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ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
680
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Posted - 2012.05.12 13:00:00 -
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Pretty sure this is fake. Lost both an Orca and a hulk at exactly the same time on exactly the same day in exactly the same system to an Ishtar packing Ogre IIs. Far too much italics for my liking, but the Ishtar is hardly a gankship, the Orca is hardly easy to gank and nobody can pilot two ships at once. The pod was also killed 10 seconds after them both being popped at the same time, which begs the question - if this isn't fake, why didn't he warp out? Ishtar would take at least 6 seconds to lock a pod... CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |

James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1642
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Posted - 2012.05.12 15:06:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Pretty sure this is fake. Lost both an Orca and a hulk at exactly the same time on exactly the same day in exactly the same system to an Ishtar packing Ogre IIs. Far too much italics for my liking, but the Ishtar is hardly a gankship, the Orca is hardly easy to gank and nobody can pilot two ships at once. The pod was also killed 10 seconds after them both being popped at the same time, which begs the question - if this isn't fake, why didn't he warp out? Ishtar would take at least 6 seconds to lock a pod... He was mining in a hulk, using his orca as a container essentially (I've found this is not uncommon for solo miners). I scrambled both ships and killed the hulk after popping the orca. As for the pod, it couldn't warp out because I smartbombed it as soon as it appeared--same as all the other pods I've killed lately.
For those who assume I am going to automatically dishonour the ransom no matter what, you underestimate my honour and fair play. I am still in the process of deciding how to proceed, and I am paying close attention to the arguments made on both sides. Basically it's going to come down to one of the following options:
1. Keep everything, pay Edward nothing. 2. Return the excess ransom (900m - 180m). 3. Return the excess ransom and reimburse Edward for the value of the ships that should have been let go.
It's up in the air at this point. |

ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
681
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Posted - 2012.05.12 15:44:00 -
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James 315 wrote:. As for the pod, it couldn't warp out because I smartbombed it as soon as it appeared--same as all the other pods I've killed lately.
My apologies, I didn't read the podmail. But... where was CONCORD at this point? Orcas are notoriously hard to kill in highsec. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |

James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1642
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Posted - 2012.05.12 15:54:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:James 315 wrote:. As for the pod, it couldn't warp out because I smartbombed it as soon as it appeared--same as all the other pods I've killed lately. My apologies, I didn't read the podmail. But... where was CONCORD at this point? Orcas are notoriously hard to kill in highsec. Wardec. |

Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
34
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Posted - 2012.05.12 16:19:00 -
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Return the excess ransom and reimburse Edward for the value of the ships that should have been let go.
Then Edward should send the entire amount to me and I'll send 2 x back.
OR
Give the entire amount (excess ransom and ship/implant vale) to me and I'll divide it fairly among those who I think deserve it. |

wicked cheese
Imperial Research Inovations
1
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Posted - 2012.05.12 16:21:00 -
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Edward Khurelem wrote: demanded the ransom amount of 90million ISK per ship.
So I payed him the 90million ISK BUT I accidently put an extra 0 into the figure giving him 900m instead of the agreed amount.
2 ships at 90mil per ship would be a 180mil ransom. had you paid the amount you tried to he could have still killed you for underpayment or atleast choose one ship to pop.
i have to admit this is the first time ive ever heard of ransoming a war target i dont think he was gonna let ya go |

adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.05.12 17:56:00 -
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Okay guys CONTEST
What was the worst lose
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11740311
3billion isk shuttle?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13342824
HS Fail fit orca?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13342822
HS Fail fit hulk?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13342823
666million isk pod lost in HS to an ishtar with a SB?
The whole idea of this thread is dumb.
Last time I checked, you do not quit your job if you get paied more than you expected. You do not keep a person items if they give you a tip for repairing it... (extra)
Whole thread is for attention whoring...
Anyone who would honor a rasom would have at the worst kept the extra... (other guys screw up) and left the guy alone... Not killed him because it was too much rofl.
That being said... james is no pirate... he is nothing but a HS greifer...
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13091635 check out his fitting... and just kills while on eve kill all HS.
The guys almost never in anything under a .7 rofl.
Now guys also check his employment history
He was in paperclip mansion for are you ready?
8 min
Yes 8 MIN...
Smells like exploiting to me...
The corp before that he was in for 10min...
Corp be4 that... 11 min
12min...
10...
I bet the guy might have not even shown as a war target in local... maybe even overview. |

