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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.10 22:41:00 -
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^^^^ Scammer alt!!!  _________________________
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Professor Wilkins
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.11 00:40:00 -
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I played WOW, SWG, EQ2, GW so on and so on, but for some reason I keep coming back to EVE. I wonder why?
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.05.11 01:29:00 -
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I agree that most traditional (Everquest-style may be a better term?) MMOs aren't really MMOs. To me, they feel like a single-player MMO with multiplayer support. The core game design hasn't really changed much from something like Diablo. The fact that everyone plays through the same story, does the same quests, kills the same respawning bosses and the like point to the similarity to single-player games. To me this is more an issue than how many players are on a server, though that is important also.
I feel that actual single-player RPGs are much more immersive. If I want to play an MMO, I want one that feels like a virtual world where the players actually affect things instead of a virtual theme-park.
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Sythyss
Paradigm Council
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Posted - 2009.05.11 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceSquirrels
Originally by: Malcanis Examples of "non niche" MMOs include?
WAR, WOW, AOC, LOTRO, DAOC, EQ1,2 UO, Shadwobane, AO, Guild wars, D&D. Could argue SWG...
Guys, he's right. You have to realize eve being a niche game means it's unique and holds a distinct section of the market, which it does. All of these other games listed are just like every other mmo out there, as has been mentioned. Eve is certainly a unique game, which is why we all love it =].
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.05.11 05:09:00 -
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This makes me happy as it is a huge victory for small, upstart video game companies. CCP did not have some huge built-in fan base like WoW or Warhammer or LOTRO or made other games to fall back on for cash if their game starts to fail. EVE-Online is completely original (or as close as you can in today's world) and started from nothing.
Goes to show you that working hard and creating something truly fun and engaging like EVE is better in the long run than "Oh hey guiyz, super mario is p. popular, let's make a super mario mmorpg!"
Cheers CCP.
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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Kryss'tal
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Posted - 2009.05.11 05:26:00 -
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EVE is really the only good sci-fi MMO on the market. As soon as a couple of other good competitors hit the market, then subscriber numbers will most likely diminish a bit.
The new star wars game will pull a few away, and the star trek game, if it's ever released, is sure to pull a few more away.
I personally have three alts in this game and I'm not even what you would call a hardcore player. In fact, most of the people that I know in game have at least two characters, and some have 4+ paying accounts.
Metagaming is the core of EVE, therefore it lends itself to a heavy alt community. What I'm getting at here, is that unique subscribers in EVE is most likely a lot closer to Warhammer than you think.
Oh, and EVE still is a niche game. I'm the only person at my job who plays EVE, the other 30 coworkers I have are all a mixture of WoW, WAR, AoC, two FF players and a guy who still clings relentlessly to SWG.
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Laeris Evanstar
Amarr Petals of Derketo
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Posted - 2009.05.11 06:29:00 -
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Wow, 300k subs! That's like 250,000 more than Age of Conan!
*snicker*
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.11 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Laeris Evanstar Wow, 300k subs! That's like 250,000 more than Age of Conan!
*snicker*
To bad really. The graphics and first 20 levels were so awesome in that game. _________________________
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Pyrostasis
Caldari Rage Quit Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.11 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceSquirrels
Originally by: Laeris Evanstar Wow, 300k subs! That's like 250,000 more than Age of Conan!
*snicker*
To bad really. The graphics and first 20 levels were so awesome in that game.
I enjoyed AoC till about 50, then you ran out of quests, and it was pretty much grind kashetta all day.
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.05.12 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 09/05/2009 17:19:23
300,000 subscribers for eve in real terms of actual individual people is probably more like 80,000 subscribers.
Internetz numberz, you make them out of your ass.
I doubt even the average player has 2 accounts. 250k mains and 50k secondary mains are more realistic probably (200-100 at most), given the average age of game accounts published some time ago.
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.05.12 01:58:00 -
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warhammer is dying, have been for a long time, so wouldn't be that proud :) ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |

Baron Aethon
Ostium Orci
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Posted - 2009.05.12 04:13:00 -
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Eve is a niche game because it requires people to work hard to accomplish something. You cannot sit back and log into eve every Saturday and expect to get far in this game. Conversely you can log into wow or lotro once a week and be relatively happy with the results.
You call it simple, Blizzard calls is casual gaming. And Casual gaming sells subscriptions. Eve has very little content for the casual player. Also, I have five accounts, people like me drive the average account per person up.
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Furies
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Posted - 2009.05.12 04:19:00 -
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Well warhammer does epically fail in o so many ways. I downloaded the demo and had it uninstalled the next day cuz I downloaded it late one night but needless to say I tried it and thought it sucked horribly therefore I uninstalled it. It's just like every other friggin game out there that involves orc's, dwarves and the like.
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Furies
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Posted - 2009.05.12 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pyrostasis
Originally by: SpaceSquirrels
Originally by: Laeris Evanstar Wow, 300k subs! That's like 250,000 more than Age of Conan!
