally by: Jade Constantine New Amarrian corps on 24 hour warning: Vault - Tek Imperial Syndicate Forces Unit0ne - [UNT1]
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.26 03:17:00 - [163] Latest 24th Crusade Corporations on notice of hostile standings from the Star Fraction: 7-25-2009 NOIR. [NOIR] 7-25-2009 H.O.T. Corp [H.O.T] 7-25-2009 Space Prowlers [SPPR] 7-25-2009 Satanic Nu Nu [.GTFO] 7-25-2009 Black Skull Squadron [43TSW] 7-25-2009 Unlimited Science and Industry Federarion [USIF] 7-25-2009 Miners and Merchants [MI-ME] 7-25-2009 Eastern Bleak Reconnaissance and Support [EBRS] 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Bashiri Espiritu Santo	Posted - 2009.07.27 02:05:00 - [164] Is this a joke i've never got a warning before when i was in fw.
Zanco Ceal Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.07.27 18:21:00 - [165] Originally by: Bashiri Is this a joke i've never got a warning before when i was in fw. NO. this is serious business
Al'Gouhti Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.28 09:11:00 - [166] Originally by: Bashiri Is this a joke i've never got a warning before when i was in fw. considered the possibility that your corp already was set to -10?
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.07.28 14:12:00 - [167] Originally by: Al'Gouhti Originally by: Bashiri Is this a joke i've never got a warning before when i was in fw. considered the possibility that your corp already was set to -10? Can you set me to -10? My corp is already there, but I want to personally be there on your -10 list.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.28 15:12:00 - [168] Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Al'Gouhti Originally by: Bashiri Is this a joke i've never got a warning before when i was in fw. considered the possibility that your corp already was set to -10? Can you set me to -10? My corp is already there, but I want to personally be there on your -10 list. You would have to jump into a starter corp and fly a logistics cruiser in support the 24th Crusade from the safety of an unwardecable organization to earn that accolade. (like several of your allies have). 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Annu Minmatar Satanic Nu Nu	Posted - 2009.07.30 15:01:00 - [169] Originally by: Jade Constantine Latest 24th Crusade Corporations on notice of hostile standings from the Star Fraction: 7-25-2009 Satanic Nu Nu [.GTFO] Make it Mutual :)
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.05 22:54:00 - [170] Fresh notice of -10 standings to 24th Crusade supporting corporations: Digital Fury Corporation [D-F-C] Superscript [CPLAY] The Fallen Brotherhood [FALB] Zero Bits [-NUL-] 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.05 23:03:00 - [171] Originally by: Jade Constantine Fresh notice of -10 standings to 24th Crusade supporting corporations: Digital Fury Corporation [D-F-C] Superscript [CPLAY] The Fallen Brotherhood [FALB] Zero Bits [-NUL-] Takes notes on the new -10's.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.06 00:58:00 - [172] Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Jade Constantine Fresh notice of -10 standings to 24th Crusade supporting corporations: Digital Fury Corporation [D-F-C] Superscript [CPLAY] The Fallen Brotherhood [FALB] Zero Bits [-NUL-] Takes notes on the new -10's. Make sure you pass those notes to GARRY 1... 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.06 13:24:00 - [173] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Jade Constantine Fresh notice of -10 standings to 24th Crusade supporting corporations: Digital Fury Corporation [D-F-C] Superscript [CPLAY] The Fallen Brotherhood [FALB] Zero Bits [-NUL-] Takes notes on the new -10's. Make sure you pass those notes to GARRY 1... Already done.
Jareth Desiato Caldari NoD Imperium	Posted - 2009.08.06 21:09:00 - [174] Ms Constantine, Please contact me at your earliest convenience. I believe we can come to a...mutually beneficial relationship. Sincerely, J. Desiato Politacal officer Caldari State Protectorate "The State is Mother. The State is Father."
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.08.07 11:24:00 - [175] Mr. Desiato. I hope you, as lower ranked member of State Protectorate, understand that Star Fraction has always been hostile to Caldari interests in New Eden. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.08.07 11:33:00 - [176] In a surprise turn of events: Good luck SF in your efforts against the Amarr --------
Jareth Desiato Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.07 13:12:00 - [177] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Mr. Desiato. I hope you, as lower ranked member of State Protectorate, understand that Star Fraction has always been hostile to Caldari interests in New Eden. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General As a soldier of the Caldari, I was of the understanding that we were to bring our war to a rapid close to create stability through our sectors of space. I see General, that this is not true at all. Warm yourself by the pyre that Tama will become, I'll have none of the responibility of the continued loss of Caldari lives.
Kane Kuchera Amarr NoD Imperium	Posted - 2009.08.07 15:50:00 - [178] (( I here by declare my self kicked from my own corp)) ACHMED FLEET FTW!
Theophilas Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.08 22:53:00 - [179] Atlas was permitted the opinion that he was at liberty, if he wished, to drop the Earth and creep away; but this opinion was all that he was permitted.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.10 11:06:00 - [180] Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Jade Constantine Giving notice of -10 standing change for: Venkee Unlimited [VENK] o/\o HIGH FIVE! to Venkee Unlimited, welcome to the club guys. Not sure if you know this but red is the new blue. See now that SF set you red, you dont have to worry about them attacking you. This is how it works. SF sets your red because they dont like you. But wont put themselves in a position to attack you either because it puts them in a position to loose also. So they will sit there hugging stations all day. They will attack war targets, but only if the situation allows it(not very often) because they know us "reds" will blow them out of space if they show their face past a station to kill a wartarget. All in all being red to SF is just as good, if not better than being neutral or blue. Love you Jadder, your the best EVER!. Invelious Agent to the Empire. Keep spouting this rubbish to your militia mates Invelious. Its very helpful to our operations Operations? OH, right. Station sanitation. I forgot you guys were still there in the 24IC cleaning the place. You know Invelious, for someone that can at least imitate basic cognitive thought, you seem to show a complete lack of comprehension of how much you insult you allies every time you open your mouth. Please keep it up. I'm sure there will be a just reward at the end of it all for you. -------------------------------------------- SF Recruiting
Secretary Phase	Posted - 2009.08.10 17:18:00 - [181] Originally by: Jodie Amille In a surprise turn of events: Good luck SF in your efforts against the Amarr What exactly is suprising about getting back on CVA's KOS list after creating an alliance with well known pirates that were KOS pretty much since their existence? Anyway - I would have thought that having been in the militia for so long (and having been KOS to CVA yourself for a long time whilst you were in), you should know better than equating CVA with the Amarr Militia. Therefore your obvious hostility towards the Amarr Militia is quite disappointing to lots of pilots who used to enjoy flying with you - especially as you know from first hand experience that the CVA doesn't give these any support against those whom you wish luck. Best Regards Secretary Phase
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.11 08:46:00 - [182] I can see at least one craven lie in there. c- please try harder. Sable -------------------------------------------- SF Recruiting
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.11 17:53:00 - [183] 11/8/2009 (19:00 hours) on 24 hour warning. Sturmgrenadier Operations Group [S O G] 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Secretary Phase	Posted - 2009.08.11 21:25:00 - [184] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger I can see at least one craven lie in there. c- please try harder. Sable In case you are referring to my broadcast, please go ahead and name it - I am perfectly positive that your claims will be just as hollow as when Heartstone claimed that Noir. was hired by PIE Inc. - or are you really so naive to believe that puppet corps POS at V-1 harboring your titan was still there if CVA supported the milita? Best regards Secretary Phase
