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Dakara Knight Minmatar Blind Violence HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.05.28 06:24:00 - [1] hello together! got a question to a jump freighter in high sec. for ex. if a jump freighter would be for ex in stacmon (0.5 system) and somebody would open a cyno in low or 0.0 space can the jump freighter jump from stacmon (0.5) to the cyno? thx and cu lightmans
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.05.28 06:26:00 - [2] Originally by: Dakara Knight hello together! got a question to a jump freighter in high sec. for ex. if a jump freighter would be for ex in stacmon (0.5 system) and somebody would open a cyno in low or 0.0 space can the jump freighter jump from stacmon (0.5) to the cyno? thx and cu lightmans Yes.
Xapharia WOLIMAZO INC	Posted - 2009.05.28 08:44:00 - [3] Jump Freighters can jump from high to low/0.0 sec without problem. The only thing they can't do is jump directly into high-sec. _________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Yaggher Xanuben Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.05.28 08:54:00 - [4] Originally by: Xapharia Jump Freighters can jump from high to low/0.0 sec without problem. The only thing they can't do is jump directly into high-sec. Not really an issue, an expendable cyno at the high-sec gate, JF jumps to it, 30 seconds and jumps.
Mad0ne Caldari Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2009.05.28 09:16:00 - [5] Please tell me when exactly are you going to jump and where.. so I can come and take some photos or smth. ----------------------------------------------- Limit cloaks to cloaking ships! Or Make covert ops`s to scan prototype and improved cloaks!!!
Xapharia WOLIMAZO INC	Posted - 2009.05.28 11:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Yaggher Xanuben Not really an issue, an expendable cyno at the high-sec gate, JF jumps to it, 30 seconds and jumps. That's not really 'directly' into high-sec though . By direct I meant jump into a high-sec system by activating a cyno in the system. _________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Space SUCCUBUS	Posted - 2009.05.28 11:42:00 - [7] Sorry no Cyno in high sec. Jump from 0.5+ to 0.0 = Yes Jump from 0.0 to 0.5+ = No From Low sec you must warp (Or jump) to gate then use gate to get into high sec.
Yaggher Xanuben Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.05.28 12:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Xapharia That's not really 'directly' into high-sec though . By direct I meant jump into a high-sec system by activating a cyno in the system. I know
Jones Bones Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.05.28 15:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Yaggher Xanuben Not really an issue, an expendable cyno at the high-sec gate, JF jumps to it, 30 seconds and jumps. Jones Bones' Nanophoon bumps you for 5000m (Critical)! =================== Go Bucks!
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.05.28 16:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Jones Bones Originally by: Yaggher Xanuben Not really an issue, an expendable cyno at the high-sec gate, JF jumps to it, 30 seconds and jumps. Jones Bones' Nanophoon bumps you for 5000m (Critical)! This. Never cyno to a gate. Cyno to a station within the docking ring but out of the way of the undock point to make it more difficult to setup a bump before you can dock or warp to the highsec gate.
Arous Drephius Perkone	Posted - 2009.05.28 16:47:00 - [11] Just be careful you don't bounce off the gate (hint: set destination to the highsec system and activate autopilot WHILE IN WARP so that you will instajump before you can bounce off).
supr3m3justic3 Caldari GANK STARZ	Posted - 2009.07.28 16:34:00 - [12] Sorry to bring up a old subject, but i've never flown anything with a jump drive. So just to be clear, my alt is about to fly an Ark. After reading this....you can't use the jump drive in high sec?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.28 16:47:00 - [13] Like said in basicly every post here, you cant cyno towards high sec space, only towards low sec/0.0 (because you need to jump to a cyno field and you cant make one in high sec). Where you are jumping from doesnt matter (as long as it is in range).
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.07.29 01:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Petyr Baelich Originally by: Jones Bones Originally by: Yaggher Xanuben Not really an issue, an expendable cyno at the high-sec gate, JF jumps to it, 30 seconds and jumps. Jones Bones' Nanophoon bumps you for 5000m (Critical)! This. Never cyno to a gate. Cyno to a station within the docking ring but out of the way of the undock point to make it more difficult to setup a bump before you can dock or warp to the highsec gate. Lmao! Disinformation ftw! Unless Mr. Jones has a nanophoon at every high sec entrance in low sec and the ability to know exactly which gate the jump freighter will cyno into down to the second you are perfectly safe. Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.07.29 01:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Zeba Lmao! Disinformation ftw! Unless Mr. Jones has a nanophoon at every high sec entrance in low sec and the ability to know exactly which gate the jump freighter will cyno into down to the second you are perfectly safe. Confirming this is correct. Do not hesitate to cyno directly to the gate, its completely safe, lowsec dwellers never check out cynos that are lit at gates...
