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Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 02:03:00 - [1] With the Star Fraction campaign against the 24th Crusade entering its 151st day with another largely successful period of combat victories and generally unchallenged presence in Kamela System the time has come to clear up some accounts with various minor supporters of the 24th Crusade and clarify standings to the benefit of our rules of engagement. Star Fraction is an NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot) organization and though we have the core 24th Crusade and the huge majority of significant nationalist capsuleer corporations tagged -10 already, we hereby give fair notice of our intention to set any other 24th Crusade affiliates resident in or patrolling around Kamela to negative standings with a 24 hour warning at our discretion. We will keep this thread updated as new entities are given notice to quit the 24th Crusade. * To the following organizations we give fair warning. You have 24 hours to undertake a public commitment to quit the 24th Crusade and return your corporation to neutral capsuleer endeavours or the Star Fraction will adjust your specific standings to -10 and authorize full engagement freedom to our pilots. * Lotus Megra [LBLAK] - Hanz Wazkminerador Commando Central [CTRAL] Cmte Menezes Deus Imperiosus Acies [XDIAX] Invelious Poseidon's Wingmen [SENEX] Iceguerilla *** This thread is for information purposes and is to the benefit of those entities named as they will receive fair warning of incoming aggression and we will honour our rules of engagement in the warzone. By all means use this thread for commentary on topic, but I'd ask commentators neutral or otherwise to discuss general issues and random propaganda pertaining to Operation Castrato in the original thread. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.01 06:53:00 - [2] Originally by: Jade Constantine This thread is for information purposes and is to the benefit of those entities named as they will receive fair warning of incoming aggression and we will honour our rules of engagement in the warzone. What were the results of the diplomatic negotiations prior to issuing this threat of force? Originally by: The Cosmopolite We on the other hand prefer to encourage and we prefer to demonstrate by our own example. We prefer persuasion to his preference of coercion. Or do you, ms. Constantine, consider your threat 'persuasion' in the sense of the SF doctrine as proposed by The Cosmopolite above? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Graelyn Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.01 10:26:00 - [3] Within a week of my move to DIA, threats from SF. Delicious! Good luck in Kamela. Let us know when you plan on attending the actual conflict zone. I'm sure someone distracted from the actual war objectives (and the militia has plenty of fighters enrolling themselves on the winning side just for kicks, I'm sure we all agree) would be glad to bother taking down more of your horrifically-fitted carriers. And no, you cannot control the thread. Mirth and mocking of your sad, failed efforts to stop the victory of the Crusade will go on wherever folks will them. Attempts to direct the retorts of those you threaten smacks a bit of Keiron... For those just tuning in, let me paraphrase the illustrious efforts of the mighty Star Fraction: SF: We're going to stop Amarr! Amarr: Heh, ok. takes systems from the Minmatar SF: Why aren't you fighting us? You're scared! Amarr: Ok. takes systems from the Minmatar SF: That's IT! We're setting you to -10! Amarr: Excelsior! Takes systems from the Minmatar I know you desperately want this conflict to be about you. How frustrating it must be to realize it is not! The solution is, of course, to claim new objectives, to say you were never interested in stopping the crusade from winning the war, a "we didn't want that region anyways" approach, as the late BoB Alliance might say. That is wise, since you have proven unable to stop the Crusade. See you on the field, if we get bored I guess... Graelyn toasts a glass of wine absentmindedly
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 14:01:00 - [4] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 01/05/2009 14:03:03 Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Jade Constantine This thread is for information purposes and is to the benefit of those entities named as they will receive fair warning of incoming aggression and we will honour our rules of engagement in the warzone. What were the results of the diplomatic negotiations prior to issuing this threat of force? There were none. The actions taken are in line with our policy with regard to the militias that we consider hostile. As of our change in stance to the Minmatar militia, this still includes the 24th Imperial Crusade. A notice period of 24 hours during which all the organizations listed may request diplomacy before hostilities commence has been given. They may also request diplomacy after this has expired. However, our view is simple enough, active support of the Amarr empire's military adventures is sufficient grounds for viewing an entity as a threat. Affiliation to the 24th Imperial Crusade is sufficient evidence of such active support. Quote: Originally by: The Cosmopolite We on the other hand prefer to encourage and we prefer to demonstrate by our own example. We prefer persuasion to his preference of coercion. Or do you, ms. Constantine, consider your threat 'persuasion' in the sense of the SF doctrine as proposed by The Cosmopolite above? All the entities involved are actively engaged in supporting military adventures backed by the Amarr Empire and are supporters of its policies of enslavement and conquest. They are already in the category of initiating violence and supporting the initiation of violence against any who oppose the Amarr Empire. The use of violence to oppose, stymie and reverse them is entirely legitimate. This is in stark contrast to the policies of the Amarr Empire which has repeatedly used violence against those who offered none or were incapable of offering any. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.01 16:06:00 - [5] Hmmm, so SF is now wasting their time in Kamela instead of Arzad?