James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1644
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:14:00 -
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adam smash wrote:I bet the guy might have not even shown as a war target in local... maybe even overview. Nice try, but I always join corporations in a different system than my target, it's actually a more effective way to ambush. I always appear as a war target on overview/local, and in fact those miners who don't go AFK often try to escape when they see me coming--though they don't usually succeed.
As for my brief employment in some corporations, I find that as a general rule, it's best not to overstay one's welcome. And if highsec miners can corp-hop or dissolve corps to evade war, I can use similar CCP-approved tactics to encourage war. None of this is anything new, by the way--it was described in detail in my Manifesto II, which I encourage you to read. |

Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
216
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:19:00 -
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James 315 wrote:adam smash wrote:I bet the guy might have not even shown as a war target in local... maybe even overview. Nice try, but I always join corporations in a different system than my target, it's actually a more effective way to ambush. I always appear as a war target on overview/local, and in fact those miners who don't go AFK often try to escape when they see me coming--though they don't usually succeed. As for my brief employment in some corporations, I find that as a general rule, it's best not to overstay one's welcome. And if highsec miners can corp-hop or dissolve corps to evade war, I can use similar CCP-approved tactics to encourage war. None of this is anything new, by the way--it was described in detail in my Manifesto II, which I encourage you to read.
So let me get this straight, you use resources like battleclinic to find out who is at war with who, then you simply join the corp, go on a mining barge killing spree, then leave the corp, wash, rinse, repeat....clever.
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1644
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:33:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:So let me get this straight, you use resources like battleclinic to find out who is at war with who, then you simply join the corp, go on a mining barge killing spree, then leave the corp, wash, rinse, repeat....clever. Well not really clever, corp-hopping as a war tactic is older than dirt, but I appreciate the compliment  |
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adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:36:00 -
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James 315 wrote:adam smash wrote:I bet the guy might have not even shown as a war target in local... maybe even overview. Nice try, but I always join corporations in a different system than my target, it's actually a more effective way to ambush. I always appear as a war target on overview/local, and in fact those miners who don't go AFK often try to escape when they see me coming--though they don't usually succeed. As for my brief employment in some corporations, I find that as a general rule, it's best not to overstay one's welcome. And if highsec miners can corp-hop or dissolve corps to evade war, I can use similar CCP-approved tactics to encourage war. None of this is anything new, by the way--it was described in detail in my Manifesto II, which I encourage you to read.
I aint reading any of your waste of space stuff...
Ya you claim to join in other systems...
You also claim to be a pirate LOL...
You are for sure not one...
Also other poster... no he is not joining corps that are at war look more
EVERY CORP he joined was from the SAME station in the SAME system.
Come on... want the more likely answer?
Trial account > make corp > war dec (no one in corp that matters) > join > kill > redo.
EVERY corp also has two people.
I am pretty sure that using a trial account to do that would be an exploit...
I'm betting ya if CCP looked into this... it would be deemed an exploit.
The CEO's of his ex corps make the corps 10min after getting into the game... COME ON do we REALLY need more?
I mean really tell me the odds of EVERY corp this guy joins... having 1-2 people in it... and being from the SAME station.
Let me add, after seening the guy is a goon... he could have goons making these alt corps and not be using trials... |

James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1644
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:42:00 -
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adam smash wrote:Let me add, after seening the guy is a goon... he could have goons making these alt corps and not be using trials... Oh I see, you're another anti-Goon poster. Now it all makes sense.  |

Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
216
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:12:00 -
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adam smash wrote:James 315 wrote:adam smash wrote:I bet the guy might have not even shown as a war target in local... maybe even overview. Nice try, but I always join corporations in a different system than my target, it's actually a more effective way to ambush. I always appear as a war target on overview/local, and in fact those miners who don't go AFK often try to escape when they see me coming--though they don't usually succeed. As for my brief employment in some corporations, I find that as a general rule, it's best not to overstay one's welcome. And if highsec miners can corp-hop or dissolve corps to evade war, I can use similar CCP-approved tactics to encourage war. None of this is anything new, by the way--it was described in detail in my Manifesto II, which I encourage you to read. I aint reading any of your waste of space stuff... Ya you claim to join in other systems... You also claim to be a pirate LOL... You are for sure not one... Also other poster... no he is not joining corps that are at war look more EVERY CORP he joined was from the SAME station in the SAME system. Come on... want the more likely answer? Trial account > make corp > war dec (no one in corp that matters) > join > kill > redo. EVERY corp also has two people. I am pretty sure that using a trial account to do that would be an exploit... I'm betting ya if CCP looked into this... it would be deemed an exploit. The CEO's of his ex corps make the corps 10min after getting into the game... COME ON do we REALLY need more? I mean really tell me the odds of EVERY corp this guy joins... having 1-2 people in it... and being from the SAME station. Let me add, after seening the guy is a goon... he could have goons making these alt corps and not be using trials...
Don't blame the OP for working within the games mechanics - blame CCP for putting the easily manipulated mechanics into place. He is merely playing the game asd it was designed.
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Rath Kelbore
Spaceship Hooligan Productions
188
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:19:00 -
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Edward Khurelem wrote:So! Ladies and Gentlemen,
To settle a little disagreement between an "honourable" Ransom Taker and I being a Miner, we have decided to enlist the help of the general public.
Let me tell you the situation,
I was mining in the asteroid belts when a Pirate by the name of James 315 approached me in my Orca and started to attack my ship. Naturally, He opened a channel of communication and demanded the ransom amount of 90million ISK per ship. I, of course, decided to pay him because I didn't feel like losing over 900mil worth of mining assets. So I payed him the 90million ISK BUT I accidently put an extra 0 into the figure giving him 900m instead of the agreed amount.
So, I told him this, and he continued to destroying my ship and I ended up losing my Orca, Hulk and my Implants. Valued at over 2.3b. He said that I didn't give him the correct amount thus allowing him to destroy my ship and everything i had in it.
We then took this to a station where we continued to discuss this issue and he and I both agreed that we should see what other players think.
What are your thoughts on the situation? Do you believe he should reimburse me the 2.12b minus the ransom which of course i had every intention of paying or do you believe that i should suck it up and accept that I lost 2.12b over a typo?
He was gonna kill you know matter what, he got more isk than expected AND got you to make a silly post on the forums about it. funny.
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |

Whitehound
277
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:26:00 -
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Only the weak pay ransom.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |

Steel Wraith
51
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:13:00 -
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James 315 wrote:[He was mining in a hulk, using his orca as a container essentially (I've found this is not uncommon for solo miners).
I think I'm missing something here. Why would anyone use an empty orca as a container? Why not instead use a jetcan? How does anyone come to the conclusion that because jetcans are at risk of having contents stolen, they'll instead leave an empty orca at risk of being stolen?
If you think this thought process is common to miners it's no wonder you target them. |

Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
360
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:23:00 -
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You lost your ship, dude. Get over it. Also, take this as a hard lesson that you should double check your numbers before proceeding with the transaction.
Also...
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13342824
Seriously? You fit a resistance-tank module while you have a bunch of anti-tank rigs and mods fitted? Orca should ever be fitted this way. Given the harsh nature of Eve Online, you should know better than to roam around the hostile universe with a fit like that. That's like driving a Humvee all around Baghdad with no armor protection whatsoever.
EDIT:
Since this is an API-verified kill, I'm curious how an Ishtar managed to destroy an Orca even with that sort of weak tank the Orca had. Also, this is in a 0.5 system. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |

Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
419
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:06:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:A lot of people are missing "little" details. -He was at war.
Speaking of little details, you appear to have missed the fact that James is in a npc corp.
Everything about this event just seems off.
Edit: ah I see the dec now. He's one of 'those' players. That is pretty bad when you have to sneak up on your defenseless target. |