*snicker*
To bad really. The graphics and first 20 levels were so awesome in that game.
I enjoyed AoC till about 50, then you ran out of quests, and it was pretty much grind kashetta all day.
AOC will not be around too much longer, Tabula Rasa looked promising but that went bye bye too, Warhammer gonna be next I would think.
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Pyrostasis
Caldari Rage Quit Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.12 04:54:00 -
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Maybe it just didnt appeal to me, but I never saw Tabula Rasa as going to be worth anything much. I remember playing beta for it and being EXTREMELY disappointed. I was like, how the hell does the maker of UO follow it up with THIS!
I think AoC will definitely be in trouble if the next patch doesnt see a good influx of new players.
As for WAR, I dunno... I have a feeling they are going to continue to hemorrhage players unless they can find a way to completely revamp the game, and I mean bigger than the new frontiers revamp in old school DAOC.
Ill be reactivating WAR for nostalgia sake when they reimplement Darkness Falls... but I doubt Ill play for longer than a week after that.
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XenoPagan
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Posted - 2009.05.12 07:17:00 -
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Makes me a bit sad- I actually liked WAR quite a lot, but it lost its flare very quickly. Now tried Age of Conan again with my friends, just to see have they improved, and yeah, WAR is still better than AOC.
But I'm glad for CCP, lets hope trend continues (not THAT fast tho)
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.12 10:20:00 -
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I just find it rather refreshing that what started as a small development team with a small following has grow into a force to be reckoned with. Hopefully in the coming years this will lead to more dev teams thinking outside the box and focusing on long term rather than short term cash grabs.
Well, EvE born small but with some good foundations.
After playing WH since preorder day I can say WH is completely, absolutely CRAP compared to EvE.
The 800k+ initial player base dove down to < 275k players when I quit that thing in Jan.
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This is easily explained with one word.
Paul Barnett
Isn't that 2 words?
While being an EXCELLENT podcast comedian, the guy as game designer is so bad that does not deserve a two words name.
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I swear after every patch it would lag worse and worse to the point where I was still framing at 40+ battle scenes. And good luck taking a major city without the whole server crashing, in fact that actually turned into a tactic for defenders. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds like EVE to me
You have no idea how bad it is. While EvE's FW is really trying hard to suck as much, Warhammer is unrivalled at lag PLUS ret_arded "in your face" huge game destroying bugs lasting for months and months.
If you know WoW, imagine being a rogue with a bug that makes him strongly highligthed when he stealths. WUT? Yeah nonsense but in WH it's like that. Now, imagine that blatant bug being reported both by beta testers (I was one) and regular players, for months, and it not being fixed. Then one day, months down, ROBOANT patch notes say it's fixed.
You start the game, and helloooo the bug is still here. More months and months and another patch notes states: "we found out that in rare cases (99%) the bug was still out, we really fixed it this time". Guess what? Now the guy does not highlight any more. He creates a moving crater on the ground though....
This is the "Mythic way".
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I just spent this afternoon playing with the Lord of the rings Online trial. I can say I really have lost hope for all others MMOs. Leaving Eve to play any other MMO just leaves a terrible taste in my mouth that there isn't something going right. Terrible graphics, interface is somehow worse, absolutely no players around me and leveling system is a pointless grind
The bad news is that LOTRO is one of the best MMOs out there. That is, the others are even worse. All a stupid mild theme park for idiots, where whatever you do is guided, pampered, insured. You are a epicced nobody doing no effect anywhere.
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It's not, it's comparing subscriber numbers.
Warhammer's not a bad game, it's got a different design philosophy than the typical MMO (though obviously derivative of Dark Age of Camelot, save dev and all).
No, it's a TERRIBLE game, because it promotes RvR like DAoC (that is, massive Realm vs Realm epic battles) but fails at managing those epic battles without the servers crashing (in the past) and anyone getting minutes of lag plus 70% of the players become invisible and so on. Failing at its reason to exist imho is pretty sad.
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And it only took 6 years
Yeah, AoC and Warhammer were so quicker at getting where.... ehm.... they are now.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.12 10:22:00 -
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I've played WoW for 4 years, and I've played Star Wars Galaxies, Guild Wars, Auto Assault even before that. I've done the 60 raids, I've done the 70 raids, I've done the 80 raids right up before I quit the game. And while I had great respect before with Blizzard, it just isn't like it was when I left. I still give credit where credit is due, I still enjoy the Machinima movies from WoW, I still watch Zalgradis PvP from time to time and go on the forums (beit offtopic forums).
The first WoW, the one designed by Blizzard, was an amazing and earthshaking product. Then the former EQ designers came, and made it bad (and elitist raiding and against hybrids and so on (PHEAR MY WARRIORZ!). Finally they gave up on the pocket gods and went the opposite ways making it totally a YAWN theme park.
Playing since 2005, quit it the day I could tank a level 76 instance in a level 70 feral druid I was not even playing since weeks. It got _THAT_ dumbed down.
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I think AoC will definitely be in trouble if the next patch doesnt see a good influx of new players.
