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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
65
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Posted - 2012.05.11 09:26:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
65
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Posted - 2012.05.11 09:28:00 -
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Gogela wrote: What a sense of entitlement you have. I pretty much go it alone (actually I carry an alt in tow a lot of the time for tactical reasons) and I think it's an advantage. You can live like a vulture in Tama ninja looting wrecks of players you didn't kill... or anywhere you care to go. You can make a killing at it using destroyers w/ stabs low and salvagers high. You can gate camp for transports in lowsec, running away when someone in something that can shoot comes though. That makes good isk. I'm starting to plan for piracy in a FW malitia. It's something new and sounds like it could be profitable. There's a lot of different ways to make it as a solo guy... and actually for me it's an advantage to not have to split up my loot and share it. We all pay subs. You can't ask the game to be tailored to what you want to do... you have to think about what you have to do to play the game achieve your goals. If you like high sec fine. Enjoy it. You are not entitled to the benefits of more dangerous space because you pay a sub. You should check out some of the cool highsec NPC corps.
You are talking out of your arse mate. I have been playing for nearly 9 years. In that time I have PVP'd been part of larger corps and alliances (when I had more time to commit), lived in low and nul sec and made ISK in many different and wonderful ways. How about you check your facts before claiming you know **** about me and my motivations and how much I know of the game.
I'm just explaining why some ppl don't go into lower sec. Coming in here and insulting ppl you know nothing about and making yourself look stupid isn't helping.
Some one needs to spoon feed you some humility.
Tal |
Soloman Swift
Animus Imperat
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:45:00 -
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I wrote a big long post but the forum swallowed it.
As someone who WANTS to be in null sec but has been part of and seen way too many of the downsides to the corps/alliances/mechanics/mindset of null sec:
Why would I give up other aspects of the EvE experience (Econ/Industry) to move to somewhere in a perma pvp mode with a bunch of people who, going by the forums and experience in game, get their kicks from being rude and treating anyone whos not in their little clique like a tool?
Sounds as much fun as chewing staples. |
Wilma Lawson
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:30:00 -
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Soloman Swift wrote:I wrote a big long post but the forum swallowed it.
As someone who WANTS to be in null sec but has been part of and seen way too many of the downsides to the corps/alliances/mechanics/mindset of null sec:
Why would I give up other aspects of the EvE experience (Econ/Industry) to move to somewhere in a perma pvp mode with a bunch of people who, going by the forums and experience in game, get their kicks from being rude and treating anyone whos not in their little clique like a tool?
Sounds as much fun as chewing staples. Nicely written! Exactly what I've been trying to get across. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1204
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:58:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Funny how "the novelty wore off" at the exact same time as the anom nerf
Never done an anomaly in 0.0 I'd stayed in hi sec if I wanted to shoot red crosses you know. But hey, as I posted above, it's 0.0 players who flip their alts back and from hi sec, NOT hi sec players. It was pretty solid ISK, easily the best you could make easily and reliably when shooting NPCs, pre-incursion. This statement is true. Anomalies are good ISK. I'm telling the truth. Confirming I love to run L4s in highsec on my neutral alt (small corp to avoid paying NPC corp taxes, of course).
And I would bring my industrial/Tengu alt in null ASAP if it wasn't so restrictive for farming alts (some corporations, some alliances, some paranoia inside of course) The time I run a lvl4 in high sec with my T2 Tengu and cash it out I'd be making double in null sec. Just an opinion. |
Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
64
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:14:00 -
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Look, it's all really quite simple.
You CANNOT force a player to do what he doesn't want to do.
I don't mean "cannot" as in "not able to with game mechanics". And I don't mean "you shouldn't". I mean you CAN NOT as in "the moment you do it, they cease to be a player of the game". Just like you cannot blow out the sun with flatulence, no matter how epic. This applies to both forcing the player, and trying to get him to do it by enticing him instead (high rewards in lower sec). If a player doesn't wish to be in low/null, he will not go to low/null. It's all really quite simple. And nothing will change that.
Now, you could remove high sec. The end result? The 60% of player base that live there will leave the game. Because...say it with me...you CANNOT force a player to do what he doesn't want to do! High sec exists, and is more populated than low and null and wormholes put together, because players WANT to be there. Take it away, or make it impractical, and all you will accomplish is lose the bulk of your player base.
