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BeaconBeacon	Posted - 2009.05.11 00:35:00 - [1] I'm currently over 20mil sp with all ammarr,caldari, and gallente medium vessels and their t2 weapon systems trained to the max. All my support skills are top notch and right now working on t2 heavy drones. For some reason, I always feel like my ships are too weak. Some people call me paranoid, and my battle tactics usually revolve around extreme caution. I always treat an opponent like they have all skills lvl 5 and can read my mind. I'm a top performer in my corp (actually that's debatable. Last war our best fighters had around 100 kills each. I was at 3/4 that but zero deaths [they all had between 5-20 deaths]). I don't know. It is starting to make this game unenjoyable cause I feel like I never get in any real fights. I either completely dominate, or I just don't engage. It is some wierd instinct in me drives me to avoid being destroyed at all cost. I'd rather not fight and live then to risk getting taken out. I only complain because I feel like I might miss a lot of opportunities to kill because of this caution. Anyone else know what im feeling? (My corp considers me a valuable asset but sometimes I think they may consider me boring cause i don't warp headfirst into any hostile I see).
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2009.05.11 00:44:00 - [2] Edited by: Crackzilla on 11/05/2009 00:44:43 Fly something cheapier you don't mind losing as much Warp in if you think you've got a chance
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.11 00:46:00 - [3] Yeah I would tell you to use cheaper ships. A death is only harsh if it destroys a lot of your assets. If it does not, then who cares? It's just some e-numbers. Have fun with a cheaper ship and engage like a mofo. --
ThaDollaGenerale The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.05.11 01:29:00 - [4] Btw, the game you're playing is internet spaceships in space. No one likes to blow up, but it will happen. I know internet spaceships is srs bznss, but just go with the flow and die a couple of times, you'll have more fun if you lemming into some situations.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.11 01:32:00 - [5] Sounds like you need a Strategic Cruiser. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.05.11 01:58:00 - [6] If you have VERY low ship losses then start useing faction gear. if you're still feeling "weak" but still winning, then move up to the better gear. keep going till you're flying BS's worth more then most carriers. If you still are not being blown up, and still feal "weak" then save up and buy a titan..
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.05.11 02:14:00 - [7] I got the same problem, but maybe even worse because I mainly fly rifters. On my most active days of pirating I learned an unwritten rule, that everything you engage is a trap until it's dead. This kinda makes solo roaming unenjoyable since I just can't snap out of my paranoid mindset, sit back, relax and enjoy the explosions. I've had some really great fights recently, but I still can't just relax and kill everyone
glassmanipulator Lucian Alliance Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.11 02:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Yeah I would tell you to use cheaper ships. A death is only harsh if it destroys a lot of your assets. If it does not, then who cares? It's just some e-numbers. Have fun with a cheaper ship and engage like a mofo. This ^^ What's a 20-30 mil AF when you have billions...
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.11 02:54:00 - [9] If you cross-trained for three races, you do _not_ have top-notch support skills at 20M SP.
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.05.11 06:08:00 - [10] try iron supplements
Laeris Evanstar Amarr Petals of Derketo	Posted - 2009.05.11 06:17:00 - [11] Welcome to EVE [url=http://laeris.mybrute.com]You may pod me, but MY BRUTE is full of WIN and Cheese Sauce![/url]
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2009.05.11 06:25:00 - [12] Originally by: UMEE try iron supplements _____________________________
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.05.11 06:32:00 - [13] Edited by: TimMc on 11/05/2009 06:32:49 I have the same problem, except living in 0.0 means I die anyway. Edit: I would say go roaming with someone else in charge who you trust. Do everything they say. You will get more action and some close calls/deaths.
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2009.05.11 07:24:00 - [14] Eat less bacon and more fish, vegetables and fruit. Daily physical exercise may also help you out a lot.
Rordan D'Kherr Amarr	Posted - 2009.05.11 07:50:00 - [15] Originally by: BeaconBeacon For some reason, I always feel like my ships are too weak. I am over 40M SP and I think this won't never change...
