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WO2 Tiger Caldari The TigerZ	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:32:00 - [1] ok, before i explain what happened, let me firstly say that i admit i shoulda known better, so please no emails stating the obvious, it really isn't worth it. I have been playing for 3 years. Microwarpdrive II convo'd me asking if i wanted to join Goonfleet and come on down to delve for some fun. This was after i had placed an add in the recruitment channel after being away in Afghanistan (RL soldier British Army) for 7 months and i had setup my own one man corp before i left. I had flown with the Goons in the days of being part of IAC (when that too was remotely loyal to each other) and didn't see or perceive anything to be suspicious. MWD and I shot the **** for a little while in a convo and i accepted the invite. I left my own corp (read timer countdown) and applied at Jita for the goonfleet in line with MWD's direction. I was then asked how soon could i get down to delve to prepare for ops etc, the answer of course was 'hey, when d'ya need me? i havnt played for a while and just want to play the game again with like minded individuals again and have some fun'. The answer back from MWD, was an invite to come straight down, i was assured my corp standings had been set to 'Blue' and they could even help me move assets if i wanted. How very nice of them! i thought! (read idiot). Pieceofmind (another char) came into the convo and asked where to collect my stuff from. I done the usual bartering of space in m3 and time to sort it all out, ironically he was in Jita at the time...........Motsu's not far away huh? and the next run up here is in 3 weeks! So, i contracted all of my ships (fully fitted strat cruiser (Tengu) with all subsystem options, Command ship (nighthawk), Basalisk, Inty, Ferox, and a few others with faction mods taboot Now whilst you're reading this i know what you're saying "what a bloody idiot", and i don't disagree with you either, the fact is i 'just wanted to play' and i didn't wanna hang around waiting to do it. I trusted the in hindsight, untrustworthy, based on previous experience with them. I made my way down to delve (40 odd jumps) and whilst i was on route, noticed that Microwarpdrive and pieceofmind had dropped from convo. On trying to start a convo or message them, guess what? i was blocked. on arrival in Delve, Goons everywhere tried to pop me wherever i went. O-H was the system i was sent too. I noticed that pieceofmind was in local but wasn't answering any local calls, infact i was just slated and spammed by everyone else. Oh dear! not good. Then Solar Silver convo'd me and asked if she could help. I explained what had happened. She came back to me 5 mins later and assured me everything was ok with my freight, it would be held in the station and contracted back to me. Apparently she had spoken to MWD in RL and he was having drams with his kids and so was offline. A phonecall to pieceofmind by her also found that he was AFK but would be back in a few hours. I mentioned about the standings and that clearly they had not been set, Goons are NBSI. Minutes later i am talking to Yaacov who introduces himself as the Stn Manager for Goonswarm asking me if MWD mentioned a deposit for docking in the Stn. I explained i didnt have 500 mill (the cost) and that my assets being held should be enough to show that i am not about to war dec the goons in a one man corp! however, drivvle spouted to me about auto API entry into wallet etc, and it had to show as a temporary standings entry for a corp. Yaacov agreed to accept 250 mill, after he said he had spoken to alliance Headshed who would make an acception. i had 237. he gave me the difference, i paid him, he logged off! Enter stage left an automatic fear of being had over. I entered the convo with Solar Silver, i entered, hi Solar, or is it microwarpdrive? 'Bah you got me' was the reply....'nope,......i think you got me!' was mine! "Pull the pin, then throw me in!"
Tierie Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:33:00 - [2] Edited by: Tierie on 13/05/2009 12:33:33 holy formatting, batman also, the goonswarm recruitment scam is pretty much as well known as the "SEND ME FIVE MILL AND ILL SEND FIFTEEN MIL BACK"
WO2 Tiger Caldari The TigerZ	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:39:00 - [3] A lot of characters involved in an elaborate, and to a certain extent well executed scam. the fact of the matter is that my character was left with nuthin cept a cov ops ship. I had lost 3 yrs of asset growing, and around 10 bill of assets (originally thought less than that). Never say never in Eve, that is true, but the fact is that a scam of that magnitude has forced me to end the game and therfore, end my payment to CCP. There are scams and there are scams, then there's just down right bloody dirty. What had happened to me was un-acceptable. My assets were seen as more attractive than 'just another pilot' in a large alliance, and probably worth the publicity. Well done Goons, Well done! Regards all to those who play EVE, it has been enjoyable to play in every way and all i was looking for in a game. I managed to hold the game to RL committments, and in my line of work, thats been busy! Last night i saw for the first time something that i have never seen. Apart from the scam, it was rotating silvery words that zoomed in from a far away perspective point. It said, GAME OVER Regards [email protected] PS: Comments or thoughts accepted to the above email address. "Pull the pin, then throw me in!"
