So! Ladies and Gentlemen,

To settle a little disagreement between an "honourable" Ransom Taker and I being a Miner, we have decided to enlist the help of the general public.

Let me tell you the situation,

I was mining in the asteroid belts when a Pirate by the name of James 315 approached me in my Orca and started to attack my ship. Naturally, He opened a channel of communication and demanded the ransom amount of 90million ISK per ship. I, of course, decided to pay him because I didn't feel like losing over 900mil worth of mining assets. So I payed him the 90million ISK BUT I accidently put an extra 0 into the figure giving him 900m instead of the agreed amount.

So, I told him this, and he continued to destroying my ship and I ended up losing my Orca, Hulk and my Implants. Valued at over 2.3b. He said that I didn't give him the correct amount thus allowing him to destroy my ship and everything i had in it.

We then took this to a station where we continued to discuss this issue and he and I both agreed that we should see what other players think.

What are your thoughts on the situation? Do you believe he should reimburse me the 2.12b minus the ransom which of course i had every intention of paying or do you believe that i should suck it up and accept that I lost 2.12b over a typo?

I am the pirate referred to in the OP, and I am posting this to confirm that the story occurred as Edward Khurelem described it. He is not my alt; this incident just occurred and as soon as the eve-kill.net auto-posts the API-verified killmail I will edit this reply and provide a link (if permitted).

Edward and I both decided it would be best to allow the bright minds of Eve-O to mediate this matter.

You over-payed the random and still died. And you expect him to change his mind after humiliating yourself on GD telling everyone how you screwed up AND expect any empathy from GD at all to begin with? Fake post from a alt character.

I am not his alt, frankly that is insulting. I would never sink as low to become a pirate

Oh and I am not humilited. I am rich :) I know that if I undock from a station who knows what will happen. Golden Rule of eve. Never undock if you aren't afraid of losing it

*waits for the killmail*

Personally, I'd be more interested in a screenshot of the transaction logs with timestamps visible after an API verified KM is posted.

This reeks of alt, due to the identical writing style, the first post on that char, the lack of butthurt, and the name drop in the first post.

I thought EVE was for more mature people

Someone once said miners are the most disconnected players from the actual game. This perhaps proves it.

Oh and the fact that this is my first post on EVE forums, is because I don't value other peoples opinions as much as I value my own

Really? Then what the **** are you doing?

Not many people here care, you chose to share. You clearly do value them.

Killmails have been posted and are API verified.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13342824

Personally, I'd be more interested in a screenshot of the transaction logs with timestamps visible after an API verified KM is posted.

This reeks of alt, due to the identical writing style, the first post on that char, the lack of butthurt, and the name drop in the first post.

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=561860&page=1#2

know who you're talking to son

He said that I didn't give him the correct amount thus allowing him to destroy my ship and everything i had in it.

So! Ladies and Gentlemen,

To settle a little disagreement between an "honourable" Ransom Taker and I being a Miner, we have decided to enlist the help of the general public.

Let me tell you the situation,

I was mining in the asteroid belts when a Pirate by the name of James 315 approached me in my Orca and started to attack my ship. Naturally, He opened a channel of communication and demanded the ransom amount of 90million ISK per ship. I, of course, decided to pay him because I didn't feel like losing over 900mil worth of mining assets. So I payed him the 90million ISK BUT I accidently put an extra 0 into the figure giving him 900m instead of the agreed amount.

So, I told him this, and he continued to destroying my ship and I ended up losing my Orca, Hulk and my Implants. Valued at over 2.3b. He said that I didn't give him the correct amount thus allowing him to destroy my ship and everything i had in it.

We then took this to a station where we continued to discuss this issue and he and I both agreed that we should see what other players think.

What are your thoughts on the situation? Do you believe he should reimburse me the 2.12b minus the ransom which of course i had every intention of paying or do you believe that i should suck it up and accept that I lost 2.12b over a typo?

The way it works is James never had any intention of honoring that ransom. No matter how much or how little. Many years ago, ransoms were honored and such. It was The Code if you will. But after a while, a ton of **** players decided, "I want to be an ebil piwat and be bad too... derpity hurr hurr!!"

Thus in one swift stroke, those bads entered the profession and decided not to honor ransoms to go for MAXIMUM PROFIT and threw the games cold dark ways in front of them to shield them from the ridicule on the forums. And for even more self tugging experiences, they have the victims post on the same forums so they can sit back and lol all night long.

As a matter of fact, these days the community views players who in fact DO honor ransoms as the bad guys and the bads who ruined the profession as today's heroes. I guess all we can do about your situation is say welcome to today's EVE and the old EVE has all but vanished.

