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CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2009.05.22 07:04:00 - [91] Originally by: bigbillthaboss2 I am still in shock some people are getting onto us "whiners". It's called constructive CRITICISM, it helps CCP accomplish their short term goals, in this case a bug fix lol. No, not really, it's stress from all of us and these forums are the best place to dish it out on. I am happy that those of you who sit in stations all day playing with the game's market as if it were a stock market enjoy not experiencing this bug, but all of us who take advantage of all the attributes EVE offers us go under great stress due to this and we like expressing ourselves to them, so quit "whining" at us "whiners". Another thing, I noticed the bug always seems to fix itself on the sun?? I am sure ya'll know this but just a heads up, maybe something to do with that. Hurry up with the walking in stations so my toon can get drunk in a bar and talk about the ship I lost due to a new glitch. A lot of people tend to forget the constructive part of constructive criticism, in general you have to say what it wrong, why it's wrong and give suggestions on how to fix it. But you also have to consider the situation, in some cases you can't tell us how to fix a certain issue. There is however one very important part about constructive criticism and that is to be unemotional. In many cases people are either too upset to be unemotional or they don't see it as a problem, but the end result is that the people you want to hear your criticism will not listen to it. That's not specific to this game or anything, that's just the way it is. Be short and to the point and don't mix in insults or abusive behavior and you're guaranteed to get more people to listen to what you have to say. That's in general though, looking at the responses in this thread, and also what kind of situation this is, I think the majority of posts can be considered constructive. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us If it's stupid but works, it isn't stupid.

Blackened Plague	Posted - 2009.05.22 07:14:00 - [92] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: bigbillthaboss2 I am still in shock some people are getting onto us "whiners". It's called constructive CRITICISM, it helps CCP accomplish their short term goals, in this case a bug fix lol. No, not really, it's stress from all of us and these forums are the best place to dish it out on. I am happy that those of you who sit in stations all day playing with the game's market as if it were a stock market enjoy not experiencing this bug, but all of us who take advantage of all the attributes EVE offers us go under great stress due to this and we like expressing ourselves to them, so quit "whining" at us "whiners". Another thing, I noticed the bug always seems to fix itself on the sun?? I am sure ya'll know this but just a heads up, maybe something to do with that. Hurry up with the walking in stations so my toon can get drunk in a bar and talk about the ship I lost due to a new glitch. A lot of people tend to forget the constructive part of constructive criticism, in general you have to say what it wrong, why it's wrong and give suggestions on how to fix it. But you also have to consider the situation, in some cases you can't tell us how to fix a certain issue. There is however one very important part about constructive criticism and that is to be unemotional. In many cases people are either too upset to be unemotional or they don't see it as a problem, but the end result is that the people you want to hear your criticism will not listen to it. That's not specific to this game or anything, that's just the way it is. Be short and to the point and don't mix in insults or abusive behavior and you're guaranteed to get more people to listen to what you have to say. That's in general though, looking at the responses in this thread, and also what kind of situation this is, I think the majority of posts can be considered constructive. More fixing the game less forum posting.
