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Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
120
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Posted - 2012.05.12 03:09:00 -
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Edward Khurelem wrote: He said that I didn't give him the correct amount thus allowing him to destroy my ship and everything i had in it.
I peed a little. I also read this out loud to my vent, and they all peed on their mics.
We have a blog, it is terrible. How to fix Bounty Hunting |

Unit757
North Point Cannabis Legionis
2
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Posted - 2012.05.12 03:19:00 -
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You were mining during a war, and expect somebody NOT to kill you? Are we playing the same game?
Props to James for getting a little isk on the side, I'd have just mauled everything on site, without a convo.
Edit - just looked at the kills... WTF? 2 ships, 1 pilot..... I strongly advise you strategically place your cursor over the biomass button and press it repeatedly... |

Kirith Vespira
26
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Posted - 2012.05.12 03:24:00 -
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This smells like complete and utter boolshite... |

Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx Luna Sanguinem
77
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Posted - 2012.05.12 03:35:00 -
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Edward Khurelem wrote:So! Ladies and Gentlemen,
To settle a little disagreement between an "honourable" Ransom Taker and I being a Miner, we have decided to enlist the help of the general public.
Let me tell you the situation,
I was mining in the asteroid belts when a Pirate by the name of James 315 approached me in my Orca and started to attack my ship. Naturally, He opened a channel of communication and demanded the ransom amount of 90million ISK per ship. I, of course, decided to pay him because I didn't feel like losing over 900mil worth of mining assets. So I payed him the 90million ISK BUT I accidently put an extra 0 into the figure giving him 900m instead of the agreed amount.
So, I told him this, and he continued to destroying my ship and I ended up losing my Orca, Hulk and my Implants. Valued at over 2.3b. He said that I didn't give him the correct amount thus allowing him to destroy my ship and everything i had in it.
We then took this to a station where we continued to discuss this issue and he and I both agreed that we should see what other players think.
What are your thoughts on the situation? Do you believe he should reimburse me the 2.12b minus the ransom which of course i had every intention of paying or do you believe that i should suck it up and accept that I lost 2.12b over a typo?
I believe you should've paid him the correct ammount of isk.
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
935
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Posted - 2012.05.12 03:39:00 -
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The way it works is James never had any intention of honoring that ransom. No matter how much or how little. Many years ago, ransoms were honored and such. It was The Code if you will. But after a while, a ton of **** players decided, "I want to be an ebil piwat and be bad too... derpity hurr hurr!!"
Thus in one swift stroke, those bads entered the profession and decided not to honor ransoms to go for MAXIMUM PROFIT and threw the games cold dark ways in front of them to shield them from the ridicule on the forums. And for even more self tugging experiences, they have the victims post on the same forums so they can sit back and lol all night long.
As a matter of fact, these days the community views players who in fact DO honor ransoms as the bad guys and the bads who ruined the profession as today's heroes. I guess all we can do about your situation is say welcome to today's EVE and the old EVE has all but vanished.
My advise is next time when he opens the convo box, simply say, "**** off and die. lol" when he asks for a ransom. Or better yet do not mine at all. With today's EVE, the community mostly views miners as the bad guys and even as far as blame them for everything wrong with this game. Go figure. 
I wish you better luck with your future endeavors and don't let anyone convince you they are a pirate. Pirates died in this game a long time ago, in a galaxy very, very different...
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Edward Khurelem
Zero Eccentricity
1
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Posted - 2012.05.12 04:15:00 -
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I knew he had no intention of paying it all back, nor did I believe that this had any real purpose other than to confirm what I already knew.
I am not going to cry over the fact that I made several huge mistakes in which I ended up losing a small chunk of my money.
Such is life.
All I have to say. |

Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
421
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Posted - 2012.05.12 04:35:00 -
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This sounds like one of the best adventures to ever occur! -jealous- Ferox #1 |

