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Edward Khurelem
Zero Eccentricity
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:09:00 -
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So! Ladies and Gentlemen,
To settle a little disagreement between an "honourable" Ransom Taker and I being a Miner, we have decided to enlist the help of the general public.
Let me tell you the situation,
I was mining in the asteroid belts when a Pirate by the name of James 315 approached me in my Orca and started to attack my ship. Naturally, He opened a channel of communication and demanded the ransom amount of 90million ISK per ship. I, of course, decided to pay him because I didn't feel like losing over 900mil worth of mining assets. So I payed him the 90million ISK BUT I accidently put an extra 0 into the figure giving him 900m instead of the agreed amount.
So, I told him this, and he continued to destroying my ship and I ended up losing my Orca, Hulk and my Implants. Valued at over 2.3b. He said that I didn't give him the correct amount thus allowing him to destroy my ship and everything i had in it.
We then took this to a station where we continued to discuss this issue and he and I both agreed that we should see what other players think.
What are your thoughts on the situation? Do you believe he should reimburse me the 2.12b minus the ransom which of course i had every intention of paying or do you believe that i should suck it up and accept that I lost 2.12b over a typo? |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:11:00 -
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Posting in an alt thread.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Torneach
Emrys Enterprises
75
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:11:00 -
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Killmail or it didn't happen. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
193
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:12:00 -
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I think you should expect to suck up the loss of 2.12 b over a typo. James315 is never going to give it back anyway, and 99% of the people here are going to say you should suck it up. Me, I'd give it back and probably honor the ransom. 
Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Xander Riggs
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:12:00 -
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Why would he give you the money back? Even if you pay him, he's not obligated to not blow you up.
Pirates gonna pirate.
"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:13:00 -
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Edward Khurelem wrote:So! Ladies and Gentlemen,
To settle a little disagreement between an "honourable" Ransom Taker and I being a Miner, we have decided to enlist the help of the general public.
Let me tell you the situation,
I was mining in the asteroid belts when a Pirate by the name of James 315 approached me in my Orca and started to attack my ship. Naturally, He opened a channel of communication and demanded the ransom amount of 90million ISK per ship. I, of course, decided to pay him because I didn't feel like losing over 900mil worth of mining assets. So I payed him the 90million ISK BUT I accidently put an extra 0 into the figure giving him 900m instead of the agreed amount.
So, I told him this, and he continued to destroying my ship and I ended up losing my Orca, Hulk and my Implants. Valued at over 2.3b. He said that I didn't give him the correct amount thus allowing him to destroy my ship and everything i had in it.
We then took this to a station where we continued to discuss this issue and he and I both agreed that we should see what other players think.
What are your thoughts on the situation? Do you believe he should reimburse me the 2.12b minus the ransom which of course i had every intention of paying or do you believe that i should suck it up and accept that I lost 2.12b over a typo?
Sorry to say but you pretty much got what you deserved. If you were out dual boxing, during Hulkageddon with an Orca and a Hulk, and no protection then you deserved what you got. As for not checking the amount you were paying him, that is also your own fault. Perhaps next time you will be more cautious. |
James 315
paperclip mansion
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:16:00 -
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I am the pirate referred to in the OP, and I am posting this to confirm that the story occurred as Edward Khurelem described it. He is not my alt; this incident just occurred and as soon as the eve-kill.net auto-posts the API-verified killmail I will edit this reply and provide a link (if permitted).
Edward and I both decided it would be best to allow the bright minds of Eve-O to mediate this matter. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:17:00 -
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At least take the effort to change your damn writing style.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:17:00 -
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this wouldn't have happened if you had purchased a Hulkageddon Mining Permit to protect your assets
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Xander Riggs
EVE University
Ivy League
203
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:18:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I am the pirate referred to in the OP, and I am posting this to confirm that the story occurred as Edward Khurelem described it. He is not my alt; this incident just occurred and as soon as the eve-kill.net auto-posts the API-verified killmail I will edit this reply and provide a link (if permitted).
Edward and I both decided it would be best to allow the bright minds of Eve-O to mediate this matter.
You're a pirate, son. Act like it. Take what you can, give nothin' back, right?
"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:19:00 -
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You over-payed the random and still died. And you expect him to change his mind after humiliating yourself on GD telling everyone how you screwed up AND expect any empathy from GD at all to begin with? Fake post from a alt character. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
193
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:20:00 -
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*waits for the killmail* 
...what I meant to add in my last post but sort of inferred, was that James315 knows the great minds of EVE-O are going to side with him, percentage-wise anyway. Which is to say, you're sol.
Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Edward Khurelem
Zero Eccentricity
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:20:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:You over-payed the random and still died. And you expect him to change his mind after humiliating yourself on GD telling everyone how you screwed up AND expect any empathy from GD at all to begin with? Fake post from a alt character.
