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Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.19 17:30:00 - [1] ... what would EVE online look like? I suspect that all the newer players would immediatly join EVE Uni, or a similar organisation. The mission runners & industrialists would be forced to form corps and arrange security patrols. So far so good. However, alliances might begin claiming low/high sec in the same way as they informally claim certain NPC 0.0 systems, something which could cause problems for newer players trying to get into the game. *Let My People Go*
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.05.19 17:35:00 - [2] Edited by: De''Veldrin on 19/05/2009 17:39:41 Edited by: De''Veldrin on 19/05/2009 17:35:27 The Macroers would quit, because they would cease to make any money. Aside from that high note, the rest of the symphony would be a cacophony of catastrophe and woe. Oh, it would be fun for the hard core PvP'ers for a while. Until they had to start mining their own minerals so they can manufacture their own ammunition, because no one else will do it, or if they will, the prices are so high no one will pay them. My guess would be that within 6 - 9 months enough people will have quit the game that CCP would have to shut it down. But people call me a pessimist and a cynic. To the OP: Quote: I suspect that all the newer players would immediatly join EVE Uni, or a similar organisation. The mission runners & industrialists would be forced to form corps and arrange security patrols. You're operating under the assumption that the reason they haven't done this already is because they aren't forced to. Did it ever occur to you that maybe they reason they haven't done this is because they don't want to? As for the new players joining EVE-UNI, that's great. Assuming they don't quit within two hours because they can't even undock to complete the tutorials. --Vel Experience is what you get right after you need it.
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.05.19 17:36:00 - [3] Originally by: Poreuomai ... what would EVE online look like? Imagine if you will the quiet regions of lowsec, where little Timmy sits at his gate for 8 hours each day while he catches up on the lost episodes of Gilligans island, occasionally seeing a shuttle scout pass through. You have just entered...The dead zone.
Cyrdax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.19 17:36:00 - [4] if concord weren't there to protect the lowest common denominator, the stronger players would enforce natural selection that's the way it works --- tv where the horn go, boy can you top that?
Kiva Aharan	Posted - 2009.05.19 17:42:00 - [5] CCP would go out of business. There are far more carebears than anyone else in the game as best I've been able to tell.
Fulmen Failed Diplomacy Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.05.19 18:14:00 - [6] You would see game crippling inflation. tl;dr You would see game crippling inflation.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.19 18:16:00 - [7] Edited by: Poreuomai on 19/05/2009 18:22:07 Originally by: De'Veldrin Edited by: De''Veldrin on 19/05/2009 17:39:41 Edited by: De''Veldrin on 19/05/2009 17:35:27 The Macroers would quit, because they would cease to make any money. Aside from that high note, the rest of the symphony would be a cacophony of catastrophe and woe. Oh, it would be fun for the hard core PvP'ers for a while. Until they had to start mining their own minerals so they can manufacture their own ammunition, because no one else will do it, or if they will, the prices are so high no one will pay them. My guess would be that within 6 - 9 months enough people will have quit the game that CCP would have to shut it down. But people call me a pessimist and a cynic. Ha ha, you might well be right. Originally by: De'Veldrin You're operating under the assumption that the reason they haven't done this already is because they aren't forced to. Did it ever occur to you that maybe they reason they haven't done this is because they don't want to? If they don't because they are not forced to, that does mean that they do not want to. Originally by: De'Veldrin As for the new players joining EVE-UNI, that's great. Assuming they don't quit within two hours because they can't even undock to complete the tutorials. I suppose the fact that people can leave EVE before they become addicted is a problem. Maybe give them 3 month's immunity to get them hooked? Originally by: Kiva Aharan CCP would go out of business. There are far more carebears than anyone else in the game as best I've been able to tell. So, erm, lets imagine that for some reason people don't quit, and CCP survive financially. Originally by: Fulmen You would see game crippling inflation. Because ...? *Let My People Go*
lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.05.19 18:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Cyrdax if concord weren't there to protect the lowest common denominator, the stronger players would enforce natural selection that's the way it works I like this reply
Le Sabre Gallente The Dead Canary Mining Corporation Legion of Honor	Posted - 2009.05.19 18:44:00 - [9] Originally by: lollerwaffle Originally by: Cyrdax if concord weren't there to protect the lowest common denominator, the stronger players would enforce natural selection that's the way it works I like this reply The massive tide of low skilled/young char's who suddenly try to pvp will kill most of empire long before anyone in it notices the 'stronger players'. Just my opinion though.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Enterprises	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:26:00 - [10] The game would be much more likely to survive if every system was like high sec, rather than if every system was like null sec. Click for gallery!

