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DHB WildCat D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.05.14 23:49:00 - [1] Hola peoples.... Iw ant to discuss my specialty for a minute.... Faction Battleships. I want to show what they should be and what they lack mostly. Nightmare - Awesome ship, what a faction battleship should be tbh when properly fit. No complaints for me with this ship. Rattlesnake - TBH should lose the 6th low for a 7th mid. Would make it a superior shield tank for the most part..... however.... that would mean it would lose its ability to passive tank. So again kinda your flavor type deal.... but passive tank = no tackle. Also lets raise the fitting of the a little. I think it should be better than the raven and have 1 more launcher tbh, lose the joke of a hybrid bonus, and add another bonus..... lets say warp scramble range? Or keep the slot layout lose the hybrid damage bonus and add drone bonus? Machariel - lets face it its a TEMPEST! needs more damage or maybe another gun slot. 7 guns is better and would make it a formidable faction ship! As it is right now the dps is a joke. Now we get to the 2 Faction Battleships that need some love!!!!!!! Bhaalgorn - HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TO FIT ONE OF THESE!!!??? awesome idea of a ship, however it has some serious fitting issues. Maybe also give it a web velocity bonus as well? Might be too much, but lets face it this ships entire point is to stop another ship dead in its tracks. Nueted and webbed while others move in for the kill. Give it some love CCP. Also the ashimmu could use the same help. Vindicator - I honestly dont know what to do with it... When a kronos / Hyperion active tanks better with similar dps, or a Navy Mega passive tanks much better with more dps..... Kinda a worthless ship atm. Hopefully CCP will help the other faction ships like they did the Nightmare. WildCat
insidion Caldari Last of the Technocracy	Posted - 2009.05.14 23:59:00 - [2] I agree the new nightmare was a huge impovement. Not only would I love to see a simliar makeover done on the machariel and vindicator so I could dust them off and actually use them, but I would love to see more additions. There are numerous ships that deserve faction equivalents or alternates, and just as many need to be revisited. /signed give faction ships some love CCP!
HellsRazor Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.05.15 00:13:00 - [3] I also think ALL Faction Battleships should have 2x the Sensor Strength they have now against ECM to get more of them out there fighting without sitting there like a sad panda getting popped without a nice showing. Make the more formittable for the high dollar amount it is to use them. On that note. Is it not a clear sign when 1 faction BS is like 2 1/2 times the average price of another Faction BS their might... just maybe alil love that needs to go around to the other Faction BS? Sounds crazy I know.....
abrasive soap Balls Deep Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.15 00:21:00 - [4] give the rattlesnake 5% missile damage per level bonus, 5% missile velocity bonus, and 100% missile damage bonus with 4 missile points and 6 highs, 7 mids, 5 lows machariel has a terrible tank with mediocre dps, give it 7 guns and change the slot layout to 8-4-7 or 8-4-8 OR give it 5-4-7/8 with 4 turret slots and 100% damage bonus to projectiles bhaalgorn is tough because its ewar based vindicator could be 8 guns (pretty sure the mega model has 8 turret points on the model), 4/5 mids, 7/8 lows
Liang Nuren No Salvation Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.05.15 00:32:00 - [5] IMO: - Nightmare, leave as is - Rattlesnake, 5% Hybrid damage -> 10% Drone HP/Damage, Drone Bay -> 175m^3, Bandwidth -> 125m^3 - Bhaalgorn, +Fittings, Web Range -> +Web Strength/Range - Mach, +Agility/speed [not bonus], +2 turrets/fittings - Vindicator, Sorry, pulling a blank for what I'd like on this ship. Fixing blasters would go a long way towards making the ship good again, but it wouldn't address the points you brought up. Maybe MWD bonus -> Web strength or optimal range? I'd also like to point out the Fleet Tempest as being pretty bad and the Navy Mega as being a bit meh (to me). One of the things I'd really appreciate is if they went through and redid all the faction ships, not just the BS's. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.05.15 00:40:00 - [6] wouldn't that be nice. machy is a 900mil tempest/phoon, not quite sure which one is is supposed to be. I figured after the nano nerf they would be around 500mil by now, wtf is making them so expensive (do people really take the passive shield tank and mission run **** seriously? I think that is the only use I have heard for them )
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.15 00:44:00 - [7] I think the Mach is alright as it is. If anything it is too much like what the pest should be. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Warrio GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.15 01:01:00 - [8] Edited by: Warrio on 15/05/2009 01:02:12 Sadly the Macharial had an advantage in the days of nano. Without that it needs a new niche since being 'a bit faster than a nanophoon' is currently about as useful as being 'a bit better at running than Stephen Hawking'. Quote: give the rattlesnake 5% missile damage per level bonus, 5% missile velocity bonus, and 100% missile damage bonus with 4 missile points and 6 highs, 7 mids, 5 lows Also, this. ^^ sXe
Myrkala Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous	Posted - 2009.05.15 01:11:00 - [9] Actually, I see the Machariel as a capless, faster, Megathron with less drones and less sig. Give it more CPU and a 125 m3 drone bay with 125 mb drone bandwith, it needs something more IMO. "Ruppie ain't no puppie."