I don't know how else I can explain that in simpler terms that you guys would understand. High sec isn't broken, it's a CHOICE. You can't "fix" a choice made by another player, and you can't force your playstyle on them. If their chosen playstyle becomes nonviable - either due to game rules redesign or hostile player interference - they simply leave. |
Kieron VonDeux
27
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Posted - 2012.05.11 15:09:00 -
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Soloman Swift wrote:I wrote a big long post but the forum swallowed it.
As someone who WANTS to be in null sec but has been part of and seen way too many of the downsides to the corps/alliances/mechanics/mindset of null sec:
Why would I give up other aspects of the EvE experience (Econ/Industry) to move to somewhere in a perma pvp mode with a bunch of people who, going by the forums and experience in game, get their kicks from being rude and treating anyone whos not in their little clique like a tool?
Sounds as much fun as chewing staples.
Very well written. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
743
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:08:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Gogela wrote: Counterintuitive though it may seem, on a per-capita basis null gets safer the more people go out there because of the security relationships. If the ISK benefits of null were far greater than highsec, people would be moving out there in waves (we call them corps). They would form alliances which in turn would patrol space for pirates and enemies leaving you to do your lame NPC ISK farming in relative peace, and you would make a lot more per hr. The reason a lot of people don't go into null is that player infrastructure has left for greener pastures. You can easily make more in highsec then null... so why go? The best missions and resources should be in null. Then you could loose a BS and it would only set you back a couple of hours. The reason YOU don't want to go to null is because you haven't read anything about this game, you have like 2 strategies for making ISK, and you don't want to learn anything more or think, and you don't know how to PvP. If the incentive is brought back to null the alliances (some) will actually take the time to spoon feed you game knowledge so the larger organization can bennifit from your success. That's how it's supposed to work. I can see though you are too comfortable thinking in two dimensions, though... so that's all I'll say. Good luck to you..
You are talking out of your arse mate. I have been playing for nearly 9 years. In that time I have PVP'd been part of larger corps and alliances (when I had more time to commit), lived in low and nul sec and made ISK in many different and wonderful ways. How about you check your facts before claiming you know **** about me and my motivations and how much I know of the game. I'm just explaining why some ppl don't go into lower sec. Coming in here and insulting ppl you know nothing about and making yourself look stupid isn't helping. Some one needs to spoon feed you some humility. Tal Ahhh.... I think the fact that you've been playing for 9 years and can't string together a few ships and are still having conniptions about loosing your ships in null speaks volumes. Some people get better at things when they do them for a long time. Guess you aren't in that club. You live a hard life. I would wager a great many tears have been harvested from your face. lol!
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
678
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:15:00 -
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Kieron VonDeux wrote:Soloman Swift wrote:I wrote a big long post but the forum swallowed it.
As someone who WANTS to be in null sec but has been part of and seen way too many of the downsides to the corps/alliances/mechanics/mindset of null sec:
Why would I give up other aspects of the EvE experience (Econ/Industry) to move to somewhere in a perma pvp mode with a bunch of people who, going by the forums and experience in game, get their kicks from being rude and treating anyone whos not in their little clique like a tool?
Sounds as much fun as chewing staples. Very well written. YMMV. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
257
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Posted - 2012.05.11 19:41:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote: I guess you're right about one thing, high sec players don't fear PvP - they fear dying. Slight difference.
I don't fear either...I fear wasting my time making up for losses that I don't have to incur in the first place.
Time is the most precious thing I have. The consequences for death in EvE means you must spend time making up for it. |
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
68
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Posted - 2012.05.11 22:09:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Gogela wrote: Counterintuitive though it may seem, on a per-capita basis null gets safer the more people go out there because of the security relationships. If the ISK benefits of null were far greater than highsec, people would be moving out there in waves (we call them corps). They would form alliances which in turn would patrol space for pirates and enemies leaving you to do your lame NPC ISK farming in relative peace, and you would make a lot more per hr. The reason a lot of people don't go into null is that player infrastructure has left for greener pastures. You can easily make more in highsec then null... so why go? The best missions and resources should be in null. Then you could loose a BS and it would only set you back a couple of hours. The reason YOU don't want to go to null is because you haven't read anything about this game, you have like 2 strategies for making ISK, and you don't want to learn anything more or think, and you don't know how to PvP. If the incentive is brought back to null the alliances (some) will actually take the time to spoon feed you game knowledge so the larger organization can bennifit from your success. That's how it's supposed to work. I can see though you are too comfortable thinking in two dimensions, though... so that's all I'll say. Good luck to you..