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.11 22:55:00 - [185] Edited by: Heartstone on 11/08/2009 22:55:58 Originally by: Secretary Phase I am perfectly positive that your claims will be just as hollow as when Heartstone claimed that Noir. was hired by PIE Inc. Poor, foolish Phase. It seems you need more time spent at lessons and less time at the Pro-Slavery rallies. My claim that PIE Inc. hired Noir. was incorrect indeed but, as is typical for an Amarrian mouthpiece you neglect to mention that that wasn't the thrust of my argument. My argument was in fact that you were either ignorant or lying in regards to the concept of the Amarr Militia corp hiring mercs. It is proven fact that some Amarr Militia corps do indeed do this. In fact since your little demonstration of ineptitude it has been confirmed yet again by the pathetic attempts made to distract us by the hiring of Royal Hiigaran Navy. That they were hired by an Amarr Militia corp was kindly confirmed to us by one of the leaders of RHN in fact. In regards to that amusing little interlude I would just like to ask whomsoever it was that hired them to hire better mercs next time as they were utterly incapable. If you insist on spending your isk on mercs you might as well get your money's worth. Back to the point. Hollow my dear Phase is not what I have said at all. Hollow is a claim made of neutrality and independence so a so called interested observer who has time and again proven to be nothing more than a mouth piece for another Amarr pilot far too craven to put his own names to his words. Hollow is the hope that we might consider such a person to be nothing than a dancing puppet who's strings are firmly in the rictus grip of one far to used to seeing others as their play thing. Hollow, my dear Phase, is the mind of such a one who would allow her voice to be given over to a man as pathetic as one who does not have the courage to step forward and show his true nature to his enemy but sits behind a desk cackling with delight as his plaything dutifully spouts the lies and half truths he tells her too. Hollow is you Miss Phase. Hollow is your nature, your being and your future. Fill your life with something more than being a marionette for another man Miss Phase and then talk again using your own words. Quote: - or are you really so naive to believe that puppet corps POS at V-1 harboring your titan was still there if CVA supported the milita? Frankly yes. CVA have, since a rather fateful encounter in Low Sec not so long ago, being terrified of deploying capitals to the field away from their safety net in Providence it seems. We had rather thought our friends would have lost their POS a few times by now in all honesty which is why we have purchased replacements for them waiting to be deployed at a moments notice. It seems however that not even the cries of the their allies will stir them from their shielded castle now. The idea that CVA doesn't support the Amarr militia is frankly quite laughable. That they do not support every corp in it is certainly true but to suggest that CVA has no interest or close allies within the militia they would support as best they feel able to, without exposing themselves to too much risk of course, is idiocy. Heartstone. ---
Secretary Phase	Posted - 2009.08.11 23:53:00 - [186] Edited by: Secretary Phase on 11/08/2009 23:55:36 The Royal Hiigarian wardec has been noticed, and word goes that it was agents planted by your own organisation who hired them against you - as their incompetence is widely known among New Eden - It's even more evident since one of the most incapable merc corps was hired just after the little chat we've had about the issue. Back on topic: I still am a neutral observer, the mere fact that the Minmatar Militia continuosly runs 50+ ship fleets with capital support and outnumbering the Amarr Milita (who's best corps have always been KOS to the CVA) hugely since the war started, whilst your organization and others like Bearn Security cowardly stay out of the main conflict, deccing select, weak corps just made my allegation biased towards the amarr side - call it empathy. You can rest assured that I'd certainly reassess my position if Minmatar was hugely outnumbered and anatagonized by the same amount of outside forces. Also I'm way to busy studying this conflict to "fill my life with something more". As for the Providence Block: They nowadays are about as Amarrian as Shakor himself - destroyed more Amarr militia ships than UK and EM combined - coward Opportunitists hiding behind cyno jammers they became due to whom they decide to accept among their ranks and whom the KOS - that's why they don't support and why your stooge corp is still at V-1 - at least on that we presumably can agree. Best regards Secretary Phase
Arkady Sadik Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.12 07:03:00 - [187] Originally by: Secretary Phase The Royal Hiigarian wardec has been noticed, and word goes that it was agents planted by your own organisation who hired them against you That sounds highly likely. It must have been the same group that planned the cunning idea of bribing imperial groups to bribe matari groups to murder Abel Jarek. If only everyone had the same insight and understanding of such intricate political motivations as a mouthpiece of a person who does not have the spine to show his face on this forum, such as yourself. Also, out of curiosity, did you take a special education as Amarrian Monk to be able to claim facts rooted in anything but reality, or were you just a schoolyard friend of Invelious?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 08:16:00 - [188] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 12/08/2009 08:16:38 Originally by: Heartstone Quote: - or are you really so naive to believe that puppet corps POS at V-1 harboring your titan was still there if CVA supported the milita? Frankly yes. CVA have, since a rather fateful encounter in Low Sec not so long ago, being terrified of deploying capitals to the field away from their safety net in Providence it seems. We had rather thought our friends would have lost their POS a few times by now in all honesty which is why we have purchased replacements for them waiting to be deployed at a moments notice. It seems however that not even the cries of the their allies will stir them from their shielded castle now. The idea that CVA doesn't support the Amarr militia is frankly quite laughable. That they do not support every corp in it is certainly true but to suggest that CVA has no interest or close allies within the militia they would support as best they feel able to, without exposing themselves to too much risk of course, is idiocy. Heartstone. Or it could just be that neither the core militia corporations nor the CVA considers either a POS or a titan impotently sat in a system away from the front line to be a priority target. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 13:05:00 - [189] Wow. The entire thrust of the counter arguements presented are: 1.) You hired mercs to prove a point you have already proved and 2.) You're irrelevant. Dearie me. Not even trying to sound realistic any more are we? Heartstone. ---
Sahriah BloodStone Caldari Burning Avarice	Posted - 2009.08.12 13:14:00 - [190] Originally by: Jade Constantine With the Star Fraction campaign against the 24th Crusade entering its 151st day with another largely successful period of combat victories and generally unchallenged presence in Kamela System With all due respect, Star faction remain generally unchallanged because they are at war with 3 corporations out of the entire Milita force. You win by picking off the people you are at war with who are part of much larger fleets and using the Minmatar Milita as cannon fodder. So when you say 'A largely successful period of combat victories and generally unchallenged presence in the Kamela System' you should really add 'Against 3 corps with a total of 189 pilots' out of 2871 pilots currently in the milita..you know just for realism purposes ---------------------- Sahriah Bloodstone Burning Avarice
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 13:19:00 - [191] Well Heartstone, as the miltia's assualt on Taff a few weeks ago demonstrated, when a corp has the ability to actually affect the conflict we won't hesitate to attack their stationary assets. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 13:27:00 - [192] Originally by: Rodj Blake Well Heartstone, as the miltia's assualt on Taff a few weeks ago demonstrated, when a corp has the ability to actually affect the conflict we won't hesitate to attack their stationary assets. You know Rodj if you continue to repeat the you're irrelevant line for another few years people might start believing you. The fact is we know we aren't due to comments we regularly get from the corps we chose to dec. Still can't expect anything more than standard line from you I guess. Heartstone. ---
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 13:41:00 - [193] Originally by: Heartstone Edited by: Heartstone on 12/08/2009 13:34:31 Originally by: Rodj Blake Well Heartstone, as the miltia's assualt on Taff a few weeks ago demonstrated, when a corp has the ability to actually affect the conflict we won't hesitate to attack their stationary assets. You know Rodj if you continue to repeat the you're irrelevant line for another few years people might start believing you. The fact is we know we aren't due to comments we regularly get from the corps we chose to dec. Still can't expect anything more than standard line from you I guess. I'll change my mind and my statements once SF actually have an effect on things. Take Dark-Rising and RKK for example. Is it any coincidence that the Shakorites gained occupancy in Halmah soon after they joined, and then lost it again soon after they left? I think not. So we can say that they actually affected things. How long have SF been sat in Kamela for now without any meaningful effect on the wider conflict? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.12 13:54:00 - [194] Just out of curiousity, because I want to confirm what i'm hearing. SF did you in fact hire a merc corp to counter The Royal Hiigarian?