The sad part is that AoC got bugfixed and polished a lot after the great exodus. But players tend to resent being scammed first, so they did not return back.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.05.12 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Guttripper In my opinion, it seems the latest batch of games attempt to have "everything" all at once. There is no gradual building stages upon a concrete foundation - the skysc****r is being built on swampy lands. Whereas older games like EverQuest, and to an extent, my nearly three years of EVE, were a gradual release of expansion materials for the game. Earlier this week, we celebrated EVE being six years old. If everything involved with the game today, and potential future materials were released all at once six years ago, then would the game have survived, or crashed and burned like the latest batch of games?
All you have to do is look at the Chinese launch to see that a gradual development is best. Serenity had all the features that TQ did up to that point, two or three years ago, it and it was a mess. POSes were scattered across 0.0 with sovereignty locked up when all anybody could fly were frigs, and maybe a few cruisers. So the 0.0 landscape became static for a long time since no one could take down a POS once it was up. Then the people who rushed into Dreads had a field day since most of the rest of the populace was just getting into BCs and BSes.
So, yeah, slow and steady seems to be a much better way to update a MMOG than trying to do it all at once.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Galan Undris
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Posted - 2009.05.12 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Galan Undris on 12/05/2009 10:40:25 Looks pretty grim for everything that isn't WoW nowadays. (edit: or EVE ;) )
I actually liked Tabula Rasa for some reason. I know it was very WoW-ish in appearance, but it felt more different than any of the others. Very immediate and good action-feel to it, unlike all the other WoW-clones. My favourite instant-gratification MMO, but not something for the long haul. Suprised they would fall harder than the others.
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Cal V
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Posted - 2009.05.12 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: E Vile NO other MMO has EVE's population as you see on the server because EVE is the only that has everyone in 1 Universe. Not split down into copies.
That is definetly a plus. As an on and off player what I like is: The community. When you go to the help channels and ask a question it will usually be answered.
The complexity. Itś not a simple hack and slash you can do many things.
But with all of that the brutality of EvE makes it less than appealing for some, for me. Losing ships and having to rebuild is frustrating some game mechanics I don;t agree with but that¦s part of the game.
What I am waiting for is for Blizzards next MMO. With the merger or partnership of Blizzard/Activision I am hoping for MechWarrior Online. I¦m hoping for a cross between EvE and WoW. All the complexity but less.... harsh.
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Anyura
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Posted - 2009.05.12 12:46:00 -
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It's kind of a shame really - I love the Warhammer universe and the storylines behind it and the MMO *should* have been terrific. Instead the mechanics felt like a lame WoW clone with horrible balancing issues (Bright Wizards, I'm looking at you!).
In terms of sci-fi MMOs, Tabula Rasa will always hold a soft spot in my heart. It had interesting mechanics, a refreshing new setting away from mailbox-dancing elfs and deserved to go much further than it did. =/
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Darwin Duck
Quest for the holy Grail Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.12 13:00:00 -
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Not surprised, WOW clones are released on a monthly basis. Why do these devs think people will leave the original with almost 10 years of development, for their fresh out of the oven wow copy with the same ****, new wrapping?
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Revelation Space
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Posted - 2009.05.12 13:06:00 -
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EVE is dying etc 
 Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |

Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.12 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rashmika Clavain EVE is dying etc 

QFT
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.05.12 13:50:00 -
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TBH I'm not surprised ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.12 14:43:00 -
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There have been so many "cookie cutter" MMO's that have come out. Although I'll give warhammer some credit. It did come out with a couple of good idea's. PQ's, Join anywhere groups, and the funny "roll" loot system. However after that it was button mash-tastic.
Hopefully the up and comers like Black prophecy, and Jump Gate evo which are twitch based will feel different. Been waiting for an MMO to get twitched based gaming right, and use it to add depth.
I'm guessing the star trek, Star Gate starwars (anyone see a trend here) MMO's aren't going to do a damn thing original or interesting aside from use those franchised names to sell the product. _________________________
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.05.12 15:08:00 -
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World of Warcraft has the entire fantasy MMO market pretty much cornered, this is probably why the 40k mmo is so far off.
But nothing lasts forever, we've all done the same old quests dozens of times already and it's looking creaky as ****.
i'm not convinced Blizz would generate enough interest releasing a eve-style graphical update for WoW so it's basically going to come down to milking their cash cow for as long as possible before WoW either dies or is tugged to make way for WoW2, and in that dead time the next big fantasy MMO would come along.
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Blake Shepperd
Gallente SEED Project
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Posted - 2009.05.12 15:43:00 -
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I can't believe people still play SWG. Last time I was on the word GHOST TOWNS come to mind. At release it had something but as the numbers dropped it just did not seem like a world. It was like deserted space.
Eve is so much more.
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.05.12 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bestofworst Leaving Eve to play any other MMO just leaves a terrible taste in my mouth that there isn't something going right. Terrible graphics, interface is somehow worse,
This is downright frightening. They have something worse than corp UI, ghosts on overview and randomly relocating windows?
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