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.05.11 08:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Draeca I got the same problem, but maybe even worse because I mainly fly rifters. On my most active days of pirating I learned an unwritten rule, that everything you engage is a trap until it's dead. This kinda makes solo roaming unenjoyable since I just can't snap out of my paranoid mindset, sit back, relax and enjoy the explosions. I've had some really great fights recently, but I still can't just relax and kill everyone I used to be like that, every death hurt. But now if the FC tells me to go pick a fight against impossible odds I will fly in windmilling away at anything in range.
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus	Posted - 2009.05.11 08:17:00 - [17] get a tempest. as we have all seen in CS2 they can take out much larger ships solo. --------------------------------------------- Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi".
Midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.05.11 08:21:00 - [18] Your issue IMO is you feel ship progression Frig>cruiser>battlecruiser>etc should mean the next is better than the last, this is far from true as circumstanses and fittings will change the outcome. The best way IMO to learn is throw together a T1 Cruiser and go looking for somethign to kill, obviously dont purposly get killed - but pick your target and have at it. good fun will ensue :D -----------------------------------------------
Midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.05.11 08:22:00 - [19] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Draeca I got the same problem, but maybe even worse because I mainly fly rifters. On my most active days of pirating I learned an unwritten rule, that everything you engage is a trap until it's dead. This kinda makes solo roaming unenjoyable since I just can't snap out of my paranoid mindset, sit back, relax and enjoy the explosions. I've had some really great fights recently, but I still can't just relax and kill everyone I used to be like that, every death hurt. But now if the FC tells me to go pick a fight against impossible odds I will fly in windmilling away at anything in range. you missed epic roam at the weekend :P was funny as **** :D -----------------------------------------------
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.05.11 08:29:00 - [20] Originally by: Midge Mo'yb Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Draeca I got the same problem, but maybe even worse because I mainly fly rifters. On my most active days of pirating I learned an unwritten rule, that everything you engage is a trap until it's dead. This kinda makes solo roaming unenjoyable since I just can't snap out of my paranoid mindset, sit back, relax and enjoy the explosions. I've had some really great fights recently, but I still can't just relax and kill everyone I used to be like that, every death hurt. But now if the FC tells me to go pick a fight against impossible odds I will fly in windmilling away at anything in range. you missed epic roam at the weekend :P was funny as **** :D I hate weekend night shifts
The AEther Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2009.05.11 08:51:00 - [21] You just have a stronger sense of self-preservation than your corpmates, which can be both a good and a bad thing. One the positive side you don't die because you pick your fights well. On the negative side like you say is that you don't get into as many fights, resulting in less kills, and you don't get into those borderline fights that many people consider to be the most fun where outcome is less from certain. You can try going against your own instincts and start taking more risks, but it is not guaranteed that you will find that fun. May be play drunk more? Alcohol has been known to override that sense of self-preservation. May be try to pick fights on test server where they don't matter? Fly cheaper ships? Start a new character join some random pirate corp that doesn't care about your losses and pvp in frigs and cruisers? It's your choice.
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.05.11 09:51:00 - [22] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Draeca I got the same problem, but maybe even worse because I mainly fly rifters. On my most active days of pirating I learned an unwritten rule, that everything you engage is a trap until it's dead. This kinda makes solo roaming unenjoyable since I just can't snap out of my paranoid mindset, sit back, relax and enjoy the explosions. I've had some really great fights recently, but I still can't just relax and kill everyone I used to be like that, every death hurt. But now if the FC tells me to go pick a fight against impossible odds I will fly in windmilling away at anything in range. It doesn't really hurt to lose stuff, it's just that I'm damn nervous when roaming around and it's hard to relax and just kill people. I've got quite a few nice against all odds fights lately and I really do love them (except that rokh, drake & arbi vs. my rifter 1v3, when the arbi warped out from my 2 point scram on hull )
Haks'he Lirky Burning Bright Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.11 10:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab If you cross-trained for three races, you do _not_ have top-notch support skills at 20M SP. this
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.05.11 10:07:00 - [24] Originally by: BeaconBeacon I only complain because I feel like I might miss a lot of opportunities to kill because of this caution. Anyone else know what im feeling? You're doing fine I guess, just don't be so religious about not losing a ship, sometimes risking a loss is OK if it helps win the fight (i.e. in gang PVP, not solo). How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
PostmasterGeneral Minmatar yo i'm posting	Posted - 2009.05.11 10:10:00 - [25] if you've got 20 million SP spread over three races, odds are good that you can't do any one of those particular races well. i would pick which fighting style you like the most (close combat, sniping, whatever) and then specialize.