High CounciI	Posted - 2009.05.22 07:22:00 - [93] Originally by: Blackened Plague Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: bigbillthaboss2 I am still in shock some people are getting onto us "whiners". It's called constructive CRITICISM, it helps CCP accomplish their short term goals, in this case a bug fix lol. No, not really, it's stress from all of us and these forums are the best place to dish it out on. I am happy that those of you who sit in stations all day playing with the game's market as if it were a stock market enjoy not experiencing this bug, but all of us who take advantage of all the attributes EVE offers us go under great stress due to this and we like expressing ourselves to them, so quit "whining" at us "whiners". Another thing, I noticed the bug always seems to fix itself on the sun?? I am sure ya'll know this but just a heads up, maybe something to do with that. Hurry up with the walking in stations so my toon can get drunk in a bar and talk about the ship I lost due to a new glitch. A lot of people tend to forget the constructive part of constructive criticism, in general you have to say what it wrong, why it's wrong and give suggestions on how to fix it. But you also have to consider the situation, in some cases you can't tell us how to fix a certain issue. There is however one very important part about constructive criticism and that is to be unemotional. In many cases people are either too upset to be unemotional or they don't see it as a problem, but the end result is that the people you want to hear your criticism will not listen to it. That's not specific to this game or anything, that's just the way it is. Be short and to the point and don't mix in insults or abusive behavior and you're guaranteed to get more people to listen to what you have to say. That's in general though, looking at the responses in this thread, and also what kind of situation this is, I think the majority of posts can be considered constructive. More fixing the game less forum posting. agreed, roll the server back re-reimburse losses due to this obvious bug, give credit for time trained on skills, and let the people get on with playing this game. we pay for this game to play... not to stay docked in a station because we have to log every jump or wait 10 minutes every time we jump our fleet to the next system. perhaps instead of telling us how to form our responses to this post you spend more time sticking your face in the code and turning this thing called eve back into a game instead of something at aggravates even buda.
Ghost Prophet Age of Honour Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.22 07:46:00 - [94] Originally by: High CounciI agreed, roll the server back re-reimburse losses due to this obvious bug, give credit for time trained on skills, and let the people get on with playing this game. we pay for this game to play... not to stay docked in a station because we have to log every jump or wait 10 minutes every time we jump our fleet to the next system. perhaps instead of telling us how to form our responses to this post you spend more time sticking your face in the code and turning this thing called eve back into a game instead of something at aggravates even buda. Uh... Actually I don't believe Wrangler is a Dev. So you should just be happy that he is trying to comfort us with forum posts instead of ignoring us, which is what I expected would happen so I am happy to see a response -of any kind-. :) From a professional perspective. I would say that problem with jumping through systems is probably a hardware problem and not a software problem, although the problem starting around the time of last patch is interesting. << If it is a hardware problem it could have started on any DT though, IMO. It is nice to see that chat server continuing to function properly in any case. ^_^ - Ghost "Do not excessively covet swords and daggers made by famous masters. Even if you own a sword or dagger worth 10,000 pieces, it can be overcome by 100 spears each worth 100 pieces. Th
Connor Banks Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.05.22 07:55:00 - [95] I tried to navigate with starmap up and windowed mode. No luck. Got struck by the jump bug. ...feels like EVE is still in beta...
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.05.22 08:00:00 - [96] I thought everyone getting stuck everywhere was a feature of the ongoing storyline arc about how wormholes appeared and how they are now destabilising the surrounding space. Ghost ships/pods more common than ever, people getting stuck in systems, people jumping into 2 framed galaxies that are probably part of some weird dimension.
Pessa Caldari Nucleus Research	Posted - 2009.05.22 08:19:00 - [97] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: bigbillthaboss2 I am still in shock some people are getting onto us "whiners". It's called constructive CRITICISM, it helps CCP accomplish their short term goals, in this case a bug fix lol. No, not really, it's stress from all of us and these forums are the best place to dish it out on. I am happy that those of you who sit in stations all day playing with the game's market as if it were a stock market enjoy not experiencing this bug, but all of us who take advantage of all the attributes EVE offers us go under great stress due to this and we like expressing ourselves to them, so quit "whining" at us "whiners". Another thing, I noticed the bug always seems to fix itself on the sun?? I am sure ya'll know this but just a heads up, maybe something to do with that. Hurry up with the walking in stations so my toon can get drunk in a bar and talk about the ship I