You are talking out of your arse mate. I have been playing for nearly 9 years. In that time I have PVP'd been part of larger corps and alliances (when I had more time to commit), lived in low and nul sec and made ISK in many different and wonderful ways. How about you check your facts before claiming you know **** about me and my motivations and how much I know of the game. I'm just explaining why some ppl don't go into lower sec. Coming in here and insulting ppl you know nothing about and making yourself look stupid isn't helping. Some one needs to spoon feed you some humility. Tal Ahhh.... I think the fact that you've been playing for 9 years and can't string together a few ships and are still having conniptions about loosing your ships in null speaks volumes. Some people get better at things when they do them for a long time. Guess you aren't in that club. You live a hard life. I would wager a great many tears have been harvested from your face. lol!
What a tool.... lol
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
193
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Posted - 2012.05.11 22:47:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Perramas wrote:Im not an o.o player, Im one of those who CCP Soundwave wishes to push by brute force into o.o space. The way to get me to stay in the game and move to o.o space would be to let me respec all the millions and millions of skillpoints I have in science, industry mining barges and exhumers into gunnery and spaceship skills. Otherwise I am nothing but a red plus or asteroid to be farmed or harvested. I do not wish to be farmed because I invested my training time into noncombat skills. There's no reason why you couldn't be a 0.0 player though. There are minerals and missions and complexes in 0.0 and they are all more profitable than in empire. The main reason you don't go is that you think that the second you enter you'll be ganked by 50 dudes, when the reality is that miners are more likely to be ganked in highsec these days.
Yeah, you are mistaken. 0.0 is safe for anyone moving within territories controlled by, (or at least safeguarded by), their Alliance, but for anyone else it is essentially a Deathtrap.
I have been in and out of 0.0 many times for many different reasons and not a one of them was spying or grief-cloaking. Every experience without exception has been extremely hazardous and many have ended with me being podded back to wherever I came from.
I suppose I have got through and back more times than been podded, but it isn't because someone, or more often multiple someones didn't try. I think I have ever only been in 0.0 once without actually having someone make the effort to gank me at some point. This includes Faction 0.0 just as much as it includes true Nullsec.
I've been playing ~5 years and while not specifically afraid to go into 0.0, I generally tend not to unless I'm forced to for some reason or willing to take the risk with a little minimization strategy. My experience has taught me the opposite of what you say is true, and I've been in most every section of 0.0, so it's not like I keep going back to any one particular place though I have visited a few places more often than others.
Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
673
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Posted - 2012.05.11 23:07:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Yeah, you are mistaken. 0.0 is safe for anyone moving within territories controlled by, (or at least safeguarded by), their Alliance, but for anyone else it is essentially a Deathtrap. So, this is a setup for a joint "lol nullbear" and "~honor~less blobbers" post, right?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
416
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Posted - 2012.05.12 00:09:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Mars Theran wrote:Yeah, you are mistaken. 0.0 is safe for anyone moving within territories controlled by, (or at least safeguarded by), their Alliance, but for anyone else it is essentially a Deathtrap. So, this is a setup for a joint "lol nullbear" and "~honor~less blobbers" post, right?
I wouldn't even go so far with that idea. I see this thread as a haphazard attempt to bridge the gap between the two sectors. Seriously though, no trolling or being facetious, what nulsec alliance would allow anyone who isn't blue to traipse through their territory unmolested? Well...I mean besides a NRDS alliance.
I don't know...I've been thinking about Nulsec, just don't know yet...I actually want to. "If." |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team
88
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Posted - 2012.05.12 00:15:00 -
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Nephilius wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mars Theran wrote:Yeah, you are mistaken. 0.0 is safe for anyone moving within territories controlled by, (or at least safeguarded by), their Alliance, but for anyone else it is essentially a Deathtrap. So, this is a setup for a joint "lol nullbear" and "~honor~less blobbers" post, right? I wouldn't even go so far with that idea. I see this thread as a haphazard attempt to bridge the gap between the two sectors. Seriously though, no trolling or being facetious, what nulsec alliance would allow anyone who isn't blue to traipse through their territory unmolested? Well...I mean besides a NRDS alliance. I don't know...I've been thinking about Nulsec, just don't know yet...I actually want to.