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:08:00 - [195] Edited by: Heartstone on 12/08/2009 14:09:23 Originally by: Invelious Just out of curiousity, because I want to confirm what i'm hearing. SF did you in fact hire a merc corp to counter The Royal Hiigarian? Heh. No. There was nothing to counter. Even if there was I can't imagine why we would. Having a good merc corp decced against us would have been good practice. As it was whomever paid the 400m to RHN wasted their isk. Heartstone. ---
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:15:00 - [196] Originally by: Rodj Blake Or it could just be that neither the core militia corporations nor the CVA considers either a POS or a titan impotently sat in a system away from the front line to be a priority target. More likely that the CVA is currently terrified of lowsec operations due to the large number of available naptrain capital pilots looking for a hotdrop opportunity and the 24th Crusade is incapable of initiating an anti POS operation on its own without CVA support. As for the Titan sitting "impotently" I can only smile. So "impotent" that the mere act of prepping the reactors for a jump portal is capable of sending fifty-ship strong 24th Crusade fleets to dock in hisec Tuomota for fear of instant deployment of SF battleship gangs to the heart of an ongoing fight. The power of a Titan is logistical. While the portal is powered up the Star Fraction can hit any system in the warzone with full force and deadly initiative. After a couple of demonstrations the 24th Crusade have learned that they cannot deploy battleship groups with the Black Plan active and nightly Amarrian Fleet commanders wring their hands and squabble amongst themselves at this reality. If this is your definition of the word "impotent" Rodj Blake then it makes a lot more sense of your similarly bizzare usage of the word "irrelevent". Clearly you are out of touch with the reality in the warzone. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:30:00 - [197] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/08/2009 14:36:36 Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone With all due respect, Star faction remain generally unchallanged because they are at war with 3 corporations out of the entire Milita force. You win by picking off the people you are at war with who are part of much larger fleets and using the Minmatar Milita as cannon fodder. The three most significant corporations of the 24th Crusade mind - usually a collection of pilots who would otherwise make up close to 50% of the available Militia battleship strength. We have intel captures from 24th Crusade planning meetings where this fact is roundly lamented by 24th commanders. If SF had not decced these target corps its estimated that daily amarrian fleet strength would be improved by around 15-25 extra battleship hulls which because of our intervention must remain docked and (to steal a term from Rodj) entirely impotent in Tuomota hisec station. And lets not forget, whenever the 24th believe its in their advantage to do so, they will criminally-flag in view of gate guns to engage SF ships. This can leave a dozen Star Fraction vessels opposed by 40-50 ships potentially. There is no hard and fast rule preventing this Sahriah Bloodstone - typically only the timidity of the Amarrian fleet commanders comes into play as they choose flight over fight. And 24th Crusade corporations could help their decced allies of course. Nobody is stopping 24th Crusade members from wardeccing the Star Fraction and flying alongside Absinthe, PIE and Deus at the moment. If those corporations are being abandoned by their allies and listening to nothing but vapid excuses and evasions from "loyal" amarrian crusaders that says more about their organizational shortcomings than our cunning wardec choices really. Quote: So when you say 'A largely successful period of combat victories and generally unchallenged presence in the Kamela System' you should really add 'Against 3 corps with a total of 189 pilots' out of 2871 pilots currently in the milita..you know just for realism purposes I disagree. We have driven the entire 24th Crusade from Kamela - this fact is largely beyond challenge. Even the offices of the leading 24th Crusade corporations have gone unrented and the general price of real estate has declined sharply from its peak in the weeks after we moved in. It used to be their collective muster point - now they are forced to camp hisec and muster their fleets there. We have also radically reduced the effective fleet strength of the 24th Crusade as a whole by preventing the three most significant 24th Crusader corporations from deploying battleship hulls at any time when SF counter forces are active. You can talk of 189 pilots from 2871 and its a meaningless statistic. Most evenings the 24th Crusade will be able to muster 25-50 pilots for active patrols in the warzone. When a third of those (and up to 50-60% of potential battleship pilots) are wardecced by the Star Fraction you can calculate for yourself the impact that is having on the warzone. The 24th never has and never will see 2871 pilots on the front line. We are wardecced against the best and brightest of the 100 they do see. If they are failing and reduced to fleeing combat in frigate hulls most evenings that doesn't leave much acclaim for the rest who will struggle to put 1/100th of their paper strength into space on an average day. The reality is we have crushed multiple 24th Crusade corps. We have driven others from the warzone entirely. We have restricted those that remain to frigate class vessels while our fleet assets are active. While it is true we cannot directly impact the cause of plexing or territorial dispute between the TLF and 24th Crusade membership we can certainly impact the balance of vessel class deployed between those combatents in open space and this we have done to great effect. Take a look at daily fleet compositions on the respective public kill registers from now and 3/6/9 months ago. The impact is obvious. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:38:00 - [198] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Or it could just be that neither the core militia corporations nor the CVA considers either a POS or a titan impotently sat in a system away from the front line to be a priority target. More likely that the CVA is currently terrified of lowsec operations due to the large number of available naptrain capital pilots looking for a hotdrop opportunity and the 24th Crusade is incapable of initiating an anti POS operation on its own without CVA support. Unless you count instances such as the previously-mentioned Taff operation a few weeks back which had no active involvement from the CVA. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:45:00 - [199] Originally by: Jade Constantine I disagree. We have driven the entire 24th Crusade from Kamela - this fact is largely beyond challenge. Even the offices of the leading 24th Crusade corporations have gone unrented and the general price of real estate has declined sharply from its peak in the weeks after we moved in. It used to be their collective muster point - now they are forced to camp hisec and muster their fleets there. Or it could just be that the front lines have moved (as they tend to do in territorial conflicts) and that Kamela is not as good a place to base out of as it was six months or a year ago. Originally by: Jade Constantine While it is true we cannot directly impact the cause of plexing or territorial dispute between the TLF and 24th Crusade membership... In that case, you probably want to rethink your tactics, since: Originally by: The Cosmopolite ...the Star Fraction explicitly places this campaign in the context of the Amarr-Minmatar conflict and will judge our effectiveness by developments in that conflict, where we can fairly be said to have played a role, which are contrary to the interests of the Amarrian Empire, the 24th Imperial Crusade and loyalist capsuleers taking part in the conflict. The normal and accepted means of judging the course of the militia conflicts include the occupation status of systems and accumulated battle statistics, and we shall give these their due weight in making our assessments. (My emphasis) Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:46:00 - [200] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Or it could just be that neither the core militia corporations nor the CVA considers either a POS or a titan impotently sat in a system away from the front line to be a priority target. More likely that the CVA is currently terrified of lowsec operations due to the large number of available naptrain capital pilots looking for a hotdrop opportunity and the 24th Crusade is incapable of initiating an anti POS operation on its own without CVA support. Unless you count instances such as the previously-mentioned Taff operation a few weeks back which had no active involvement from the CVA. You're right Rodj what Jade should have said "the 24th Crusade is incapable of initiating a successful anti POS operation on its own without CVA support. Seeing as you didn't kill the tower someone else did. Typical of you to claim credit for someone else's actions though. Heartstone. ---