Ta'jek Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.19 20:06:00 - [11] there'd be even more threads about how they can't find any targets?
Eylike Anel	Posted - 2009.05.19 20:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Kiva Aharan CCP would go out of business. There are far more macroers than anyone else in the game as best I've been able to tell. Fixed it for you
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.19 20:33:00 - [13] No more NPC corp Less revenue to Macros More isk buying Jita Being Hell Awesomeness all around for the first day ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.19 20:38:00 - [14] Edited by: RedSplat on 19/05/2009 20:39:01 Security status in Highsec systems shouldn't be static. Faction Pirate NPC's abide in Highsec- why doesn't CONCORD kill them when they agress a player? Why don't Pirate rats spawn Naval rats and duke it out? Why don't Highsec systems change security based on the number of Concord infractions that occur or player killings? Carebears Derive from that what would happen if CONCORD ceased to exist. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.05.19 21:42:00 - [15] Hasn't concord been known to take a day off once in a while?
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.05.19 22:17:00 - [16] Originally by: g0ggalor Hasn't concord been known to take a day off once in a while? Only on SiSi. I think they did a free for all a year (maybe two? It wasd before my time, but I have heard the stories) ago. They locked up Concord, seeded all the markets, and set all the systems to 0.0 I imagine the ensuing carnage was quite spectacular. --Vel Experience is what you get right after you need it.
Diziet EmblassSma Caldari Caldari Freelancers Association	Posted - 2009.05.20 02:22:00 - [17] Edited by: Diziet EmblassSma on 20/05/2009 02:24:33 Would be nice for CONCORD to take industrial action. Could loot Jita...tear it down, and pod everyone there.
Eustise Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.20 02:47:00 - [18] For a game like Eve online which is governed by string, arbitrarily imposed rules.. the game whould crumble with the consequences labeled above. If Eve started without the concept of highsec, it whould still be going strong, just in a way that current Eve players cannot envision playing. I believe that a system in which players enforce their own rules or has the possibility to bend rules at their peril is a better way to deal with protection then anything else.
Future Mutant	Posted - 2009.05.20 02:58:00 - [19] WTF- another nerf hi sec whine? At least this one is half disguised. Let me make this abundantly clear. Where do you think the majority of isk is made? Where do you think the majority of minerals for making your shiny toys come from? Where do you think isk and the minerals for making your shiny toys will come from if concord was eliminated? Not to mention that a lot of ppl dont want to play your lowsec lets bang our ships together griefing game. Deal with that fact. STOP WHINING AND DEAL WITH IT
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.05.20 02:59:00 - [20] Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: g0ggalor Hasn't concord been known to take a day off once in a while? Only on SiSi. I think they did a free for all a year (maybe two? It wasd before my time, but I have heard the stories) ago. They locked up Concord, seeded all the markets, and set all the systems to 0.0 I imagine the ensuing carnage was quite spectacular. You're right. They not only took the day off, but every char had maxed skills and the markets were superseeded with ships and mods. Man I would love to see one of those again.

Lana Hellfury Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.05.20 03:41:00 - [21] If concord packed their bags and ceased operating ... ... bie bie eve.
