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Haas Tabris
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:16:00 -
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If you really want to grief botters, afk'rs, industrialists and miners, it's really pretty simple. Nerf local. Make it so that a player doesn't show up in the local channel unless they type something. It's that easy.
Most of the botting programs are tied to a change in local chat (or at least that's how they worked a few years ago when someone offered to set one up for me). Nerf local and you could go kill most of the bots 'cause they wouldn't know to warp to a safe as soon as someone jumped in system.
Want to really mess with the afk miner? Or the half-afk ratter? Nerf local. Make them hit their scanner button every 2 seconds or post scouts on the gates or actually tank and stab their hulk or their ratting ship. Give the griefers REALLY good odds of catching these lazy sobs.
Want to kill a freighter or two each night? You guessed it... Nerf local. Park your gank fleet more than 14 AU off the travel line and go on a killing spree. Seriously.
Want to ambush jump freighters? Or cap ships in travel fittings? Drum roll please.... Nerf local. Your poor victims will have no way of knowing that you're cloaked up and watching their POS.
Put the fun back in EVE guys. Nerf local. Please. It's only about 9 years overdue FFS.
Oh, and if any of you so called "PVP'rs" who are just a bunch of whiney high-sec haters argue against this, well, you're just showing your true carebear colors. I'd LOVE to PVP without local. It's almost a wet dream of mine. And if you doubt me, well, this is my main and you can go check my record - I probably have more kills than you.
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Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:28:00 -
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Castor II
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:30:00 -
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Haas Tabris wrote:Give the griefers REALLY good odds of catching these lazy sobs.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
730
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:32:00 -
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Haas Tabris wrote: If you really want to grief botters, afk'rs, industrialists and miners, it's really pretty simple. Nerf local. Make it so that a player doesn't show up in the local channel unless they type something. It's that easy.
Most of the botting programs are tied to a change in local chat (or at least that's how they worked a few years ago when someone offered to set one up for me). Nerf local and you could go kill most of the bots 'cause they wouldn't know to warp to a safe as soon as someone jumped in system.
For what I know, the client gets the list of the people in local even if it won't show them (i.e. in WH). That's enough for a injection + bot software to detect those who come in and react like they appeared in local. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
34
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:35:00 -
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Haas Tabris wrote: If you really want to grief botters, afk'rs, industrialists and miners, it's really pretty simple. Nerf local. Make it so that a player doesn't show up in the local channel unless they type something. It's that easy.
Most of the botting programs are tied to a change in local chat (or at least that's how they worked a few years ago when someone offered to set one up for me). Nerf local and you could go kill most of the bots 'cause they wouldn't know to warp to a safe as soon as someone jumped in system.
Want to really mess with the afk miner? Or the half-afk ratter? Nerf local. Make them hit their scanner button every 2 seconds or post scouts on the gates or actually tank and stab their hulk or their ratting ship. Give the griefers REALLY good odds of catching these lazy sobs.
Want to kill a freighter or two each night? You guessed it... Nerf local. Park your gank fleet more than 14 AU off the travel line and go on a killing spree. Seriously.
Want to ambush jump freighters? Or cap ships in travel fittings? Drum roll please.... Nerf local. Your poor victims will have no way of knowing that you're cloaked up and watching their POS.
Put the fun back in EVE guys. Nerf local. Please. It's only about 9 years overdue FFS.
Oh, and if any of you so called "PVP'rs" who are just a bunch of whiney high-sec haters argue against this, well, you're just showing your true carebear colors. I'd LOVE to PVP without local. It's almost a wet dream of mine. And if you doubt me, well, this is my main and you can go check my record - I probably have more kills than you.
Are your balls so small that you can only take on indies? Not only this, but you need the element of surprise aswell. The problem with what you are asking, is that in Hi sec you cannot pre-emptive strike.