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
202
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Posted - 2012.05.12 05:32:00 -
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So the going rate of e-fame has gone up.
Terrible thread, terrible OP, terrible cry for attention.
Marlona Sky wrote:The way it works is James never had any intention of honoring that ransom. No matter how much or how little. Many years ago, ransoms were honored and such. It was The Code if you will. But after a while, a ton of **** players decided, "I want to be an ebil piwat and be bad too... derpity hurr hurr!!" Thus in one swift stroke, those bads entered the profession and decided not to honor ransoms to go for MAXIMUM PROFIT and threw the games cold dark ways in front of them to shield them from the ridicule on the forums. And for even more self tugging experiences, they have the victims post on the same forums so they can sit back and lol all night long. As a matter of fact, these days the community views players who in fact DO honor ransoms as the bad guys and the bads who ruined the profession as today's heroes. I guess all we can do about your situation is say welcome to today's EVE and the old EVE has all but vanished. My advise is next time when he opens the convo box, simply say, " **** off and die. lol" when he asks for a ransom. Or better yet do not mine at all. With today's EVE, the community mostly views miners as the bad guys and even as far as blame them for everything wrong with this game. Go figure.  I wish you better luck with your future endeavors and don't let anyone convince you they are a pirate. Pirates died in this game a long time ago, in a galaxy very, very different...
Marlona, he totally showed you up by killing his alt's Orca.
Write some paragraphs about that |

Horus Ernaga
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.12 06:00:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:The way it works is James never had any intention of honoring that ransom. No matter how much or how little. Many years ago, ransoms were honored and such. It was The Code if you will. But after a while, a ton of **** players decided, "I want to be an ebil piwat and be bad too... derpity hurr hurr!!" Thus in one swift stroke, those bads entered the profession and decided not to honor ransoms to go for MAXIMUM PROFIT and threw the games cold dark ways in front of them to shield them from the ridicule on the forums. And for even more self tugging experiences, they have the victims post on the same forums so they can sit back and lol all night long. As a matter of fact, these days the community views players who in fact DO honor ransoms as the bad guys and the bads who ruined the profession as today's heroes. I guess all we can do about your situation is say welcome to today's EVE and the old EVE has all but vanished. My advise is next time when he opens the convo box, simply say, " **** off and die. lol" when he asks for a ransom. Or better yet do not mine at all. With today's EVE, the community mostly views miners as the bad guys and even as far as blame them for everything wrong with this game. Go figure.  I wish you better luck with your future endeavors and don't let anyone convince you they are a pirate. Pirates died in this game a long time ago, in a galaxy very, very different...
Your absolutely right. It seems it is not just Eve though. It is online gamers in general going south. Say what you people will, but ganking, greifing and dishonorable conduct used to be far less prevalent across the board. I had been hoping this had not reached Eve. |

Edward Khurelem
Zero Eccentricity
1
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Posted - 2012.05.12 06:08:00 -
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Patient 2428190 wrote:So the going rate of e-fame has gone up.
Terrible thread, terrible OP, terrible cry for attention.
Who excatly is crying for attention here? |
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Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
429
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Posted - 2012.05.12 06:16:00 -
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Horus Ernaga wrote:
Your absolutely right. It seems it is not just Eve though. It is online gamers in general going south. Say what you people will, but ganking, greifing and dishonorable conduct used to be far less prevalent across the board. I had been hoping this had not reached Eve.
What the. You mean not spread from EVE?
Besides c: why is interacting with players bad. The game is for fun and the best fun in EVE is a reaction. You cannot blame people for getting the easy reactions - the negative ones. You can't have your cake and eat it too! Fun for fun's sake and adventure as much as you want in any way you want.
Ferox #1 |

Daneirkus Auralex
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
95
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Posted - 2012.05.12 07:39:00 -
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hahaha i cant believe you actually created this thread at James' suggestion |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
677
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Posted - 2012.05.12 08:45:00 -
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OP help me out here
You were mining in a 0.5 system. Your attacker is in an NPC corp so there could not have been any war.
how did he kill an Orca and a hulk without Concord intervention?
Also why the hulk and Orca hang around while the killing was happening
This sounds very strange
Disclaimer ive just woken up I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