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.07.29 01:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Zeba Lmao! Disinformation ftw! Unless Mr. Jones has a nanophoon at every high sec entrance in low sec and the ability to know exactly which gate the jump freighter will cyno into down to the second you are perfectly safe. Confirming this is correct. Do not hesitate to cyno directly to the gate, its completely safe, lowsec dwellers never check out cynos that are lit at gates... Yes, because every single entrance from low sec to high sec has a jump freighter busting squad ready and willing to engage with less than 30 seconds notice. Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.07.29 01:47:00 - [17] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 29/07/2009 01:48:41 Originally by: Zeba Yes, because every single entrance from low sec to high sec has a jump freighter busting squad ready and willing to engage with less than 30 seconds notice. Especially for lowsec entrance systems, its very likely that a gatecamp is already in place (even if you dont see them sitting at gate), and ready to pounce on you. But yea, jump your JF to the Nourv gate in Tama if you think its so safe For the people that like to keep their JF for some time, I'd suggest not to follow this guys advice.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.07.29 01:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Zeba Yes, because every single entrance from low sec to high sec has a jump freighter busting squad ready and willing to engage with less than 30 seconds notice. Especially for lowsec entrance systems, its very likely that a gatecamp is already in place (even if you dont see it), and ready to pounce on you. But yea, jump your JF to the Nourv gate in Tama if you think its so safe So plz explain why my cyno alt would drop one at a camped gate with several dozen empty gates to choose from. Also if the gate is not currently camped but local is filled to the brim you will be safe as can be. You have 30 seconds. Can you identify that a jump freighter is on the gate and get the needed force to him and bump him away in the 30 seconds? Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.07.29 02:00:00 - [19] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 29/07/2009 02:04:08 Originally by: Zeba Can you identify that a jump freighter is on the gate and get the needed force to him and bump him away in the 30 seconds? I dont even care what jumps to the cyno, if its at a gate I immediately warp there by default and point whatever is there. In fact, I might be in warp before you even initiate your jump. Since I quite often hang around about 2kkm from the gate in a tactical, yes I will be there in 30 seconds (in like 5-7 seconds actually), with enough time to try a bump. And I will happily suicide my rapier to tackle any JF, carrier or whatever you jump there as I know my corp is gonna be ready to gank it in no time once I start yelling in vent. But let me just answer your question with a question: why in the world would you take that risk if you can be completely safe by jumping to a station first?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.07.29 02:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Zeba Can you identify that a jump freighter is on the gate and get the needed force to him and bump him away in the 30 seconds? I dont even care what jumps to the cyno, if its at a gate I immediately warp there by default and point whatever is there. Since I quite often hang around about 2kkm from the gate in a tactical, yes I will be there in 30 seconds (in like 5-7 seconds actually), with enough time to try a bump. And I will happily suicide my rapier to tackle any JF, carrier or whatever you jump there as I know my corp is gonna be ready to gank it in no time once I start yelling in vent. Great. That means the next time I'm looking for a high sec entrance to drop off a few billions in stuff I'll cross the one single system you hang in off the list. Thanks for the intel! Moral: No mater what you cannot stop a jump freighter from getting into high sec from a low sec gate if the pilot scores at least 3 points higher than forrest gump on an iq test. Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Kessiaan Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.29 02:11:00 - [21] Cyno to a station then warp to the gate. Make sure to find a good cyno spot at the station before you light your cyno. You need every point within 5kms to be at zero from the station in your overview but not colliding with the station structure. This way you can jump, wait out your session change timer, and dock if things are hot. You jump to any cyno anywhere in range. You can't open cynos in highsec. I'm sure you can figure the rest out.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.07.29 02:13:00 - [22] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 29/07/2009 02:13:30 Originally by: Zeba Moral: No mater what you cannot stop a jump freighter from getting into high sec from a low sec gate if the pilot scores at least 3 points higher than forrest gump on an iq test. Well, "run, forrest, run!" is all I can say
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.07.29 02:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 29/07/2009 02:13:30 Originally by: Zeba Moral: No mater what you cannot stop a jump freighter from getting into high sec from a low sec gate if the pilot scores at least 3 points higher than forrest gump on an iq test. Well, "run, forrest, run!" is all I can say I do. Right into high sec with nothing the locals can do about it. Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.07.29 02:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Zeba I do. Right into high sec with nothing the locals can do about it. Thats exactly the kind of attitude that gets more people killed than I could possibly count. But go ahead, its your ship not mine