There is nothing stopping you from having your wish tho. Go into a WH. It has all your obvious pleasures, and then some. Be warned though. WH dwellers bite back. Oh does that scare you? Is this why you want Hi Sec easier one sided kills?
vOv |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
543
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:42:00 -
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Most bots from my understanding use injection into the client to control and receive the information. Local is just a GUI so in WH space that GUI is just disabled, but the information is still sent. So while this could be good for griefing semi-afk/Afk actual miners, it won't do much for bots. Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
858
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:44:00 -
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As long as delayed local is implemented in low-sec and null-sec as well. This would make stealth bombers and recon cruisers far more deadly. Mane 614
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Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:45:00 -
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Haas Tabris wrote: Oh, and if any of you so called "PVP'rs" who are just a bunch of whiney high-sec haters argue against this, well, you're just showing your true carebear colors. I'd LOVE to PVP without local. It's almost a wet dream of mine. And if you doubt me, well, this is my main and you can go check my record - I probably have more kills than you.
Ganking is not PvP. Nor is griefing. You're just a lowlife dickwad. Man-up and go find some real PvP to satisfy you. But I bet you don't dare.
It is called High Sec for a reason. Local stays. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4163
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:47:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:As long as delayed local is implemented in low-sec and null-sec as well. This would make stealth bombers and recon cruisers far more deadly.
hah
no "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
645
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Posted - 2012.05.09 08:04:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Haas Tabris wrote: Oh, and if any of you so called "PVP'rs" who are just a bunch of whiney high-sec haters argue against this, well, you're just showing your true carebear colors. I'd LOVE to PVP without local. It's almost a wet dream of mine. And if you doubt me, well, this is my main and you can go check my record - I probably have more kills than you.
Ganking is not PvP. Nor is griefing. You're just a lowlife dickwad. Man-up and go find some real PvP to satisfy you. But I bet you don't dare. It is called High Sec for a reason. Local stays. Ganking isn't pvp? Oh dear ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Francisco Bizzaro
93
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Posted - 2012.05.09 08:06:00 -
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If a human can use the d-scan to detect threats, so can a bot. And more reliably, I'd guess.
AFK people aren't influenced by local, so this won't be a nerf for them. It would probably make finding gank targets more of a hassle.
But local is both too easy and too deceptive, so I agree with the sentiment to replace it. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
645
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Posted - 2012.05.09 08:09:00 -
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Francisco Bizzaro wrote:If a human can use the d-scan to detect threats, so can a bot. And more reliably, I'd guess.
AFK people aren't influenced by local, so this won't be a nerf for them. It would probably make finding gank targets more of a hassle.
But local is both too easy and too deceptive, so I agree with the sentiment to replace it. Of of course, a bot can endlessly hit the d-scan. Much better than a person.
It's just a ganker's thinly veiled desire to have local gone so they can gank more easily. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Myxx
Blacklight Incorporated Broken Chains Alliance
520
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Posted - 2012.05.09 08:09:00 -
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to be practical, botters don't care for rules... they'd get that information somehow either by automating dscan as well or some other method.
everyone else would be ****** and it could really only serve to screw everyone else over at this point. people would still use alt eyes and other methods to check gates, stations and belts.
I can see why people would want that, im just not sure it would be good for the game. There are too many people around these days that are entirely risk averse and would probably quit over it, sadly. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.05.09 08:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Haas Tabris wrote: Oh, and if any of you so called "PVP'rs" who are just a bunch of whiney high-sec haters argue against this, well, you're just showing your true carebear colors. I'd LOVE to PVP without local. It's almost a wet dream of mine. And if you doubt me, well, this is my main and you can go check my record - I probably have more kills than you.
Ganking is not PvP. Nor is griefing. You're just a lowlife dickwad. Man-up and go find some real PvP to satisfy you. But I bet you don't dare. It is called High Sec for a reason. Local stays. Ganking isn't pvp? Oh dear ...
No. That has always been my opinion since I first started with MMORPGs. Suicide ganking a miner is not PvP because he has no reasonable chance to fight back. You want PvP? Go down to null-sec and pick on someone who can defend himself. I'm more in favour of structured and more honorable PvP +í la Battlegrounds/Scenarios in WAR or WoW. That's not to say that I'm not prepared for EVE's flavour of "PvP". I've come to accept it for what it is.
But just don't try and justify making ganking and griefing easier under the disguise of wanting to improve PvP because that's bull. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
544
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Posted - 2012.05.09 08:47:00 -
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From a PvP standpoint there are negative aspects to delayed local. So its not all in favor of the aggressor.
