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Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2009.05.11 11:25:00 - [61] Originally by: Tom Hanks ...and yes, anyone who says a caracal or ferox is great pvp ship is on drugs. They are terrible. If I go into a battle against them, I know I am fighting noobs. They may as well not even show up. This is the sentiment in every gang I've ever been out with and every fight I've been in for as long as I can remember. Thanks for being one of the few sane people in this thread.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.11 12:15:00 - [62] Quote: What do you call sniping? Most HAC's can't snipe out past 100km. A brutix/sentry Myrm/arty cane/harbinger will all hit out to similar ranges for better DPS than the Ferox. The ferox can theoretically hit out slightly further - which is unecessary, since it still can't hit out past 150km without gimping it to non-existent DPS and doesn't need to anyway. Most HACs start sniping from 100km. You can expect them to be at 100-110km distance. Brutix: Forget it, you can only reach it deep into fall off. Which means it will perform far worse than ferox Myrm: Yep it can reach it, allthough if you move you will leave behind your drones all the time. Hurricane: Well be DEEP into fall off, far worse than ferox. Harbinger: Hahahahahha. Do you even read what you write? There is no way a harbinger reacher sniper hac ranges.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2009.05.11 13:44:00 - [63] Originally by: Dasalt Istgut Originally by: Tom Hanks ...and yes, anyone who says a caracal or ferox is great pvp ship is on drugs. They are terrible. If I go into a battle against them, I know I am fighting noobs. They may as well not even show up. This is the sentiment in every gang I've ever been out with and every fight I've been in for as long as I can remember. Thanks for being one of the few sane people in this thread. The Ferox is an adequate PVP ship in that it can deliver consistant (albiet low) damage at fantastic ranges - it's not particularly great at much of anything but it can fill a role. The Caracal is an excellent ship (in as much as any T1 cruiser can be called excellent) so long as one realizes that it's various quirks (read: flaws) point it towards a single role: anti-frigate doom machine. If your gang has no need to reach 100+ km and already has the anti-frigate role covered well enough (through drones or whatever else) then, yes, the two ships listed are indeed sub-par for the gang.
lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.05.11 15:07:00 - [64] Edited by: lollerwaffle on 11/05/2009 15:14:13 Edited by: lollerwaffle on 11/05/2009 15:08:51 Originally by: Dasalt Istgut Point me to one of your Ferox/Moa/Caracal/Raven/Rokh losses. Of the list the only one you have on your loss boards is the Drake, which isn't terrible but still isn't as good as a Hurricane/Harbinger. Is it really that hard to not be full of **** on these boards and stop posting that things are good which you won't even fly yourself? I dont fly battleships, so sorry if I can't point you to any of my losses. However, I can and probably will direct some of my corpmates who DO fly caldari battleships here. Also, experience in fighting corpmates's ships as well as other fights against said ships (flown by comnpetent pilots) contributes to my opinion on those ships. Another reason for not flying the caldari gunboats is the lack of t2 weapons, and I refuse to fly a ship if I can't even fit t2 guns on it. Again, I refer you to the other pilots in my corp who DO fly those ships and enjoy success in them. Regarding the lack of flying (and losing) caracals, I don't see myself filling that role (antifrigate platform) due to my daily activities in lowsec meaning I have to tank sentries. Besides our corp is a small one with 3-6 members on at most, and thus I do not have the option of flying one nor do I get into a lot of situations where I should be flying one. Furthermore, a quick search on your pilot shows no records on battleclinic, no recorded killboards. So would you care to post with whatever character you PVP with in order that I may form a proper rebuttal based on what ships you have experience flying and fighting? Is it really that hard not flame incessantly and use language that degrades yourself just because someone disagrees with your opinions, when you don't have anything to prove otherwise in terms of kill records? edit: caldari ships are meant fill a role, and they fill it well. If you can't see anything other than PVP with 15 man armour RR gangs or solo, then maybe you should broaden your horizons a bit.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.05.11 17:39:00 - [65] Edited by: Gypsio III on 11/05/2009 17:47:47 Originally by: Tom Hanks and yes, anyone who says a caracal is great pvp ship is on drugs. They are terrible. If I go into a battle against them, I know I am fighting noobs. If you had all your SP in Gallente (probably worst PVP race right now) or Amarr, you'd still be a clueless noob. But, hey, I enjoy slaughtering people's expensive inties and AFs in a Caracal, so carry right on thinking "lol lolacal kill it... erm... oh. refuses to post lossmail".
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.11 17:43:00 - [66] Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Originally by: Lovely Lily ok i don't see how you can say caracal is a good ship.... i fought 2 caracals in a total T1 fit rifter and won, not a single named or t2 fit mod at all, granted the 2nd caracal got concorded, but he managed to get 2 volleys off before that happened, also the rupture is a great PvP ship and is definitely not "rubbish" PvP is about doing more dmg to others and taking less dmg yourself. so if you can take out their HACS and Recons with a rupture your causing serious damage to their wallet. cheaper is always better, enough said. oh and all caldari ships do suck i've fought all of them and flown all of them and they suck. epic fail. The Caracal is a great low cost option for younger players and people claim its fail because they don't fly it properly, they fit tackle and a poor tank and then try to go toe to toe with stuff they really shouldn't. In a small gang I would rather have a Caracal than any other T1 cruiser, Why? Because properly flown it will be 50-60km away from the fight providing constant damage throughout the whole of the fight where as all those other awesome cruisers will be long dead and dead ships don't accomplish much, a Thorax is dead in the opening seconds of a gang fight quickly followed by any Ruptures because any FC knows they do a lot of damage but are squishy and go down fast so they get rid of those first. So the "crap" Caracal has been there the whole fight and done damage for the whole fight. I can confirm this. Just for the comedy value, we took out a 20 man gang of T1 cruisers just recently, and I was right near the top of the killmails for every single one in my Caracal.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.11 17:43:00 - [67] Originally by: Dasalt Istgut Originally by: Tom Hanks ...and yes, anyone who says a caracal or ferox is great pvp ship is on drugs. They are terrible. If I go into a battle against them, I know I am fighting noobs. They may as well not even show up. This is the sentiment in every gang I've ever been out with and every fight I've been in for as long as I can remember. Thanks for being one of the few sane people in this thread. Ferox I'd agree with, Caracal - you're doing it wrong.
