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          Lithalnas 
          Amarr The Really Awesome Players
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.23 22:03:00 -
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            Originally by: JoBa70 Edited by: JoBa70 on 23/05/2009 21:38:35
   Originally by: Gealbhan Like most everyone else I had and episode of the "jumpy star seizure" as I call it. I just logged out and back in, annoying but no biggie. I can certainly deal with it untill it's fixed this week.
 
 
 
  Yeah no biggie - if in high sec of course   You do realize it might become a 'biggie' for people in low sec/00??
 
 
  or in high sec surrounded by flashy red boxes with little red starts in the corner. -------------
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          Deacon Iscariut 
          Coalition of Nations DEFI4NT
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.23 22:07:00 -
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          I logged in afterwards it has been
  Jump...relog Jump...relog Jump...relog Jump...relog ....and so forth and so on
  See a pattern developing here
  HOTFIX!!!  
 
  Coalition Of Nations It was the Law of the Sea, they said. Civilization ends at the waterline. Beyond that, we all enter the food chain, and not always right at the top.
 
 
 
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          Gealbhan 
          Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.23 22:36:00 -
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          Edited by: Gealbhan on 23/05/2009 22:36:31
   Originally by: JoBa70 Edited by: JoBa70 on 23/05/2009 21:38:35
   Originally by: Gealbhan Like most everyone else I had and episode of the "jumpy star seizure" as I call it. I just logged out and back in, annoying but no biggie. I can certainly deal with it untill it's fixed this week.
 
 
 
  Yeah no biggie - if in high sec of course   You do realize it might become a 'biggie' for people in low sec/00??
 
 
  That's your choice if you wanna put yourself at risk with a known issue right now  
   Originally by: Reven Cordelle What do I do? Well half the time, I'm an Orca Pilot - So absolutely sweet F/A except hit F1 and F2 - sit back and feel my ass grow.
 
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          5pinDizzy 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.23 23:02:00 -
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            Originally by: Gealbhan
 
   Originally by: JoBa70
  Yeah no biggie - if in high sec of course   You do realize it might become a 'biggie' for people in low sec/00??
 
 
  That's your choice if you wanna put yourself at risk with a known issue right now  
 
 
  LOL, go back to WoW or get a reality check. 
 
 
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          Par'Gellen 
          Gallente Tres Hombres Psychiatric Hospital
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.23 23:10:00 -
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            Originally by: 5pinDizzy LOL, go back to WoW or get a reality check.
  Believe it or not since CCP forced me to play something else for a few days (quite a bizarre thing for a company to do mind you) I patched up WoW with the expansions and have been having a great time in it. It's quite fun and actually playable. 
  Makes me wonder why I keep coming back here... Now that I think about it I have no idea. Time for a break from Eve I think. See yall in a few months! If it's back to being playable by then that is...
  o/ ---
  To err is human. But it shouldn't be the company motto...
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          Blane Xero 
          Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.23 23:14:00 -
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            Originally by: Par'Gellen
   Originally by: 5pinDizzy LOL, go back to WoW or get a reality check.
  Believe it or not since CCP forced me to play something else for a few days (quite a bizarre thing for a company to do mind you) I patched up WoW with the expansions and have been having a great time in it. It's quite fun and actually playable. 
  Makes me wonder why I keep coming back here... Now that I think about it I have no idea. Time for a break from Eve I think. See yall in a few months! If it's back to being playable by then that is...
  o/
  If you feel that strongly about it a contract with all your worldly possessions assigned in private to my character (Blane Xero) Would be nice. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
 
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          5pinDizzy 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.23 23:36:00 -
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            Originally by: Par'Gellen
   Originally by: 5pinDizzy LOL, go back to WoW or get a reality check.
  Believe it or not since CCP forced me to play something else for a few days (quite a bizarre thing for a company to do mind you) I patched up WoW with the expansions and have been having a great time in it. It's quite fun and actually playable. 
  Makes me wonder why I keep coming back here... Now that I think about it I have no idea. Time for a break from Eve I think. See yall in a few months! If it's back to being playable by then that is...
  o/
 
 
  I think that was the only time I've ever said to anyone to go back to WOW too.
 
  
  Do whatever makes you happy.
  As you said yourself, CCP "forced" you to play something else for a few days. 
  If you'd have said something like "Don't login if you can't hack it, find something else to do for Gods sake until they fix it" rather than "If you're in 00/lowsec, don't take risks while this bug is still a problem" I would have understood.
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          Ji Sama 
          Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.23 23:48:00 -
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          Edited by: Ji Sama on 23/05/2009 23:48:35 I just love EVE. And im honered to have such a good DEV team working for me, at such a small fee ie. 15 euros per month per account.. i will happily continue paying CCP the 100 euros per month for my accounts, and ill do this without whining all the time, crying and *****ing.......
 