My advise is next time when he opens the convo box, simply say, "**** off and die. lol" when he asks for a ransom. Or better yet do not mine at all. With today's EVE, the community mostly views miners as the bad guys and even as far as blame them for everything wrong with this game. Go figure.

I wish you better luck with your future endeavors and don't let anyone convince you they are a pirate. Pirates died in this game a long time ago, in a galaxy very, very different...

The way it works is James never had any intention of honoring that ransom. No matter how much or how little. Many years ago, ransoms were honored and such. It was The Code if you will. But after a while, a ton of **** players decided, "I want to be an ebil piwat and be bad too... derpity hurr hurr!!"

Thus in one swift stroke, those bads entered the profession and decided not to honor ransoms to go for MAXIMUM PROFIT and threw the games cold dark ways in front of them to shield them from the ridicule on the forums. And for even more self tugging experiences, they have the victims post on the same forums so they can sit back and lol all night long.

As a matter of fact, these days the community views players who in fact DO honor ransoms as the bad guys and the bads who ruined the profession as today's heroes. I guess all we can do about your situation is say welcome to today's EVE and the old EVE has all but vanished.

My advise is next time when he opens the convo box, simply say, "**** off and die. lol" when he asks for a ransom. Or better yet do not mine at all. With today's EVE, the community mostly views miners as the bad guys and even as far as blame them for everything wrong with this game. Go figure.

I wish you better luck with your future endeavors and don't let anyone convince you they are a pirate. Pirates died in this game a long time ago, in a galaxy very, very different...

So the going rate of e-fame has gone up.

Terrible thread, terrible OP, terrible cry for attention.

Your absolutely right. It seems it is not just Eve though. It is online gamers in general going south. Say what you people will, but ganking, greifing and dishonorable conduct used to be far less prevalent across the board. I had been hoping this had not reached Eve.

What the. You mean not spread from EVE?

Besides c: why is interacting with players bad. The game is for fun and the best fun in EVE is a reaction. You cannot blame people for getting the easy reactions - the negative ones. You can't have your cake and eat it too! Fun for fun's sake and adventure as much as you want in any way you want.

Is it really fun to be talked to in a abusive manner? There has always been an amount of smack talk sure, but it wasn't like I see today. Mostly it was "Wow your really bad" or "You suck". How about paying a ransom only to be killed anyway? Losing not only your ship, but your pod as well for no reason (So called pirate ganks and pods miner)? Wardecs with no rhyme or reason? Once used to extort ISK now used just because.

I get a little sick in my stomach when seeing people raving about "enjoying the tears", it's sad honestly. Now comes the part where you jump on me about how I must of lost a ship do to some gankers right? I have never in my 5 years of playing Eve lost a single ship to anything. I have ran a 0.0 corporation and been part of others, so it's not from a lack of danger. No you don't get my API either.

That my friend is why interacting with people has become bad in my opinion. I left my corporation of several years because they to decided ganking and podding anyone and everyone was acceptable.

What are your thoughts on the situation?

- Leaving ANYTHING unboarded in space is asking for it.

- You're an idiot for not paying attention DURING HULKAGEDDON.

- NEVER EVER EVER PAY RANSOMS. It only encourages further behaviour, and they have no responsibility to honour it. You're only taking their word for it that they will. The word of someone who has already attacked you.

- In conclusion, you're a senseless noob who deserved to lose over a billion in assets by risking it with that guy around in the first place.

Not only that, but the "he started attacking my Orca and mining ships" part leads me to wonder where Concord was in all this. Surely OP isn't dumb enough to take an Orca to a belt in low sec. And if there was no Concord retaliation, then this is just a butt-hurt carebear who lost 2.whatever billion isk worth of assets to defend a cargo container worth of rocks. Well done.

Golden Rule of eve. Never undock if you aren't afraid of losing it

I am the pirate referred to in the OP, and I am posting this to confirm that the story occurred as Edward Khurelem described it. He is not my alt; this incident just occurred and as soon as the eve-kill.net auto-posts the API-verified killmail I will edit this reply and provide a link (if permitted).

Edward and I both decided it would be best to allow the bright minds of Eve-O to mediate this matter.

EDIT:

The killmails have been posted by API to eve-kill.net, here's the link of the relevant battle (Edward was swapping between an Orca and Hulk, which were both destroyed, along with his capsule):

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13342824

Pretty sure this is fake. Lost both an Orca and a hulk at exactly the same time on exactly the same day in exactly the same system to an Ishtar packing Ogre IIs. Far too much italics for my liking, but the Ishtar is hardly a gankship, the Orca is hardly easy to gank and nobody can pilot two ships at once. The pod was also killed 10 seconds after them both being popped at the same time, which begs the question - if this isn't fake, why didn't he warp out? Ishtar would take at least 6 seconds to lock a pod...