deathscyth76 Caldari Holy Knights X The Last Stand	Posted - 2009.05.11 21:23:00 - [68] Originally by: me bored Caldari are just as good as any other race for pvp. I'm convinced that most of the whining comes from carebears who are shocked to discover that they have to drop one of their 20 shield hardeners to fit a point. /Noob question The term "Point" has been used often. What is it? "Just put down the laser, Give me all your ISKies - And everyone walks out alive.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.05.11 21:44:00 - [69] Originally by: deathscyth76 Originally by: me bored Caldari are just as good as any other race for pvp. I'm convinced that most of the whining comes from carebears who are shocked to discover that they have to drop one of their 20 shield hardeners to fit a point. /Noob question The term "Point" has been used often. What is it? Warp disruptor. Called such because it's 1 point of tackling (offseting by 1 warp core stabiliser) to distinguish it from a scrambler, which is two points.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.05.11 22:02:00 - [70] Originally by: Dasalt Istgut Is it really that hard to not be full of **** on these boards and stop posting that things are good which you won't even fly yourself? You are asking for too much...
Shadow Devourer	Posted - 2009.05.11 22:17:00 - [71] Caldari will always be fine to anyone not flying them. Personally I'll stick with amarr and gallente tyvm. Originally by: Gypsio III If you had all your SP in Gallente (probably worst PVP race right now) or Amarr, you'd still be a clueless noob. But, hey, I enjoy slaughtering people's expensive inties and AFs in a Caracal, so carry right on thinking "lol lolacal kill it... erm... oh. refuses to post lossmail". That's great and all but what about fighting other (properly fit) cruisers? Here's how fitting a caracal goes: fit 5 heavies t2, fit mwd. Fit lse... nope. Out of grid. It's like a caldari omen.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.05.11 22:19:00 - [72] Originally by: Shadow Devourer That's great and all but what about fighting other (properly fit) cruisers? Here's how fitting a caracal goes: fit 5 heavies t2, fit mwd. Fit lse... nope. Out of grid. It's like a caldari omen. Actually every caldari ships run out of pg when you fit up half the modules a pvp ship needs.
Shadow Devourer	Posted - 2009.05.11 22:22:00 - [73] Originally by: Sangost Originally by: Naomi Knight What exactly makes caldari great at gang pvp?:O Drakes, one of the better tankers and can mount warfare link modules. Caracal, good heavy tackler Raven, good for RRBS POSprey, need I say more Haha oh wow you're a bucket of lulz. Drakes with warfare links are rare. So rare I have yet to see one in game. Raven sucks in armor rr gangs. No really it will either have low damage or **** poor tank. Unless you meant shield rr in which case: lol. POS osrey? are you serious!?
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.05.11 22:25:00 - [74] Originally by: Shadow Devourer POS osrey? are you serious!? Yeah , you can run into half shield poses anytime on a roaming ,didnt you know? Then you would wish you came with an osprey and not in a zealot.
Shadow Devourer	Posted - 2009.05.11 22:28:00 - [75] Edited by: Shadow Devourer on 11/05/2009 22:30:57 Originally by: Naomi Knight Actually every caldari ships run out of pg when you fit up half the modules a pvp ship needs. Lets not exagerate. Drakes can get a fine fit without gang link. Rokh is real easy to fit. Kestrels are a ***** but it's for balance reasons. It really depends. Torp ravens work as long as you accept sacrificing extra lows to fitting mods. Yes that includes PDS. Funny thing that because a close range armor bs with a fitting mod would be a lolfit. v0v
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.05.11 22:33:00 - [76] Edited by: Naomi Knight on 11/05/2009 22:35:34 Originally by: Shadow Devourer Edited by: Shadow Devourer on 11/05/2009 22:30:57 Originally by: Naomi Knight Actually every caldari ships run out of pg when you fit up half the modules a pvp ship needs. Lets not exagerate. Drakes can get a fine fit without gang link. Rokh is real easy to fit. Kestrels are a ***** but it's for balance reasons. It really depends. Torp ravens work as long as you accept sacrificing extra lows to fitting mods. Yes that includes PDS. Funny thing that because a close range armor bs with a fitting mod would be a lolfit. v0v Whats your drake fit, because mines use rcu/pg ? Oh and they will say if it is not 7*ham t2 then it is a faildrake. Snipe rokh needs a rcu , kestrel is t1 frig dont use it, raven still needs a fitting mod also dont use it in fleets.
Shadow Devourer	Posted - 2009.05.11 22:36:00 - [77] 7 ham t2 / empty slot lse invuln invuln mwd scram web 3 bcu dc Pretty standard. You need awu 5 and a grid implant so its not an easy fit but it works out. Unlike the caracal which sucks. No matter how many stupid frig pilots it can pwn with assaults.

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