SabotNoob
Sabot Industries
47
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:26:00 -
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Burseg Sardaukar wrote:Edward Khurelem wrote: He said that I didn't give him the correct amount thus allowing him to destroy my ship and everything i had in it. I peed a little. I also read this out loud to my vent, and they all peed on their mics.
Wait, what? They peed on their mics? They literally, peed on their mics?????!!!!! Why would someone want to pee on their mic? |

Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:44:00 -
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Edward Khurelem wrote: What are your thoughts on the situation? Do you believe he should reimburse me the 2.12b minus the ransom which of course i had every intention of paying or do you believe that i should suck it up and accept that I lost 2.12b over a typo?
Tbh, if he was willing to kill over you an overpayment of the ransom, the chances of his letting you live upon payment of the exact ransom are close to zero.
Moral of the story is, you lost 810m over a typo, 90m for trusting a pirate, and the other 1.1bn over getting caught by a pirate. |
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Gerald Taric
Adamantium Industry
52
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:49:00 -
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TL;DR: AFAIK there's no game rule, which forces him do give you back some of the money. You are fully dependend on his grace.
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Long version:
You are heavily out of luck.
As far as i understood EVE .. you can't trust anyone. Except (hopefully) your corp mates (but betrayal is also a valid part of this game).
The pirate may keep all the money, if he likes to do so. It was your fault sending him too much. It's compareable to not carefully reading the fraud contracts in "jita local chat". You even had no evidence, that the pirate will keep his promise. He was about to harm you, why did you belived him?
If the the real live gamer behind the ingame pirate is somehow a "very very good guy" in contrast to his ingame character, he might give back some of the too-much-payed money just for grace. But do not expect that in this game. Have a look on all the other threads in this forum: Harsh words everywhere. Bite and get biten.
If he refuses to show some sympathy, then it seems like you have to accept the awfull situation , and hopefully learn from it.
I wish you good luck for the next time. |

Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens
359
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:52:00 -
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There is a certain thing called reputation though, and James has pretty much soiled his. |

bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:04:00 -
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NEVER NEVER EVER EVER PAY A RANSOM!
Pirates usually behave in conversation like a business transaction. Yeah, politeness from a (insert racial slur here). I have paid a ransom once like yourself OP and was still raped.
Pirates don't hold their word, its never worth losing your money and your ship/clone.
ANYONE WHO SAYS PAY THE RANSOM, is the same person that would **** you and your family for kicks, and is LMFAO at people like us.
Anyone in game who pays ransoms are idiots. Sure plenty of pirates have honored it, and plenty have NOT. I dont roll the dice, and NEVER take anything out I can afford.
Be wishes to you OP, hope it works out! |

Khadanne
First Legion
2
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:08:00 -
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Andski wrote:this wouldn't have happened if you had purchased a Hulkageddon Mining Permit to protect your assets
IS that existing? seriously? BTW, is there any mafia corp or alliance in eve? |

Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
421
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:12:00 -
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Khadanne wrote:Andski wrote:this wouldn't have happened if you had purchased a Hulkageddon Mining Permit to protect your assets IS that existing? seriously? BTW, is there any mafia corp or alliance in eve?
Several. At least as equivalent to one as you can get. Back in my bear days my old corp would be contacted by other corps who would offer 'protection' if we pay them i.e. they don't wardec if we just pay ahead of time. We would just dock up or go across the system as many times these corps would only operate around the mission hubs. In only one instance did I have 2 players come looking for me and I was surprised that I was able to fend them off with a mission Raven. |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1136
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:48:00 -
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cute little dog and pony show you and your main are cooking up, but really this sort of "theater for the masses" belongs in Crime and punishment.
however they would rip you apart in there with such an obvious bit of manufactured drama you could try posting it as a troll thread The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Kale Kold
the united Negative Ten.
85
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:53:00 -
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Posting in a carebear tears, stealth rage post!!! mwhahahahah!!!  GÇ£Some people call me insane for the destruction-áIGÇÖve caused, ...I believe I was just doing my duty!GÇ¥ -- Testimony submitted to Caldari Navy war crimes tribunal. |
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