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.11 10:19:00 - [26] Get a bunch of neutral remote reppers, theres no point in having any risk, right? And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now
Ms Delerium	Posted - 2009.05.11 10:32:00 - [27] Oh you Achuras and your min/max syndrome... - you dont need to fly the most expensive ship with faction/officer mods - you dont need to be 100% sure you will win - you dont need to get 0% losses ratio in your KB
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.05.11 12:39:00 - [28] Determine how much you're willing to spend on having fun a month. Take risks until your ship losses have climbed up to that amount. Resume old play style for the rest of the month. Still leaves you in control, but without the straightjacket. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
MonkeyGod	Posted - 2009.05.11 12:56:00 - [29] Originally by: BeaconBeacon I'm currently over 20mil sp with all ammarr,caldari, and gallente medium vessels and their t2 weapon systems trained to the max. maybe thats your problem? i feel disadvantaged by just being crosstraining between gallente and caldari and they even share the same gun types, and i have 25mil sp. perhaps you should focus more on one area?
RiotRick Black-Sun	Posted - 2009.05.11 13:04:00 - [30] Edited by: RiotRick on 11/05/2009 13:05:14 I usually do the complete opposite thing :D I shoot first, think later. Because of this is I lose a lot of ships, but on the other hand I do get a lot of good fights. That's what it's all about for me. Isk means nothing to me, as long as I can replace my ships I'm ok. Maybe that's why I'm called RiotRick -- The future is black.
Emerhyz	Posted - 2009.05.11 13:23:00 - [31] Go solo fleets. 1 v 3+, and then tell your corp you truly are skilled. I've seen some video's where a single man can take out 4-5 people. Granted they, the enemy, may have noob fittings, they are not skilled pvp'ers, or you just have soooo much more sp. It's a great feeling knowing you may lose to 3-4 people compared to...how you feel now. I don't have enough skills to go and do this, but you seem too.
BeaconBeacon	Posted - 2009.05.11 14:15:00 - [32] Edited by: BeaconBeacon on 11/05/2009 14:15:01 it's not really my stats that make me feel weak. I can constantly get better stats then most of my corp mates. I always do extremely well in 1v1's. It's just, I always prefer a large margin of dominance over an opponent before I feel it is safe to engage, and I know eve doesn't work that way (the largest difference in stats is say, an active repper tank on a battleship may only be 2 or 3 times the strength of an AF's output dps). Also, it has nothing to do with ship cost, I routinely fly t1 cruisers in an attempt to get me used to the idea of loseing ships, but honestly something inside me HATES getting blown away. it's not the loss of isk, isk can be made easily, its that you got beat.
Chris Liath Gallente Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.05.11 14:17:00 - [33] Originally by: BeaconBeacon "I have many skillpoints, I can fly loads of unessescary vessels with top notch support skills. Yet, because I'm such an overachiever, I feel that it's not good enough. I say this to prove how much I push myself to be better than the rest of you. I had 75 kills and zero deaths, a riduculously higher k/d than my fellow corporation members. I'm so fantastically good though, so I don't count all these fights I've had with my amarr, caldari and gallente t2 fit medium vessels that I've won, without dying. I'm so good and I die so rarely, it makes the game unenjoyable because I never get a real fight, and by that I mean me single-handedly taking down a Titan. I either completely dominate, or I dont find the other opponent worthy. It is my honed survival and killing instinct in me that tells me to live to fight another day, so I can pwn some more. I prefer to not fight at all, over fighting, winning (Like I always do) and then get taken out by a superior force. I only complain because I feel I miss those 1/4 of the kills my corpmates have (but remember I have 0 deaths) because of this death-proof strategy I have. Anyone else as leet as me? (My corp would be nothing without me, but some times I think they're a little envious of me because I never die) Fixed that for you. "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
ArmyOfMe The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.05.11 14:19:00 - [34] if u have no losses it means your not taking any chances, and that means your probably far from the best pvp'er in your corp, even if your kd ratio is the best some of the best pvp'ers i know in this game has tons of losses simply cause they are always out looking for fights and taking on guys even when they are way outnumerd.
