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Delphi Grendalus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.05.12 11:29:00 - [1] I want to hide in low/null sec belts and catch miners/ratters by surprise, locking them up and destroying them quickly without them even being able to run nor return significant damage to me. I want to be able to pick my battles but I want most things that come my way to be able to be taken. In short I want to play like a spider, sitting in a web and letting my prey come to me. What skills/ships/tactics should I be looking at to be able to play like this? What about if I join an empire merc corp as opposed to a null-sec alliance? Tear-stained ISK is the best kind of ISK.
Dong Ninja	Posted - 2009.05.12 11:32:00 - [2] Just stunlock them to death. Originally by: Xen Gin Indeed, upgrading an MS OS is like taking a **** into a cake mixture, then complaining that it doesn't taste good when it's all done.
Delphi Grendalus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.05.12 11:34:00 - [3] Originally by: Dong Ninja Just stunlock them to death. EWAR and NEU/NOS ? Tear-stained ISK is the best kind of ISK.
Noisrevbus Caldari Breams Gone Wild	Posted - 2009.05.12 11:35:00 - [4] Pilgrim?
Maisonian Amarr The Green Machine	Posted - 2009.05.12 11:36:00 - [5] - Train for a pilgrim - Buy and fit one properly - Cloak and find idiots in belts - ??????? - Profit! Seriously though, the Pilgrim is a ferrocious ship for solo in lowsec and its brother the Curse will always be welcome in gangs.
Delphi Grendalus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.05.12 11:39:00 - [6] A pilgrim? Hmmmm.... Even the name sounds pretty sweet. Thanks a lot fellas. Tear-stained ISK is the best kind of ISK.
Noodly Appendage Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.05.12 11:42:00 - [7] Ibis Reality appears to have a strong liberal bias.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.05.12 11:44:00 - [8] uncloak cast dispel ???? wizard hat profit
chrisss0r	Posted - 2009.05.12 11:57:00 - [9] The dominix even the rogue drones use it and they are masters in what u wanna do
vorneus	Posted - 2009.05.12 12:37:00 - [10] Well your choices are all of the cloaking ships. Covert ops is laughable because they're not for combat. SB is not what you're looking for, because it can't take down most targets, certainly not solo at least, and it will die easily. Recons are your most viable choice - Pilgrim as mentioned is probably best for your purposes, although if you're only attacking solo targets you could easily get away with an Arazu. Unfortunately while the pilgrim is your best choice, it doesn't have a whole lot of DPS and will get killed against a decent pilot in a passive tank, or equally a droneboat. When I have been engaged by a solo pilgrim in my 16000mm plated vexor, there have always been two outcomes: pilgrim warps off, pilgrim dies. Don't lead the neut setup to believe you're always able to escape - a nosferatu and only a point activated on a passive ship will see that you can't. Your third (and most expensive) choice is black ops. I can't really comment on these as I know little/nothing about their capabilities, but they can be thought of as the "big brothers" of recon ships. Bear in mind that no matter how well you pick your fights, you WILL get killed eventually. It might also be sooner than you think, as baiting is commonplace in lowsec. My advice is to pick VERY carefully, keep an eye on local and your scanner, and stay away from passive tanks and droneboats. -Ed
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.05.12 12:57:00 - [11] Anything mimitar, I mistake rifters for npc wrecks all the time.
Delphi Grendalus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.05.12 13:02:00 - [12] Originally by: vorneus Well your choices are all of the cloaking ships. lots of good stuff -Ed Thats actually very helpful indeed. Does anyone know anything more about these blackops ships? I know it would probably take me another year to be able to fly one unfortunately. I actually think it would be more fun to fly around in a small gang but I've yet to be able to find a group of likeminded players for some reason. What am I doing wrong? Tear-stained ISK is the best kind of ISK.
VanNostrum Perkone	Posted - 2009.05.12 13:24:00 - [13] Vagabond; best for hit&run for small group SB is most fun Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.05.12 15:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Delphi Grendalus I actually think it would be more fun to fly around in a small gang but I've yet to be able to find a group of likeminded players for some reason. What am I doing wrong? You mentioned wow. 90% of eve players get butthurt if you compare anything to wow.
SpaceSquirrels Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.12 15:36:00 - [15] Lol you have a bad rep.... One you scam. And two you post weird forum topics such as "where are the mature players?" Also perhaps you should go to the alliance recruiting boards...and ask to join a pirate corp. _________________________ I disagree...
Jotobar	Posted - 2009.05.12 15:42:00 - [16] Congratulation OP. Most 0.0 roaming will feel like a spider placing webs (quite litteraly) and waiting for pray regardless of what ship you drive. With that said I fall back on the rest of the threads allready good advice.