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.01 16:24:00 - [6] What were the results of the diplomatic negotiations prior to issuing this threat of force? Originally by: The Cosmopolite There were none. Just making sure that you are not even trying to talk to parties that join the 24th Imperial Crusade. So much for SF preference of persuasion above coercion... Incidentally, the general demeanor of your CEO: 'Wardec or STFU', 'prove it in space', seems to indicate a marked preference for coercion above persuasion. Hence your claim that Star Fraction prefers persuasion above coercion seems hollow. In fact, which war or KOS declarations made by Star Fraction were preceded with rounds of diplomatic negotations? And how do they relate to non-diplomatic declarations? 5%, less? How many threads have been started by Star Fraction on the IGS intended to persuade other parties to adapt their policies, as opposed threads started with war declarations, KOS declarations or threats to that effect? Two, one, zero? You must no doubt have noticed I have did start many threads explaining Amarrian customs, and trying to persuade others to see the light through non-forceful means. I rarely threaten during these discussions. To argue that I prefer coercion and Star Fraction persuasion is laughable. Yet you keep wondering why people think Star Fraction are a bunch of hypocrites? Star Fraction needs to shape up and either accept their failure to be Political Anarchists, or kick out their CEO. Anything else will continue damage their public image. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 18:05:00 - [7] On 01/05 19:00 hours we're adding notice of standings change to the following 24th Crusade affiliates: (remember the named organizations are entirely welcome to contact us diplomatically and/or take steps to distance themselves from the corrupt memetic taint of Amarrian Nationalism). * La Santa Companya [SA-CO] mandoble Shadow Rebellion** [.SRN] Falconhawk ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.05.01 18:32:00 - [8] Please add us to your kos list if we are not there yet. We are mostly nationalistic ammarians and we fight against any kind of freedom fighters that are working against amarr interest.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 18:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Nur AlHuda Please add us to your kos list if we are not there yet. We are mostly nationalistic ammarians and we fight against any kind of freedom fighters that are working against amarr interest. You are already set as such. See you in space. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Dangerous Vixen Ebon Seraph	Posted - 2009.05.01 19:56:00 - [10] Ebon Seraph [E.S.] - Dangerous Vixen Thought I would assist you Jade. Adjust your standings accordingly.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 20:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Dangerous Vixen Ebon Seraph [E.S.] - Dangerous Vixen Thought I would assist you Jade. Adjust your standings accordingly. Much obliged. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Dangerous Vixen Ebon Seraph [E.S.] - Dangerous Vixen Thought I would assist you Jade. Adjust your standings accordingly. Much obliged. Wow, more help for SF, you couldnt do it with the minnies helping you, or with Heretics there too, now we have ebon seraph out here, hmmm who are they again?