lost due to a new glitch. A lot of people tend to forget the constructive part of constructive criticism, in general you have to say what it wrong, why it's wrong and give suggestions on how to fix it. But you also have to consider the situation, in some cases you can't tell us how to fix a certain issue. There is however one very important part about constructive criticism and that is to be unemotional. In many cases people are either too upset to be unemotional or they don't see it as a problem, but the end result is that the people you want to hear your criticism will not listen to it. That's not specific to this game or anything, that's just the way it is. Be short and to the point and don't mix in insults or abusive behavior and you're guaranteed to get more people to listen to what you have to say. That's in general though, looking at the responses in this thread, and also what kind of situation this is, I think the majority of posts can be considered constructive. Ehh what? TBH, im pretty sure that u would get "constructive criticism" if eve has only a few bugs which would be fixed by ur software engineerings asap. But eve has around 42423xx bugs, many known well over 6 month..never intended to fix...and when u try to fix it, u create two more, nice business. It looks like that ur software enigneerings/quality control isnt so professional. Also, we got a GM response on that thing and he told us thats not possible to rollback the server. Ehhh, no failure protection running by CCP? I hope he was joking...i really hoping. Every filthy second-hand hardware shop has a failure protection system when sth goes wrong. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
Dominik Miethling	Posted - 2009.05.22 08:27:00 - [98] Originally by: 5pinDizzy I thought everyone getting stuck everywhere was a feature of the ongoing storyline arc about how wormholes appeared and how they are now destabilising the surrounding space. Ghost ships/pods more common than ever, people getting stuck in systems, people jumping into 2 framed galaxies that are probably part of some weird dimension. :D While entering another dimension i keep on reading the forums and all the rage-posts. It really helps to enjoy the game even with the bug :) As someone mentioned, we have seen worse bugs.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.05.22 08:28:00 - [99] Edited by: Gnulpie on 22/05/2009 08:30:51 Originally by: Pessa Ehh what? TBH, im pretty sure that u would get "constructive criticism" if eve has only a few bugs which would be fixed by ur software engineerings asap. But eve has around 42423xx bugs, many known well over 6 month..never intended to fix...and when u try to fix it, u create two more, nice business. That's why I said earlier already that as annoying and game-breaking this bug here might be, CCP needs to take their time to fix up the bug properly. A quick hack isn't good enough, they need to test and test and make sure that nothing else is broken (again). I am not happy with the bug here either, but for the sake of goodness, give them the time they need to do things in the right way! Or do you think they are happy about all these bugs?? On a second note: All these bugs are caused by the extreme tight schedule on Apocrypha release. That insane rush there was a huge mistake. All the bugs and problems now are caused by this tight schedule. I hope CCP learns their lesson and for the future will get themselves more time and care with expansions.
captcommunic Gallente StargateCommand	Posted - 2009.05.22 08:53:00 - [100] I cant even login now, After about the 50th time "relogging" it just stopped logging in. FAIL
Kassandra Mcload	Posted - 2009.05.22 08:55:00 - [101] I stuck in a Portal and i logout and i can no login and now ccp ???????
Snasty Caldari The Hippies House of Mercury	Posted - 2009.05.22 08:58:00 - [102] I have to wonder what ppl on trail are making of this. Just bought the box version ready for a long (US) weekend holiday gaming to discover that it, err, doesnt work. Not likley to take out a full subscription are they now I guess. Older buggers like me can, to a degree, understand that **** happens, even if we cant understand the absence of frequent and loud communications from CCP confirming the fact that this bug is TOTALLY breaking the game for a percentage of the player base and that ALL their effort is focused on fixing it. I doubt a new player will remain frankly. I guess that CCP know this is doing them real and lasting financial harm. I guess they do? --------------------------------------- -=Snasty, short for Shagnasty ever since the GM's in SWG made me change it...!=-
captcommunic Gallente StargateCommand	Posted - 2009.05.22 09:01:00 - [103] If i could just login i would not jump....Just wanna play eve xDD
Neddy Fox Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.05.22 09:01:00 - [104] Looks like the whole EVE population is ratting / mission running. PvP completely died. As the crashes are random, it might be hard to figure out what's happening for CCP, but tbh I've never seen an issue stay this long in game. TBH, CCP should revert back to 1.2, and start again from there; they started to screw up with the ECM/MWD/Cloak patch, and from there it only went from bad to worse. Be wise CCP, revert back before you start losing serious amount of subscribers. ---- [PXIN Recruiter] PXIN Recruitement thread
Maeltne Yuuris	Posted - 2009.05.22 09:02:00 - [105] I to have experienced this bug numerous times, in fact, after trying to re-log to fix this most recent one I am now completely unable to log in. It merely keeps the log-in bar up with a black screen for however long I leave it.