I am not his alt, frankly that is insulting. I would never sink as low to become a pirate
Oh and I am not humilited. I am rich :) I know that if I undock from a station who knows what will happen. Golden Rule of eve. Never undock if you aren't afraid of losing it |
Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:22:00 -
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Paid*
F*&%ing A^%hole |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4237
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:23:00 -
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Edward Khurelem wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:You over-payed the random and still died. And you expect him to change his mind after humiliating yourself on GD telling everyone how you screwed up AND expect any empathy from GD at all to begin with? Fake post from a alt character. I am not his alt, frankly that is insulting. I would never sink as low to become a pirate Oh and I am not humilited. I am rich :) I know that if I undock from a station who knows what will happen. Golden Rule of eve. Never undock if you aren't afraid of losing it
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=561860&page=1#2
know who you're talking to son
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Pres Crendraven
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:24:00 -
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Belongs in C and P
Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:26:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:*waits for the killmail*
Personally, I'd be more interested in a screenshot of the transaction logs with timestamps visible after an APi verified KM is posted.
This reeks of alt, due to the identical writing style, the first post on that char, the lack of butthurt, and the name drop in the first post.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Edward Khurelem
Zero Eccentricity
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:29:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Mars Theran wrote:*waits for the killmail* Personally, I'd be more interested in a screenshot of the transaction logs with timestamps visible after an API verified KM is posted. This reeks of alt, due to the identical writing style, the first post on that char, the lack of butthurt, and the name drop in the first post.
Why would I be butt hurt haha? Honestly! I thought EVE was for more mature people and if you want a screen shot i'll give you one
Oh and the fact that this is my first post on EVE forums, is because I don't value other peoples opinions as much as I value my own |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
360
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:32:00 -
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Edward Khurelem wrote: I thought EVE was for more mature people
Someone once said miners are the most disconnected players from the actual game. This perhaps proves it. |
Edward Khurelem
Zero Eccentricity
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:34:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Edward Khurelem wrote: I thought EVE was for more mature people Someone once said miners are the most disconnected players from the actual game. This perhaps proves it.
Perhaps |
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James 315
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1636
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:36:00 -
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Killmails have been posted and are API verified.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13342824 |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:36:00 -
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Edward Khurelem wrote:
Oh and the fact that this is my first post on EVE forums, is because I don't value other peoples opinions as much as I value my own
Really? Then what the **** are you doing?
Not many people here care, you chose to share. You clearly do value them.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Edward Khurelem
Zero Eccentricity
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:39:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Edward Khurelem wrote:
Oh and the fact that this is my first post on EVE forums, is because I don't value other peoples opinions as much as I value my own
Really? Then what the **** are you doing?Not many people here care, you chose to share. You clearly do value them.
It was James idea, I left it up to him. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
360
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:42:00 -
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So locked up in a .5, at war then? Checking... yes. SO, mining during war with no escort? Take him for everything he has because that was dumb. And such slip-ups deserved to be taught by death. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1636
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:46:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Mars Theran wrote:*waits for the killmail* Personally, I'd be more interested in a screenshot of the transaction logs with timestamps visible after an API verified KM is posted. This reeks of alt, due to the identical writing style, the first post on that char, the lack of butthurt, and the name drop in the first post.
Screenshot, per your request:
http://i.imgur.com/BXfMk.png
(Most of my isk is still kept on my Currin Trading character rather than my main, so as to avoid accidentally transferring billions when I don't intend.) |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena
Star Council
416
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:48:00 -
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Andski wrote:Edward Khurelem wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:You over-payed the random and still died. And you expect him to change his mind after humiliating yourself on GD telling everyone how you screwed up AND expect any empathy from GD at all to begin with? Fake post from a alt character. I am not his alt, frankly that is insulting. I would never sink as low to become a pirate Oh and I am not humilited. I am rich :) I know that if I undock from a station who knows what will happen. Golden Rule of eve. Never undock if you aren't afraid of losing it http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=561860&page=1#2know who you're talking to son
Good read, Andski. About a year before I started playing, but kinda neat to be able to check out that little time capsule.
Pity about BoB, huh. 
"If." |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:51:00 -
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Never pay Ransoms.
Never fly what you can't afford to lose.
Additionally he killed you in highsec.. which means either you stole, or there was a wardec.. I'm gonna assume the latter. Which just makes you an idiot for having a Orca undocked during a wardec. |
Pres Crendraven
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:52:00 -
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James should have honored the ransom. Now he owes you your ships AND the extra money you paid him. If he hadn't blown you up and you were here complaining about your extra zero I would side with James and say the whole 900 was his. If you make a mistake while your nervous in this game, thats how you lose. But As it sits, James let his own nerves and excitement rule him. If he would have kept his cool he would have made the right choice. Anybody can make a mistake in the heat of battle. far less can make it right.
Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:59:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13342824
So.. after seeing the kill. That Orca deserved to die.
1mn AB.. and 2 Survey Scanners.. I.. I donno... |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation
Deadly Unknown
124
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Posted - 2012.05.12 03:02:00 -
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This has to be the worst OP ever. On the entire internet.
Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
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