I'm new here, so maybe i'm missing something.

But I keep hearing how the game catered to carebears by making gankers not get insurance for suiciding and overall making it harder to pop noobs and miners in the heart of highsec space.



1) So you want to be able to gank people in high sec because it's "realistic" right? no safe zones right? But you want insurance to give you money back so you can do so without it costing you much...remind me who the carebear whining to CCP is in this scenario again?

2) "Wah we are so sick of carebears being catered to, stop making the game harder" yeah...about that...

i heard a lot of good things about the pvp community in this game, but so far the bulk of the 1337 pirates I see from the forums just want to be able to gank SAFELY in highsec without worrying about anti-pkers or anyone being able to stop them...

Irony...


"OMG These miners just expect to be able to do nothing but mine all day and have no risk. That's such garbage everything in this game should have risk...PS Please stop making me have to lose money to suicide bomb someone in the middle of a space police station"

if it was up to me, it would be 1 char per account, and a much harsher clone system. IE: You may save your clone once a month, any progress made since last save is lost. The insurance not only wouldn't cover your suicide ship, but once you blew up a handful of ships in a short amount of time no insurance would cover you. Think about real world insurance, no one is going to insure your car if you get into an accident every week.

Don't when you can pop on an alt, do your damage, and hide back on your main that has pristine rep because you use alts to do your dirty work, don't cry to me about "carebears" because you're the biggest ones in the group.

Was a great read...












Up till "real World".

I'm new here, so maybe i'm missing something.

Stopped reading around this part...

Don't worry, I'm here to teach you how to play.

OK, alt.. What is it like being a *****?

A group of asterisks? I have no idea.

Don't worry, I'll still teach you how to play.

The hilarious thing about this game is that the level of scamming has made people so paranoid, they are in complete disbelief that someone is a genuine new player. I think I'm going to like this game.

I'm new here, so maybe i'm missing something.

But I keep hearing how the game catered to carebears by making gankers not get insurance for suiciding and overall making it harder to pop noobs and miners in the heart of highsec space.



1) So you want to be able to gank people in high sec because it's "realistic" right? no safe zones right? But you want insurance to give you money back so you can do so without it costing you much...remind me who the carebear whining to CCP is in this scenario again?

2) "Wah we are so sick of carebears being catered to, stop making the game harder" yeah...about that...

i heard a lot of good things about the pvp community in this game, but so far the bulk of the 1337 pirates I see from the forums just want to be able to gank SAFELY in highsec without worrying about anti-pkers or anyone being able to stop them...

Irony...


"OMG These miners just expect to be able to do nothing but mine all day and have no risk. That's such garbage everything in this game should have risk...PS Please stop making me have to lose money to suicide bomb someone in the middle of a space police station"

if it was up to me, it would be 1 char per account, and a much harsher clone system. IE: You may save your clone once a month, any progress made since last save is lost. The insurance not only wouldn't cover your suicide ship, but once you blew up a handful of ships in a short amount of time no insurance would cover you. Think about real world insurance, no one is going to insure your car if you get into an accident every week.

Don't when you can pop on an alt, do your damage, and hide back on your main that has pristine rep because you use alts to do your dirty work, don't cry to me about "carebears" because you're the biggest ones in the group.

i heard a lot of good things about the pvp community in this game, but so far the bulk of the 1337 pirates I see from the forums just want to be able to gank SAFELY in highsec without worrying about anti-pkers or anyone being able to stop them...

The solution is to rise the insurance rates for mining vessles...very obviously miners work in a risky environment, sharp edges of roids, trigger happy belt scum,...every reasonable insurance company would consider to work in a cost effective way and adapt the rates to the risk of the insurent.

But wait! Me not hatez you little carebear!

Same could be done with suicide gankers.
As they obviously have a tremendous amount of "wear and tear" the insurance rates for gankers in high sec could be adapted to their losses to concord or faction police. In the end insurance will at one point be more expensive than what they actually could benefit.
/discuss

how is a gank "safe" if you are guaranteed to lose your ship in it?

if it was up to me, it would be 1 char per account,

no one is going to insure your car if you get into an accident every week.