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:48:00 - [201] Originally by: Rodj Blake Unless you count instances such as the previously-mentioned Taff operation a few weeks back which had no active involvement from the CVA. I watched your Archon class carrier from around 50 kilometers away at that battle while deciding whether to trigger our own hotdrop Rodj. What stopped me was a strong suspicion of CVA counter drop. (Caution that ironically saved our fleet from the NC hotdrop that ultimately decided the fight). Now you can downplay the impact of CVA proximity on the warzone as much as you please but only a fool believes it is irrelevant. What has happened in the last months however is that the CVA lost several high value assets in lowsec adventures elsewhere and has become less inclined to risk-taking in general. Its my assessment that this rather than other factors is the chief reason that the 24th Crusade doesn't dare assault the SF staging pos in Kamela. You will disagree - but we will agree to disagree. End of discussion. As Heartstone has intimated - we rather expected to lose that POS several times over and budgeted accordingly. The fact you currently lack the will / capability / good sense / etc to assault and eliminate what is undoubtedly a significant strategic advantage for us is simply good fortune for us and we'll continue to use it to full potential while it lasts. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:49:00 - [202] Originally by: Rodj Blake out of context quoting.... otherwise pointless piffle. Since we've got to the point of the discussion where you are playing silly misquoting games we'll end it there. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:55:00 - [203] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Or it could just be that neither the core militia corporations nor the CVA considers either a POS or a titan impotently sat in a system away from the front line to be a priority target. More likely that the CVA is currently terrified of lowsec operations due to the large number of available naptrain capital pilots looking for a hotdrop opportunity and the 24th Crusade is incapable of initiating an anti POS operation on its own without CVA support. Unless you count instances such as the previously-mentioned Taff operation a few weeks back which had no active involvement from the CVA. You're right Rodj what Jade should have said "the 24th Crusade is incapable of initiating a successful anti POS operation on its own without CVA support. Seeing as you didn't kill the tower someone else did. Typical of you to claim credit for someone else's actions though. Heartstone. Without the militia initiating the fight, it's very unlikely that the NC would have shown up to finish the job. If we'd have attacked the POS and the NC hadn't shown up, I'm reasonably confident that the POS would have been destroyed. Anyway, one of the objectives of the operation was to remove the POS, and at the end of the operation the POS was no longer there. So the operation can be considered to have been a success, albeit through an unconventional route. Sure, we could have stayed around to fight both of the fleets, but what would that have acheived? We'd have lost a load of ships and the end result would have been the same - one less Dark-Rising POS. I've found that in a three-way fight, it's often advantageous to leave the other two sides to slug it out. That's not to take any of the credit away from the NC - despite a lot of them being on our KOS list I'm happy to congratulate them on their efficiency in organising their fleet in the way they did. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:59:00 - [204] Originally by: Rodj Blake Anyway, one of the objectives of the operation was to remove the POS, and at the end of the operation the POS was no longer there. So the operation can be considered to have been a success, albeit through an unconventional route. One of the objectives of The Star Fraction is to reduce the influence of territorialistic powers on the Cluster known as New Eden. With the demise of the alliance known as Band of Brothers we claim a victory in our ongoing campaign. See how silly you sound? Heartstone. ---
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:02:00 - [205] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Rodj Blake Anyway, one of the objectives of the operation was to remove the POS, and at the end of the operation the POS was no longer there. So the operation can be considered to have been a success, albeit through an unconventional route. One of the objectives of The Star Fraction is to reduce the influence of territorialistic powers on the Cluster known as New Eden. With the demise of the alliance known as Band of Brothers we claim a victory in our ongoing campaign. See how silly you sound? Heartstone. No, I don't. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:09:00 - [206] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Rodj Blake Anyway, one of the objectives of the operation was to remove the POS, and at the end of the operation the POS was no longer there. So the operation can be considered to have been a success, albeit through an unconventional route. One of the objectives of The Star Fraction is to reduce the influence of territorialistic powers on the Cluster known as New Eden. With the demise of the alliance known as Band of Brothers we claim a victory in our ongoing campaign. See how silly you sound? Heartstone. No, I don't. I which case I will have to bow out of the conversation Rodj as you don't seem to have any interest in making the least sense. Heartstone. ---
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:29:00 - [207] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Rodj Blake Anyway, one of the objectives of the operation was to remove the POS, and at the end of the operation the POS was no longer there. So the operation can be considered to have been a success, albeit through an unconventional route. One of the objectives of The Star Fraction is to reduce the influence of territorialistic powers on the Cluster known as New Eden. With the demise of the alliance known as Band of Brothers we claim a victory in our ongoing campaign. See how silly you sound? Heartstone. wait, wait. So your against all the 0.0 power blocks? And your claiming victory in the demise of BoB? whom you have close relations with one BoBs most powerful corps RKK? And sadly, BoB's region was simply occupied by another power block, Goonswarm. so what victory did you actually gain here Heartstone? You can only claim victory in your campaign if no one laid claim to BoBs old territory.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:36:00 - [208] Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Rodj Blake Anyway, one of the objectives of the operation was to remove the POS, and at the end of the operation the POS was no longer there. So the operation can be considered to have been a success, albeit through an unconventional route. One of the objectives of The Star Fraction is to reduce the influence of territorialistic powers on the Cluster known as New Eden. With the demise of the alliance known as Band of Brothers we claim a victory in our ongoing campaign. See how silly you sound? Heartstone. wait, wait. So your against all the 0.0 power blocks? And your claiming victory in the demise of BoB? whom you have close relations with one BoBs most powerful corps RKK? And sadly, BoB's region was simply occupied by another power block, Goonswarm. so what victory did you actually gain here Heartstone? You can only claim victory in your campaign if no one laid claim to BoBs old territory. Exactly. Even you grasped my point whereas Rodj doesn't seem to have done. To claim a victory for the actions of another simply because the objective you wished to be fulfilled is done so by that third party no matter that their stance on any number of issues is diametrically opposed to your own is foolishness. No I don't claim that BoB demise was a victory at all for us it was an illustration of how ridiculous the argument by Rodj had become. Thanks for helping to prove this Invelious. Heartstone. ---
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:46:00 - [209] Just to pick up on one small point... Originally by: Invelious So your against all the 0.0 power blocks? Actually no. What we fight against is those that would say "This is our space you are not allowed to enter" or "This is our space you will abide by our decisions about who your enemy is". Territorialism in and off itself is not a bad thing. People should be free to use space and the bodies found within it how they chose but should also not restrict others from doing so. Whilst it would seem that from this CVA should be our natural allies it is the later statement that sadly moves them away from our beliefs. To be told that someone HAS to be set red or blue based on another's interactions with them is unacceptably counter to the concept of personal sovereignty. Heartstone. ---
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 16:47:00 - [210] Originally by: Heartstone Exactly. Even you grasped my point whereas Rodj doesn't seem to have done. To be fair, I don't think he so much "grasped" the point as walked into it and then fell over stunned with a bruise on his head. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.12 17:21:00 - [211] Edited by: Invelious on 12/08/2009 17:26:53 Edited by: Invelious on 12/08/2009 17:21:14 Originally by: Heartstone Just to pick up on one small point... Originally by: Invelious So your against all the 0.0 power blocks? Actually no. What we fight against is those that would say "This is our space you are not allowed to enter" or "This is our space you will abide by our decisions about who your enemy is". Territorialism in and off itself is not a bad thing. People should be free to use space and the bodies found within it how they chose but should also not restrict others from doing so. Whilst it would seem that from this CVA should be our natural allies it is the later statement that sadly moves them away from our beliefs. To be told that someone HAS to be set red or blue based on another's interactions with them is unacceptably counter to the concept of personal sovereignty. Heartstone. LOL, with that said you are describing all the o.o power blocks, and they all have their own rules and guidelines for who and who cannot enter and how to operate in their space. When they claim the space, they are claiming that the space is theirs and no others. And the "" was more at the fact that I can't believe how balloon headed you bunch really are, in claiming victory over BoB's demise and in the fact that you actually believe you can change the sov's of 0.0.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 17:29:00 - [212] Originally by: Invelious And the "" was more at the fact that I can't believe how balloon headed you bunch really are, in claiming victory over BoB's demise and in the fact that you actually believe you can change the sov's of 0.0. Still reeling from accidently bashing your head against the point then? 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.12 17:34:00 - [213] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Invelious And the "" was more at the fact that I can't believe how balloon headed you bunch really are, in claiming victory over BoB's demise and in the fact that you actually believe you can change the sov's of 0.0. Still reeling from accidently bashing your head against the point then? Still unable to counter the main point so your sticking to something that is completely inconsequential to the fact that was presented?
