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Colonel Cornbread Minmatar Subnet Syndicate Binary Brotherhood	Posted - 2009.05.18 16:22:00 - [1] Edited by: Colonel Cornbread on 18/05/2009 16:31:55 I'm curious how you got by while fleeting up with people, finding good corps, and the like. Here's what the last FC I was with said two weeks ago. [ 2009.05.09 07:30:00 ] <censored> > if you can't use vent, you can't be effective in our fleets, and when i'm FC'ing, i have easily over a billion isk worth of ships that i'm responsible for. and i don't remember promising you anything. i might have...
Vak'ran	Posted - 2009.05.18 16:31:00 - [2] I really hope you are not blaming the FC for anything. I for one would hate being held responsible for things out of my control. You'll also want to remove the guy's name. Most fleet ops rely on voice communications, for you that is a shame, but there are bound to be groups around that don't. ----- Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums.
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2009.05.18 16:34:00 - [3] vent is still going to be mandatory. People are very distrustful if they don't hear you speak also. You're going to be at a disadvantage unless you can find some speech to text software that works well with vent/ts.
Neamus	Posted - 2009.05.18 16:34:00 - [4] Your last FC is an idiot. Its easily possible to acomodate deaf players using in fleet commands. Warp here, align there, enemy spotted etc etc. Its then just a case of keeping an eye on your screen for the visual indicators. A good FC should be able to handle this without issue. Just delegate out to a couple of fleet members, one handles fleet commands while the another (preferably a touch typist) types anything that is outside of the commands scope. I dont know for sure but usually our fleets make regular use of the fleet commands, so its quite possible that we have deaf people in fleet.
Colonel Cornbread Minmatar Subnet Syndicate Binary Brotherhood	Posted - 2009.05.18 16:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Vak'ran I really hope you are not blaming the FC for anything. I for one would hate being held responsible for things out of my control. You'll also want to remove the guy's name. Most fleet ops rely on voice communications, for you that is a shame, but there are bound to be groups around that don't. The only accommodation that I need is when to warp, and who/where to warp to. Apparently for every fleet I've been in, that is too hard to type out while their ship is aligning or even in warp. I have no problems knowing who is primary as I am not blind and can see where the weapons are firing at.
Serius Malson	Posted - 2009.05.18 16:39:00 - [6] To be honest I try my best to type out all instructions from during fleet actions but if you have a fast moving fleet, typing out every solar system to warp to isn't fast enough. Also if the fleet is already in warp, then it is too late. To be honest if the FC feels that someone who won't/can't use vent isn't wanted in his fleet then ultimately that is the FCes decesion. The merits of vent are completely nesscary for any 0.0 combat, sorry.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.05.18 16:39:00 - [7] Why doesn't your FC have someone as a repeater in fleet? IE, someone who is part of the fleet, and repeats his commands in text form in fleet chat for you so that he doesn't have to type while he's running the gang? I mean, it can't be hard to develop some shorthand that's easy to understand such as : WT : xxxxx ->> warp to xxxxx AT : xxxxx ->> align to xxxxx PT : xxxxx ->> primary target xxxxx ST : xxxxx ->> secondary target xxxxx etc. I mean hell, RR work is already done completely by the interface in most corps using broadcasts... some corporations even do it with target calling. The people you few with are obviously moronic idiots who're just short sighted and too lazy to accommodate you. \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Syekuda Caldari United Resistance	Posted - 2009.05.18 16:42:00 - [8] thats why if you right click on your broadcast channel (the triangle thingy) and your fleet window you will find option neat options to tell your fleet what to do
Jovoich Kleinrock Heavy Industries The Kadeshi	Posted - 2009.05.18 16:42:00 - [9] I know someone who is deaf and plays EVE. He does ok normally even in big fleet fights, that said he does have someone in a private convo relaying orders. I call 'Bull****' CCP. Isn't it great that the alchemy process was introduced & can 'take up the slack?'
Opis	Posted - 2009.05.18 17:00:00 - [10] Would be pretty awesome if you set up a corp for deaf players. Not that they can't be just as effective as anyone else with a good FC and someone relaying orders, but a corp centered around deaf players would help those to get into pvp who may not be as confident as you. Note also I said centered around deaf players, dosen't have to be exclusive. Must be a ton of partial hearing or deaf players in eve that never get to fleet fights cause of bad experience, or just think they won't be accepted. Other than that as a previous poster said, someone in private convo who dosn't mind relaying orders. If you ask in a fleet for such a thing you may be surprised at the number of people willing to do this.
