1) If you were CCP, how would you get more players involved in 0.0 space and low sec - without compromising or getting rid of high sec completely?

Improve the new player experience to include stints in RvB or E-Uni. Maybe a nullsec alliance could open up a training ground for potential newbies as well, and give the new players a choice of where to get their advanced education from.

Nerf income streams in the highest of security space, like, into the ground. .5 to .7 space can have maybe up to L2 mission income. L3 and low L4 level income can be in lowsec, while High l4 and L5 level income is in nullsec. Move a fair majority of production into low and null.

The main reason players are afraid of low and null sec is because they never go and it slowly grows over time to be some monstrous death zone where only the most skilled players could ever go. Players start thinking 'maybe when I finish another 6 months of skills I'll go there' and they never feel comfortable with the idea of going.

Players will get more involved in 0.0 and low sec when they realise it's not an instakill death fortress,

PS: Moving content won't force people to leave because the issue isn't one of risk vs reward at all, it's 'fear of the unknown'. High sec players will just start grinding the less profitable activities instead.

What about a skill training boost bonus for different levels of security - but only if you are part of a corp. Saying moving to 0.0 and joining a corp gives you a skill bonus boost of x3. That would be very good incentive for players to move to 0.0 I would think. Also, what if there were a incentive to corps that operate out of those areas to recruit new players. Corps that recruit new players into their ranks and keeps a new recruit for a certain period of time sees some kind of bonus that would benefit the corp.

Im not an o.o player, Im one of those who CCP Soundwave wishes to push by brute force into o.o space. The way to get me to stay in the game and move to o.o space would be to let me respec all the millions and millions of skillpoints I have in science, industry mining barges and exhumers into gunnery and spaceship skills. Otherwise I am nothing but a red plus or asteroid to be farmed or harvested. I do not wish to be farmed because I invested my training time into noncombat skills.

What about a skill training boost bonus for different levels of security - but only if you are part of a corp. Saying moving to 0.0 and joining a corp gives you a skill bonus boost of x3. That would be very good incentive for players to move to 0.0 I would think. Also, what if there were a incentive to corps that operate out of those areas to recruit new players. Corps that recruit new players into their ranks and keeps a new recruit for a certain period of time sees some kind of bonus that would benefit the corp.

There's no reason why you couldn't be a 0.0 player though. There are minerals and missions and complexes in 0.0 and they are all more profitable than in empire.

The main reason you don't go is that you think that the second you enter you'll be ganked by 50 dudes, when the reality is that miners are more likely to be ganked in highsec these days.

What about CCP just works to get newbies into 0.0 - everyone who is in high sec now is a lost cause, the attitude is set in place and no game play changes will do anything but convince them that their attitude is right.

Get new players out into 0.0 and get them mining, missioning and doing all the same old stuff BEFORE the attitude can set in and they'll stay out there because once you're used to living in 0.0, empire seems very bland.

What about CCP just works to get newbies into 0.0 - everyone who is in high sec now is a lost cause, the attitude is set in place and no game play changes will do anything but convince them that their attitude is right.

Get new players out into 0.0 and get them mining, missioning and doing all the same old stuff BEFORE the attitude can set in and they'll stay out there because once you're used to living in 0.0, empire seems very bland.

I agree with much of what has been said by others in this thread so far. One mentioned even if the incentive for staying in high sec were dropped even further it wouldn't matter - they'd re-adjust and just keep on keeping on. That seems sorta defeatist to me and unwilling to make a change. I think CCP, as you said, needs to do more to get newer players into 0.0 space. We all know that 0.0 is where the real game of EVE is played. Now the question is...how do you promote it and get people involved? As people have said, many players feel low and null sec is instakill space. As I said, maybe CCP should offer incentives to 0.0 corps to recruit new players to their ranks.

I'm getting a bit tired of repeating myself, but the reason hisec people stay in hisec isn't because they fear PvP. They fear gatecamps. They die to impossible odds right at the door to the full PvP areas, without having a chance to even explore them.

If they could get in and out of full PvP areas relatively safely, then only have to worry about someone hunting them while they are there, many, many, more people would be outside of hisec.

Gates need to go, or be changed so they can't be camped. They are the core problem here. I know many people hate the idea of losing their easymode gatecamp PvP, and having to actively search for targets instead of them landing in their lap, but it's really what's best for the game.

I'm getting a bit tired of repeating myself, but the reason hisec people stay in hisec isn't because they fear PvP. They fear gatecamps. They die to impossible odds right at the door to the full PvP areas, without having a chance to even explore them.

If they could get in and out of full PvP areas relatively safely, then only have to worry about someone hunting them while they are there, many, many, more people would be outside of hisec.

Gates need to go, or be changed so they can't be camped. They are the core problem here. I know many people hate the idea of losing their easymode gatecamp PvP, and having to actively search for targets instead of them landing in their lap, but it's really what's best for the game.

This is the funniest thing I've ever read.

That said, why fear a camp when you can just use a scout and the damned map?

You obviously don't read much, but i already suspected that.



Spoken like someone who's always been in 0.0, and can find scouts easily.

The problem with getting into low and nul is getting into low and null. The high -> low gates are frequently camped by instalock battleships which means a scouting alt is pretty much a necessity.

What would I change? I'd make it possible to see what's at the other end of the gate without having to stick your head through and have it blown off. Alternatively I'd make the gate guns not suck.

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3) If you believe that high sec, low sec and 0.0 can co-exist, what is your solution to bringing balanced game play to 0.0, low and high sec space that is amiable to all concerned?

You obviously don't read much, but i already suspected that.



Spoken like someone who's always been in 0.0, and can find scouts easily.

You probably have to keep repeating that argument because it is so blatantly awful.

Again, if you think you're going to go take on lowsec all by yourself in your mission drake, you've already failed the transition. If getting blown up at your first gate doesn't teach you that lesson and instead makes you give up never to try again, then you were doomed anyway.

I do find it absolutely ball-busting hilarious that the people who have stuck themselves in hisec think they are in any way qualified to tell people who have made the transition what needs to change.

I do find it absolutely ball-busting hilarious that the people who have stuck themselves in hisec think they are in any way qualified to tell people who have made the transition what needs to change.

You're wrong - existing players won't go to open PvP areas no matter what aspects of the game are changed.