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Sumelar
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Posted - 2009.05.21 23:37:00 -
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The price on T3 will stabilize, this isn't WoW where you get everything handed to you instantly.
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Labratory Rat
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Posted - 2009.05.22 01:22:00 -
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Its too early to decide what enhancement was the worst investment by CCP. My crystal ball tells me that the released version of WH+T3 will reign supreme as the worst expansion ever due to its terrible economics, low spawn rates, horrific manufacturing randomness and how a WH system gets crippled if someone wants to settle in it. Of course, all the components are there for a great product if it gets a significant rethinking on how it should work. The real question is can CCP think itself out of the corner it painted itself into? Does anyone have a clue?!?!?!?!?!
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Labratory Rat
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Posted - 2009.05.22 01:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Sumelar
The price on T3 will stabilize, this isn't WoW where you get everything handed to you instantly.
I am sure we all appreciate your baseless prognostication and insinuation. Pray tell at what level will T3 prices stabilize and when? Did an actual neuron fire off when you wrote that or was it a Pavlovian response?
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Fidus Leguleius
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Posted - 2009.05.22 01:30:00 -
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Very true. What players don't seem to realize is that for most parts the prices are controlled by the collective minds of the big alliances, not CCP. If it doesn't serve their purposes, the prices stay high. Sadly solo pvp is a thing of the past, but if CCP boosts one ship type too much, there will be much more complaints about the leverage it gives to the masses.
I have faith in the t3 ships though. Along with implants and boosters it will make a difference, especially with the interdiction immunity.
If someone has any experience with using the strategic cruisers, then please share with us your death and glory.
Fidus
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Fidus Leguleius
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Posted - 2009.05.22 02:02:00 -
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I was actually replying to Sumelar, who I agree with. This game is built to challenge the player, not to satisfy the Pavlovian hunger for instant satisfaction.
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.05.22 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceMagic
t3 Ships Are awsome and allow for customization unlike any other ship, the prices are fine you'll never see them as cheap as a command ship,
Customization is largely overrated. Do you have any idea how many millions of module configurations you could fit onto, lets say, a Drake? Not even including rigs, just the the modules. Do you have any idea what percentage of these potential fits are slightly above complete fail comedy killmails? Yeah, like 3. My bad, that's not 3%, that's 3 total setups.
There is only 1, sometimes 2 decent sub-systems per category. There is also only 1, sometimes 2 differences in slot additions per category. The only subsystem with a bonus which costs you a module slot is the bubble immunity, and that's well worth it in 0.0, and a non-issue in low sec. Otherwise, the total number of slots and variations in high/med/low is extremely minor across all variations of a T3 cruisers, even including the horrible configurations of entirely fail subsystem choices.
There's maybe 4-5 viable setups for each T3 line, and honestly that's being generous and including the active tank ones when I really shouldn't. All Customization does is allow you to gimp your 1.5-2bil isk cruiser into uselessness.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2009.05.22 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: 314159265
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Oh, and why are marauders half broken?
I suspect it's because half the guns are broken, or at least less good for the job at hand. I can't really speak from experience as the only time I ever recall using blasters is when I was tackling for a corp mate out in low sec in a Hookbill and I've only once taken to space in a minmatar ship of any sort.
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Misanth
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.22 08:54:00 -
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Neither is fail. Prices can be discussed, so can fuel bays etc, but both BO and T3 are viable shiptypes.
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.05.22 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Neither is fail. Prices can be discussed, so can fuel bays etc, but both BO and T3 are viable shiptypes.
shhh. let them bug CCP until they cut the production costs of Black Ops in half.
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2009.05.22 10:48:00 -
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Third option; you fail!
T3 are controlled by supply and demand. If players can't be arsed to go into wormholes to get the needed supplies, prices go up. Are you with me?
Minerals too, are controlled by supply and demand. If players can't be arsed to mine to get the needed supplies, prices go up. Are you with me?
Loyalty points and faction rewards too, are controlled by supply and demand. If players can't be arsed to mission to get the needed supplies, prices go up. Are you with me?
Basic economy 101; you with me?
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Qual
Gallente
Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2009.05.22 10:59:00 -
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This makes me think of the first year of the Interceptors (the first T2 ship) when people said it was insane to pay 6M for a frigate and they simply where not worth the cost when you could get the best cruiser at the same price.
I lol when I read threds like this now..
"The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.22 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Basic economy 101; you with me?
No, you'll have to take that class alone.
In particular, take note of the concept of "opportunity cost".
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Tagami Wasp
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Posted - 2009.05.23 06:00:00 -
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BO are godly good now. Look around, you'll find people asking: "Where did that come from?" while getting podded. The price tag should go down, I want one too.
T3 price needs to go down too, I want one too. :P
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Lewyrus
Jugis Modo Utopia
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.05.23 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Lewyrus on 23/05/2009 09:45:27
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MukkBarovian
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Posted - 2009.05.23 11:26:00 -
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T3 ships lose comepletely. For the most part I think people can agree niether ship should be used in PvP when people care aout cost-effectiveness.
But if you don't try to take black ops into combat they have a use. Mobile cloaky jump gate with restricted access. For full effect you need a t2 cloaky hauler for the fuel. So you're paying 800 mil for your mobile cloaky jump gate and you need two alts with relatively high skillpoints. But your investment is in comparatively little danger.