In fairness you do have a point.
Red = Dead after all. In fact anything thats not blue = dead (especially green)
Thats not to say however that theres a lack of respect involved. simply that some of us, myself included are trigger happy killmail ho's.
That said it's nice to see new faces. And shoot them. But that doesn't mean we're going to be nasty about it. There was a dream once however. a dream of a thunder dome. a dream of freeports. A dream of a lowsec experience without those pesky gate guns. A dream that can never die. I like my coffee like I like my men. In a plastic cup http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
690
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Posted - 2012.05.12 00:15:00 -
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Nephilius wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mars Theran wrote:Yeah, you are mistaken. 0.0 is safe for anyone moving within territories controlled by, (or at least safeguarded by), their Alliance, but for anyone else it is essentially a Deathtrap. So, this is a setup for a joint "lol nullbear" and "~honor~less blobbers" post, right? I wouldn't even go so far with that idea. I see this thread as a haphazard attempt to bridge the gap between the two sectors. Seriously though, no trolling or being facetious, what nulsec alliance would allow anyone who isn't blue to traipse through their territory unmolested? Well...I mean besides a NRDS alliance. I don't know...I've been thinking about Nulsec, just don't know yet...I actually want to. Do not hesitate. Go. Join the corp of your choice, move your medical clone to their facilities, and pod yourself via self-destruct.
Leave your assets in high-sec as a "safety net" and go out there. You can always go back and sell them later.
I did. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Sernum
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.05.12 00:15:00 -
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buff to fw would go a long way |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
416
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Posted - 2012.05.12 00:45:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Nephilius wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mars Theran wrote:Yeah, you are mistaken. 0.0 is safe for anyone moving within territories controlled by, (or at least safeguarded by), their Alliance, but for anyone else it is essentially a Deathtrap. So, this is a setup for a joint "lol nullbear" and "~honor~less blobbers" post, right? I wouldn't even go so far with that idea. I see this thread as a haphazard attempt to bridge the gap between the two sectors. Seriously though, no trolling or being facetious, what nulsec alliance would allow anyone who isn't blue to traipse through their territory unmolested? Well...I mean besides a NRDS alliance. I don't know...I've been thinking about Nulsec, just don't know yet...I actually want to. Do not hesitate. Go. Join the corp of your choice, move your medical clone to their facilities, and pod yourself via self-destruct. Leave your assets in high-sec as a "safety net" and go out there. You can always go back and sell them later. I did.
Gustav, only one real thing really stops me...as mentioned, my inability to be on every night. I live so close to nulsec, it's almost funny. Like seven jumps from Goon space, provided they still have EC. I'm assuming they have had EC at one time, I've stuck my nose out there via the Black Rise back door before.
I don't know, you look at my KB and tell me if that's want you would want...last look I was 44-46, but my Isk destroyed/Isk lost is horribly skewed due to a gank that has BPCs valued as BPOs. Looks horrible. Ihate it, and honestly, that one incident really made me isolate myself from that point on.
But yeah, I think I would enjoy hooking up with a solid alliance out near my area, doing the nulsec thing. I've just never tried because the those stats and my real life. That's pretty much it. "If." |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team
89
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Posted - 2012.05.12 00:50:00 -
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Nephilius wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Nephilius wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mars Theran wrote:Yeah, you are mistaken. 0.0 is safe for anyone moving within territories controlled by, (or at least safeguarded by), their Alliance, but for anyone else it is essentially a Deathtrap. So, this is a setup for a joint "lol nullbear" and "~honor~less blobbers" post, right? I wouldn't even go so far with that idea. I see this thread as a haphazard attempt to bridge the gap between the two sectors. Seriously though, no trolling or being facetious, what nulsec alliance would allow anyone who isn't blue to traipse through their territory unmolested? Well...I mean besides a NRDS alliance. I don't know...I've been thinking about Nulsec, just don't know yet...I actually want to. Do not hesitate. Go. Join the corp of your choice, move your medical clone to their facilities, and pod yourself via self-destruct. Leave your assets in high-sec as a "safety net" and go out there. You can always go back and sell them later. I did. Gustav, only one real thing really stops me...as mentioned, my inability to be on every night. I live so close to nulsec, it's almost funny. Like seven jumps from Goon space, provided they still have EC. I'm assuming they have had EC at one time, I've stuck my nose out there via the Black Rise back door before. I don't know, you look at my KB and tell me if that's want you would want...last look I was 44-46, but my Isk destroyed/Isk lost is horribly skewed due to a gank that has BPCs valued as BPOs. Looks horrible. Ihate it, and honestly, that one incident really made me isolate myself from that point on. But yeah, I think I would enjoy hooking up with a solid alliance out near my area, doing the nulsec thing. I've just never tried because the those stats and my real life. That's pretty much it.