Don't when you can pop on an alt, do your damage, and hide back on your main that has pristine rep because you use alts to do your dirty work, don't cry to me about "carebears" because you're the biggest ones in the group.

how is a gank "safe" if you are guaranteed to lose your ship in it?

It's not, but that's what the ganker carebears are crying about.

The gambit of excuses for why i'm posting this is hilarious.
I'm not a miner. I've been playing not quite 2 weeks now and all of my skillpoints so far are in basic stuff and combat oriented skills.

There is also the risk of failure. The suicide ganker must decide whether the target's loot and the chance of failure are sufficient to out-weight this risk.

Nooblets have no business making or forming judgments on something they do not understand.

2 weeks for all intents and purposes is 2 hours.

Come back when youve played for 6 months...then let us know if you really think thats the case.

Oh and welcome to EVE Online....noob.

That's right. You've been playing barely 2 weeks and you want to try to start suggesting things in a game that you know little to nothing about. Do what most of us have done; Play for at least 4-6 months, figure out why things are the way they are, and then if you so choose open your mouth and try to give suggestions. Right now, you are like a student in his first week at an automobile mechanics 101 course and trying to give ideas on how to completely redesign the internal combustion engine.

Interesting side note: Suicide gankers and high-sec miners seem to be the two most whiny demographics in EvE.

That's right. You've been playing barely 2 weeks and you want to try to start suggesting things in a game that you know little to nothing about. Do what most of us have done; Play for at least 4-6 months, figure out why things are the way they are, and then if you so choose open your mouth and try to give suggestions. Right now, you are like a student in his first week at an automobile mechanics 101 course and trying to give ideas on how to completely redesign the internal combustion engine.

how is a gank "safe" if you are guaranteed to lose your ship in it?

You're both right - all input from new players cannot possibly have any value. God forbid that someone could *possibly* think outside the box.

Thus, high sec ganking really isn't considered PVP because it lacks ALL of the typical dangers of real pvp

1. I'm new here,
2. if it was up to me,
3. You may save your clone once a month, any progress made since last save is lost.

Some selected stuff from your post.

1. Obviously - or you wouldn't have started another one of these threads.
2. It's not and never will be.
3. Cool - so what you are saying is that 50k SP gankers should always pod the 50mil SP miners so that they lose up to a month of training time + their hulk and implants. I bet all the other miners are glad you're here to come up with these great ideas.

Thank you. I'm glad you agree. Don't forget to like my post!

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The irony is that I keep being told how crazy complex this game is, and it seems to be, but the players that get most elitist about it seem to be the worst at it. As much as it's the best current sandbox game, it's far from the most complex game ever and people with a better resume of gameplay experience find this game easy to pick up and understand. It also helps to not have Downs Syndrome.

What's sad is how much I have to explain to people about this game i've been playing for like 3 weeks now. But no, I'll let you wily veterans get back to complaining about the ui changes that rocked your world, because windows explorer is hard to understand and use.

Obligatory: You're a moron.

Now that's over with. The complaints about the UI aren't that it looks like windows explorer, although larger cargo hold windows can be annoying. The issue is it's windows explorer where every file is named the same and it doesn't remember window positions. So despite your professed mastery over the game you managed to miss a fundamental part of usability. Therefore you have Downs Syndrome.


P.S. Feel free to go kill yourself. Ingame of course.

I'm sorry that you find the game too difficult. You've been playing for how long? I've been playing 3 weeks and understood how to use the UI quickly. I have multiple items with the same name, I'm also not ******** so i don't need them to color code or otherwise note things for me that are painfully obvious.

Again, I guess knowing how to use windows is a challenge for eve's playerbase. I bet WoW players could understand it.

Was it hard for you to get rid of training wheels on your first bike?


To sum up:

me: "People are stupid are complaining this UI is too hard to use"

you: "But this ui is too hard to use!"

me: l2p

I like the bit where you confuse items with PoS modules.