Agent Known Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.05.20 04:41:00 - [22] Originally by: g0ggalor Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: g0ggalor Hasn't concord been known to take a day off once in a while? Only on SiSi. I think they did a free for all a year (maybe two? It wasd before my time, but I have heard the stories) ago. They locked up Concord, seeded all the markets, and set all the systems to 0.0 I imagine the ensuing carnage was quite spectacular. You're right. They not only took the day off, but every char had maxed skills and the markets were superseeded with ships and mods. Man I would love to see one of those again. I would <3 CCP if they did something like this again.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.20 06:47:00 - [23] Edited by: Poreuomai on 20/05/2009 06:58:04 Originally by: Future Mutant WTF- another nerf hi sec whine? At least this one is half disguised. This is posted this in C&P. Not in the Game Dev Forum, not in the Ideas & Suggestions Forum, and certainly not in the CSM Forum. So please do not accuse me of such rubbish - I'm not asking anyone to "nerf hisec". I was discussing the nature of piracy on another thread and said something about concord's laws not defining the meaning of piracy. That got me thinking about what a GAME like EVE would look like if there were no Concord, if everywhere were effectively 0.0 space. Anyway ... A lot of people who live in low sec and null sec do travel to hi sec for buying ships and equipment. One consequence of such a no-security world could be that we would be forced to have more local markets because long distance travel would be far more dangerous for everyone. *Let My People Go*
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.05.20 08:10:00 - [24] Some alliance(s) would take over specific mission hubs and blob all neutrals coming into it 15 to 1. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Lana Hellfury Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.05.20 08:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Artemis Rose Some alliance(s) would take over specific mission hubs and blob all neutrals coming into it 15 to 1. I know that's what I would be trying to do.. And the noob systems.. Charge people to use the gates.
Future Mutant	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:53:00 - [26] Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 20/05/2009 06:58:04 Originally by: Future Mutant WTF- another nerf hi sec whine? At least this one is half disguised. So please do not accuse me of such rubbish - I'm not asking anyone to "nerf hisec". Your original post clearly stated-The mission runners & industrialists would be forced and the "force" that would require them to change their ways is also clearly stated- if everywhere were effectively 0.0 space The only part your nitpicking about is if this "discussion" was a "suggestion" that you would like to be implemented.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:01:00 - [27] Originally by: Poreuomai ... what would EVE online look like? There would be a mass exodus and all that would be left are the guys who were banned from other MMOs for griefing.
Rashattazbastaz	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Future Mutant Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 20/05/2009 06:58:04 Originally by: Future Mutant WTF- another nerf hi sec whine? At least this one is half disguised. So please do not accuse me of such rubbish - I'm not asking anyone to "nerf hisec". Pointless aggro nonsense
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:29:00 - [29] Edited by: Poreuomai on 20/05/2009 11:31:43 Originally by: Future Mutant Your original post clearly stated-The mission runners & industrialists would be forced and the "force" that would require them to change their ways is also clearly stated- if everywhere were effectively 0.0 space Yes, that is what I think would happen IF everywhere were effectively 0.0 space. Don't you agree? What's your point? Originally by: Future Mutant The only part your nitpicking about is if this "discussion" was a "suggestion" that you would like to be implemented. You claimed that I was whine hi-sec SHOULD be nerfed, I made it clear that I am suggesting no such thing. Are you trolling? *Let My People Go*
Miss Tittsie	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:41:00 - [30] It alredy hapened CONCORD got busy for a short time and hell brake loose. Minmatar invaded Amarr space and Caldari invaded Gallente space. I can't imagine what would hapen if they got busy for a long time

Misanth The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:29:00 - [31] Blobs. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Tuberider Caldari Pothouse Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:36:00 - [32] we request more armageddon days only this time on the main server CAMPING A WORMHOLE NEAR YOU