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 17:42:00 - [214] Originally by: Invelious And the "" was more at the fact that I can't believe how balloon headed you bunch really are, in claiming victory over BoB's demise and in the fact that you actually believe you can change the sov's of 0.0. Invelious take a deep breath and re-read what was written. My point was that the defeat of BoB was in no way a victory for us. Much like the destruction of the DARK POS by NC forces was no victory for the Amarr Militia. The whole basis of my argument was that claiming the third party victory as your own is foolish and used a ridiculous example of the way in which The Star Fraction could make claims if Rodj's parameters for declaring a victory were accepted i.e. that by his logic we can happily claim to have defeated BoB. As anyone with a half functioning brain can see we did not defeat BoB and as an extension of this exploration into the logic of Rodj's claims the Amarr Militia cannot claim responsibility for the destruction of DARK's POS. Heartstone. ---
Theophilas Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:13:00 - [215] Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy. -------------------------------------------------- No sooner said than done - so acts your man of worth.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:27:00 - [216] Originally by: Theophilas Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy. Were you too busy thinking up that fortune cookie wisdom to help your friends out just now? Heartstone. ---
Theophilas Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:32:00 - [217] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Theophilas Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy. Were you too busy thinking up that fortune cookie wisdom to help your friends out just now? For anarchists, you guys sure are arrogant ****s. -------------------------------------------------- No sooner said than done - so acts your man of worth.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:40:00 - [218] Originally by: Theophilas For anarchists, you guys sure are arrogant ****s. Whereas you are quite typical for an Amarrian nationalist. Thick as two short planks with even less charisma than a block of wood. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Theophilas Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:49:00 - [219] Edited by: Theophilas on 12/08/2009 19:51:34 Edited by: Theophilas on 12/08/2009 19:50:47 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Theophilas For anarchists, you guys sure are arrogant ****s. Whereas you are quite typical for an Amarrian nationalist. Thick as two short planks with even less charisma than a block of wood. Right, except, I'm a frigging slave driver. I literally whip slaves. Why, just the other day I brutally beat a Minmitar child who didn't polish my captains chair to a high enough gloss. Therefore it's understandable that I be an arrogant ass, but you free wheeling anarchists are supposed to be men of the people, but if anything you are the most arrogant corporation in the game. Perhaps you need to rethink your propaganda. -------------------------------------------------- No sooner said than done - so acts your man of worth.
Theophilas Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:50:00 - [220] Edited by: Theophilas on 12/08/2009 19:50:26 Whoops. This second post was a mistake. -------------------------------------------------- No sooner said than done - so acts your man of worth.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:51:00 - [221] Edited by: Heartstone on 12/08/2009 19:51:28 Originally by: Theophilas Perhaps you need to rethink your propaganda. A Duck is a duck. Call it a chicken all you like we'll still call it a duck. Heartstone. ---
Theophilas Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:53:00 - [222] Originally by: Heartstone A Duck is a duck. Call it a chicken all you like we'll still call it a duck. It's like you can't help yourself. -------------------------------------------------- No sooner said than done - so acts your man of worth.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:54:00 - [223] Originally by: Theophilas but you free wheeling anarchists are supposed to be men of the people We are, problem is you aren't people. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Theophilas Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:57:00 - [224] Originally by: Jade Constantine We are, problem is you aren't people. haha! Spoken like a true Amarrian! Good show! Now that you've shown your true colors, I think we've found some common ground! Doesn't exclusion feel good? Maybe now you can abandon your ludicrous philosophy in favor of something a little less hypocritical... Then you can focus on things like, subjugation, extermination. You've got the hard part down, the rest is easy, I promise... -------------------------------------------------- No sooner said than done - so acts your man of worth.
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy Double Dutch Rudders	Posted - 2009.08.12 20:10:00 - [225] Originally by: Secretary Phase Originally by: Jodie Amille In a surprise turn of events: Good luck SF in your efforts against the Amarr What exactly is suprising about getting back on CVA's KOS list after creating an alliance with well known pirates that were KOS pretty much since their existence? Anyway - I would have thought that having been in the militia for so long (and having been KOS to CVA yourself for a long time whilst you were in), you should know better than equating CVA with the Amarr Militia. Therefore your obvious hostility towards the Amarr Militia is quite disappointing to lots of pilots who used to enjoy flying with you - especially as you know from first hand experience that the CVA doesn't give these any support against those whom you wish luck. Best Regards Secretary Phase You, sir, have no idea what you're talking about. We were set back to KOS because one of our members pirated someone in CVA space. A week or more after my post thank you very much So yeah, get a clue before you post. --------
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.12 20:21:00 - [226] Originally by: Theophilas Originally by: Jade Constantine We are, problem is you aren't people. haha! Spoken like a true Amarrian! Good show! Now that you've shown your true colors, I think we've found some common ground! Doesn't exclusion feel good? Maybe now you can abandon your ludicrous philosophy in favor of something a little less hypocritical... Then you can focus on things like, subjugation, extermination. You've got the hard part down, the rest is easy, I promise... Please do continue. I would like to hear more about the daily goings on in Amarr space from your perspective I am sure it is very enlightening for others. Heartstone. ---
Theophilas Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.12 20:45:00 - [227] Edited by: Theophilas on 12/08/2009 20:48:11 Edited by: Theophilas on 12/08/2009 20:46:18 Originally by: Heartstone Please do continue. I would like to hear more about the daily goings on in Amarr space from your perspective I am sure it is very enlightening for others. Oh it's endless drudgery trying to keep these cow eyed Minimitar in line. Always with their endless plotting and attempts to escape. One has to be terrible careful not to lose control. You know, the other day, I was thinking of the very old times, when the Ammarians first came to New Eden, well over nineteen hundred years ago. . . darkness was here yesterday. Imagine the feelings of a commander of a fine battleship, ordered suddenly to the furthest outreaches of space, run across Amarrian space in a hurry; put in charge of one of these craft the Amarrian legionaries ù a wonderful lot of handy men they must have been, too ù used to build, apparently by the hundred, in a month or two, if we may believe what we read. Imagine him here ù the very end of the universe, a star the color of lead, clouds the color of smoke, a kind of ship about as rigid as a concertina ù and going through this space with stores, or orders, or what you like. Red giants, black holes, pirates, Minimitar savages, ù precious little to eat fit for a civilized man, nothing but reconstituted urine to drink. No Falernian wine here, no going planet side. Here and there a military post lost in deep space, like a needle in a bundle of hay ù cold, fog, tempests, disease, exile, and death ù death skulking in the air, in the water, in the vastness. They must have been dying like flies. Oh, yes ù he did it. Did it very well, too, no doubt, and without thinking much about it either, except afterwards to brag of what he had gone through in his time, perhaps. They were men enough to face the darkness. And perhaps he was cheered by keeping his eye on a chance of promotion to the fleet at Kamela by and by, if he had good friends in Amarr and survived the awful conditions. Or think of a decent young citizen in a toga ù perhaps too much dice, you know ù coming out here in the train of some prefect, or taxûgatherer, or trader even, to mend his fortunes. Land in space, fly through the gaseous dust clouds, and in some distant post feel the savagery, the utter savagery, had closed round him ù all that mysterious silence of the black space that stirs in the universe, in the stars, in the hearts of wild men. ThereÆs no initiation either into such mysteries. He has to live in the midst of the incomprehensible, which is also detestable. And it has a fascination, too, that goes to work upon him. The fascination of the abominationùyou know, imagine the growing regrets, the longing to escape, the powerless disgust, the surrender, the hate. Mind, none of us would feel exactly like this. What saves us is efficiency ù the devotion to efficiency. But these chaps were not much account, really. They were no colonists; their administration was merely a squeeze, and nothing more, I suspect. They were conquerors, and for that you want only brute force ù nothing to boast of, when you have it, since your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others. They grabbed what they could get for the sake of what was to be got. It was just robbery with violence, aggravated murder on a great scale, and men going at it blind ù as is very proper for those who tackle a darkness. The conquest of space, which mostly means the taking it away from those who have a different complexion or slightly flatter noses than ourselves, is not a pretty thing when you look into it too much. What redeems it is the idea only. An idea at the back of it; not a sentimental pretense but an idea; and an unselfish belief in the ideaùsomething you can set up, and bow down before, and offer a sacrifice to... -------------------------------------------------- No sooner said than done - so acts your man of worth.