Now while I said I agreed with the idea, I forgot to state that for Low-Sec and Null. High-sec I'm a bit partial on, due to the fact I don't see the need of restricting it. Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
Spectre80
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
69
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Posted - 2012.05.09 08:47:00 -
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Haas Tabris wrote: If you really want to grief botters, afk'rs, industrialists and miners, it's really pretty simple. Nerf local. Make it so that a player doesn't show up in the local channel unless they type something. It's that easy.
Most of the botting programs are tied to a change in local chat (or at least that's how they worked a few years ago when someone offered to set one up for me). Nerf local and you could go kill most of the bots 'cause they wouldn't know to warp to a safe as soon as someone jumped in system.
Want to really mess with the afk miner? Or the half-afk ratter? Nerf local. Make them hit their scanner button every 2 seconds or post scouts on the gates or actually tank and stab their hulk or their ratting ship. Give the griefers REALLY good odds of catching these lazy sobs.
Want to kill a freighter or two each night? You guessed it... Nerf local. Park your gank fleet more than 14 AU off the travel line and go on a killing spree. Seriously.
Want to ambush jump freighters? Or cap ships in travel fittings? Drum roll please.... Nerf local. Your poor victims will have no way of knowing that you're cloaked up and watching their POS.
Put the fun back in EVE guys. Nerf local. Please. It's only about 9 years overdue FFS.
Oh, and if any of you so called "PVP'rs" who are just a bunch of whiney high-sec haters argue against this, well, you're just showing your true carebear colors. I'd LOVE to PVP without local. It's almost a wet dream of mine. And if you doubt me, well, this is my main and you can go check my record - I probably have more kills than you.
Nope. would just end up lots legit players quitting and bots would keep botting.
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Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.05.09 08:49:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote: Now while I said I agreed with the idea, I forgot to state that for Low-Sec and Null. High-sec I'm a bit partial on, due to the fact I don't see the need of restricting it.
Thing about Hi-Sec is...
Well, it is Hi-Sec.
Local navies and CONCORD would keep tabs on who enters the system. It makes perfect sense to keep Local as it is. |
Jonah Gravenstein
285
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Posted - 2012.05.09 10:11:00 -
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PVP without local you say? try a wormhole, the mechanic already exists there.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Freggan
Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking
13
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Posted - 2012.05.09 10:40:00 -
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I really like this idea, even the thought of it adds an exciting little chill
Only problem is it is a security area where theoretical safety is intended if not completely enforced so its not ideal for the area. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:08:00 -
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Haas Tabris wrote:
Put the fun back in EVE guys. Nerf local. Please. It's only about 9 years overdue FFS.
Well Dearest, God has apparently nerfed your head already and you STILL aren't happy ? Why do we always have to do everything for you ? Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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Mugged Yougot
NorCorp Security AAA Citizens
17
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:08:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Haas Tabris wrote: Oh, and if any of you so called "PVP'rs" who are just a bunch of whiney high-sec haters argue against this, well, you're just showing your true carebear colors. I'd LOVE to PVP without local. It's almost a wet dream of mine. And if you doubt me, well, this is my main and you can go check my record - I probably have more kills than you.
Ganking is not PvP. Nor is griefing. You're just a lowlife dickwad. Man-up and go find some real PvP to satisfy you. But I bet you don't dare. It is called High Sec for a reason. Local stays. Ganking certainly is more PvP than shooting ******* rocks day inn and day out. The irony-alert goes off when high-sec miners whine about "pussies" ganking them. Do you not realize that you circlejerk around asteroid-belts in highsec? That sounds pretty "manly" to me.. Maybe you should get some ****-traps instead of spreading your butt-cheeks for ISK 24/7. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:09:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:
Thing about Hi-Sec is...
Well, it is Hi-Sec.
Simplicity is filled with fabulosity !! Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:11:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:
But just don't try and justify making ganking and griefing easier under the disguise of wanting to improve PvP because that's bull.
The self-entitled little things just want it all handed to them along with the finest silver to eat it with.
I've got friends who can REALLY 'show them the ropes'. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Freggan
Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking
13
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:14:00 -
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Mugged Yougot wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Haas Tabris wrote: Oh, and if any of you so called "PVP'rs" who are just a bunch of whiney high-sec haters argue against this, well, you're just showing your true carebear colors. I'd LOVE to PVP without local. It's almost a wet dream of mine. And if you doubt me, well, this is my main and you can go check my record - I probably have more kills than you.