BeaconBeacon	Posted - 2009.05.11 14:31:00 - [35] Originally by: Chris Liath Originally by: BeaconBeacon "I have many skillpoints, I can fly loads of unessescary vessels with top notch support skills. Yet, because I'm such an overachiever, I feel that it's not good enough. I say this to prove how much I push myself to be better than the rest of you. I had 75 kills and zero deaths, a riduculously higher k/d than my fellow corporation members. I'm so fantastically good though, so I don't count all these fights I've had with my amarr, caldari and gallente t2 fit medium vessels that I've won, without dying. I'm so good and I die so rarely, it makes the game unenjoyable because I never get a real fight, and by that I mean me single-handedly taking down a Titan. I either completely dominate, or I dont find the other opponent worthy. It is my honed survival and killing instinct in me that tells me to live to fight another day, so I can pwn some more. I prefer to not fight at all, over fighting, winning (Like I always do) and then get taken out by a superior force. I only complain because I feel I miss those 1/4 of the kills my corpmates have (but remember I have 0 deaths) because of this death-proof strategy I have. Anyone else as leet as me? (My corp would be nothing without me, but some times I think they're a little envious of me because I never die) Fixed that for you. I spit cinnamon toast crunch all over my keyboard cause when i started laughing, thanks :P
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.11 14:37:00 - [36] Originally by: BeaconBeacon Edited by: BeaconBeacon on 11/05/2009 14:15:01 it's not really my stats that make me feel weak. I can constantly get better stats then most of my corp mates. I always do extremely well in 1v1's. It's just, I always prefer a large margin of dominance over an opponent before I feel it is safe to engage, and I know eve doesn't work that way (the largest difference in stats is say, an active repper tank on a battleship may only be 2 or 3 times the strength of an AF's output dps). Also, it has nothing to do with ship cost, I routinely fly t1 cruisers in an attempt to get me used to the idea of loseing ships, but honestly something inside me HATES getting blown away. it's not the loss of isk, isk can be made easily, its that you got beat. So you don't like losing your ship. That's not a crime. Surely you're aware that a good proportion (by no means all) of the HAHA I LOST 5 T2-FIT BATTLESHIPS YESTERDAY I DONT CARE BECAUSE I AM SO MATURE AND CAREFREE THAT I DONT CARE ABOUT PIXELS bravado is a story that people tell themselves to get over the fact they lost the fight. From what you're saying it's not affecting your combat performance in any way that should bother your corp. So long as that's the case, fly the way that suits you. I don't like losing ships myself, I'm kind of risk averse and I fly in a fairly similar way to what you describe. So I fly in long-range ships like sniper HACs, etc and I do OK.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.05.11 14:49:00 - [37] Originally by: Arec Bardwin Eat less bacon and more fish, vegetables and fruit. Daily physical exercise may also help you out a lot. lol Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Lisento Slaven The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2009.05.11 15:22:00 - [38] Fit a bunch of T1 ships with the intention of dying. In fact...take a T1 fit T1 cruiser gang into gatecamps that you KNOW are there (0.0 entries). When you enter, tell your entire gang to type in local "FOR THE EMPEROR!!!" and then begin to call primaries and see what happens. You'll die but if your objective is just to take a couple of them out you'll succeed. Mission Success. --- Put in space whales!