Tierie Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:41:00 - [4] It does, however, suck. Don't let this push you from the game; get back at them.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:46:00 - [5] Yeah you should have known better. Its really easy to get into Goonfleet if you know how. Just give me 100mil and I will get my alt to set +3 to you. Getting a POS up though will cost more, if that interests you.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:48:00 - [6] Originally by: WO2 Tiger A lot of characters involved in an elaborate, and to a certain extent well executed scam. the fact of the matter is that my character was left with nuthin cept a cov ops ship. I had lost 3 yrs of asset growing, and around 10 bill of assets (originally thought less than that). Never say never in Eve, that is true, but the fact is that a scam of that magnitude has forced me to end the game and therfore, end my payment to CCP. There are scams and there are scams, then there's just down right bloody dirty. What had happened to me was un-acceptable. My assets were seen as more attractive than 'just another pilot' in a large alliance, and probably worth the publicity. Well done Goons, Well done! Regards all to those who play EVE, it has been enjoyable to play in every way and all i was looking for in a game. I managed to hold the game to RL committments, and in my line of work, thats been busy! Last night i saw for the first time something that i have never seen. Apart from the scam, it was rotating silvery words that zoomed in from a far away perspective point. It said, GAME OVER Regards [email protected] PS: Comments or thoughts accepted to the above email address. Bye, good luck with the forces. I cant say i have any sympathy for you. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Mynxee Hellcats	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:51:00 - [7] Really too bad this happened to you, but considering all that has been written about how Goonswarm operates, it seems like you should've seen it coming miles away. Still...it's easy to let yourself get manipulated into compliance when the people doing the manipulating are clever, smooth, and experienced. Personally, every time I hand over large sums of ISK or items of substantial value to another player--even someone I may know in RL and trust--I ask myself if I could live with losing it. If the answer is No, I don't hand it over. Simple as, really. Bump It! \| My Blog: Life in Low Sec
Weight What	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:52:00 - [8] Originally by: WO2 Tiger the fact of the matter is that my character was left with nuthin cept a cov ops ship. Originally by: Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball Use remaining assets. Search for new treasures. Capitalise on your misfortune. ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".
WO2 Tiger Caldari The TigerZ	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:53:00 - [9] yep i agree with all. My point is that i 'wanted to play again', i rushed in, i let down my guard and got bummed in the process. Personally, i don't think the game needs this sort of dynamic to it. it's not necessary and only makes people bloody miserable. ;-) "Pull the pin, then throw me in!"
Kage Toshimado Gallente The Logistical Nightmare	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:55:00 - [10] Now whilst you're reading this i know what you're saying "what a bloody idiot", As soon as I read the title I thought, why? Why don't people learn? I won't even stay in the same chat as a goonfleet pilot.

Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:55:00 - [11] Well done MWD2!
Daveion Steel Gallente 6thsense Corp Blue Sun Trust	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Kage Toshimado As soon as I read the title I thought, why? Why don't people learn? I won't even stay in the same chat as a goonfleet pilot.[/quote This.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.05.13 12:59:00 - [13] Who would have thought that uniting under the banner of behaving like a tumble of drunken thirteen year olds would have been the key to success? I mean... obviously a few people must have realised the potential of it, I'll bet it's better to be on the inside laughing outwards, than to be out here laughing inwards. Shame they have to show up in EVERY game though....
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:00:00 - [14] There are no trustworthy Goons. It's as simple as that. --Vel Experience is what you get right after you need it.
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:00:00 - [15] Originally by: WO2 Tiger ...and only makes people bloody miserable. But this is exactly why lots of a*holes play this game. It attracts sums that know they can make others miserable via their internet connection. It's the beauty of internet anonimity. You can bring about the worst in you with hardly any repercussions.
Mynxee Hellcats	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:01:00 - [16] Originally by: WO2 Tiger Personally, i don't think the game needs this sort of dynamic to it. it's not necessary and only makes people bloody miserable. But fact is, scams and theft are easily avoidable so they are only a problem for those who open themselves up to being taken advantage of--as you admitted. This aspect of the game should NEVER change, otherwise we'd miss out on all the entertaining tales of woe that depend on it. Bump It! \| My Blog: Life in Low Sec
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:04:00 - [17] Originally by: WO2 Tiger yep i agree with all. My point is that i 'wanted to play again', i rushed in, i let down my guard and got bummed in the process. Personally, i don't think the game needs this sort of dynamic to it. it's not necessary and only makes people bloody miserable. ;-) How can you play for 3 years and not know that scamming is a big part of Eve? Furthermore contracting away your entire assets with nothing to fall back on is just plain stupid regardless of who's asking you and their legitimacy. I'm sorry but I have absolutely no sympathy for someone who has been playing the game for 3 years and STILL manages to get scammed by one of the most obvious confidence tricks in the book.
WO2 Tiger Caldari The TigerZ	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:08:00 - [18] I'm not after sympathy from anyone and if you read my post correctly, i have congratualted them for their scam. The lesson of the sotry is dont rush in. And for your info, i have been playing for 3 yrs, but during that time i have been at war twice - Iraq and Afghanistan. RL doesn't stop because a game demands it........thats when the whole world plunges into an even further chaotic abyss that it is in now! KK, thanks for your comments, end now. "Pull the pin, then throw me in!"