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.05.22 09:06:00 - [106] Used the workaround for a few times but now I can't get back in. FREE! jumpclone service - over 200 locations!
captcommunic Gallente StargateCommand	Posted - 2009.05.22 09:11:00 - [107] It seems i can login to any other toons BUT my main. Great. Now i'm stuck with a 800k SP toon
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.22 09:13:00 - [108] Okay, since I know nothing of the code, but just love throwing my idea's out there at the risk of "Spoiling the broth", here we go. - We know it is tied into jumping. Everyone knows this, srsly. - We also know that it happens more when multiple people jump through a gate in quick succession. It has also, coincidently, surfaced as a bug after you managed to stamp out Module Delay on Gate-Jumps. Could it possibly be tied into this "fix"?. Did someone shuffle some code to help Optimise jumps which then lead to gates not being able to handle alot of traffic and instead of denying the jumps, people are getting stuck in a client/server limbo?. When people previously jumped through a gate previous to this patch, The "Module Delay" was worse in medium traffic systems and insane in systems like Jita. Where it was common to Jump, warp to station and get denied to dock because you were still "Cloaked". Now, its ALSO worse in high traffic systems, With the relogs per jumps / successful jumps without relog ratio getting skewed towards the Relogs per jumps if you consistently use autopilot in high traffic zones. - Is it possible that this bug is infact an extension of the one we had pre-patch?. Perhaps in juggling some code to do things faster, you moved the bug a couple of steps back, and now instead of the server checking that you have uncloaked, it gets choked on checking if you are still "Online". (I presume that the server checks this, because often when my network lags out [Aka someone downloading on the other computer] i often get instawarped 1million kilometres from the gate despite still being online and autopilot being on.) - If not, will there be cake?!?!?! ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Misanth The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.05.22 09:19:00 - [109] Originally by: Blackened Plague More fixing the game less forum posting. I hope you're a troll that tries to aggravate him/others. Else, you might want to have a look at Wranglers position/work role at CCP. They're not all working with game development helpful hint. Not to mention that quite a few of us want to see updates/posts from CCP, to see issues are being worked on. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Toutaku Omega Strike Force	Posted - 2009.05.22 09:25:00 - [110] I'm not gonna whine nor am I gonna be too damn emotional, but I am goin to say "Im stuck at the entering game screen" and can't continue no matter how many times I re-log. I can however play the alts on my account but they are worthless anyway. So please fix this bug ASAP. My main is all I need...
Zostera Minmatar Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.05.22 09:29:00 - [111] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: bigbillthaboss2 I am still in shock some people are getting onto us "whiners". It's called constructive CRITICISM, it helps CCP accomplish their short term goals, in this case a bug fix lol. No, not really, it's stress from all of us and these forums are the best place to dish it out on. I am happy that those of you who sit in stations all day playing with the game's market as if it were a stock market enjoy not experiencing this bug, but all of us who take advantage of all the attributes EVE offers us go under great stress due to this and we like expressing ourselves to them, so quit "whining" at us "whiners". Another thing, I noticed the bug always seems to fix itself on the sun?? I am sure ya'll know this but just a heads up, maybe something to do with that. Hurry up with the walking in stations so my toon can get drunk in a bar and talk about the ship I lost due to a new glitch. A lot of people tend to forget the constructive part of constructive criticism, in general you have to say what it wrong, why it's wrong and give suggestions on how to fix it. But you also have to consider the situation, in some cases you can't tell us how to fix a certain issue. There is however one very important part about constructive criticism and that is to be unemotional. In many cases people are either too upset to be unemotional or they don't see it as a problem, but the end result is that the people you want to hear your criticism will not listen to it. That's not specific to this game or anything, that's just the way it is. Be short and to the point and don't mix in insults or abusive behavior and you're guaranteed to get more people to listen to what you have to say. That's in general though, looking at the responses in this thread, and also what kind of situation this is, I think the majority of posts can be considered constructive. Is it me or did CCP just lecture it's player base on how to communicate effectively, after ignoring any opportunity to communicate effectively with us for the past two weeks? Please.... really. It would be nice to see regular updates on a solution to the issue rather commentary on our rather justified anger at the situation. For those unhappy with CCP's recent communications failure leading to game breakingingly poor patches, you can support this Thread and perhaps the CSM can address it. Zos Vote Mazzilliu 09 CSM
Toutaku Omega Strike Force	Posted - 2009.05.22 09:51:00 - [112] Originally by: Toutaku I'm not gonna whine nor am I gonna be too damn emotional, but I am goin to say "Im stuck at the entering game screen" and can't continue no matter how many times I re-log. I can however play the alts on my account but they are worthless anyway. So please fix this bug ASAP. My main is all I need... Fix it myself finally! To anybody who has their character stuck at the entering screen, you can try doing the following. If you have a 2nd account, copy the ccp folder from it to your main game directory. That fixed my problem now i can resume my trade run until the next lock-up...