Colonel Cornbread Minmatar Subnet Syndicate Binary Brotherhood	Posted - 2009.05.18 17:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Opis Would be pretty awesome if you set up a corp for deaf players. Not that they can't be just as effective as anyone else with a good FC and someone relaying orders, but a corp centered around deaf players would help those to get into pvp who may not be as confident as you. Note also I said centered around deaf players, dosen't have to be exclusive. Must be a ton of partial hearing or deaf players in eve that never get to fleet fights cause of bad experience, or just think they won't be accepted. I really want to do this. I do plan on doing it if my current corporation doesn't go well with me.
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.05.18 17:10:00 - [12] I have been in fleet op's where the FC was deaf - he was one of the better ones I've been in with... your FC was being an ass - just get in a squad that knows and you'll have no [little] problems... obigitry - eve has sound ? -- RaTTuS @ InEve, Capital Prints for sale
Reckoning 09	Posted - 2009.05.18 17:12:00 - [13] WHAT?
David Caldera Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2009.05.18 17:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Colonel Cornbread Originally by: Opis Would be pretty awesome if you set up a corp for deaf players. Not that they can't be just as effective as anyone else with a good FC and someone relaying orders, but a corp centered around deaf players would help those to get into pvp who may not be as confident as you. Note also I said centered around deaf players, dosen't have to be exclusive. Must be a ton of partial hearing or deaf players in eve that never get to fleet fights cause of bad experience, or just think they won't be accepted. I really want to do this. I do plan on doing it if my current corporation doesn't go well with me. Why not? Make the corporation and advertise it. It's a great idea in my opinion. Whatever you do, I personally wish you the best of luck. =)
Gallente Citizen1166	Posted - 2009.05.18 17:27:00 - [15] I can not believe what I have read here. Your FC is a total douche. Being an FC Myself I can tell you I have poeple in my fleet that do not speak the same language as me all the time. Thus making vent not easy for them as well. When they join fleet they let me know. I do 2 things. 1) I use the broadcast systems for aligning warping and jumping as well as who to target. It takes but a second of my time. 2) I have someone type out my commands in fleet chat to relay as well. I hate to see this but you need to find a new corp/alliance. Or at least a new FC
Damon Blood Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.05.18 17:34:00 - [16] I agree that your FC is a douche. I have flown and FC'd with two deaf members now, and to be honest, they where easier to command than hearning members. Always used fleet commands and repeaters in fleet chat. If the members of fleet chat complained, I had secondary in Convo with the deaf members relaying orders. I mean who needs to hear to hit f1-f8... Carp, forgot to group my guns again.
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2009.05.18 17:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Jovoich have someone in a private convo relaying orders. This is the best option. Expecting an fc to relay orders is crazy talk. Delegating relaying like this to the fleet leadership is probably also appropriate. An fc is going to be distracted 3 ways to sunday without typing out every little thing. Besides, the fc is probably busy with 10x private chat convos between intel, cap channels, hc, and the scoop on what the hostile gang is doing. If you're not in vent/ts you're going to be late warping in and warping out. You'll be more likely to take losses. So don't lay it on the fc when that happens.