 
  GO CCP FTW
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  "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"
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          ToTheCore 
          Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.23 23:57:00 -
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          Please don't wait until Tuesday for this patch...it's unplayable right now. The amount of petitions that you will likely receive from people losing ships because of this bug won't be worth the wait to deploy this patch. ---
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          Tom Carbett 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.24 00:37:00 -
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            Originally by: RJ Nobel CCP moved a large portion of their development staff to their new MMO (World of Darkness)
 
 
  What?? They didnt fire them?
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          Steely Dhan 
          Perkone
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.24 04:06:00 -
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            Originally by: matbrum  Futhermore, always right click and warp somewhere after the dreaded jutter. This will keep you from relogging to the gate you crashed on.
 
 
 
 
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          ZhouXi 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.24 05:55:00 -
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            Originally by: CCP Wrangler The only "workaround" currently available is to log out and then log back in.
 
 
  If this is the only 'workaround,' then wouldn't it be reasonable to give the players some sort of compensation for lost playing time? Perhaps extra days of playtime credited to their accounts for the duration of time this bug has been in effect?
  Having to quit the game and log back in is an embarrassingly bad workaround.
  Granted, the people who lost their ships from having to log back in to find they blew up in the meantime will not think this is good enough, but seriously, just saying 'we are working on it' seems pretty... lame.
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          Terminus Vindictus 
          Caldari
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.24 16:51:00 -
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          Oddly enough this bug only happens one one of my clients, and hasn't happened on my other client yet. I run the two clients out of separate folders.
  Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help. | 
      
      
      
          
          Bestofworst 
          Gallente Double Eagle Enterprises
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.24 17:42:00 -
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          This also doesn't seem to happen very often when I have my map open, manually warp and jump or just generally stay in a low-populated area. ---- <Insert Wit> | 
      
      
      
          
          Borb Mizzet 
          Gallente Black Serpent Technologies Aggression.
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.24 19:45:00 -
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          FFS if you got the patch ready deploy as soon as possible. i'm sick of this BS. i've lost too many ****ing ships because of it.
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          Killer Gandry 
          Caldari Red Horizon Inc
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.24 20:24:00 -
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          As much as I understand that with every new patch things can "happen" I do have to agree that it is completely intolerable to announce you will have a patch to fix the issue, but instead of horfixing you set a date a few days off.
  No matter which account I use I get this annoying humpbug way too many times.
  It's bloody annoying to have to relog all of the time, not counting in the amount of extra risk you run doing this crap in low sec.
  So please explain why the patch isn't going to be deployed sooner while you already have it sitting in the fridge to come out.
 
 
 
 
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          Angry Cheeto 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.24 22:49:00 -
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            Originally by: Killer Gandry As much as I understand that with every new patch things can "happen" I do have to agree that it is completely intolerable to announce you will have a patch to fix the issue, but instead of horfixing you set a date a few days off.
  No matter which account I use I get this annoying humpbug way too many times.
  It's bloody annoying to have to relog all of the time, not counting in the amount of extra risk you run doing this crap in low sec.
  So please explain why the patch isn't going to be deployed sooner while you already have it sitting in the fridge to come out.
  If I had to guess I'd say the dev that wasn't moved to CCP's other MMO and still works on Eve is out of town this holiday weekend and won't be back until Tuesday.  
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          Ecann 
          Gallente
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.25 06:58:00 -
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          I cant go two jumps without getting locked up. Am I a criminal? This has been going on for 4 days now. CCP your customer service skills have gone even lower. I suggest you check your clone before you leave the station. You've already lost skills.
 
  Making millionaires sense 2004, stop reading my signature
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          RiotRick 
          Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.25 08:09:00 -
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          The game is pretty much unplayable... Why can't huge problems like this be fixed sooner? --  The future is black.
 
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          Plan Neun 
          Caldari KRAFTWERK
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.25 09:01:00 -
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          Dear CCP
 
  Had 3 jumpbacks on Friday that was annoying special the last one, it happened 2 jumps before 2 WTS in a solarsystem. Another thing when this occurs I got this bad feeling hostiles can lock and shoot you down if you dont relogg in a wiffy!
  2 jumpbacks yesterday, I hope you are able to correct this asap.
  Cheers Plan N
  "I cut your head off and put it in my TV-Set"
 
 
 
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          Joshua Last 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.25 10:00:00 -
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          Seems to happen mostly at certain time of the day... hard to say.
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          Darwin Duck 
          Ihatalo Navy Ihatalo Cartel Navy
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.25 10:03:00 -
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            Originally by: CCP Wrangler  Update: We just announced a patch, more information can be found in the news
 
 
  This is BS, I've been watching CNN, BBC news , TV2 news and not a word about this fix at all.  
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          Jhagiti Tyran 
          Mortis Angelus
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.25 10:12:00 -
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          What would happen if CCP tried to take the monthly cc payment and it got refused? would they accept an email from me saying "I am aware of the issue and taking steps to remedy the situation" and not close my account? and if after several days of no payment i sent another email saying "I will be correcting this issue four days from now" would the account still remain open?
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          The Tzar 
          Malicious Intentions The Church.
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.25 10:41:00 -
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          This is what happens when companies focus on turnover rather than the quality of their product.
  CCP; If you make EVE the most bug free, player-focused MMO out there you will make tons of cash. 
  Stop being so amazingly short sighted. I would have been fired and probably sued if mistakes like this were tolerated in my business. Man-up and sort your house out. __________________________________________
  'Light travels faster than sound.  This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________ | 
      