. As for the pod, it couldn't warp out because I smartbombed it as soon as it appeared--same as all the other pods I've killed lately.

My apologies, I didn't read the podmail. But... where was CONCORD at this point? Orcas are notoriously hard to kill in highsec.

demanded the ransom amount of 90million ISK per ship.

So I payed him the 90million ISK BUT I accidently put an extra 0 into the figure giving him 900m instead of the agreed amount.

I bet the guy might have not even shown as a war target in local... maybe even overview.

Nice try, but I always join corporations in a different system than my target, it's actually a more effective way to ambush. I always appear as a war target on overview/local, and in fact those miners who don't go AFK often try to escape when they see me coming--though they don't usually succeed.

As for my brief employment in some corporations, I find that as a general rule, it's best not to overstay one's welcome. And if highsec miners can corp-hop or dissolve corps to evade war, I can use similar CCP-approved tactics to encourage war. None of this is anything new, by the way--it was described in detail in my Manifesto II, which I encourage you to read.

So let me get this straight, you use resources like battleclinic to find out who is at war with who, then you simply join the corp, go on a mining barge killing spree, then leave the corp, wash, rinse, repeat....clever.

Nice try, but I always join corporations in a different system than my target, it's actually a more effective way to ambush. I always appear as a war target on overview/local, and in fact those miners who don't go AFK often try to escape when they see me coming--though they don't usually succeed.

As for my brief employment in some corporations, I find that as a general rule, it's best not to overstay one's welcome. And if highsec miners can corp-hop or dissolve corps to evade war, I can use similar CCP-approved tactics to encourage war. None of this is anything new, by the way--it was described in detail in my Manifesto II, which I encourage you to read.

Let me add, after seening the guy is a goon... he could have goons making these alt corps and not be using trials...

I aint reading any of your waste of space stuff...

Ya you claim to join in other systems...

You also claim to be a pirate LOL...

You are for sure not one...

Also other poster... no he is not joining corps that are at war look more

EVERY CORP he joined was from the SAME station in the SAME system.

Come on... want the more likely answer?

Trial account > make corp > war dec (no one in corp that matters) > join > kill > redo.

EVERY corp also has two people.

I am pretty sure that using a trial account to do that would be an exploit...

I'm betting ya if CCP looked into this... it would be deemed an exploit.

The CEO's of his ex corps make the corps 10min after getting into the game... COME ON do we REALLY need more?

I mean really tell me the odds of EVERY corp this guy joins... having 1-2 people in it... and being from the SAME station.

Let me add, after seening the guy is a goon... he could have goons making these alt corps and not be using trials...

So! Ladies and Gentlemen,

To settle a little disagreement between an "honourable" Ransom Taker and I being a Miner, we have decided to enlist the help of the general public.

Let me tell you the situation,

I was mining in the asteroid belts when a Pirate by the name of James 315 approached me in my Orca and started to attack my ship. Naturally, He opened a channel of communication and demanded the ransom amount of 90million ISK per ship. I, of course, decided to pay him because I didn't feel like losing over 900mil worth of mining assets. So I payed him the 90million ISK BUT I accidently put an extra 0 into the figure giving him 900m instead of the agreed amount.

So, I told him this, and he continued to destroying my ship and I ended up losing my Orca, Hulk and my Implants. Valued at over 2.3b. He said that I didn't give him the correct amount thus allowing him to destroy my ship and everything i had in it.

We then took this to a station where we continued to discuss this issue and he and I both agreed that we should see what other players think.

What are your thoughts on the situation? Do you believe he should reimburse me the 2.12b minus the ransom which of course i had every intention of paying or do you believe that i should suck it up and accept that I lost 2.12b over a typo?

[He was mining in a hulk, using his orca as a container essentially (I've found this is not uncommon for solo miners).

A lot of people are missing "little" details.
-He was at war.

I peed a little. I also read this out loud to my vent, and they all peed on their mics.

What are your thoughts on the situation? Do you believe he should reimburse me the 2.12b minus the ransom which of course i had every intention of paying or do you believe that i should suck it up and accept that I lost 2.12b over a typo?

this wouldn't have happened if you had purchased a Hulkageddon Mining Permit to protect your assets

IS that existing? seriously?
BTW, is there any mafia corp or alliance in eve?