Verx Interis Amarr Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.05.11 15:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab If you cross-trained for three races, you do _not_ have top-notch support skills at 20M SP. Confirming this. I have 20m SP and have top-notch support skills for Amarr only. I can't fly anything else. ---- Logins required for this post: 354559
rodensteiner	Posted - 2009.05.11 16:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab If you cross-trained for three races, you do _not_ have top-notch support skills at 20M SP. I 2nd (3rd?) This I have around 14 million SP total. I can only fly one races ships (Amarr). I can use pretty much only lasers (500,000ish in missiles) and I can't use T2 larges yet. I can fly T2 frigs, and HACS. No recons. No command ships. I don't bother flying BS's 'cuz I suck with them (T1 weapons) I can't use T2 EANM's yet. So if you say you're at 20 million spread across 3 races, then you've still got a LOT to go. But more on-topic, start losing ships. Go into fights you pretty much know are hopeless. Eventually you'll start having more fun, and be less paranoid about it. It's just a game, anyways. I can't wait to fly a Command Ship in PVP and lose it :)
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.05.11 16:46:00 - [41] If you feel weak it's probably because you sound like some empire wardec profession corp wuss who decs hapless victims all his eve life and as such never been in a fight where there was ever any real danger. It's a tactical fleet game where dying is mostly inevitable. Not Unreal Tournament where dying means yu0 are teh n00b. You're never supposed to be that strong in the first place. Most of all the great solo players I know have an army of alts. if you disagree with me then you should probably post a response and stop reading my signature.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp LAST JUDGEMENT	Posted - 2009.05.11 17:26:00 - [42] Put 20 mil more sp into 1 of those races, specifically for BS and below and you wont feel underpowered.... -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
Raydn James CAD Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.11 17:44:00 - [43] I 4th the max skills thing. I have 43 mil sp and only am maxed out in gallente. 20 mil spread across 3 races leaves lots of room for marginal returns
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2009.05.11 19:00:00 - [44] Edited by: z0de on 11/05/2009 19:00:35 I have 23m sp all in gallente and there's still alot I need to be complete (not even thinking about caps and I don't have t2 large guns) You have far too much sp in spaceship command for someone with 20m sp. I seriously doubt your support skills are top notch. Also you have access to an ishtar but don't have t2 heavies (or sentries I assume), this is not good. á á
Northern Fall Minmatar Guild Academy Guild Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.11 19:41:00 - [45] Then its true, your doing it wrong
Bigpimping Pimp Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.11 19:48:00 - [46] Fly cloaking ships and pick your fights... That seems to be your playstyle, overly cautious, and cloakers could work with that. ________________________________________ He who pimps, is God...
Spass Stoiantschewsky	Posted - 2009.05.11 22:21:00 - [47] The OP is a Carebear, the difference between him and a mission runner/ratter is that he likes to blow up other peoples ships.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2009.05.11 22:49:00 - [48] Originally by: Lisento Slaven Fit a bunch of T1 ships with the intention of dying. In fact...take a T1 fit T1 cruiser gang into gatecamps that you KNOW are there (0.0 entries). When you enter, tell your entire gang to type in local "FOR THE EMPEROR!!!" and then begin to call primaries and see what happens. You'll die but if your objective is just to take a couple of them out you'll succeed. Mission Success. Taking this to more amusing extremes, fit a T1 dreadnought and suicide hotdrop an enemy jump freighter with it. Self-destruct to make sure no-one gets any of your loot. Cost to them: 4bn isk plus cargo. Cost to you: 400m after insurance. --- 20:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
jita alt123	Posted - 2009.05.12 03:42:00 - [49] In the end, it's just a game with pixels on a screen. Fly your ship into certain traps. Assume that you're going to get popped the second you undock. That way you don't get too attached to your ship. Plus it means you can lose your harby to a blackbird, 2 rifters and a jaguar and not feel bad. Maybe slightly ******ed, but not bad :D http://dec3mber.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3237406 It's just a game after all.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.12 04:03:00 - [50] Originally by: Spass Stoiantschewsky The OP is a Carebear, the difference between him and a mission runner/ratter is that he likes to blow up other peoples ships. Well no, not really. Carebears want something for nothing. The OP just wants to loosen up. I propose we sell him the Jenny Spitfire account, that is about as loose as it gets in EvE. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Ron Bacardi	Posted - 2009.05.12 04:12:00 - [51] Go to a gym, lift weights. Problem solved.
Caius Sivaris Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.05.12 15:42:00 - [52] Originally by: BeaconBeacon I'm a top performer in my corp (actually that's debatable. Last war our best fighters had around 100 kills each. I was at 3/4 that but zero deaths [they all had between 5-20 deaths]). And that's why killboards are bad... The best fight I've ever been in is one I lost. The other guy had less than 80 hull HP left. You won't ever have an adrenaline rush if you are not in danger, the feeling of control is nice but nothing like balls on the wall action, for me at least.
Weight What	Posted - 2009.05.12 15:45:00 - [53] Originally by: Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball Picnic trip to Chernobyl Sarcophagus ill-advised. Ionising radition corrupts flesh. Seek medical advice (within the parameters of this entertainment). ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".

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