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Demoria
The Priory
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Posted - 2009.05.23 13:59:00 -
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Saying that black ops are bad just shows how useless people really are in this game. Seriously, well organized use of black ops ships can be lethal in many situations. All you gotta do is to choose situations you use them in. Dropping like five gank fitted redeemers on a mid size gang that isn't prepared for them is pure epicness. Nuff' said.
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gwnorth
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.23 14:28:00 -
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T3 ships are definitely win. The interdiction subsystem that allows you warp through bubbles and hic points is worth the isk.
because you can't afford it doesn't mean it's fail.
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foobarx
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Posted - 2009.05.23 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
Originally by: 314159265
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Oh, and why are marauders half broken?
I suspect it's because half the guns are broken, or at least less good for the job at hand. I can't really speak from experience as the only time I ever recall using blasters is when I was tackling for a corp mate out in low sec in a Hookbill and I've only once taken to space in a minmatar ship of any sort.
Marauders aren't broken at all. They're awesome at the job they were designed to do - running missions. ISK/hr rate in a Marauder is double that of a normal BS. They are crippled for PvP, but that was deliberate.
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.23 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: gwnorth
T3 ships are definitely win. The interdiction subsystem that allows you warp through bubbles and hic points is worth the isk.
because you can't afford it doesn't mean it's fail.
So you're either claiming that every T3 cruiser should be fitted with it (nice for diversity and polyvalence. What was the point of modular design again?), or that one single subsytem is so overpowered it justify a cost of billions (and thus is in big need of a nerf).
Which one is it?
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.05.23 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Demoria
Saying that black ops are bad just shows how useless people really are in this game. Seriously, well organized use of black ops ships can be lethal in many situations. All you gotta do is to choose situations you use them in. Dropping like five gank fitted redeemers on a mid size gang that isn't prepared for them is pure epicness. Nuff' said.
Honestly dude I wouldn't bother, not only are the majority of the players in this game idiots, they're also perfectly content with their ignorance. Those who frequent the forums even go out of their way to remain ignorant in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Nothing you can say will enlighten them, besides in a week they will have forgotten everything you said anyway.
We've been hot dropping people with Black Ops since March, 2008. (It took a while train them up, and we were initially busy playing with HICs for the first few months)
Back when I was naive enough to believe that ignorance could be cured with informative forum posts, I wrote a detailed step by step description of the strategies and tactics for successful Black Ops usage, including limitations on use, when to use them, when not, etc so forth. This was back in July 2008.
Do you know who the first poster was to respond to my step by step guide to using blackops?
Waxau.
1 week later, guess who forgot I had posted said guide, or that he had read and replied to it? Yep, Waxau. The same Waxau who spent the next year posting in every BOs thread I posted in giving me sh*t for being secretive and not sharing my leet strats with him so that he could learn how to not fail with his Black Ops ship.
Nobody knows how to use search (or eve-search.com), everyone has ADHD. A week from now there will be another thread pop up just like this one, and nobody will remember anything that was posted in this one. Eventually you realize that the only useful thing you can do with the forums is troll people. The only forum battle worth fighting is ensuring that CCP doesn't listen to the idiots, and even those are lost causes most of the time.
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Misanth
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.23 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere
Honestly dude I wouldn't bother, not only are the majority of the players in this game idiots, they're also perfectly content with their ignorance.
That. Another description would be to simply call them sheeps. Dogs bark left, sheep go left. Dogs run around sheep and they will run forward. Dogs bark right, sheeps turn right. Sheep gets trapped in, dog gets pat on head and a bone.
Woof woof.
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gwnorth
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.24 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: gwnorth
T3 ships are definitely win. The interdiction subsystem that allows you warp through bubbles and hic points is worth the isk.
because you can't afford it doesn't mean it's fail.
So you're either claiming that every T3 cruiser should be fitted with it (nice for diversity and polyvalence. What was the point of modular design again?), or that one single subsytem is so overpowered it justify a cost of billions (and thus is in big need of a nerf).
Which one is it?
Your question is fail.
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Rivur'Tam
the united
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Posted - 2009.05.24 11:42:00 -
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whine whine whine
the ship prices are fine for what they do
the only ship that is overpriced compared to its abilites is a mothership
and i own sin/kronos/proteus and a mothership and i feel they are all priced fine apart from motherships as the ships have a role, ur just *****ing because u can't afford them.
my vid watch now
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Sumelar
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Posted - 2009.05.24 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sumelar on 24/05/2009 15:53:06
Originally by: Labratory Rat
Originally by: Sumelar
The price on T3 will stabilize, this isn't WoW where you get everything handed to you instantly.
I am sure we all appreciate your baseless prognostication and insinuation. Pray tell at what level will T3 prices stabilize and when? Did an actual neuron fire off when you wrote that or was it a Pavlovian response?
I'll tell you when you tell me how you know they're going to stay insanely overpriced forever. Don't try to insult me just because you can't fly the new ships the week they come out, for dirt cheap. You must be new to this game if you think anything happens that quickly.
Furthermore, start digging through the past threads, and you'll find the exact same nonsense about tech 2 when it first came out. Obviously no one is saying that isn't worth the price anymore, and tech 3 will be the same way.
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