It shouldn't really matter. I'm not on every night. And yet I'm still out in Null. 100% participation is the realm of the elitist and the overbearing. What matters imho is honest commitment to the cause of your alliance and an ability and willingness to pitch in as and when you have that time.
And Killboards aren't a fair indication of success rate. Theres a great deal of kills I missed out on as I was providing another role for the fleet. Scouts don't get kills, but fleets don't get kills without scouts. Unless they're just derping it. and then they don't last as long I like my coffee like I like my men. In a plastic cup http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
396
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Posted - 2012.05.12 01:07:00 -
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I re-engineered a nullsec corp and geared it towards the casual nullsec player. It is perfectly possible to play in nullsec casually, but only in "eve terms" casually. It does take a certain block of time to even get at fights in nullsec, or to really get sorted and get cooking in some isk generation. I'd say 1-2 2 hour blocks per week is the bare minimum to really enjoy the nullsec experience. There are still many players in my old corp who play this much and are great contributors to the corp and alliance. Anything less than that, I think you're better off elsewhere, I imagine WHs are similar. |
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
193
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:58:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Mars Theran wrote:Yeah, you are mistaken. 0.0 is safe for anyone moving within territories controlled by, (or at least safeguarded by), their Alliance, but for anyone else it is essentially a Deathtrap. So, this is a setup for a joint "lol nullbear" and "~honor~less blobbers" post, right?
Not at all. ..you obviously don't pay much attention to my posting, (not that I expect you to), or you'd know I have never spoken or typeth the phrase "lol nullbear", much less used the term "~honor~less blobbers."
I'm just making an observation and disagreeing with someone based on my own experience. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.05.12 05:47:00 -
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I don't intend to graduate to nullsec or to lowsec. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
38
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Posted - 2012.05.12 06:03:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:1) If you were CCP, how would you get more players involved in 0.0 space and low sec - without compromising or getting rid of high sec completely?
The main reason players are afraid of low and null sec is because they never go and it slowly grows over time to be some monstrous death zone where only the most skilled players could ever go. Players start thinking 'maybe when I finish another 6 months of skills I'll go there' and they never feel comfortable with the idea of going. GSF tries to make sure that newbees get out to 0.0 within hours of joining the alliance to avoid this from happening. Players will get more involved in 0.0 and low sec when they realise it's not an instakill death fortress, I'd recommend that everyone who is afraid of 0.0 to create a trial account, train it up for a day (at most) and then go into low sec and realise how only a handful of systems are dangerous. PS: Moving content won't force people to leave because the issue isn't one of risk vs reward at all, it's 'fear of the unknown'. High sec players will just start grinding the less profitable activities instead.
I heard that you do offer that. If i decided to join ya i have to contract my gear to you. you accept i promptly get part way out then all fo sudden your fleet shoots my new megathron and then i wonder why i am in my medical clone going WTF and then i realized you booted me from corp/alliance and stolen all my gear. heard this a thousand times.
So as to answer the OPs question. 1> you will get GOONs say that empire space should have nothing to make isk if not very little. cannot be done leave the missions where they are. 2> Remove incursion from empire will never happen for the idiot who said remove it from empire. You forget its an invasion or did you forget your brain...oh yeah its a GOON explains everything 3> now maybe getting people into 0.0 space would involve the scammers getting a Lobotomy along with all of GOONSs and their pets. that might help get new folk interested. but we know this will never happen. 4> Hope that these new players find a corp that is WILLING to help and not rob them or back stab them in some fashion to show them the way
have fun kids |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
38
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Posted - 2012.05.12 06:04:00 -
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Duvida wrote:I don't intend to graduate to nullsec or to lowsec.