Colonel Cornbread Minmatar Subnet Syndicate Binary Brotherhood	Posted - 2009.05.18 17:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Gallente Citizen1166 I hate to see this but you need to find a new corp/alliance. Or at least a new FC I already did. I podded one of them as their punishment before I left and broke all connections to the corp/alliance. The one I'm in is WH-based, and here's a small version of a group chat between two leaders and I: [ 2009.05.10 01:40:22 ] Colonel Cornbread > as long as you guys are comfortable with having a deaf player among the ranks (and fleets) it would be definitely an option [ 2009.05.10 01:40:24 ] 1 > it wont be an issue... [ 2009.05.10 01:40:43 ] 1 > i wouldnt discrim against you cause of that bro [ 2009.05.10 01:41:21 ] Colonel Cornbread > no one does, but some people say they will type out some things that i would.... need to know - they dont. [ 2009.05.10 01:41:28 ] Colonel Cornbread > which is why im ****ed off at my corp and alliance [ 2009.05.10 01:41:39 ] 1 > well i would make sure it gets done [ 2009.05.10 01:41:48 ] 1 > either by my people or i'll do it myself [ 2009.05.10 01:41:52 ] 2 > you let us know what tactical things you need to know and we will make sure it gets done [ 2009.05.10 01:42:10 ] Colonel Cornbread > i like the sound of that [ 2009.05.10 01:42:20 ] Colonel Cornbread > instead of 'i'll try' heh [ 2009.05.10 01:42:32 ] 2 > there is no try only do Right now, they sound promising since all of the other people I've been with have always used the word 'try'... this one uses 'will do'.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.05.18 17:40:00 - [19] Depends. It would be a large liability for the FC to have to use the ingame visual indicators rather than the easy-to-use voice chat. However, I'd imagine it wouldn't be difficult to have some other fleet member relay the FC's orders via typing
WhiteGhostBear Furs of New Eden	Posted - 2009.05.18 17:49:00 - [20] Edited by: WhiteGhostBear on 18/05/2009 17:49:59 Eve has sound? ... Oh, wait. Seriously though - as others have mentioned - the fleet broadcast tools are very effective and, surprisingly, very underused. When I fly with my small gang, those are really all that we use. That, and a basic plan of action before we go in. We rarely fire up any voice comms (when we do, it is Eve Voice, which works great - I'm not sure what the Ventrillo obsession is, but that's for another thread) and even then we're generally just BSing anyways. Voice does have the benefit of being able to communicate more quickly than text, but there are drawbacks too. You can't easily rewind voice communication if you forgot something or didn't get it the first time. Some people have thick accents and I simply cannot understand them. Bad microphones and too high, too low input levels are other issues. When you get into larger gangs, there is always that jerk with the blaring music or a wife screaming about 'that damn space ship game'. I'm probably the odd one that prefers text and fleet commands over voice communication because of those above issues. It just works better for me. I would imagine that, if you found it necessary, you could develop some sort of 'fleet shorthand' for quickly giving commands. The form <name> <action> <target> [<action> <target>] could be used. For example, "Bear Tackle Chribba and Attack His Mining Drones" could be condensed to "bear t chrib a dr". I'm sure you could come up with a better and more refined system over time, but that's a general idea. It would be really cool if CCP would give us macro text with simple text substitution. This could all be done client side, and would facilitate giving more verbose textual commands. Bonus points for an in-game import/export option. More bonus points for tab-completion on the names of pilots in local, plus gates. People might be concerned about spam in the trade hubs. I don't think this would have an effect at all. The spammers are going to spam regardless, macros or not. And since we're on subjects such as this - where's my color blindness option? Edit: Verone beat me to the shorthand commands, I'm typing slowly today.
Snasty Caldari The Hippies House of Mercury	Posted - 2009.05.18 17:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Neamus Your last FC is an idiot. Its easily possible to acomodate deaf players using in fleet commands. Warp here, align there, enemy spotted etc etc. Its then just a case of keeping an eye on your screen for the visual indicators. A good FC should be able to handle this without issue. Just delegate out to a couple of fleet members, one handles fleet commands while the another (preferably a touch typist) types anything that is outside of the commands scope. I dont know for sure but usually our fleets make regular use of the fleet commands, so its quite possible that we have deaf people in fleet. This.... It's really about someone making a small effort. Find a different corp... --------------------------------------- -=Snasty, short for Shagnasty ever since the GM's in SWG made me change it...!=-
Neo Reloaded	Posted - 2009.05.18 18:06:00 - [22] There is a deaf man at work and he sounds funny when he talks!