Face dePhasme	Posted - 2009.05.22 09:53:00 - [113] Edited by: Face dePhasme on 22/05/2009 09:53:49 **, , , , ! Roll back your in patch!!! Did i pay for play in most large universe for staying in a only system. , , , , *! (it's said)*
Fortune Foru	Posted - 2009.05.22 10:12:00 - [114] I would be ok if you got rid of local or delayed it by 10min while you fixed the problem.
Awyn Lothr Idle Miners Frontal Impact	Posted - 2009.05.22 10:41:00 - [115] Does CCP know the concept of ROLLBACK!!! You did a patch to fix a bug, that started a new bug that was patched and started this one. Do a **ing rollback of the 2 previous patches and work on an effective fix for the first bug FFS. The game is unplayable how the ** do you have such a game breaking bug on the live server for more than a couple of hours at the most?
Doctor Penguin Amarr Heavy Influence Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.22 11:08:00 - [116] I had to relog about 15 times last night, but I'm not making all this horrific whining. Why? Because it's not a huge problem - relog, carry on... ________________________________________________ http://eve.drome.nl/CaodCleaner/ Help make CAOD readable.
Mauddib77 The Perfect Storm Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.05.22 11:10:00 - [117] A lot of people tend to forget the constructive part of constructive criticism, in general you have to say what it wrong, why it's wrong and give suggestions on how to fix it. But you also have to consider the situation, in some cases you can't tell us how to fix a certain issue. There is however one very important part about constructive criticism and that is to be unemotional. In many cases people are either too upset to be unemotional or they don't see it as a problem, but the end result is that the people you want to hear your criticism will not listen to it. That's not specific to this game or anything, that's just the way it is. Be short and to the point and don't mix in insults or abusive behavior and you're guaranteed to get more people to listen to what you have to say. That's in general though, looking at the responses in this thread, and also what kind of situation this is, I think the majority of posts can be considered constructive. LOL...When I pay for a product...lets say a vehicle...I do not wait around for a recal on a specific item from the manufacturer..I return the item and get my money back..."That's just the way it is." -OK Dad
Bevil Smyth Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.22 11:10:00 - [118] No wonder we dont see many dev posts on this. come on guys keep it civil. Think of how you would react to your post if you where in the other persons shoes. ============================ 2003 and still alive!
DaBells	Posted - 2009.05.22 11:12:00 - [119] Originally by: Blackened Plague More fixing the game less forum posting. LOL - When CCP don't respond people tell them that their is no communication between CCP and the player base, however, when CCP do respond after numerous posts telling them to, people tell them to stop responding and get on with fixing the problem...... Which one do you want??? :D Responses or no responses .........?? Choose one and stick with it.
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.05.22 11:20:00 - [120] I for one support this awesome blob-killing feature. ____ Rockets need a boost. CCP status: [_] Told. [x] Not told. ◕◡◕

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