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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.19 17:30:00 -
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... what would EVE online look like?
I suspect that all the newer players would immediatly join EVE Uni, or a similar organisation.
The mission runners & industrialists would be forced to form corps and arrange security patrols.
So far so good.
However, alliances might begin claiming low/high sec in the same way as they informally claim certain NPC 0.0 systems, something which could cause problems for newer players trying to get into the game.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.05.19 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: De''Veldrin on 19/05/2009 17:39:41
Edited by: De''Veldrin on 19/05/2009 17:35:27
The Macroers would quit, because they would cease to make any money.
Aside from that high note, the rest of the symphony would be a cacophony of catastrophe and woe.
Oh, it would be fun for the hard core PvP'ers for a while.
Until they had to start mining their own minerals so they can manufacture their own ammunition, because no one else will do it, or if they will, the prices are so high no one will pay them.
My guess would be that within 6 - 9 months enough people will have quit the game that CCP would have to shut it down.
But people call me a pessimist and a cynic.
To the OP:
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I suspect that all the newer players would immediatly join EVE Uni, or a similar organisation.
The mission runners & industrialists would be forced to form corps and arrange security patrols.
You're operating under the assumption that the reason they haven't done this already is because they aren't forced to. Did it ever occur to you that maybe they reason they haven't done this is because they don't want to?
As for the new players joining EVE-UNI, that's great. Assuming they don't quit within two hours because they can't even undock to complete the tutorials.
--Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.05.19 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
... what would EVE online look like?
Imagine if you will the quiet regions of lowsec, where little Timmy sits at his gate for 8 hours each day while he catches up on the lost episodes of Gilligans island, occasionally seeing a shuttle scout pass through. You have just entered...The dead zone.
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Cyrdax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 17:36:00 -
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if concord weren't there to protect the lowest common denominator, the stronger players would enforce natural selection
that's the way it works
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Kiva Aharan
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Posted - 2009.05.19 17:42:00 -
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CCP would go out of business. There are far more carebears than anyone else in the game as best I've been able to tell.
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Fulmen
Failed Diplomacy
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.05.19 18:14:00 -
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You would see game crippling inflation.
tl;dr You would see game crippling inflation.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.19 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 19/05/2009 18:22:07
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Edited by: De''Veldrin on 19/05/2009 17:39:41
Edited by: De''Veldrin on 19/05/2009 17:35:27
The Macroers would quit, because they would cease to make any money.
Aside from that high note, the rest of the symphony would be a cacophony of catastrophe and woe.
Oh, it would be fun for the hard core PvP'ers for a while.
Until they had to start mining their own minerals so they can manufacture their own ammunition, because no one else will do it, or if they will, the prices are so high no one will pay them.
My guess would be that within 6 - 9 months enough people will have quit the game that CCP would have to shut it down.
But people call me a pessimist and a cynic.
Ha ha, you might well be right. 
Originally by: De'Veldrin
You're operating under the assumption that the reason they haven't done this already is because they aren't forced to. Did it ever occur to you that maybe they reason they haven't done this is because they don't want to?
If they don't because they are not forced to, that does mean that they do not want to. 
Originally by: De'Veldrin
As for the new players joining EVE-UNI, that's great. Assuming they don't quit within two hours because they can't even undock to complete the tutorials.
I suppose the fact that people can leave EVE before they become addicted is a problem. Maybe give them 3 month's immunity to get them hooked? 
Originally by: Kiva Aharan
CCP would go out of business. There are far more carebears than anyone else in the game as best I've been able to tell.
So, erm, lets imagine that for some reason people don't quit, and CCP survive financially. 
Originally by: Fulmen
You would see game crippling inflation.
Because ...?
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.05.19 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cyrdax
if concord weren't there to protect the lowest common denominator, the stronger players would enforce natural selection
that's the way it works
I like this reply
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Le Sabre
Gallente
The Dead Canary Mining Corporation
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2009.05.19 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: lollerwaffle
Originally by: Cyrdax
if concord weren't there to protect the lowest common denominator, the stronger players would enforce natural selection
that's the way it works
I like this reply
The massive tide of low skilled/young char's who suddenly try to pvp will kill most of empire long before anyone in it notices the 'stronger players'. Just my opinion though.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.19 19:26:00 -
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The game would be much more likely to survive if every system was like high sec, rather than if every system was like null sec.
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Ta'jek
Angels Of Death EVE
Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.19 20:06:00 -
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there'd be even more threads about how they can't find any targets?
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Eylike Anel
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Posted - 2009.05.19 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kiva Aharan
CCP would go out of business. There are far more macroers than anyone else in the game as best I've been able to tell.
Fixed it for you
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.19 20:33:00 -
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No more NPC corp
Less revenue to Macros
More isk buying
Jita Being Hell
Awesomeness all around for the first day
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.19 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 19/05/2009 20:39:01
Security status in Highsec systems shouldn't be static.
Faction Pirate NPC's abide in Highsec- why doesn't CONCORD kill them when they agress a player?
Why don't Pirate rats spawn Naval rats and duke it out?
Why don't Highsec systems change security based on the number of Concord infractions that occur or player killings?
Carebears
Derive from that what would happen if CONCORD ceased to exist.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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g0ggalor
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Posted - 2009.05.19 21:42:00 -
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Hasn't concord been known to take a day off once in a while?
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.05.19 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: g0ggalor
Hasn't concord been known to take a day off once in a while?