burek Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2009.05.15 01:30:00 - [10] Originally by: DHB WildCat Bhaalgorn - HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TO FIT ONE OF THESE!!!??? awesome idea of a ship, however it has some serious fitting issues. Maybe also give it a web velocity bonus as well? Might be too much, but lets face it this ships entire point is to stop another ship dead in its tracks. Nueted and webbed while others move in for the kill. Give it some love CCP. Also the ashimmu could use the same help. I've flown it an loved it. Still love the "idea" of it. Now with changed webs, kinda makes me just look at it with fond memories. But fitting it is/was problematic. You pretty much have to go faction just to make stuff fit. From personal point of view, some web strength improvement would make me fly it again. At the moment, I can get the Fleet Tempest to do a similar job (close enough) for less isk and less intimidation factor + extra mid. Or a Dominix even, lol.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.05.15 01:50:00 - [11] I think that all the pirate faction battleships should be re-worked to have bonuses relating to tackling. They are after all PIRATE battleships and should be specialized in tackling and ganking as that is the entire purpose they were developed for. I find it odd that faction ships lately seem to be outright terrible or have the weirdest most useless bonuses ever. I remember when I started Faction stuff seemed epic, but right now a lot of faction ships are as bad as T1.
Kzintee Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.15 02:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Asuka Smith I think that all the pirate faction battleships should be re-worked to have bonuses relating to tackling. They are after all PIRATE battleships and should be specialized in tackling and ganking as that is the entire purpose they were developed for. I find it odd that faction ships lately seem to be outright terrible or have the weirdest most useless bonuses ever. I remember when I started Faction stuff seemed epic, but right now a lot of faction ships are as bad as T1. Plz don't touch my Nightmare. I don't want to tackle, I want to pew pew!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.05.15 02:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Kzintee Originally by: Asuka Smith I think that all the pirate faction battleships should be re-worked to have bonuses relating to tackling. They are after all PIRATE battleships and should be specialized in tackling and ganking as that is the entire purpose they were developed for. I find it odd that faction ships lately seem to be outright terrible or have the weirdest most useless bonuses ever. I remember when I started Faction stuff seemed epic, but right now a lot of faction ships are as bad as T1. Plz don't touch my Nightmare. I don't want to tackle, I want to pew pew! Nightmare and Rattlesnake need to be able to use the heavy interdictor pointy thingy so they can shield tank though
Karl Kahn Browncoat Coalition	Posted - 2009.05.15 06:58:00 - [14] Rattlesnake - Remove the two turret hardpoints, leave the missile hardpoints the way they are. Change the Gallente Bonus to the standard 10% per level drone bonus, give it a 100 m3 drone bay and a 100 m3 bandwidth. You could make the choice for 4 Heavies if you want, or 5 meds, 5 lights, and whatever else. I thought about the full 125m3/mbit p sec but that would make it a little overpowered. But then again, what the hell, why not?
Guer	Posted - 2009.05.15 07:43:00 - [15] Rattlesnake with a drone bonus
Arkady Renko	Posted - 2009.05.15 08:13:00 - [16] so....where's the Amarr - Gallente faction BS?...or have I trained wrong?
Birkinz Caldari Vectra Source Partnership	Posted - 2009.05.15 09:08:00 - [17] Would love to see the drone bonus on the Rattler + bigger bay - sounds awesome and fits the skill reqs.
Jaffnar Borg	Posted - 2009.05.15 09:49:00 - [18] Another idea would be to redesign the Vindicator and change it to a drone ship. Blaster users already have Mega, Navy Mega, Hyperion and Kronos. A drone boat with the Megathron model would be great. Stats could be: 7/5/7 slot layout with 6 Turrets and 1 Launcher CPU: 600 PG: 13500 125 MB/s Drone Bandwith and 425 m¦ Drone Bay Special Ability: 50% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to armor repair amount of armor repair systems per level Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level As an alternative it could also be 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage per level of Gallente Battleship skill or a bonus to Drone optimal range (sentries) or whatever.
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2009.05.15 09:53:00 - [19] CCP are probably pretty much :effort: on this issue since they promised new faction ships two years ago.
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.05.15 09:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Birkinz Would love to see the drone bonus on the Rattler + bigger bay - sounds awesome and fits the skill reqs. stick lazors on your domi =) Put in space whales!