Ganking is not PvP. Nor is griefing. You're just a lowlife dickwad. Man-up and go find some real PvP to satisfy you. But I bet you don't dare. It is called High Sec for a reason. Local stays. Ganking certainly is more PvP than shooting ******* rocks day inn and day out. The irony-alert goes off when high-sec miners whine about "pussies" ganking them. Do you not realize that you circlejerk around asteroid-belts in highsec? That sounds pretty "manly" to me.. Maybe you should get some ****-traps instead of spreading your butt-cheeks for ISK 24/7.
God you dimwit, not everyone wants an adrenaline rush just after dinner before bed or w/e and when ever they play. The point about manlyness lol these days a person who can think their way out of a wet paper bag is more manly than a dude who just said someone who pvps people who dont want to fight is more manly than someone who doesnt care enough to? |
Peter Raptor
Plutonian Army
127
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:15:00 -
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Why are all the "Nerf local Whiners" REFUSING to live in WHs where local's nerfed??
Scanning every 2 seconds in a mining vessel is such a pathetically tedious click fest its laughable. Oh but youre the Ganker so it doesnt effect you and so you couldn't care less.
Don't like local cos you can't pick enough on paperbag tanked hulks, but too scarred to go to WHs cos you may die there from big bad tengus.
How Brave you are Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
304
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:15:00 -
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Haas Tabris wrote: If you really want to grief botters, afk'rs, industrialists and miners, it's really pretty simple.
I like how you lump botters with industrialists and miners because of your brain's inability to differentiate between them.
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malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
36
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:20:00 -
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Mugged Yougot wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Haas Tabris wrote: Oh, and if any of you so called "PVP'rs" who are just a bunch of whiney high-sec haters argue against this, well, you're just showing your true carebear colors. I'd LOVE to PVP without local. It's almost a wet dream of mine. And if you doubt me, well, this is my main and you can go check my record - I probably have more kills than you.
Ganking is not PvP. Nor is griefing. You're just a lowlife dickwad. Man-up and go find some real PvP to satisfy you. But I bet you don't dare. It is called High Sec for a reason. Local stays. Ganking certainly is more PvP than shooting ******* rocks day inn and day out. The irony-alert goes off when high-sec miners whine about "pussies" ganking them. Do you not realize that you circlejerk around asteroid-belts in highsec? That sounds pretty "manly" to me.. Maybe you should get some ****-traps instead of spreading your butt-cheeks for ISK 24/7.
I PvP Hi, Lo, and Null. My balls are bigger than most of the Gankers. I actually attack ships that can Fight back. In areas that is riskier than Hi sec, and first and foremost, I'm a miner.
vOv |
Freggan
Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking
13
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:21:00 -
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I knew the dude once when I was a teenager, he would rant and rave how the police and laws should change because its hindering his ability to menace society and he would dream up some odd scenarios on how to justify the leniency and loop holes he would like.
Happens a fair bit, mostly by the kids with their heads in the clouds all the way up to their belly buttons. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:39:00 -
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Mugged Yougot wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Haas Tabris wrote: Oh, and if any of you so called "PVP'rs" who are just a bunch of whiney high-sec haters argue against this, well, you're just showing your true carebear colors. I'd LOVE to PVP without local. It's almost a wet dream of mine. And if you doubt me, well, this is my main and you can go check my record - I probably have more kills than you.
Ganking is not PvP. Nor is griefing. You're just a lowlife dickwad. Man-up and go find some real PvP to satisfy you. But I bet you don't dare. It is called High Sec for a reason. Local stays. Ganking certainly is more PvP than shooting ******* rocks day inn and day out. The irony-alert goes off when high-sec miners whine about "pussies" ganking them. Do you not realize that you circlejerk around asteroid-belts in highsec? That sounds pretty "manly" to me.. Maybe you should get some ****-traps instead of spreading your butt-cheeks for ISK 24/7.
Who has ever claimed that mining is PvP? It is resource gathering, a sub-type of PvE.
You, Sir, are a moron. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:41:00 -
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Freggan wrote:
Oops..edit...some people arent very manly coz they have different body parts and are from venus.
I'll show you MY venus. Too late to back-pedal. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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