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Merdaneth What were the results of the diplomatic negotiations prior to issuing this threat of force? Originally by: The Cosmopolite There were none. Just making sure that you are not even trying to talk to parties that join the 24th Imperial Crusade. So much for SF preference of persuasion above coercion... Merdaneth, let us be clear, you and those like you are enemies. The people we have set -10 are enemies. You support slavery and you support conquest by force of those who wish nothing but to be left alone to get on with their individual and independent lives. You don't merit diplomacy until you repudiate your belief that anyone who does not believe as you do should be forcibly enslaved and all their progeny fed lies and drugs for generations until down the line their descendents are 'enlightened'. Now, you are in no position to lecture us. We have had many years of practising our doctrine of persuasion above violence. We are known as people who maintain our word and honour agreements. Ideological enemies say not. This is not really a surprise. But over the years, many who fight us for other reasons have recognised the worth of our diplomacy and respected it, even if they don't agree with us. We prefer persuasion and we will always try to persuade those we believe will listen with an open mind. Any neutral will be negotiated with. Any hostile that asks for talks will find us ready to talk. Any war enemy who wishes to sue for peace will find us open-minded. But know this, you and you ilk are our deadly foes and we will use violence to oppose you wherever and whenever it is the surest means to stop you. We know that as long as you remain committed to the vile policies of the Amarr Empire and continue to actively support it, there is no meaningful diplomacy to be had. That is our judgement. Call us hypocrites all you like, in your mouth the word is ringingly hollow. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Dangerous Vixen Ebon Seraph	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:38:00 - [14] We are certainly not going to be helping SF. We don't have to explain ourselves. Maybe you should do some research.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 01/05/2009 21:41:04 Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 01/05/2009 21:38:56 Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Dangerous Vixen Ebon Seraph [E.S.] - Dangerous Vixen Thought I would assist you Jade. Adjust your standings accordingly. Much obliged. Wow, more help for SF, you couldnt do it with the minnies helping you, or with Heretics there too, now we have ebon seraph out here, hmmm who are they again? D.V. is "assisting" SF by telling them to set Ebon Seraph negative as it is part of the Amarrian militia. My question would be: what is the point of this thread? Letting people know you have set them negative when you have already declared that you are going to set anyone helping the militia as negative seems a bit pointless, no? Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri My question would be: what is the point of this thread? For you? There is no point to the thread. You are already -10. You can go now. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.01 23:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri My question would be: what is the point of this thread? For you? There is no point to the thread. You are already -10. You can go now. LOL, you speak like you have a level of authority, I find this amusing. I look forward to the fail train of your next operation.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.02 03:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Jade Constantine For you? There is no point to the thread. You are already -10. You can go now. And what makes you think that I was asking about the point of the thread for me? I do not need your help to ascertain that the only point of this thread for my own purposes is potential amusement at your expense. No, I am afraid that I see no purpose for your thread to exist. Unless you actively want to advertise that your intelligence capabilities as an organisation are of such a low quality that you have failed up to this point to enact a policy which you stated you were enacting months ago. I mean, it could be an attempt to suggest that SF is actually relevant in the war theater, but if that is the case you probably should have waited till you actually got some poor craven to quit the militia on account of your threats. It would not change the fact that you are an utterly irrelevant force in the universe, but it would at least give some substance to your thread. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.02 05:59:00 - [19] Edited by: Merdaneth on 02/05/2009 05:59:22 Originally by: The Cosmopolite Merdaneth, let us be clear, you and those like you are enemies. Cosmopolite, let me be clear: A. You say SF prefers persuasion to coercion B. All organizations who desire to hold space and have cultures that support are your enemies C. You don't talk to your enemies (diplomacy), you shoot them (coercion) D. Nearly all organizations in New Eden either desire to hold space or support entities that desire to hold space E. You have talked to some of the organization that fall under D, like Electus Matari. F. You refuse to talk to or persuade other organizations that fall under D. G. You don't practice persuasion: 99% of all Star Fraction actions are coercion-related. H. You are hypocrites. The only additional point you bring suddenly bring here is that you don't talk to organizations that "don't have an open mind?". Suddenly another qualifier needs to be introduced to cover up SF lies and hypocrisy. Well then, please tell is, how do you ascertain this open-minded ability? You don't even try to practice diplomacy with to them.... I believe the truly close-minded ones are member of the Star Fraction, mr. Cosmopolite. If it isn't obvious already, let me spell it out to you: 1. Your CEO doesn't wish to talk to these organizations 2. Your CEO is out for blood and glory (no doubt you must have noticed her constant desire to engage in grand fleet battles) 3. Your CEO does not care for your vaunted political anarchism. At all. 4. All of Star Fraction is subservient to its tyrant CEO. Oppose her openly and get kicked out. Quote: We prefer persuasion and we will always try to persuade those we believe will listen with an open mind. Any neutral will be negotiated with. Lies. By your own and your CEO's admission, the corporations you set to red at the start of this thread were neutral to you. Otherwise, it would not have been necessary to 'set them to red' or announce it. By your own admittance you did not negotiate with them prior to setting them to red. How can you sit there with a straight face and spout obvious lies? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Graelyn Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.02 06:05:00 - [20] Quote: How can you sit there with a straight face and spout obvious lies? Years of practice?