Azeroth Uluntil Caldari Shade. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.05.15 11:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Dibsi Dei CCP are probably pretty much :effort: on this issue since they promised new faction ships two years ago. Aye. Where the heck is my faction dominix, hyperion, armageddon(navy issue, not imperial), abaddon, scorpion(lol?) rokh(even bigger lol), typhoon and maelstrom? Should give the pirate bs's that take two races the same general damage modification that the nightmare gets. 4 guns, 100% damage bonus+whatever else.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.15 11:32:00 - [22] The Machariel is a fine line. Its a Gallente/Minmatar combo, with the only resemblance to anything Gallente being its Tracking bonus (arguable, since minm get these a fair bit too). It has a bog standard battleship drone bay, and everything else it gets from the minm side of the family. Increase the tracking bonus to 10%/level, increase the damage bonus to 7.5%/level. MAYBE add in a bit more drone bay and bandwidth, though this would, debatably, make the ship slightly overpowered. (if thats an applicable term considering the Nightmare's Pwnage and the original cost of the ship) And then we have the Bhaalgorn, unquestionably the most expensive yet least useful Faction Battleship alive. First NOS got nerfed and then Webs got nerfed. Now with the agility nerf, just . I'd say you make the bonuses on the ship passive (Like the machariel). I.e 30% bonus to web range/effectiveness and nuet/nos range/amount. Then give it An armor resist bonus (maybe 7.5% per level of amarr BS) and a 25% damage bonus to projectiles / level of minnie BS?. Cut it down to 4-6 turrets, meaning it has good DPS by itself with the utility highslots. Hey i can dream, right. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 ^Third Times a Charm^
Forge Lag	Posted - 2009.05.15 11:59:00 - [23] Edited by: Forge Lag on 15/05/2009 12:00:38 The faction BSs are expensive as they are, making them more powerfull will only make them even more expensive. People are already willing to pay for the performance they are getting now. Machariel is considerably better Fleet Pest. It has slightly less buffer - as all pirate ships compared to navy ships - but much better bonuses, higher speed and slot layout more akin to original Pest. If any faction BS needs fix at all it is Fleet Pest. Rattlesnake and Vindicator are not really exciting but as said people buy them as they are, which can hardly be said about Fleet Pest. Then again complaining about Pest in any form or shape is a bit old and none in CCP really cares. And then we have the lack of Khanid BS and the lack of faction drone ship (vexor navy is do-or-die blasterboat if anything with the lack of spares and five bonused highs and low amount of mids) while we have two laser platforms and two missile platforms just in BSs. Same old same old.
Nova Satar Annihilate.	Posted - 2009.05.15 12:03:00 - [24] totally agreed, for the 600mil + ones theyd efintiely need to be a bit mroe classy. I LOVE the diea of the Vindi, as it it could be a great "heavy tackler" compared to the navy mega which would be more of a dps paltform, hoever it's a bit meh for the price atm. Also the Mach is flat out crap, it's the same as a tempest, which is also crap. get a phoon tbh lol. Bhaalgorn, good idea, makes a very nice gang ships/addition, however needs MOAR PG
FinalFlash84 Duty.	Posted - 2009.05.15 12:21:00 - [25] /signed Some Faction BS are definitely in need of some love ------------ Final Flash Rokhasm
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.05.15 12:37:00 - [26] I have a Rattler in my hangar, but I'm not even going to bother fitting it until it's more than just a Raven with an extra lowslot and hideous grid/CPU issues. Give it a 175 m3 drone bay, 125 m3 bandwidth and a 4/4 turret/launcher layout and change the bonuses to missile damage/ROF, hybrid ROF/damage and drone damage, then give it fittings to support neutrons, torps and either a shield or armour tank. Comedy gank hyper-Phoon ahoy!
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2009.05.15 13:49:00 - [27] i like faction bses i like the idea of them as well imo the bhaal needs more fitting and turn it in to a missile/nuet boat (min skill to missile rof or something like that) the mach could use a 7th gun more fitting the vindi needs a good looking at maybe change the mwd bonus to a web srt bouns (-60 webs to a -90 at lvl 5) the rattler is nice but id change the slots to 6/6/6 and give it 175 drone bay and a drone dmg bouns (missile and drone ship) nightmare is fine
TuRtLe HeAd KrayZ Inc Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.15 13:53:00 - [28] on the Mach your paying for the Massive difference in Shield And Armour over the Tempest. That said.. it should still be alot cheaper than it is. They used to be 300-500 mill, Becuase the BPC used to drop from 6/10 plexes (Like the Bhaalghorn) Maybe theres just not enough people Getting the BPC's and its just a case of Supply and Demand.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.05.15 14:06:00 - [29] Rattlesnake - Replace hybrid damage bonus with a second missile velocity, or missile flight time bonus. Then can fire torps very far Maybe give another missile slot. Machariel - Needs 125mbit of drones, or an extra turret slot. Bhaalgorn - Nice web and neut bonus, but it means the damage is bad and the fittings are hard. Would be alot more attractive if the fittings on in were increased alot. Vindicator - Needs something special to seperate it. Maybe a web strength bonus instead of MWD bonus. Or a big scram bonus. Scram only, not disruptor. Maybe a MWD capacitor activation usage reduction similar to the t3 ships.
Gunner Cid The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2009.05.15 14:43:00 - [30] Personally I think that the Rattlesnake, Vindicator and Machariel should all get the "Marauder Treatment". 4 Hardpoints - 100% dmg bonus. 5% dmg or rof per one BS lvl, 7.5% tracking or missile velocity per the other BS level. Tweak the grid CPU so they can be fit out. Bhaalgorn could have the -Cap use on Guns bonus changed to a flat 25% dmg bonus or something like -Cap Use on Neuts Would really make the ships more useful.

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