Fistjaw Interface	Posted - 2009.05.12 15:43:00 - [17] Originally by: SpaceSquirrels Lol you have a bad rep.... One you scam. And two you post weird forum topics such as "where are the mature players?" Also perhaps you should go to the alliance recruiting boards...and ask to join a pirate corp. where's all the white girls at?
Anyura	Posted - 2009.05.12 15:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Gneeznow uncloak cast dispel ???? wizard hat profit I shoot Flameburst Missile into the darkness!
Shadow Devourer	Posted - 2009.05.12 16:02:00 - [19] Pick the assassin subclass for x7 backstab and bonuses to hit & damage.
Jane Sparxx	Posted - 2009.05.12 16:27:00 - [20] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Delphi Grendalus I actually think it would be more fun to fly around in a small gang but I've yet to be able to find a group of likeminded players for some reason. What am I doing wrong? You mentioned wow. 90% of eve players get butthurt if you compare anything to wow. It's because WoW players had everything handed to them, PvP has no loss and there was no consequences for their actions... and they want to change EvE to be the same way.
King Rothgar Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.05.12 17:21:00 - [21] I recommend the pilgrim or curse. The pilgrim is sneakier and has a superior tank however the curse is quicker, nimbler and has more neuting power. It can also fight at more than twice the range due to the neut range bonus the pilgrim lacks. End result is the pilgrim is a very sneaky close up fighter (orbit at 1km or less) that uses a tracking disruptor to reduce incoming damage and features some sort of active/buffer/hybrid armor tank. The curse is the opposite, it hangs out at around 20km using speed and a tracking disruptor to stay out of the enemy's range. Typically a curse will have little more than a couple shield extenders for defense and those won't help much except against enemy drones. Both ships are light on damage but the neuts will shut down any sort of active tank and the tracking disruptor should keep you reasonably safe from enemy guns. Missile boats are largely off limits as are other drone boats. As a demonstration of the curse's power, I soloed an astarte (command ship) earlier in a plex. I warped in on him at 28km, overheated my mwd and warp disruptor to get a fast point on him. Once he was tackled I neuted him to nothing. His AB shut down and he couldn't even fire his guns. My drones then proceeded to very slowly tear him down as I attempted a ransom. Sadly he had no isk so I ended up destroying his ship. It took a bit of time with just 5x hammerhead II's but I had complete control of the fight. He could do absolutely nothing to prevent the destruction of his ship. The "fight" ended with me at 100% shields still.
Lukriss	Posted - 2009.05.12 17:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Anyura Originally by: Gneeznow uncloak cast dispel ???? wizard hat profit I shoot Flameburst Missile into the darkness! I believe it's more like "I cast magic missile" "But there's nothing to shoot at?" "Well... eh... i shoot it at the dark!"
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2009.05.12 17:50:00 - [23] While there are certainly several possible options for the job, the key thing to consider is that the "ship operate like a rogue". If we look at the archetype of the Rogue (I am assuming from WoW) then we find that there are a few distinct character traits: 1) Stealth - If one knows nothing about the class, they can probably gather that stealth is a big part of the class. 2) High Positionally Dependent DPS - The Rogue may deal high damage at any angle, but if one wants to maintain the best possible DPS, one has to be located behind the target. 3) Low HP with excellent short term survivability - Through the interaction of several skills and stats, the Rogue is perhaps one of the most survivable classes in WOW, for a very short period of time. As such, we find that a ship that operates like a rogue must be able maneuver efficiently under a cloak, must be able to deliver relatively high DPS and it must have the cpacity to survive a short duration, high intensity fight with an equal if not slightly better foe. To that end, we find that there are really only a few ship classes that even meet the criteria. First, we have the covert ops lineup, most specifically the stealth bomber. Unfortunately, while the bomber has points 1 and 2 well in hand, it falls apart on point 3 as they are, in any fit, made of tissue paper. While the bomber does have the option of carrying any number of devices that increase its survivability against some ships, the target set consists of mining vessels meaning the most common threat will come from drone. Drones are perfectly suited to killing a bomber inside warp disruptor range, but the bomber is nearly defensless against said drones. It may still work, but one has to ensure a rapid kill before the miner knows what hit them. Our next option comes from the Recon Class, and here is probably where one will have their best luck. Unfortunately, most Recons have a very specific role on the battlefield. The Falcon/Rook is designed to use ECM to keep a target out of the fight, and against single targets this may in fact prove sufficient. Unfortunately, even with recent damage boosts, both ships deliver incredibly poor damage for a cruiser (even among ships that deliver poor damage), and as such one loses out on point 2 - high DPS. The Minmitar recons focus on slowing targets and making them easier to hit - unfortunately the targets in question are some of the easiest for cruiser class (and below) weapons to hit - mining ships are slow and often have relatively large signatures. The lack of any defensive electronic warfare items means this ship would rely entirely on localized defenses like shields and armor. This is perhaps the worst choice for the job. Then you have the Gallente Recons, and while they do possess state of the art sensor dampners (for what that's worth), again we find that this item may indeed be useless. They are capable of delivering higher than expected damage, and if one considers the pitiful sensor range of even T2 mining ships, the use of damps may in fact be the answer sought after. If the miner in question has his mining drones deployed (or his combat drones are otherwise engaged) then using damps can keep you from ever being attacked by drones, and it's a small matter to stay well outside of the dampened sensor range of the miner. Finally, one has the Amarr recon line. While the Amarr recons don't excell at delivering high damage, the use of weapon disruptors and energy neutralizers/vampires means that they certainly deliver enough damage to wear down any target. The Curse in particular is more than capable of mauling the ill prepared battleship, but they are somewhat less successful against missile/drone ships. Unfortunately, only the energy neutralizer portion is really all that attractive in this particular role. That said, I am going to stray from the popular vote here and say the gallente recon line may in fact be the best ships for the job.