BattleStar Crusader Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium	Posted - 2009.05.02 11:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri My question would be: what is the point of this thread? For you? There is no point to the thread. You are already -10. You can go now. Again another thread of SF making empty threats and throwing they're huge egos around. No wonder you need the minnies help.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.02 12:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri No, I am afraid that I see no purpose for your thread to exist. Well I see no purpose for you to exist but I imagine we'll both have to learn to live with a certain level of disappointment on that score. Until then I will be killing 24th Crusade affiliates and our rules of engagement require a period of notification before standings change. As ever diplomatic options exist for those who are prepared to recant their support of a foul cause espoused by a bankrupt tyrant coddled by a dream of imperialist enclosure. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.02 14:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Merdaneth A. You say SF prefers persuasion to coercion B. All organizations who desire to hold space and have cultures that support are your enemies C. You don't talk to your enemies (diplomacy), you shoot them (coercion) D. Nearly all organizations in New Eden either desire to hold space or support entities that desire to hold space E. You have talked to some of the organization that fall under D, like Electus Matari. F. You refuse to talk to or persuade other organizations that fall under D. G. You don't practice persuasion: 99% of all Star Fraction actions are coercion-related. H. You are hypocrites. I'll deal with your points in turn. A: True. I do and we do. B: False. We've not declared that all entities that wish to hold space are our enemies. So that's lie number one on your part. C: False. We open talks with some enemies where we judge there is merit in doing so and we will always be willing to talk to any enemy that wishes to open talks with us. So that's lie number two on your part. D: Possibly true but not all such entities are the same in overall aims and ideology. Some are amenable to persuasion, some are not. I know that you like to construct arguments where everyone is either in category A or category B. I don't accept the merit of such arguments. They are specious. E: True and far more than you know about because we don't discuss our diplomatic conversations in public unless all parties agree to publicise certain aspects. F: False. We refuse to talk to nobody. You appear not to notice that this thread is in part an invitation to talk to us. It's laughable that you could 'spout' such an obvious lie. This is lie number three on your part. G: False. We practice persuasion very often. The claim that 99% of our activity is coercion is simply a base smear for which you have zero evidence. This is lie number four on your part. H: This is a false accusation but you don't use the term honestly so I'll let it go as you just venting your spleen with a thoughtless insult that you don't really understand. Four lies and a parroting of the stock insult. This is an argument by your lights? Rather sad. Now, you've also accused us of creating 'another qualifier' for our actions. I'm sorry, this is false. Our position on those who actively support the Amarr Empire has been clear for years. We reserve to ourselves the right to set as hostile those who we consider to be actively supporting hostile powers in their military adventures and expansionism. All that the current proxy-warfare brought was a new means by which to establish active support: affiliation to hostile empire militias. Your additional remarks about our CEO are simply smears with no basis in fact. I think you need to calm down. Originally by: Merdaneth Quote: We prefer persuasion and we will always try to persuade those we believe will listen with an open mind. Any neutral will be negotiated with. Lies. By your own and your CEO's admission, the corporations you set to red at the start of this thread were neutral to you. Otherwise, it would not have been necessary to 'set them to red' or announce it. By your own admittance you did not negotiate with them prior to setting them to red. How can you sit there with a straight face and spout obvious lies? It is not a lie because those corporations were not set red at the start of this thread, which you'd know if you actually read what we say instead of looking for sentences to quote out of context. The thread gives 24-hours notice before they are set red. It's announcing that we no longer view them as neutral and giving fair notice. A neutral is someone who remains neutral. If someone takes hostile action against us, they're not neutral and we set them red and then we may enter into diplomacy. Similarly, those who are active members of the militia by fact of membership and being active in the warzone are given notice of red status and are quite free to talk to us. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.02 20:38:00 - [24] Cosmopolite, I am simple looking towards understanding, but the ways of Star Fraction are murkier than a pit of stagnant filth. Originally by: The Cosmopolite B: False. We've not declared that all entities that wish to hold space are our enemies. So that's lie number one on your part. I think this is merely a difference in our definition of enemies. But I fully concur that you do not set all space-holding entities automatically to red. I did not intend my statement in that way. Originally by: The Cosmopolite C: False. We open talks with some enemies where we judge there is merit in doing so and we will always be willing to talk to any enemy that wishes to open talks with us. So that's lie number two on your part. This is false. Please re-read an earlier claim about the policy of Star fraction: Originally by: The Cosmopolite Will you attack all territorial alliances? No. Only those those that bring hostility to us and are completely unreachable by diplomatic and philosophical conversation from the dead-end street of xenophobic territorialism; there is much value in debating political paradigms with the leaders of alliances. We believe have good arguments and persuasive military and economic heft to employ in such debates. The freespace, posthumanist geist is a powerful force in and of itself. Did the corporations you set to red in this thread bring hostility to you? No. Were they unreachable by diplomatic and philosphical conversation. We don't know the answer to that because you didn't even try. Originally by: The Cosmopolite F: False. We refuse to talk to nobody. You appear not to notice that this thread is in part an invitation to talk to us. It's laughable that you could 'spout' such an obvious lie. This is lie number three on your part. Now you are being a literalist. Context indicates clearly that what was meant is that you prefer coercion above talking to these organizations. Please respond again. Originally by: The Cosmopolite G: False. We practice persuasion very often. The claim that 99% of our activity is coercion is simply a base smear for which you have zero evidence. This is lie number four on your part. Indeed. My observation is simply based in the observable behaviour of the Star Fraction, as (neccessarily) is your opinion about loyalists or myself. If you have evidence to the contrary, say that you present me with 2 corporations you have tried to persuade for each one you tried to coerce into some course of action, I'm quite willing to listen. Perhaps if you present some more evidence of the apparently friendly side of Star Fraction, rather than the constant drums of war beaten by your CEO, people might actually start believing you actually try to talk others out of a certain course of action. Originally by: The Cosmopolite We reserve to ourselves the right to set as hostile those who we consider to be actively supporting hostile powers in their military adventures and expansionism. There is no 'reservation of rights', that is like saying: we want to talk to everyone first, but we reserve the right to shoot everyone first if we think it good. And then proceed shooting nearly everyone first and rarely talking to anyone first. That is the core of your hypocrisy. Originally by: The Cosmopolite The thread gives 24-hours notice before they are set red. It's announcing that we no longer view them as neutral and giving fair notice. Either they were already enemies, or the weren't. Make up your mind. Originally by: The Cosmopolite A neutral is someone who remains neutral. A neutral is someone you have not yet set to red for some arbitrary reason. After all, you reserve the right to delcare anyone an enemy for whatever reason. You statement is hollow. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.02 20:42:00 - [25] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Your additional remarks about our CEO are simply smears with no basis in fact. I think you need to calm down. My remarks do have a basis in fact. Please re-read your CEO's responses in many of these threads. The remarks I made are not facts, they are merely my interpretations of the facts presented to me. However, even the unschooled can clearly recognize a narcissistic megalomaniac tyrant in the public image of Jade Constantine. However, I will do some additional research into this matter if that would satisfy you. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.02 21:30:00 - [26] Merdaneth, I do not intend to play quotation wars with you and, as you've moved into chopping up text, I'll respond only to that which appears to actually require refutation. You have made false claims about us and it's not for me to prove them false. You're the one making allegations, you're the one who needs to provide evidence. Anything you say without evidence is just a rant without any foundation. I am not granting that you should be provided evidence to counter claims for which you have provided zero evidence. I note also that when you make a false claim and are caught out on it you complain that I am being a 'literalist'. Well, you are the one who likes to shift from literal facts to 'interpretations' to commentary to suit your third-rate debating society mode of argumentation. I take a consistent line with your remarks. If they are literally untrue, I'm going to say so. It's just too bad if you don't like that. We open talks with some enemies where we judge there is merit in doing so and we will always be willing to talk to any enemy that wishes to open talks with us. That's a fact and no amount of you saying otherwise makes it otherwise. I stand by what you quoted and note in passing it is in reference to independent and territorial capsuleer alliances in 0.0. I think people should note that this is another instance of you grabbing at any quote and trying to twist it for your purposes. The corporations that are being given notice in this thread are affiliated to the 24th Imperial Crusade and are actively engaged in the expansionist war being prosecuted by the Amarr Empire. We oppose the Empire and its policies and we will fight those who crusade on its behalf: they are our enemies. When we recognise militia corporations as such we will give them notice of it. Overall, you just don't seem to understand that we're under no obligation to initiate talks with enemies. If they want to talk to us, that's fine, we will listen and we will even call a truce if they wish for the duration of talks. We've done this in the past. In the case of the organizations in question, we've made a judgement. It was not arbitrary. It was made on a quite clear and now long-established basis. They actively support the Amarr Empire. This is shown by their membership of the Amarr militia. They are active in space in the conflict zone. We've set them as hostile with 24 hours of notice. They have to option to talk to us and we'll listen. The facts are that the vast majority of entities we have set red have been set red because they carried out hostile acts against us. This includes many of the Amarr militia corporations and it includes every single vassal of the CVA that we have set red. It includes literally hundreds of pirate and 0.0 enclosurist corporations and alliances. Many of these simply refused to talk at our request. Some we didn't negotiate because we recognised the nature of the entity meant talk without showing our ability to defend ourselves would be futile. Pirates and certain 0.0 alliances commonly fall into that category. We have been monitoring the Amarr militia and it is quite clear that the active forces, seen regularly in space, are committed to support of the Amarr Empire and its doctrine of enslavement and conquest. These people have declared their values and they act on them. These people support our future enslavement. We're going to oppose them with force because we see it as the most effective means to oppose them. This is sad but regret about it is not going to shake our resolve. Your desire for pointless talk and misdirection is not going to find an echo in the way we conduct our diplomacy. These people have had fair warning. If they wish to talk, they are free to contact us. If they don't, that's up to them. They don't need a wormtongue like you to speak for them. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.03 00:52:00 - [27] Mr. Cosmopolite, Star Fraction policy continues to be at odds with other Star Fraction statements. I have no trouble in understanding Star Fraction policy if I ignore Star Fraction political and philosophical statements (as I have no doubt many readers here do). It is just when you attempt to add 'anarchist flavor' to your organization that it gets hard to understand. While I do not doubt Star Fraction may indeed harbor a few true anarchists, I believe the current dominance of your CEO and her hunger for power and recognition overrules any anarchist principles that might apply. Ms. Constantine expresses constant pride at Star Fraction's combat activities, but rarely does the same with diplomatic victories. She often ends discussions by retorting something in the vein of 'prove it in space', and hence I cannot but conclude that she seems to prefers to let guns do the talking. As an outsider I must conclude that combat victories matter much more to her than diplomatic victories. To then tell me that she, as titular head of the Star Fraction, endorses a philosophy of persuasion above coercion and of talking above shooting is a little too much for me to take. For each sermon Archbishop publishes, ms. Constantine (or you) publish an ultimatum, war declaration or war