      
      
          
          NightmareX 
          D00M. Triumvirate.
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.25 11:52:00 -
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          I took around 38 jumps yesterday and had to relog maybe 25 times out of that.
  Well we managed to get to our destination and we managed to do what we wanted. But still, was pain in the ass to get to the destination and back home.
  And since i don't want to smack CCP, then i'm gonna ask a question instead.
  How in the name of jesus did the whole QA staff managed to oversee the jump bug?. Did no one of the QA staff take no jumps at all before they decided the patch was clear to be released?.
  That's what i don't get how they managed to do that. | 
      
      
      
          
          Zverofaust 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.25 11:59:00 -
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          So you've found and fixed the problem... but won't deploy the patch for another two days?
  It's hard not to be critical of CCP. I've developed (****ty open-source in-my-free-time) games before so I understand the stress of releasing something, finding out it's broken and everyone's ****ed, and wrangling to fix it before too many people get ****ed off and give up. But I don't understand how you can sit on a fix for two days while billions of ISK are being lost. | 
      
      
      
          
          Solbright 
          Advanced Security And Asset Protection
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.25 12:00:00 -
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          I haven't seen a single complaint from Linux and Mac users on this issue. Must be restricted to a particular OS configuration or something similar.
 
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          Zaldoc 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.25 12:18:00 -
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          Edited by: Zaldoc on 25/05/2009 13:42:08 Duno about that,but seems to be some sort of memory leak in the server..Its loosing track of where you are atm,and a relog clears it up..
  But too all who complain here about loosing this and that..
  Playtime..Really your loosing a few seconds each time you relog..Hardly a big issue,just annoying at best..And most certainly don't warrant a refund of playtime. 
  Ships..Well we all know the bug is here and until they can sort it out,try not to jump around to much..And if you do live whit the risk..
  Only other thing they could do was to shut the game down until the hotfix was ready..I have no doubt that would cause an even bigger uprise here.. People needs to understand they cant just release a hotfix even if they suspect it can fix the issue,as such a thing could mess things even further up if its not working as intended..They need to be sure before sending it out.. | 
      
      
      
          
          Natasha Joviche 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.25 13:34:00 -
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          one of my corp mates is running it on the mac client and has the same problem so it doesn't seem to be client specific | 
      
      
      
          
          Sinjack 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2009.05.25 14:31:00 -
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          People don't seem to realize that yelling "FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER" doesn't actually change the fact that there's a process.
  Typical Development Cycle
  1) Changes on Development Server 2) Move changes to QA Server 3) Repeat above until Changes pass User Test. 4) Schedule move to Production
  The sudden (almost reflexive) thing to do if a showstopper is passed to Production is a rollback, however there are a couple things that can prevent that, but first requires a little explanation of how the development cycle affects the three servers.
  Development is the server that is LEAST like Production, experimental changes in a version tracking system ensures this server can be broken and unbroken and re-broken at all times in the day, when the developer decides he's met the requirements of the Change Request he schedules a move to a Testing server.
  QA is the server that's supposed to be MOST like Production without actually being production, bad changes are supposed to be reversed or patched and nothing [is supposed to] sit in QA that doesn't get moved to Production "soon".
  Production is the server that the users get to see.
  Development is supposed to be a clone of QA, and QA of Production; but as time goes on and changes are made and patched and re-patched, they get "desync'd" (drat). Refreshes are when Production is copied to QA, and then to Development, a long time between refreshes means that potentially unstable patches get moved to Production simply because one piece of code doesn't interact with the rest of the build as properly as it did in QA. (Damn computers, always messing up perfectly good code)
  Now, as to why they didn't just roll-back to 1.1? It is possible that in making patches and changes since 1.1 (even minor ones) they altered the database in a way that cannot be reverted with the press of a button, or it might require a roll-back of the client database as well... so that would mean losing days/weeks/months of training time, as well as Character/Corp/Alliance creations, standing/member changes, etc. 
  Bugs are [usually] classified with a severity system, and as MUCH as you guys would absolutely love this to be a Severity 1 bug... it isn't. Why? because Severity One implies that the bug is preventing operation of a critical business resource that [literally] costs the company money-per-second until it's fixed. As dramatic as you get, you can't fight it: The Servers are up, accepting connections and registrations. 
  This puts it at most a Severity Two bug, which is a critical show-stopper, but not persistent. I don't think I would give it that much credit, it's more of a Severity 3, a show-stopper affecting *some* of the population intermittently.
  and that boys and girls, are how bugs are [accidentally] made in a production server with a proper development cycle, and probably why they're not scrambling fighter jets to combat this bug.
  ^ TL;DR? This is likely a Severity 3 Bug being staffed by the developers to have a working fix developed & documented as quickly as reasonably possible. There was no rollback because it would likely require a (perhaps full) database revert, which *would* cost CCP thousands of dollars in people fleeing the game for the loss of days/weeks/months of training time. | 
      
      
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