Secretary Phase	Posted - 2009.08.12 20:55:00 - [228] Originally by: Jodie Amille You, sir, have no idea what you're talking about. We were set back to KOS because one of our members pirated someone in CVA space. A week or more after my post thank you very much So yeah, get a clue before you post. So what? I assumed that must have been the reason for your sudden hostility as I indeed don't have a clue what else may have caused it. Care to enlighten us? Best regards Secretary Phase
BattleStar Crusader Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium	Posted - 2009.08.12 21:33:00 - [229] Phase You said "best corp" you may need to say which one :P
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy Double Dutch Rudders	Posted - 2009.08.12 22:00:00 - [230] Originally by: Secretary Phase Originally by: Jodie Amille You, sir, have no idea what you're talking about. We were set back to KOS because one of our members pirated someone in CVA space. A week or more after my post thank you very much So yeah, get a clue before you post. So what? I assumed that must have been the reason for your sudden hostility as I indeed don't have a clue what else may have caused it. Care to enlighten us? Best regards Secretary Phase You're a tad bit special aren't you? I'm pretty sure you're the only one in the entire thread that took that comment seriously --------
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 10:19:00 - [231] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Invelious And the "" was more at the fact that I can't believe how balloon headed you bunch really are, in claiming victory over BoB's demise and in the fact that you actually believe you can change the sov's of 0.0. Invelious take a deep breath and re-read what was written. My point was that the defeat of BoB was in no way a victory for us. Much like the destruction of the DARK POS by NC forces was no victory for the Amarr Militia. The whole basis of my argument was that claiming the third party victory as your own is foolish and used a ridiculous example of the way in which The Star Fraction could make claims if Rodj's parameters for declaring a victory were accepted i.e. that by his logic we can happily claim to have defeated BoB. As anyone with a half functioning brain can see we did not defeat BoB and as an extension of this exploration into the logic of Rodj's claims the Amarr Militia cannot claim responsibility for the destruction of DARK's POS. Heartstone. A story: A lumberjack walks into a forest with the intention of cutting down a tree. He takes his axe, and has chopped about half-way through a tree when a storm blows up. He leaves the area. While he is away, the storm blows down a single tree - the one the lumberjack had started to fell. The other trees survived because they had not been damaged by an axe. Now, what caused the tree to fall - was it the lumberjack or was it the storm? We could argue back and forth for ages, but the truth is that the lumberjack isn't bothered - he has his lumber. Of course, the discussion of whether it was the NC or the militia that destroyed the Dark-Rising POS is missing the point somewhat. Let's leave the story and rewind a bit. Jade claimed that the militia lacked the ability to initiate an attack on a POS. I pointed out that the militia had done just that very recently. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 10:56:00 - [232] Originally by: "Rodj Blake" A lumberjack walks into a forest with the intention of cutting down a tree. He takes his axe, and has chopped about half-way through a tree when a storm blows up. He leaves the area. While he is away, the storm blows down a single tree - the one the lumberjack had started to fell. The other trees survived because they had not been damaged by an axe. Now, what caused the tree to fall - was it the lumberjack or was it the storm? We could argue back and forth for ages, but the truth is that the lumberjack isn't bothered - he has his lumber. An interesting tale. One to remember, I think. I shall not enter into the debate on the POS as I personally take a pragmatic view of such things. However, I would reflect that if the pragmatic view is to be accepted with regard to a given desired effect operating to the favour and credit of a party that desired it and was involved in the chain of causation, however the effect finally came about, it may be that this will have to be accepted more generally. More pithily, an ancient proverb concerning domesticated fowl and cooking sauce comes to mind. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:12:00 - [233] Originally by: Rodj Blake Jade claimed that the militia lacked the ability to initiate an attack on a POS. I pointed out that the militia had done just that very recently. Initiating is not the same as completing an attack (though good work on your delicate evasions). I do not believe the 24th Crusade has the ability to destroy a POS without significant outside help (CVA or NC or whoever). But its pointless discussing such things in the hypothetical. Either you do or you don't. TIme will tell from actions in space. This line of discussion began because you tried to claim that a particular POS is not an operational priority for your organization. From your perspective its certainly less damaging for your morale to claim that than admit the truth on a public channel that its beyond your current capabilities so I trust everyone can see why you have to say what you said regardless of the reality behind the words. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:20:00 - [234] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 11:22:28 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Jade claimed that the militia lacked the ability to initiate an attack on a POS. I pointed out that the militia had done just that very recently. Initiating is not the same as completing an attack (though good work on your delicate evasions). I do not believe the 24th Crusade has the ability to destroy a POS without significant outside help (CVA or NC or whoever). None of which alters ther fact that you claimed that the militia was incapable of initiating a POS attack. Quote: But its pointless discussing such things in the hypothetical. Either you do or you don't. TIme will tell from actions in space. This line of discussion began because you tried to claim that a particular POS is not an operational priority for your organization. From your perspective its certainly less damaging for your morale to claim that than admit the truth on a public channel that its beyond your current capabilities so I trust everyone can see why you have to say what you said regardless of the reality behind the words. If we were scared of launching an attack on an SF POS, would it not also follow that we were also scared of launching an attack on a POS owned by a better organised group such as Dark-Rising? The fact is that it took more effort to arrange the attack on Taff than it would have done to attack the Kamela POS, so it surely follows that fear or inability are not the reasons we've let it sit there? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:39:00 - [235] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/08/2009 11:40:19 Originally by: Rodj Blake ... so it surely follows that fear or inability are not the reasons we've let it sit there? I'm not convinced. But really why would I be? Time has shown our personalities quite distinctly different Blake. You think to argue and debate and persuade and connive and wheedle on IGS threads to convince your enemies that the sky is black and the sea is lime green. I prefer to demonstrate that my enemies are losing by actually destroying them in space. Its very simple. I don't think you have the current capability to destroy the Kamela staging POS. You can prove me wrong by destroying it. It really is that simple. I don't care what your reasons are for not attacking it. If you can't destroy it thats good enough for me. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:41:00 - [236] Difference between you and the lumberjack is, he got his lumber. You did not get your PoS loot.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:47:00 - [237] Originally by: ChipMo Difference between you and the lumberjack is, he got his lumber. You did not get your PoS loot. And to continue the analogy the lumberjack's cousin (who came to help cut down the tree with a dreadnaught) was too slow to run away when the storm arrived and got struck dead by lightning also leading to a fairly costly day for the family all round 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:51:00 - [238] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 13/08/2009 11:51:24 Originally by: Jade Constantine I don't care what your reasons are for not attacking it. If you can't destroy it thats good enough for me. * The Cosmopolite chuckles... One is immediately reminded of the lumberjack tale. The variant here is that the lumberjack is apparently disinclined to even attempt to chop down a particular tree. The lumberjack tells himself and his drinking cronies that he doesn't want the lumber from that particular tree. Others wonder if the real reason is that the lumberjack isn't strong enough to fell this tree on his own. The question is an open one. The tree, meanwhile, insofar as such a thing can be said of a tree, remains content to drink in the sunshine and extend its roots in the surrounding soil. You know, Jade, I sometimes think that the central plank of Amarrian paramilitary propaganda against the Star Fraction has for so long been that we are 'irrelevant' that it now actually, and very amusingly, dictates Amarrian paramilitary strategy in space. The irony of this is exquisite and quite delightful. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:54:00 - [239] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 11:55:49 Originally by: Jade Constantine I'm not convinced. But really why would I be? Time has shown our personalities quite distinctly different Blake. You think to argue and debate and persuade and connive and wheedle on IGS threads to convince your enemies that the sky is black and the sea is lime green. I prefer to demonstrate that my enemies are losing by actually destroying them in space. How many times is it over the last six years that you've declared war on PIE? I lost count a while back. And you've still not managed to destroy us. You've not even managed to divert us from any of our tasks. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:55:00 - [240] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 13/08/2009 11:51:24 Originally by: Jade Constantine I don't care what your reasons are for not attacking it. If you can't destroy it thats good enough for me. * The Cosmopolite chuckles... One is immediately reminded of the lumberjack tale. The variant here is that the lumberjack is apparently disinclined to even attempt to chop down a particular tree. The lumberjack tells himself and his drinking cronies that he doesn't want the lumber from that particular tree. Others wonder if the real reason is that the lumberjack isn't strong enough to fell this tree on his own. The question is an open one. The tree, meanwhile, insofar as such a thing can be said of a tree, remains content to drink in the sunshine and extend its roots in the surrounding soil. To take things further, the lumberjack then goes and chops down a larger tree. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:55:00 - [241] Originally by: The Cosmopolite You know, Jade, I sometimes think that the central plank of Amarrian paramilitary propaganda ... ... He's going to regret this lumberjack metaphor you know 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 12:03:00 - [242] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/08/2009 12:05:54 Originally by: Rodj Blake How many times is it over the last six years that you've declared war on PIE? I lost count a while back. And you've still not managed to destroy us. Well Rodj since you ask. First time we declared war on PIE you were the CVA alliance. We fought for six weeks or so in the core Amarrian systems and finished with a score draw - many losses on both sides but since it led to SF 1 disbanding when our weaker corporations split off and decided constant warfare wasn't for them we'll award that round to you. Next major engagement was when PIE declared war on SF to try to prevent us destroying the Kimotoro Directive alliance in Mito. That didn't work out so well for you. Then we returned the favour during Operation(s) Daisy Cutter, Judas Goat and Slaughterhouse where we saw fleets of up to 20 PIE battleships contending with SF vessels in the core Amarrian space. Ultimately you were reduced in size and stature and forced to run off to Providence to re-arm before the Emperors's Celebrations in Amarr where we again crushed your fleet in the full view of public spectacle. Since then you are evidently and obviously diminished. And where once you could present a significant threat in battleship grade vessels to an armed Star Fraction patrol these days - not so much. We are wardecced against you and two other 24th Crusade corporations at the moment - reality is that you alone are no longer a significant challenge. I think even in your most florid self-delusion you'd have to admit that your military capability is diminished no? A couple of punishers, the odd Crusader class interceptor and if we're really lucky a Maller class cruiser hardly represents a corporation that hasn't been comprehensively routed and kicked up and down the spacelanes by its enemies over the years. PIE is nothing to be proud of in its current state Rodj. It really isn't and I'm actually a little bit sorry for you if you think it is. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 12:05:00 - [243] Originally by: Rodj Blake To take things further, the lumberjack then goes and chops down a larger tree. Without wind assistance this time? Please do let us know when this rather indolent and blasT lumberjack manages such a feat. I hope he doesn't mind the jokes and sneers from the workers at the various large tree-felling combines operating in nearby commercial forests. Mind you, probably he and his cronies are too drunk on his elderly mother's sloe gin to notice. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 12:19:00 - [244] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 12:22:35 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 12:20:37 Originally by: Jade Constantine Next major engagement was when PIE declared war on SF to try to prevent us destroying the Kimotoro Directive alliance in Mito. That didn't work out so well for you. We were there for live-fire exercises. It's odd that you forgot to mention your allies in the Black Rabbits during that campaign. And after you'd falsely admonished me for not giving NC any credit as well! Quote: Then we returned the favour during Operation(s) Daisy Cutter, Judas Goat and Slaughterhouse where we saw fleets of up to 20 PIE battleships contending with SF vessels in the core Amarrian space. Ultimately you were reduced in size and stature and forced to run off to Providence to re-arm before the Emperors's Celebrations in Amarr where we again crushed your fleet in the full view of public spectacle. On the contrary, our pilot roster before that series of wars was about the same size as after it. Wasn't it towards the end of that period that we humiliated SF by escorting one of the most important men in the Empire through your blockade? Forced to run off to Providence? My recollection is that we took part in a long planned campaign down there to remove the Ushra'Khan from their outpost. As I said earlier, you have a pretty dismal record of diverting us from our objectives Quote: Since then you are evidently and obviously diminished. And where once you could present a significant thread in battleship grade vessels to an armed Star Fraction patrol these days - not so much. We are wardecced against you and two other 24th Crusade corporations at the moment - reality is that you alone are no longer a significant challenge. Diminished in what way exactly? I'm pretty sure that our membership now is higher than it was when the Shakorites first attacked the Empire, and significantly higher than it was during the earlier campaigns. Quote: I think even in your most florid self-delusion you'd have to admit that your military capability is diminished no? A couple of punishers, the odd Crusader class interceptor and if we're really lucky a Maller class cruiser hardly represents a corporation that hasn't been comprehensively routed and kicked up and down the spacelanes by its enemies over the years. Not at all. Our membership level is higher than our historical average, and when we fly smaller ships it's because they're the best ships for the task at hand. We'll happily deploy larger vessels when the situation warrants it. We had multiple battleships and capital ships involved in the Taff operation, for example. If using T2 frigates is a sign of diminsihed capability, then what does that say about SF's stealth bomber patrols? Quote: PIE is nothing to be proud of in its current state Rodj. It really isn't and I'm actually a little bit sorry for you if you think it is. And yet, you still can't divert us from our priorities, and you still fail to have any significant impact on us. What does that say about you, exactly? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 12:30:00 - [245] Originally by: Rodj Blake And yet, you still can't divert us from our priorities, and you still fail to have any significant impact on us. What does that say about you, exactly? There is a very very old saying in Federation intelligence that seems somehow appropriate ôNever interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistakeö... If you believe that your organizational focus is best suited to fielding groups of 2-3 Punisher frigates and running away from any significant enemy ships then thats your choice. If you are happy with the current state of play then good for you. Means we're both happy. In a war this is close to unprecedented but lets leave it at that. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 12:42:00 - [246] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 12:43:19 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake And yet, you still can't divert us from our priorities, and you still fail to have any significant impact on us. What does that say about you, exactly? There is a very very old saying in Federation intelligence that seems somehow appropriate ôNever interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistakeö... If you believe that your organizational focus is best suited to fielding groups of 2-3 Punisher frigates and running away from any significant enemy ships then thats your choice. If you are happy with the current state of play then good for you. Means we're both happy. In a war this is close to unprecedented but lets leave it at that. For what it's worth, I am quite happy with the way things are going. The Empire occupies two Minmatar systems, and the Shakorites do not occupy any Amarrian systems. PIE is also regularly on the list of best performing militia corporations. Since even The Cosmopolite will agree with me when I say that the normal and accepted means of judging the course of the militia conflicts include the occupation status of systems and accumulated battle statistics, we must be doing something right. On top of that we still find the time and resources for the occasional operation outside of the formal Amarr/Minmatar warzone. There's still a lot to do, and I won't be satisfied until we have acheived final victory, but we're making steady progress. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 13:03:00 - [247] Originally by: Rodj Blake Since even The Cosmopolite will agree with me when I say that the normal and accepted means of judging the course of the militia conflicts include the occupation status of systems and accumulated battle statistics, we must be doing something right. Possibly you are but let us be clear about something... Originally by: The Cosmopolite In closing, the Star Fraction explicitly places this campaign in the context of the Amarr-Minmatar conflict and will judge our effectiveness by developments in that conflict, where we can fairly be said to have played a role, which are contrary to the interests of the Amarrian Empire, the 24th Imperial Crusade and loyalist capsuleers taking part in the conflict. The normal and accepted means of judging the course of the militia conflicts include the occupation status of systems and accumulated battle statistics, and we shall give these their due weight in making our assessments. ...are you saying you agree with and accept the entirety of that passage as a reasonable basis for our assessement of this campaign? I am happy with it and I accept it may mean we are ultimately unsuccessful. I would like to know if you are equally happy with it and accept the at least theoretical possibility that we may be successful in its terms. For the record. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 14:18:00 - [248] Originally by: The Cosmopolite ...are you saying you agree with and accept the entirety of that passage as a reasonable basis for our assessement of this campaign? The problem will be, as ever, Cosmo that the Amarrian Militia and their allies and puppets seem to be psychologically incapable of recognition of others. At least this seems to be the case with their words regarding The Star Fraction. I assume this is partly down to their superiority complex created by their "chosen of god" delusion. We on the other hand are quite willing to admit when an enemy is in a position of power. Our target selection in this campaign is pretty much based on the competency of the targets in question after all. The lack of any sort of respect for the abilities and achievements from the Amarrian Paramilitaries, especially historically PIE Inc., has lead to a state of affairs where we stand disbelieving anything they say as what they say in reference to us is so detached from rational observation that they lack any sort of credibility. Heartstone. ---
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 14:34:00 - [249] The Star Fraction is of course welcome to set its own objectives as it sees fit and have their success or lack thereof judged according to generally accepted metrics. Similarly, PIE has always acted in accordance with its objectives and will continue to do so. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 14:45:00 - [250] Originally by: Rodj Blake The Star Fraction is of course welcome to set its own objectives as it sees fit and have their success judged according to generally accepted metrics. And PIE is of course welcome to bluster and waffle on other organization's threads while running ineffectual frigate gangs. Some things never change Seriously though. Attack or don't, evade or fight. Its your choice, but don't feel obliged to keep telling us that the reason you are running away is because we are too irrelevent to fight - we get it! 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 14:55:00 - [251] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake The Star Fraction is of course welcome to set its own objectives as it sees fit and have their success judged according to generally accepted metrics. And PIE is of course welcome to bluster and waffle on other organization's threads while running ineffectual frigate gangs. Some things never change But apparently we're not so ineffectual that you feel that you can drop your war against us! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.13 14:59:00 - [252] Originally by: Rodj Blake The Star Fraction is of course welcome to set its own objectives as it sees fit and have their success or lack thereof judged according to generally accepted metrics. Nice of you to say. Now back to the actual question, having said that you share my view on matters as set out in... Originally by: The Cosmopolite In closing, the Star Fraction explicitly places this campaign in the context of the Amarr-Minmatar conflict and will judge our effectiveness by developments in that conflict, where we can fairly be said to have played a role, which are contrary to the interests of the Amarrian Empire, the 24th Imperial Crusade and loyalist capsuleers taking part in the conflict. The normal and accepted means of judging the course of the militia conflicts include the occupation status of systems and accumulated battle statistics, and we shall give these their due weight in making our assessments. ...are you saying you agree with and accept the entirety of that passage as a reasonable basis for our assessement of this campaign? The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Secretary Phase	Posted - 2009.08.13 16:08:00 - [253] Edited by: Secretary Phase on 13/08/2009 16:08:42 Originally by: Jodie Amille You're a tad bit special aren't you? I'm pretty sure you're the only one in the entire thread that took that comment seriously Yes - I am very special :) - anyway after a rather derogatory remark you made on militia corps I've stumbeld accross somewhere else, I indeed took it seriously.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.09.17 18:15:00 - [254] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 17/09/2009 18:16:08 New notifications of -10 standings with 24 hour notice issued at 19:30 hours - 17/9. whiskey pete's drycleaning services [wpds] the fallen hunters [buzkl] deep space scavengers [dss-a] award of the dark knights [awr] flatiron academy [firon] 13th drunken loyalists [13dl] Imperial Watch [I-WAR] 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Secretary Phase	Posted - 2009.09.19 23:51:00 - [255] Originally by: Secretary Phase Edited by: Secretary Phase on 13/08/2009 16:08:42 Originally by: Jodie Amille You're a tad bit special aren't you? I'm pretty sure you're the only one in the entire thread that took that comment seriously Yes - I am very special :) - anyway after a rather derogatory remark you made on militia corps I've stumbeld accross somewhere else, I indeed took it seriously. Wow - after a few weeks of absence I am actually forced to conclude that I am more special than I thought - judging from the fact that you wardec the very same people SF does, I was more accurate with my suspicion than I thought myself. (Hint: Joining SF would reduce overall wardec cost) Best regards Secretary Phase
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.09.24 02:06:00 - [256] New notifications of -10 standings with 24 hour notice issued at 02:00 hours - 24/9. overview glitch [gl2u] orizen [or] synchronized combat party [s.c.p] khanids brownies industrie [k.b.i] save our souls [505] real salmon [real.] sae academy [sae-a] defile. [dfile] extrarius legio [-xlo-] 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.15 21:39:00 - [257] New notifications of -10 standings with 24 hour notice issued at 22:00 hours - 15/11. Heroes. [SUPER] True Knowledge
Khanid Grime	Posted - 2009.11.16 07:37:00 - [258] "And PIE is of course welcome to bluster and waffle on other organization's threads" I almost fell off my chair laughing at this one. No one in the history of Eve could ever bluster and waffle more than the SF surely.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.24 20:55:00 - [259] New notifications of -10 standings with 24 hour notice issued at 21:00 hours - 24/11. Frozen Dawn Militia [FDMIL] The Nameless Ones [N-O] Space Marine Academy [1SMA] Muramasa Blade [MURAM] Immortalis Licentia [C3NTI] True Knowledge

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