report. To call us people who prefer coercion and call yourselves people that prefer persuasion seems rather at odds with your public actions. Ms. Constantine often publicly wonders why so few Praetorians 'meet her in space', apparently oblivious to the fact that many Praetorians have other duties besides the constant waging of war. Does she not realize this? The public image of Star Fraction is that of an alliance of warriors with big mouths and expensive words dominated by a tyrant CEO, not an alliance of philosophical freespacers and equals trying to persuade other parties of their ideology rather than coerce others. Perhaps this picture doesn't do justice to the reality of Star Fraction. But unless I receive new facts that disprove my theory above, I simply must go with a theory that is supported by the available facts. As ideological opponent of the Political Anarchy, and frequent subject of Star Fraction aggression, I see no reason not to point out these flaws on the IGS, where everyone is able to see them. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.05.03 11:16:00 - [28] Quote: D. Nearly all organizations in New Eden either desire to hold space or support entities that desire to hold space E. You have talked to some of the organization that fall under D, like Electus Matari. Electus Matari does not hold space, nor has any desire or intent to start claiming territory. We support the Minmatar Republic's claim to theirs, but very explicitly have always supported the right to unaffiliated pilots to move and operate in Republic space, given that they do not commit crimes. Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat Electus Matari -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.03 13:28:00 - [29] Details and fine distinctions are not something Merdaneth ever lets get in the way of one of his sophomoric smears, Diplomat Rhiannon, but I commend you for putting the record right on the point relevant to you. Now, understanding anarchism seems difficult in its entirety for these Amarrian paramilities and I will discuss it elsewhere as I see no point in carrying on the same conversation in two threads. My main business today is to announce that all Amarr militia affiliates put on notice in this thread to date have now been set to -10 with in all cases a minimum of 24 hours elapsing from their mention in this thread and the standing being adjusted. For convenience, I will recap the list so far: Lotus Negra [LBLAK] Comando Central [CTRAL] Deus Imperiosus Acies [XDIAX] Poseidon's Wingmen [SENEX] La Santa Companya [SA-CO] Shadow Rebellion [.SRN] Gentlemen's Gaming and Fisticuff's Union [GGFU] The Lost Legion [LOLE] PROMETHEUS SQUADRON [PSDQ] SEPULCRO [SEPU] Ebon Seraph [E.S.] As ever, if any representative from these organizations (or indeed any other we have set red) wishes to talk to us, we will listen to what they have to say. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.03 14:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Electus Matari does not hold space, nor has any desire or intent to start claiming territory. We support the Minmatar Republic's claim to theirs, but very explicitly have always supported the right to unaffiliated pilots to move and operate in Republic space, given that they do not commit crimes. PIE is exactly the same ms. Rhiannon. However, Star Fraction is attacking us for supporting a space holding entity (the Amarr Empire) and we are not deemed worthy for diplomacy. Obviously, this difference between us cannot be found in our common lack of desire to hold space. Hence it must be found elsewhere, in something not dictated by the Star Fraction philosophy. The best the Cosmopolite could come up with was to add the qualifier 'having an open mind' as why they talk to you, but won't talk to us. Obviously this is an ill-defined and extremely subjective term and Star Fraction's terrible general policy to judge people as lacking an 'open mind' without even trying to open communications first only adds to this. It is completely clear to me why we are enemies ms. Rhiannon, and what your issues are with me. As for Star Fraction, apparently I am guilty of having a 'closed mind' and that is enough for them to target me for termination. Electus Matari and PIE have had many conflicts. However, there have been attempts to prevent or resolve these conflicts through diplomacy. The fact that diplomacy was generally unsuccessful has not made us decide to 'solely talk with our guns' in the future. I believe Electus Matari has stronger reasons to oppose PIE and refuse diplomatic contact than Star Fraction has. Hence my theory is that the aggression against PIE and other loyalist in combination with refusal to practice diplomacy is largely an extension of the obsession of the current Star Fraction CEO. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery

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