AWSOME!!! playt he game the way you want man. oh hold it!!!! yeah yeah your right its a sandbox enjoy yourself and have fun
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
675
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Posted - 2012.05.12 06:07:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mars Theran wrote:Yeah, you are mistaken. 0.0 is safe for anyone moving within territories controlled by, (or at least safeguarded by), their Alliance, but for anyone else it is essentially a Deathtrap. So, this is a setup for a joint "lol nullbear" and "~honor~less blobbers" post, right? Not at all. ..you obviously don't pay much attention to my posting, (not that I expect you to), or you'd know I have never spoken or typeth the phrase "lol nullbear", much less used the term "~honor~less blobbers." I'm just making an observation and disagreeing with someone based on my own experience. No no no, I meant someone else would come in and say it... but I guess they won't now ^___^ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2012.05.12 06:44:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote: Anything less than that, I think you're better off elsewhere, I imagine WHs are similar. WHs are the opposite of casual:
in 0.0 you can log in, undock your ratting ship and earn some isk if nothing else is going on - even if you have to leave after 15 minutes you still haven't wasted your time, if nobody else is online it's all the better.
In WHs you can do nothing when your corp isn't online (other than scanning out sites in hope that more people will come online later) - solo play is flat out impossible.
I haven't been in a wormhole corp myself but was in alliance with a former wh corp - they had moved into their C5 with high hopes and for the first 1-2 weeks everything went great - the scheduled PvE ops (daily) had high attendance and everybody made a lot of ISK.
Then came a period of low attendance and they could only get 2-3 people online at a time - and those 2-3 people could do nothing but sit around fiddling their thumbs and wait for another 3 people to log in. They weren't just less effective when they didn't get enough members, they were not able to do anything at all on their own.
By the time the other players returned those that had spent way too much time doing nothing (when they wanted to earn money for the capitals/supers they had set their eyes upon) had quit in frustration and the problem continued.
Eventually they gave up their big hopes, pulled down the POS and moved to 0.0 (for pvp) and high-sec (for incursions). |
Jhoria Englside
Hedron Industries High Rollers
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Posted - 2012.05.12 11:18:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Bane Necran wrote:They don't call them nullbears for nothing. What is there to adapt to? See stranger in local - warp to safety.
The hardest thing about living in 0.0 is getting there. After you're there, it's even safer than hisec. Ignoring the classic misconceptions and falsehoods, getting there is actually the easiest part. You just set your med clone and kill yourself. Again, you really have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, and unless you want to act as a caricature for us to use as examples, I suggest you just stop. I live in null and I have to say most of what has been said I can agree with to a point. But saying "use game mechanics newbies don't know how to use taking advantage of an empty clone newbies don't have to get to null easy sauce" is poor game design. As soon as they learn about implants everyone gets a set. But newbies don't usually have JC to protect their learning set. Gate amps or the perceived prevalence IS a barrier of entry. |
Draco5432
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Posted - 2012.05.12 12:12:00 -
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I know I will most Likely be labeled as a noob But meh.
The reasons I kinda sorta don't want to leave high sec is mainly the amount of stuff I will loose if I do. I have many many skill points set kinda all over the place. I have many many items and a bunch of ships. I am also very casual. I have to admit I havn't really done much missions and mainly just went out mining. Trying to find lvl 1 mission NPCs in high sec is hard enough outside the starting areas Let alone in a low to Null sec area. ntm the shear amount of missions you have to do to get anywhere.
On top of that there is the fear of being killed. Clones are expensive when you have so many skill points as are the +5 Augments I have. Now sure Imma loose those regardless if I ever decide to switch those out.
Now don't get me wrong. I have dreamed of owning my own POS and even a titan or super capital. It just disheartens me that no matter what I try I am going to loose them. My corp is small and some yahoo is gonna have them destroyed the second he finds them. Literally shredding my dreams with the help of his corp.
The other problems I have is I'm not very good with numbers. Its quite hard for me to see if that gun or modual there is actually better than the one I currently have. I mostly have to depend on others. or waist a load of isk to find out I got the wrong guns. Also I see scouting with a pod as suicide. Ya lets just poke my head out and see if anyone is there.