To sum this up correctly:

me: "The UI became less functional with the patch, due to the details outlined previously"

you: "Herpa derp, i've played for 3 weeks and know how to open my cargo hold, yet manage to miss everything else out completely, UI is gr8."

me: /facepalm

This is EVE, people should be able to defend themselves and take matters into their own hands, which is something I wholly advocate and follows the sandbox theme of the game. The issue people have with carebears "whining" is that they don't want to play the same game that the rest of us do and instead of asking CCP for a way to put guns on their sandcastles, they want CCP to draw lines in the sand instead.

I absolutely think there should be risk in the game for all parties, but instead of petitioning CCP to create equal risk for aggressive parties they instead request complete pacification. Finally, if you want to compare EVE to real life, why not just complain the flying around in internet spaceships aspect is unrealistic and should be changed. Troll harder.

Total awesomeness Pinky!

I think you are missing something. May I suggest keeping marbles in a jar?

Professional suicide gankers couldn't give a toss about insurance.

Your assessment of "risk" is inaccurate. A suicide will always lose their ship - risk is 100%. There is also the risk of failure. The suicide ganker must decide whether the target's loot and the chance of failure are sufficient to out-weight this risk.

You'll find that whiners exist across all professions. They are people who find comfort in the ability to blame someone else for their short-comings.

I think you are missing something. May I suggest keeping marbles in a jar?

Professional suicide gankers couldn't give a toss about insurance.

Your assessment of "risk" is inaccurate. A suicide will always lose their ship - risk is 100%. There is also the risk of failure. The suicide ganker must decide whether the target's loot and the chance of failure are sufficient to out-weight this risk.

You'll find that whiners exist across all professions. They are people who find comfort in the ability to blame someone else for their short-comings.

From Wikipedia: Risk is the potential that a chosen action or activity (including the choice of inaction) will lead to a loss (an undesirable outcome). The notion implies that a choice having an influence on the outcome exists (or existed). Potential losses themselves may also be called "risks". Almost any human endeavor carries some risk, but some are much more risky than others.

The loss of the ship for a suicide ganker is not a risk, it is a given. It is part of the equation. There is the risk of failure in that the ganker may not be successful in the destruction of the target or fail to nab the loot, assuming loot is even in the equation.

I suppose having loot in the equation is what separates suicide gankers from griefers.

The ganker's ship is a given sunk cost, the ability to kill the other person before concord shows up is a risk, the loot that will drop to make it worth the investment is a risk.

It seems that these two risks can be calculated and reduced as well. Passive Targeter + Ship Scanner, right? A ganker can get an idea of the target's EHP and potential loot drop and decide if engaging the target is worth the risk.

"It's going to be awesome."

"It's absolutley on the list of things to do."

"We have a spaceships game, but you can't be han solo or boba fett, that's not clever."

OP wants 1 char per account. OP is alt. Irony alert!

I found it intriguing the idea of there actually being no risk when it comes to suicide ganks. I mean, your ship will be popped so you know its going to happen so the loss of the gankers ship is no risk to the ganker.

Thing is, miners can't counter a suicide gank. They may see it coming, but if a miner were to somehow manage to activate some module against the suicide ganker before the gank, the miner would be suiciding the mining ship to concord.

and you're like a sad old man that still thinks his job as elevator operator matters.

You assume too much that i'm as slow at learning as yourself. I don't need 6 months to know that whining from carebear gankers is whining.

Whining isn't unique to eve.

Why are you trying so hard to white knight? Yes, people whine, everyone knows that. Why are you trying so hard to point out the blatantly obvious? You clearly arent old enough to know what you are talking about. Since when have real suicide gankers cried about insurance? Your arugment about how gankers only kill in highsec because 'they arent good enough to get real fights blah blah blah' just makes you sound like Five Thirty. Null sec isnt everyone's cup of tea, and killing in highsec is a legitimate form of PvP. I dont know where you 'found' ganker tears, becase they do not exist. Carebears like to think gankers cry about things like insurance and concord, but they dont. Not real ones anyways, maybe the newbie 2 week old ones