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies	Posted - 2009.05.20 13:02:00 - [33] I think it'd be much more fun to see what happened if all of eve became high-sec for a day instead of 0.0. Basically all the naptrains in 0.0 would seize (as they're no longer needed). Goons and NC would stop chestbashing in CAOD. In fact CAOD would seize to have purpose. No more stupid POS bashing (I don't care what anyone says, it's useless pointless and a stupid system) wardecs would roam new eden concord would get filthy rich from said wardecs OMG the more I think up the more I start liking this idea __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.20 13:06:00 - [34] Originally by: SFX Bladerunner I think it'd be much more fun to see what happened if all of eve became high-sec for a day instead of 0.0. Basically all the naptrains in 0.0 would seize (as they're no longer needed). Goons and NC would stop chestbashing in CAOD. In fact CAOD would seize to have purpose. No more stupid POS bashing (I don't care what anyone says, it's useless pointless and a stupid system) wardecs would roam new eden concord would get filthy rich from said wardecs OMG the more I think up the more I start liking this idea then every PVP centered player leaves EVE Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies	Posted - 2009.05.20 13:22:00 - [35] Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 20/05/2009 13:22:34 Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: SFX Bladerunner I think it'd be much more fun to see what happened if all of eve became high-sec for a day instead of 0.0. Basically all the naptrains in 0.0 would seize (as they're no longer needed). Goons and NC would stop chestbashing in CAOD. In fact CAOD would seize to have purpose. No more stupid POS bashing (I don't care what anyone says, it's useless pointless and a stupid system) wardecs would roam new eden concord would get filthy rich from said wardecs OMG the more I think up the more I start liking this idea then every PVP centered player leaves EVE Not necessarily. You can still get your pewpew by wardeccing people. Concidering other MMO's this system would probably be more in-line with other major mmo's than eve's current system. Also, TBH, I know a few bad-ass pvpers and they ONLY do empire wardecs because they HATE the whole POS/sov blobbing thing. Think about it. Empire wardecs means: roaming gangs, nice targets, no more systemlagblobs where EVERYONE dies without even being able to SEE when they die due to HORRIBLE lag etc etc. If those few people that only live for blob pos capital warfare can't adapt to a more lag-free, fun and smaller pewpew evironment were to quit eve cuz of such a change, screw them. __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Orar Ironfist The Scope	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:17:00 - [36] Originally by: SFX Bladerunner Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 20/05/2009 13:22:34 Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: SFX Bladerunner I think it'd be much more fun to see what happened if all of eve became high-sec for a day instead of 0.0. Basically all the naptrains in 0.0 would seize (as they're no longer needed). Goons and NC would stop chestbashing in CAOD. In fact CAOD would seize to have purpose. No more stupid POS bashing (I don't care what anyone says, it's useless pointless and a stupid system) wardecs would roam new eden concord would get filthy rich from said wardecs OMG the more I think up the more I start liking this idea then every PVP centered player leaves EVE Not necessarily. You can still get your pewpew by wardeccing people. Concidering other MMO's this system would probably be more in-line with other major mmo's than eve's current system. Also, TBH, I know a few bad-ass pvpers and they ONLY do empire wardecs because they HATE the whole POS/sov blobbing thing. Think about it. Empire wardecs means: roaming gangs, nice targets, no more systemlagblobs where EVERYONE dies without even being able to SEE when they die due to HORRIBLE lag etc etc. If those few people that only live for blob pos capital warfare can't adapt to a more lag-free, fun and smaller pewpew evironment were to quit eve cuz of such a change, screw them. Yea but you couldnt be blinky I like being a christmas themed angry dominix
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:07:00 - [37] Originally by: SFX Bladerunner Think about it. Empire wardecs means: roaming gangs, nice targets, no more systemlagblobs where EVERYONE dies without even being able to SEE when they die due to HORRIBLE lag etc etc. If those few people that only live for blob pos capital warfare can't adapt to a more lag-free, fun and smaller pewpew evironment were to quit eve cuz of such a change, screw them. I have been thinking about it Empire Wardecs: Monumentally **ed in the ass, exploitable and the victim can corp hop or avoid ALL PvP by simply joining a NPC corp. Add in docking games, CONCORD making non-consensual PvP an activity undertaken by suicide gank only and giving those without negative Sec. status the keys to the castle (think about how aggression mechanics would work for christs sake, non-blinkies would always have the advantage of picking fights and numerical advantages) I think i would rather abolish Highsec as it is, have all highsec be Lowsec; but Lowsec with seriously buffed Sentry guns and a faction navy. Originally by:** CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:08:00 - [38] Edited by: Poreuomai on 20/05/2009 23:08:14 Originally by: Orar Ironfist Yea but you couldnt be blinky I like being a christmas themed angry dominix Actually, since the latest patch, aren't war targets blinky and -10s non-blinky now? *Let My People Go*
Neacail	Posted - 2009.05.21 01:42:00 - [39] Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 20/05/2009 23:08:14 Originally by: Orar Ironfist Yea but you couldnt be blinky I like being a christmas themed angry dominix Actually, since the latest patch, aren't war targets blinky and -10s non-blinky now? By default, yes. You still have a red background, and the instant I logged in after the patch, I changed it to the way it was before.