Its almost like the only real way for a Highsec player to go to low sec is for them to get some cheap ass ship. make sure their clone is good and up to snuff. Take out all your augments and hightail it hoping your ship is faster than the gate campers.. cuz there are ALWAYS gate campers. No exception. |
Caliph Muhammed
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Posted - 2012.05.12 12:24:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
What about CCP just works to get newbies into 0.0 - everyone who is in high sec now is a lost cause, the attitude is set in place and no game play changes will do anything but convince them that their attitude is right.
Get new players out into 0.0 and get them mining, missioning and doing all the same old stuff BEFORE the attitude can set in and they'll stay out there because once you're used to living in 0.0, empire seems very bland.
This is in all honesty the best course of action. Some minor limitations to danger may be put in place and the limitations expire after lets say a month. From personal experience, everyone I know that got killed and podded very early on or lived in 0.0 within days/weeks of starting has an entirely different attitude towards the game than this "omg griefers everywhere" crowd. Also, severely shrink high sec in size. Remove all lucrative npcing and make asteroids tiny. So tiny that a hulk pops one per single strip miner cycle. Remove ice. Factories and labs become hundred fold more expensive if you're older than 30 days. Limit poses to small and make them cost as much as large poses outside of high sec. Also put in some harsh cap on the market order update frequency if you're older than 30 days, like once per day and increase taxes. Do all that and then I don't give s **** any more if they ban the activation of weapons vs player in high sec. People keep saying high sec is for noobs. What I've mentioned above is perfectly fine for noobs. Noobs don't fly hulks. The career noobs, retards and blatant isk farmers can un-noob themselves or gtfo. They contribute nothing to the game anyway. To get people out of high sec, it really has to become a pathetic place to live beyond your noob years. The attitude now is wtf do I need to leave high sec? I got everything here. In fact give me more and make it even easier. Living outside of high sec needs to become the default natural progression.
Wow, you're about as braindead as they come. For the sake of EVE's intellectual reputation please stop posting. Jesus Christ, i've never had the misfortune of reading such absolutely idiotic tripe. |
Caliph Muhammed
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Posted - 2012.05.12 12:37:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Negative reinforcement is never an answer to a problem like this. Nerfing high-sec income, moving incursions or high level missions to lowsec, etc... will not convince people to move to those areas in any reasonable number. They will simply remain in high-sec and live with lesser incomes; or stop playing Eve, which is definitely not what we should want.
This issue isn't one of game design, but of players. There's a great deal of misunderstanding and misrepresentation among high-sec inhabitants in regards to null-sec (I won't discuss low-sec as I have little experience there) and that is our fault.
Null-sec players are seen as psychopaths that will murder them the second they jump into a 0.0 system, which is true. Null-sec alliances are seen as xenophobic, monolithic entities that they can never be a part of. This isn't true, and in fact many null-sec alliances will recruit anyone with a pulse, but the handful of alliances with insane recruitment policies have poisoned the well. Everyone just assumes outright that they won't get in so they don't try. Null-sec is viewed as unreachable by newbies which is utterly ridiculous as often proven by my own alliance, but we're the exception not the rule. Null-sec inhabitants seem to love harping on about how no one has a place in null-sec until they've suffered in empire for two years first.
All of this is reinforced by the common "****-You-Got-Mine" attitude often seen in null-sec alliances. Other than a small handful of alliances which are held together by factors outside of Eve-Online, most null-sec alliances are just lose groupings of people who are only interested in their own self gain. Look at alliances that have been destroyed by other null-sec powers, nearly all of them fall to pieces from within long before their territory has been conquered. Very few alliances have any sort of social system in place or method or redistributing alliance wealth to their members. There are no systems in place for fostering and mentoring newbies. There's no firm cultural image that makes a person care about their alliance over themselves.
Why the hell would anyone want to go into null-sec knowing that they're just a warm body making some CEO fat tax income stacks. Knowing they will be abandoned the moment any sort of conflict comes to their space. Knowing that the people in their corp and alliance chats have no interest in anyone else's success.
Eve is a sandbox with a loose rule set that leaves all the real content in our hands. Its up to players to make null-sec inviting to other players, not CCP.
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