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Durzel Originally by: WO2 Tiger yep i agree with all. My point is that i 'wanted to play again', i rushed in, i let down my guard and got bummed in the process. Personally, i don't think the game needs this sort of dynamic to it. it's not necessary and only makes people bloody miserable. ;-) How can you play for 3 years and not know that scamming is a big part of Eve? Furthermore contracting away your entire assets with nothing to fall back on is just plain stupid regardless of who's asking you and their legitimacy. I'm sorry but I have absolutely no sympathy for someone who has been playing the game for 3 years and STILL manages to get scammed by one of the most obvious confidence tricks in the book. lol yeah pretty much this. I don't even trust my friends with a fifth of my assets.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:14:00 - [20] Quote: As soon as I read the title I thought, why? Why don't people learn? Because humanity's "big" achievement has been to circumvent Darwin's "laws". These are the results.

Ta'jek Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:26:00 - [21] hmm coming back safe and sound from Iraq/Afghanistan vs scamming somebody outta internet spaceships... got more respect for the first then the second....
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:32:00 - [22] Nicely executed scam, good reward. GJ MWD2 ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
info specialist	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:33:00 - [23] If you were in those 2 places way over there then let me ask you this. When a 7 year old brings you a loaf of bread and it is ticking, do you accept it and say thanks? Or do you let him keep it and turn and run? In the story above, you not only accepted the bread, but you gave the little, loving boy, a chocolate bar and sent him on his merrily way. So let me remind you, if you play in a pit full of Rattlesnakes, you will get bit. Or, in the case with Goons, if you play in a cage with a bunch of monkeys, you WILL get **ed on and monkey ** thrown at you.
Mystafyre Caldari Dark Materials Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:33:00 - [24] Edited by: Mystafyre on 13/05/2009 13:35:09 Damn these scams are getting interesting! Tell a heart touching story. Tell people that you're quiting. Wait for the cash flow from people who feel sorry for you.
Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:35:00 - [25] Honest question: While you were in the process of contracting every single thing that you owned to a goon, did you not even have a slight feeling that it might not be such a good idea?
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:37:00 - [26] Originally by: WO2 Tiger I'm not after sympathy from anyone and if you read my post correctly, i have congratualted them for their scam. You're not asking for sympathy yet you're lamenting about how this scam means "the end of the game for me" in the thread title and in your first post. As someone who is in the forces I would've presumed you would be au fait with the quote "Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising every time we fall". So you're back to square one, you've learnt a very expensive lesson and are richer (experience wise) for it. Someone with approx 3 years of skill training & standings would find it much easier to get back on their feet than a 1 day old noob.
WO2 Tiger Caldari The TigerZ	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:38:00 - [27] Originally by: Zaqar Honest question: While you were in the process of contracting every single thing that you owned to a goon, did you not even have a slight feeling that it might not be such a good idea? Of course, but as i said....i just wanted to play again.......i had flown with the goons before, didn't think that it would happen but well, there ya go. And a kid coming to me with a loaf of bread ticking i hope is a metaphor! In those situations they get a bullet in the head.......or centre of mass which ever is the preferred option or depending on the type of day ive had! "Pull the pin, then throw me in!"
WO2 Tiger Caldari The TigerZ	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:39:00 - [28] Originally by: Durzel Originally by: WO2 Tiger I'm not after sympathy from anyone and if you read my post correctly, i have congratualted them for their scam. You're not asking for sympathy yet you're lamenting about how this scam means "the end of the game for me" in the thread title and in your first post. As someone who is in the forces I would've presumed you would be au fait with the quote "Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising every time we fall". So you're back to square one, you've learnt a very expensive lesson and are richer (experience wise) for it. Someone with approx 3 years of skill training & standings would find it much easier to get back on their feet than a 1 day old noob. Sure, yep another fair point, but to be honest the wife has had a tit job and boy do they look good! So.............back to the wife for a few years, till the next game comes along! ;-) "Pull the pin, then throw me in!"
Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:42:00 - [29] Well, there's nothing I can tell you that you don't already know. Except don't quit - you're not your posessions, you're not your ship. Use what you've got left to get back on your feet. Call in some favours.
WO2 Tiger Caldari The TigerZ	Posted - 2009.05.13 13:46:00 - [30] Originally by: Zaqar Well, there's nothing I can tell you that you don't already know. Except don't quit - you're not your posessions, you're not your ship. Use what you've got left to get back on your feet. Call in some favours. Yeah, another fair point, and i could easily call in some favours too and thanks for the EMails to those who have offered support / isk. No....this is not a scam BTW. My point remains that i have been subjected to a dynamic of the game that whilst i agree adds a dimension, its not a dimension i want in it. It is for that reason that i am quitting. I am not sulking, i am making a point. THAT, is my point. Cheers. "Pull the pin, then throw me in!"



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