Horus Ernaga
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.12 08:46:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:Horus Ernaga wrote:
Your absolutely right. It seems it is not just Eve though. It is online gamers in general going south. Say what you people will, but ganking, greifing and dishonorable conduct used to be far less prevalent across the board. I had been hoping this had not reached Eve.
What the. You mean not spread from EVE? Besides c: why is interacting with players bad. The game is for fun and the best fun in EVE is a reaction. You cannot blame people for getting the easy reactions - the negative ones. You can't have your cake and eat it too! Fun for fun's sake and adventure as much as you want in any way you want.
Is it really fun to be talked to in a abusive manner? There has always been an amount of smack talk sure, but it wasn't like I see today. Mostly it was "Wow your really bad" or "You suck". How about paying a ransom only to be killed anyway? Losing not only your ship, but your pod as well for no reason (So called pirate ganks and pods miner)? Wardecs with no rhyme or reason? Once used to extort ISK now used just because.
I get a little sick in my stomach when seeing people raving about "enjoying the tears", it's sad honestly. Now comes the part where you jump on me about how I must of lost a ship do to some gankers right? I have never in my 5 years of playing Eve lost a single ship to anything. I have ran a 0.0 corporation and been part of others, so it's not from a lack of danger. No you don't get my API either.
That my friend is why interacting with people has become bad in my opinion. I left my corporation of several years because they to decided ganking and podding anyone and everyone was acceptable. |

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
34
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Posted - 2012.05.12 08:47:00 -
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Edward, your losses are entirely your responsibility. Suck it up and learn from it.
As to whether James is honorable or not, well everyone has their price, and for James that was 900m isk, juicy killmails, and this lol thread. |

Edward Khurelem
Zero Eccentricity
3
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Posted - 2012.05.12 08:50:00 -
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Horus Ernaga wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:Horus Ernaga wrote:
Your absolutely right. It seems it is not just Eve though. It is online gamers in general going south. Say what you people will, but ganking, greifing and dishonorable conduct used to be far less prevalent across the board. I had been hoping this had not reached Eve.
What the. You mean not spread from EVE? Besides c: why is interacting with players bad. The game is for fun and the best fun in EVE is a reaction. You cannot blame people for getting the easy reactions - the negative ones. You can't have your cake and eat it too! Fun for fun's sake and adventure as much as you want in any way you want. Is it really fun to be talked to in a abusive manner? There has always been an amount of smack talk sure, but it wasn't like I see today. Mostly it was "Wow your really bad" or "You suck". How about paying a ransom only to be killed anyway? Losing not only your ship, but your pod as well for no reason (So called pirate ganks and pods miner)? Wardecs with no rhyme or reason? Once used to extort ISK now used just because. I get a little sick in my stomach when seeing people raving about "enjoying the tears", it's sad honestly. Now comes the part where you jump on me about how I must of lost a ship do to some gankers right? I have never in my 5 years of playing Eve lost a single ship to anything. I have ran a 0.0 corporation and been part of others, so it's not from a lack of danger. No you don't get my API either. That my friend is why interacting with people has become bad in my opinion. I left my corporation of several years because they to decided ganking and podding anyone and everyone was acceptable.
Couldn't agree more
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Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
188
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Posted - 2012.05.12 08:55:00 -
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- Leaving ANYTHING unboarded in space is asking for it.
- You're an idiot for not paying attention DURING HULKAGEDDON.
- NEVER EVER EVER PAY RANSOMS. It only encourages further behaviour, and they have no responsibility to honour it. You're only taking their word for it that they will. The word of someone who has already attacked you.
- In conclusion, you're a senseless noob who deserved to lose over a billion in assets by risking it with that guy around in the first place. |

DF3CT
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 08:55:00 -
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So you paid him more by accident and he used that as an excuse to gank you? Sounds like a mental invalid to me.
I'm sure this thread has many posts loling at you, but honestly.....if this guy is going to pay the ransom game "honestly" he needs to stick by his word. Obviously his word isn't anything and is a simple liar/scammer.
What a tool.
If he gets a rep for not being true to the ransom, people will stop doing it and he's out income.
Short sighted.....tool. |

Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.05.12 09:05:00 -
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How to deal with a ransom request:
1. right click > initiate self-destruct 2. type something witty into local 3. go and get some coffee
(Ah, don't fly anything you cannot afford to loose.) |

Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
132
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Posted - 2012.05.12 10:36:00 -
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Noob less 101. Never pay ransoms it only encourages them most will kill you anyway. |
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R0me0 Charl1e
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.12 10:46:00 -
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My opinion on this matter is that James 315 should use the 900mil ISK and spend it on hookers and blow as a celebration for a job well done. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
500
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Posted - 2012.05.12 11:05:00 -
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Edward Khurelem wrote:
What are your thoughts on the situation?
I really don't care, and the fact that you post this here to waste our time only makes me angry. Learn to type and HTFU.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
500
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Posted - 2012.05.12 11:08:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:- Leaving ANYTHING unboarded in space is asking for it.
- You're an idiot for not paying attention DURING HULKAGEDDON.
- NEVER EVER EVER PAY RANSOMS. It only encourages further behaviour, and they have no responsibility to honour it. You're only taking their word for it that they will. The word of someone who has already attacked you.
- In conclusion, you're a senseless noob who deserved to lose over a billion in assets by risking it with that guy around in the first place.
Not only that, but the "he started attacking my Orca and mining ships" part leads me to wonder where Concord was in all this. Surely OP isn't dumb enough to take an Orca to a belt in low sec. And if there was no Concord retaliation, then this is just a butt-hurt carebear who lost 2.whatever billion isk worth of assets to defend a cargo container worth of rocks. Well done. |

Edward Khurelem
Zero Eccentricity
3
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Posted - 2012.05.12 11:11:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:- Leaving ANYTHING unboarded in space is asking for it.
- You're an idiot for not paying attention DURING HULKAGEDDON.
- NEVER EVER EVER PAY RANSOMS. It only encourages further behaviour, and they have no responsibility to honour it. You're only taking their word for it that they will. The word of someone who has already attacked you.
- In conclusion, you're a senseless noob who deserved to lose over a billion in assets by risking it with that guy around in the first place. Not only that, but the "he started attacking my Orca and mining ships" part leads me to wonder where Concord was in all this. Surely OP isn't dumb enough to take an Orca to a belt in low sec. And if there was no Concord retaliation, then this is just a butt-hurt carebear who lost 2.whatever billion isk worth of assets to defend a cargo container worth of rocks. Well done.
Hhaha ... Do you see any butt-hurt in my comments? |

Prt Scr
569th Freelancers Eternal Evocations
12
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Posted - 2012.05.12 11:12:00 -
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Rule 1 in eve, never fly whats you cant afford to loose, rule2, never pay ramsoms, when a ransom is demanded either shoot back or reply LOL |

flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
254
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Posted - 2012.05.12 11:22:00 -
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Edward Khurelem wrote: Golden Rule of eve. Never undock if you aren't afraid of losing it
Uhm , that's not the right line ...  |

Caerno
Caeye Assault Technologies Solar Assault Fleet
2
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Posted - 2012.05.12 11:36:00 -
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Question For the OP:
What did you do to enable the other guy to ransom you? You were in a 0.5 system! Therefore he can not attack you without concord turning up to blow him up!
My Thoughts are that you are a terrible miner and were actually using a jet-can to transfer from hulk to orca! The other guy managed to steal your can without you noticing and then when you took from that can you were flagged as a can-flipper. Therefore he could then shoot you without concord turning up!
You are an IDIOT, You deserve to lose everything, You do NOT know how EvE works!
But much respect to the guy asking the ransom then killing you, you deserved it. |

Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens
280
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Posted - 2012.05.12 11:41:00 -
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Meh, there is (or at the very least ought to be) honor even amongst pirates, HOWEVER;
Obviously he succumbed to his own greed when he noticed that you have sent 10x more than you should've.
Would you have done any different? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
3417
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Posted - 2012.05.12 11:52:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I am the pirate referred to in the OP, and I am posting this to confirm that the story occurred as Edward Khurelem described it. He is not my alt; this incident just occurred and as soon as the eve-kill.net auto-posts the API-verified killmail I will edit this reply and provide a link (if permitted). Edward and I both decided it would be best to allow the bright minds of Eve-O to mediate this matter. EDIT: The killmails have been posted by API to eve-kill.net, here's the link of the relevant battle (Edward was swapping between an Orca and Hulk, which were both destroyed, along with his capsule): http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13342824 Technically, you're right, he didn't pay the right sum - but he overpaying and you use that as an excuse only makes you look greedy and tbh I wouldn't pay you based on the fact that you would dishonor the ransom unless the value is exact set amount (even if overpay).
So imo I'd refund, that would also make you come across as more honorable to the ransoms in the future.
/c
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
375
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Posted - 2012.05.12 12:54:00 -
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A lot of people are missing "little" details. -He was at war. -He lost both ship with one account: useing orca as a can and would jump in when people showed up is the only explanation. -Obviously not watching local while doing such a manuver. -Both ships are horribly fit. -In a .5 during hulkageddon as well. -Couldnt even escape in a pod with one target. |
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