Only on SiSi. I think they did a free for all a year (maybe two? It wasd before my time, but I have heard the stories) ago. They locked up Concord, seeded all the markets, and set all the systems to 0.0
I imagine the ensuing carnage was quite spectacular.
--Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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Diziet EmblassSma
Caldari
Caldari Freelancers Association
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Posted - 2009.05.20 02:22:00 -
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Edited by: Diziet EmblassSma on 20/05/2009 02:24:33
Would be nice for CONCORD to take industrial action. Could loot Jita...tear it down, and pod everyone there. 
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Eustise
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.20 02:47:00 -
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For a game like Eve online which is governed by string, arbitrarily imposed rules.. the game whould crumble with the consequences labeled above. If Eve started without the concept of highsec, it whould still be going strong, just in a way that current Eve players cannot envision playing. I believe that a system in which players enforce their own rules or has the possibility to bend rules at their peril is a better way to deal with protection then anything else.
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Future Mutant
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Posted - 2009.05.20 02:58:00 -
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WTF- another nerf hi sec whine? At least this one is half disguised. Let me make this abundantly clear.
Where do you think the majority of isk is made?
Where do you think the majority of minerals for making your shiny toys come from?
Where do you think isk and the minerals for making your shiny toys will come from if concord was eliminated?
Not to mention that a lot of ppl dont want to play your lowsec lets bang our ships together griefing game.
Deal with that fact. STOP WHINING AND DEAL WITH IT
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g0ggalor
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Posted - 2009.05.20 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: g0ggalor
Hasn't concord been known to take a day off once in a while?
Only on SiSi. I think they did a free for all a year (maybe two? It wasd before my time, but I have heard the stories) ago. They locked up Concord, seeded all the markets, and set all the systems to 0.0
I imagine the ensuing carnage was quite spectacular.
You're right.
They not only took the day off, but every char had maxed skills and the markets were superseeded with ships and mods.
Man I would love to see one of those again.
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Lana Hellfury
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.05.20 03:41:00 -
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If concord packed their bags and ceased operating ...
... bie bie eve.
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.05.20 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: g0ggalor
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: g0ggalor
Hasn't concord been known to take a day off once in a while?
Only on SiSi. I think they did a free for all a year (maybe two? It wasd before my time, but I have heard the stories) ago. They locked up Concord, seeded all the markets, and set all the systems to 0.0
I imagine the ensuing carnage was quite spectacular.
You're right.
They not only took the day off, but every char had maxed skills and the markets were superseeded with ships and mods.
Man I would love to see one of those again.
I would <3 CCP if they did something like this again. 
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.20 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 20/05/2009 06:58:04
Originally by: Future Mutant
WTF- another nerf hi sec whine? At least this one is half disguised.
This is posted this in C&P. Not in the Game Dev Forum, not in the Ideas & Suggestions Forum, and certainly not in the CSM Forum. So please do not accuse me of such rubbish - I'm not asking anyone to "nerf hisec".
I was discussing the nature of piracy on another thread and said something about concord's laws not defining the meaning of piracy. That got me thinking about what a GAME like EVE would look like if there were no Concord, if everywhere were effectively 0.0 space.
Anyway ...
A lot of people who live in low sec and null sec do travel to hi sec for buying ships and equipment. One consequence of such a no-security world could be that we would be forced to have more local markets because long distance travel would be far more dangerous for everyone.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.05.20 08:10:00 -
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Some alliance(s) would take over specific mission hubs and blob all neutrals coming into it 15 to 1.
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Lana Hellfury
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.05.20 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
Some alliance(s) would take over specific mission hubs and blob all neutrals coming into it 15 to 1.
I know that's what I would be trying to do.. And the noob systems.. Charge people to use the gates.
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Future Mutant
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Posted - 2009.05.20 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
Edited by: Poreuomai on 20/05/2009 06:58:04
Originally by: Future Mutant
WTF- another nerf hi sec whine? At least this one is half disguised.
So please do not accuse me of such rubbish - I'm not asking anyone to "nerf hisec".
Your original post clearly stated-*The mission runners & industrialists would be forced*
and the "force" that would require them to change their ways is also clearly stated- *if everywhere were effectively 0.0 space*
The only part your nitpicking about is if this "discussion" was a "suggestion" that you would like to be implemented.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
... what would EVE online look like?
There would be a mass exodus and all that would be left are the guys who were banned from other MMOs for griefing.
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Rashattazbastaz
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Future Mutant
Originally by: Poreuomai
Edited by: Poreuomai on 20/05/2009 06:58:04
Originally by: Future Mutant
WTF- another nerf hi sec whine? At least this one is half disguised.
So please do not accuse me of such rubbish - I'm not asking anyone to "nerf hisec".
Pointless aggro nonsense
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 20/05/2009 11:31:43
Originally by: Future Mutant
Your original post clearly stated-*The mission runners & industrialists would be forced*
and the "force" that would require them to change their ways is also clearly stated- *if everywhere were effectively 0.0 space*
Yes, that is what I think would happen IF everywhere were effectively 0.0 space. Don't you agree? What's your point?
Originally by: Future Mutant
The only part your nitpicking about is if this "discussion" was a "suggestion" that you would like to be implemented.
You claimed that I was whine hi-sec SHOULD be nerfed, I made it clear that I am suggesting no such thing.
Are you trolling?
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Miss Tittsie
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:41:00 -
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It alredy hapened
CONCORD got busy for a short time and hell brake loose.
Minmatar invaded Amarr space and Caldari invaded Gallente space.
I can't imagine what would hapen if they got busy for a long time 
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