Frigate balancing:
GÇóIncursus
GÇóMerlin
GÇóPunisher
GÇóTormentor

Wait, hold on, am I reading this right? Tormentor gets twice the drones of the Incursus? Sooo, it's official? Amarr are the new drone masters and Gallente are what exactly?

[quote=Jame Jarl Retief]I do hope CCP isn't going to change the Imicus into the new squatting 'pooper' model they showed at fanfest though. The art-devs' crusade against asymmetry is getting ridiculous.

Wait, hold on, am I reading this right? Tormentor gets twice the drones of the Incursus? Sooo, it's official? Amarr are the new drone masters and Gallente are what exactly?

Wait, hold on, am I reading this right? Tormentor gets twice the drones of the Incursus? Sooo, it's official? Amarr are the new drone masters and Gallente are what exactly?

An important point: the current defined role for these ships (merlin is a sniper, incursus is a glass cannon) may not work with the new balance. These ships are meant to be the combat frigate backbone of a fleet.

The Navitas is supposed to become a full drone frigate (guessing a wing of 5 with no guns).

An important point: the current defined role for these ships (merlin is a sniper, incursus is a glass cannon) may not work with the new balance. These ships are meant to be the combat frigate backbone of a fleet.

Rifter

armorHP: 351.0 => 400.0
capacity: 130.0 => 140.0
hp: 336.0 => 350.0
maxVelocity: 353.0 => 355.0
rechargeRate: 187500.0 => 125000.0
shieldCapacity: 391.0 => 450.0

Where did you see this about the Navitas? Its not on Sisi.

1) I can't believe the Rifter got faster and better, already hands down the best T1 frig.
2) I can't believe the incurses got slower despite all the issues with blaster's short range and time to get there.
3) I can't believe that the scan resolution of the Incurses got lowered. I mean, if Gallente are supposed to be the scan resolution race/dampeners then shouldn't they have the highest scan res of any race? Kind of like Caldari seem to have the highest sensor strength? They just made this a much less valuable tackle ship.
4) Why does the Atron even mention mining in the description, always wondered that?
5) Hate the armor repair bonus. I mean really? Isn't it fail enough on the Myrm and Hyperion. Lets see, a close in tackler that must come into neut range to do its job, and lets active rep it. Great. So much for tackling anything other than frigs and maybe some cruisers. Oh i know I'll put a cap booster on it, then I lose web and once I'm scrammed I lose all speed. Lets nerf the speed some more too. Oh and hybrids still need cap to shoot, so now the drones pwn me. Very frustrated with all this. What's the vision here CCP?

Need to do ALL t1 frigates at once else this is going to cause a **** storm once live. Going to have 5mini afs, and then a bunch of **** for the rest with most probably a 6+ month waiting period till another handful of ships are given attention that they have needed for years upon years upon years.

i am dissapoint,i dont have gunnery skills except weapon up.but i do have max missiles skills,and only caldari ship skills.so what ships do i loose instanly because of ccp`s poor decisions,


merlin (wont be able to fitt rocket launchers now)
cormorant (only turret slots :( , i am very dissapoint about that,every other race has bonuses and slots for what they are focused on)
ferox (no bonuses for missiles,altough i can fitt 5 missile launchers )
rokh (do i really need to say??only 4 turret slots,and no bonus damage for them)
raptor,eagle,naga etc.


compared to minmatar : all their ships can use projectiles no matter what,and they have enough turret slots and bonuses to worth flying.

compared to gallente : all gallente ships have turret slots no matter what,except for eris and lachesis,but they also have enough turret slots.

compared to amarr : all t1 amarr ships will have only turret slots.some t2 ships are specialized on missiles like vengeance,malediction,sacrilege,damnation.<<----this doesnt really fair either.

please ccp,restore balance,human kind will be greatefull for your work

After just the listed changes, Rifter would still be king but Amarr would have a secondary combat frig.

What bothers me about this is, how can this be considered "balanced" even by the furthest stretch of the imagination? When one ship is quite obviously better than another, and this is after the supposed rebalance?

Don't get me wrong, I don't want all races to have identical ships. But this is hardly balanced, the way it is now on SiSi. Especially the Gallente active rep bonus, we basically get pigeonholed into a single tank type or we have to sacrifice the bonus. And it's not like this failure is new - Myrmidon and Hyperion had this bonus for a long while now, and neither ship sees much use.

I liked the Tormentor as a ninja cargo ship.

Myrmidon and Hyperion had this bonus for a long while now, and neither ship sees much use.

i am dissapoint,i dont have gunnery skills except weapon up.but i do have max missiles skills,and only caldari ship skills.so what ships do i loose instanly because of ccp`s poor decisions,


merlin (wont be able to fitt rocket launchers now)
cormorant (only turret slots :( , i am very dissapoint about that,every other race has bonuses and slots for what they are focused on)
ferox (no bonuses for missiles,altough i can fitt 5 missile launchers )
rokh (do i really need to say??only 4 turret slots,and no bonus damage for them)
raptor,eagle,naga etc.

i am dissapoint,i dont have gunnery skills except weapon up.but i do have max missiles skills,and only caldari ship skills.so what ships do i loose instanly because of ccp`s poor decisions,

ferox (no bonuses for missiles,altough i can fitt 5 missile launchers )
rokh (do i really need to say??only 4 turret slots,and no bonus damage for them)

1/10 cannot tell if serious