Lana Hellfury Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.05.21 02:12:00 - [40] Originally by: Neacail Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 20/05/2009 23:08:14 Originally by: Orar Ironfist Yea but you couldnt be blinky I like being a christmas themed angry dominix Actually, since the latest patch, aren't war targets blinky and -10s non-blinky now? By default, yes. You still have a red background, and the instant I logged in after the patch, I changed it to the way it was before. Funny.. The instant I logged in I shot at a 'former blinky' corp mate because he was red and not blinky red and had a red skull and not a green star for the icon.. Shortly after getting yelled at I changed the overview settings.

Jack Coutu Gallente Duty.	Posted - 2009.05.21 07:03:00 - [41] So basically, you are saying "IMAGINE WHAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN UNLESS EVERYONE GETS DRUNK AT CCP LOL HEHEHEHEHEHHE" Just stop. Imagine more reasonable things to ask about, like what if CCP revised suicide ganking to make it easier but revoked insurance money? What if CCP stopped mass producing bugged patches? What if CCP made low sec worth it for anyone that wasn't a pirate?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.21 08:33:00 - [42] Originally by: De'Veldrin Edited by: De''Veldrin on 19/05/2009 17:39:41 Edited by: De''Veldrin on 19/05/2009 17:35:27 The Macroers would quit, because they would cease to make any money. Aside from that high note, the rest of the symphony would be a cacophony of catastrophe and woe. Oh, it would be fun for the hard core PvP'ers for a while. Until they had to start mining their own minerals so they can manufacture their own ammunition, because no one else will do it, or if they will, the prices are so high no one will pay them. . You speak as if "hard core PvPers" (meaning those willing to live oustide of CONCORD protection ) don't do this already. Take a look around 0.0 - there is a LOT of mining done there already.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.21 08:42:00 - [43] Originally by: Jack Coutu So basically, you are saying "IMAGINE WHAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN UNLESS EVERYONE GETS DRUNK AT CCP LOL HEHEHEHEHEHHE" Not quite, no. I doubt even a very drunken party would lead to such a change. At least I hope not. Originally by: Jack Coutu Just stop. Imagine more reasonable things to ask about, like what if CCP revised suicide ganking to make it easier but revoked insurance money? What if CCP stopped mass producing bugged patches? What if CCP made low sec worth it for anyone that wasn't a pirate? Those have been asked again and again. It gets boring. *Let My People Go*
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.05.21 14:28:00 - [44] Originally by: Poreuomai ... what would EVE online look like? Slaughter in Hi Sec. Followed by mass subscription cancellations. The new m0o would show up and lock down Jita. Cats and Dogs living together in Sin. It will be the end of Civilization has we know it. It will be Eve Online 2003. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Ignition SemperFi The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.05.21 15:01:00 - [45] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Originally by: Poreuomai ... what would EVE online look like? Slaughter in Hi Sec. Followed by mass subscription cancellations. The new m0o would show up and lock down Jita. Cats and Dogs living together in Sin. It will be the end of Civilization has we know it. It will be Eve Online 2003. we would also rejoice ;-p ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Space Vikings


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