arbiter reborn	Posted - 2009.05.12 18:14:00 - [24] grow a few days stubble dont washh ????? buy lether jacket, and proceed to tell ppl in local before you attack them you are indeed all of the above profit??
Shenanigan O'Toole	Posted - 2009.05.12 21:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Delphi Grendalus I want to hide...locking them up and destroying them quickly without them even being able to run nor return significant damage to me Blah blah blah, this isn't WoW or their ****ty version of PvP called the battlegrounds or arenas.
Undertow Latheus Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.12 21:19:00 - [26] grrrr there are no rogues in eve! Or night-elves or fairies casting kiddie sparkly colorful crap everywhere, or anything else that makes me question the maturity and sexuality of a certain 10 million people stop applying wow to eve ffs BUT if you want to do guerrilla warfare and use speed, agility, and evasiveness to survive instead of a herculean tank then i would suggest a vagabond, pilgrim, or any stealthbomber
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.05.12 21:23:00 - [27] Another alternative to consider when you a.) earn more money and b.) market value drops - tech 3 ships. They can put out some pretty good DPS with their stealth subsystems, and they take a LOT less time to train for. Currently they're abominably overpriced, but that should change soon enough.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.05.12 21:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Delphi Grendalus Thats actually very helpful indeed. Does anyone know anything more about these blackops ships? 1. You can't afford one for a long time. 2. When you can finally afford one, you won't want it. Quote: I know it would probably take me another year to be able to fly one unfortunately. Try two years. Quote: What am I doing wrong? Pirates in Rancer system are recruiting. Just fly in from Jita, they'll zap you an application right away. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.05.12 21:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Undertow Latheus grrrr there are no rogues in eve! Or night-elves or fairies casting kiddie sparkly colorful crap everywhere, or anything else that makes me question the maturity and sexuality of a certain 10 million people stop applying wow to eve ffs BUT if you want to do guerrilla warfare and use speed, agility, and evasiveness to survive instead of a herculean tank then i would suggest a vagabond, pilgrim, or any stealthbomber "Rogue" is a pretty common MMO archetype and it applies perfectly to EVE game mechanics, does it really matter that he said "Rogue" instead of "Stealth class". He wants to fly a recon ship and it is obvious the moment he says Rogue, which is why he said it. ffs, stop getting butthurt that people use industry standard terminology to talk about shared game mechanics that cross games and genres.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.05.12 21:35:00 - [30] Edited by: Davinel Lulinvega on 12/05/2009 21:35:52 Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega 90% of eve players get butthurt if you compare anything to wow. Originally by: Shenanigan O'Toole Blah blah blah, this isn't WoW or their **ty version of PvP called the battlegrounds or arenas. Originally by:** Undertow Latheus grrrr there are no rogues in eve! Or night-elves or fairies casting kiddie sparkly colorful crap everywhere, or anything else that makes me question the maturity and sexuality of a certain 10 million people stop applying wow to eve ffs BUT if you want to do guerrilla warfare and use speed, agility, and evasiveness to survive instead of a herculean tank then i would suggest a vagabond, pilgrim, or any stealthbomber See what I mean? Originally by: Guillame Herschel Pirates in Rancer system are recruiting. Just fly in from Jita, they'll zap you an application right away. Preferably on autopilot.

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