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.18 18:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Neo Reloaded There is a deaf man at work and he sounds funny when he talks! Theres a troll in my forum and hes not funny when he posts! And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now
Vak'ran	Posted - 2009.05.18 18:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Colonel Cornbread Originally by: Vak'ran I really hope you are not blaming the FC for anything. I for one would hate being held responsible for things out of my control. You'll also want to remove the guy's name. Most fleet ops rely on voice communications, for you that is a shame, but there are bound to be groups around that don't. The only accommodation that I need is when to warp, and who/where to warp to. Apparently for every fleet I've been in, that is too hard to type out while their ship is aligning or even in warp. I have no problems knowing who is primary as I am not blind and can see where the weapons are firing at. As many people mentioned typing it out would be a feasable solution, but only in some places and as long as the FC doesnt have to deal with it - as a previous poster mentioned he's got enough details to manage as it is. In the end the practicality comes down to the area of operation. Relaying commands results in some lag and lost information. If OPs are straightforward and relatively simple, there shouldnt be a problem. If OPs usually are a mess in areas where a lot of things are going on, the situation changes so often that things can go south very quickly when there is too much potential for distortion on communications. For instance, in NPC 0.0 you see a lot of complex standing issues, and fleet chat quickly gets an intel function, rather than a command function. Combine that with 3-way fights and quickly changing situations, and the OP will start to rely on voicecomms very heavily. I'd find a corp where you wouldnt find yourself in such situations, and things will be fine. I still think shaming the FC by name and pretty much calling him an ******** for not being able to accomodate you is uncalled for. ----- Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2009.05.18 18:26:00 - [25] When I'm in a fleet being FC'd by my corpmate Elijah Ghost, I tend to play the role of chat relay. I have a fast typing speed and relay all voice commands into fleet chat in capital letters. We also use broadcasts. Really, there's no excuse for an FC not being able to accomodate a deaf player to some extent. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.18 18:26:00 - [26] Compassion is not something you will find among the EVE player base. Seems that by the very nature of the game, it attracts the "survival of the fittest" crowd. I'm not deaf, but I play EVE without sound. Why? because I choose to. I have many things to listen for while I play, and I don't care for the constant sound effects or ambient music. Often times I'm listening to something else while I'm mining or mission running. Having said that, I recommend starting a corp yourself that doesn't rely on audio. I tried vent once and hated it. Numerous people shouting out commands became very confusing. So i am a non-vent/audio player. I may as well be a deaf. What I'm saying is that there is place for you in EVE regardless of what others may say. And if you dont find a place...create one. Others will follow. I swear I saw a gay corp once. What bearing sexual orientation has when playing EVE, I don't know. But if it can be done for lifestyle people....why not those with physical limitations as well.
Karab Gerlinger Rim Collection RC Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2009.05.18 23:51:00 - [27] Interesting thread... Well there is some truth to your FC's comments regarding voice comms, but he is obviously ignorant and not trying harder to accomodate your limitations. I have been playing EVE since beta days and I happen to be deaf, I also have one other deaf pilot in my corp; so your situation is understandable. Being a long-time pvper I must say voice comms is pretty much required for effective fleet ops, but that does not stop a hearing impaired pvper from joining a fleet. I have gotten along well with others most of the time in pvp fleet ops. There have been some moments that I have been completely in the dark when our FC and/or text comm relayers are too busy in battle to type specific commands on demand, however thats when my personal pvp experince and understanding of fleet objectives kicks in. I hope you can find a good corp that you can have fun with, otherwise feel free to convo me ingame.
Karab Gerlinger Rim Collection RC Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2009.05.18 23:58:00 - [28] Originally by: Colonel Cornbread Originally by: Vak'ran I really hope you are not blaming the FC for anything. I for one would hate being held responsible for things out of my control. You'll also want to remove the guy's name. Most fleet ops rely on voice communications, for you that is a shame, but there are bound to be groups around that don't. The only accommodation that I need is when to warp, and who/where to warp to. Apparently for every fleet I've been in, that is too hard to type out while their ship is aligning or even in warp. I have no problems knowing who is primary as I am not blind and can see where the weapons are firing at. This is easily done, there is no excuse not to broadcast those commands.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.19 00:07:00 - [29] This comes up from time to time; I'd say between broadcasts and someone designated to pass off the important orders in fleetchat, you should be fine. That said, you'd probably need to work with a more mature corp than many in EVE tend to be. I work with a deaf guy, shared an office for a while, learned ASL so I could talk to him and we became great friends- I'm still the only one on our team who can carry on a conversation with him minus an interpreter, which I don't understand. It really isn't that difficult to accomodate someone who is deaf/HoH. At some point I want to try and get my bud into EVE, but I'm not sure if it's his kind of game. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.05.19 00:11:00 - [30] EVE is a great game for deaf people since it does not have sound huh.

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