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.07.29 02:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Zeba I do. Right into high sec with nothing the locals can do about it. Thats exactly the kind of attitude that gets more people killed than I could possibly count. But go ahead, its your ship not mine So how do you explain several hundred jumps into low sec at a high sec entrance with zero losses? Hmmmm? Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.07.29 02:29:00 - [26] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 29/07/2009 02:29:12 Originally by: Zeba So how do you explain several hundred jumps into low sec at a high sec entrance with zero losses? Hmmmm? You know the saying "the dumbest peasant reaps the biggest potatoes" ? edit: arent we talking about lowsec -> hisec anyway?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.07.29 02:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 29/07/2009 02:29:12 Originally by: Zeba So how do you explain several hundred jumps into low sec at a high sec entrance with zero losses? Hmmmm? You know the saying "the dumbest peasant reaps the biggest potatoes" ? edit: arent we talking about lowsec -> hisec anyway? first part: Wat? second edited part: Thats what I thought we were talking about. Cynoing a jf into a low sec system directly on the gate to jump into high sec after the 30 second session change timer runs out. However you seem to be claiming that no matter where you drop a cyno a jf busting squad with the ships capable of bumping you away from the gate and so kill you will magically appear even in an empty system in the 30 seconds you have to wait. I call bullshiat if that is what you are trying to argue. Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.07.29 02:42:00 - [28] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 29/07/2009 02:45:55 Originally by: Zeba first part: Wat? translates into "you were lucky". Originally by: Zeba However you seem to be claiming that no matter where you drop a cyno a jf busting squad with the ships capable of bumping you away from the gate and so kill you will magically appear even in an empty system in the 30 seconds you have to wait. Originally by: Zeba Also if the gate is not currently camped but local is filled to the brim you will be safe as can be. Make up your mind, is the system empty, or filled to the brim with people? An empty system of course is pretty safe (not totally, but reasonably safe, still there is the possibility of someone coming from the hisec side at the wrong time). But you claimed its safe in a system full of people, which is, quite frankly, bull****.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.07.29 03:16:00 - [29] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Zeba first part: Wat? translates into "you were lucky". Well thank you for being proficient in decyphering ancient european colloquialisms. Alas luck has nothing to do with it, only logic focus and planning. Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Zeba However you seem to be claiming that no matter where you drop a cyno a jf busting squad with the ships capable of bumping you away from the gate and so kill you will magically appear even in an empty system in the 30 seconds you have to wait. Originally by: Zeba Also if the gate is not currently camped but local is filled to the brim you will be safe as can be. Make up your mind, is the system empty, or filled to the brim with people? An empty system of course is pretty safe (not totally, but reasonably safe). But you claimed its safe in a system full of people, which is, quite frankly, bull**. Both. An empty system is 99.99999% safe as about the only real thing you will have to worry about is a travelling blob entering from the high sec side at least 15 seconds before the timer expires. As far as a populated system that you really want to use to enter high sec its just a matter of patience. Use your cynp alt to scout the gate whilse running a max range scan so if its like a normal low sec system everyone is docked up you just pop the cyno and enjoy the profits when you dump your load in a market hub. Even if someone was undocked they will take a few seconds to realize a cyno is up and decide to warp to it then a few moar seconds to enter warp then even moar time to make it to the gate and get to the jf before he can jump. Sorry mate but thats simply not enough time to git r done unless you were in an interceptor. Good luck bumping it far enough away in the 5~10 seconds you have left. If the desired gate is constantly camped then you simply bite the bullet and go to the secondary cyno site. So anyway you slice it I get my jf into highsec in under an hour max and 99 times out of a hundred 30 seconds later. Originally by:** Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.07.29 03:44:00 - [30] Originally by: Zeba Both. An empty system is 99.99999% safe as about the only real thing you will have to worry about is a travelling blob entering from the high sec side at least 15 seconds before the timer expires. Or a lone battleship that just happens to jump the gate while you jump to your cyno and seizes the opportunity. Worst case with really unlucky timing he has almost the full 30 seconds = plenty of time to bump you off. (Unless you scout the hisec site as well, +1 character) Quote: Even if someone was undocked they will take a few seconds to realize a cyno is up and decide to warp to it then a few moar seconds to enter warp then even moar time to make it to the gate and get to the jf before he can jump. I've mentioned it before, there are ships that can be cloaked and you wont scan them with your cyno alt, when I'm lingering at gates waiting for jumpins in the Rapier I'm usually even sitting 10km off gate. Enough room to get the bump. If I'm sitting at a tactical it will take me 5-7 seconds to warp down after cyno is lit, a bit more difficult but still possible, I'd certainly not bet a 4bill JF on it. Quote: If the desired gate is constantly camped then you simply bite the bullet and go to the secondary cyno site. So anyway you slice it I get my jf into highsec in under an hour max and 99 times out of a hundred 30 seconds later. So, you are basically saying that taking the risk of sitting 30 seconds at gate in a lowsec system, using 5 characters (2x cyno + 2x hisec scout + JF), taking possibly hours waiting for the right moment, and still running a small risk of getting ganked is better than using just 2 characters and doing it the proper way to be 100% safe? And thats not even taking into account you might wanna run the route multiple times, get scouted out, added to peoples addressbook and getting set up. You might prefer it that way, but you shouldnt advise other people to do such things when they can get it done the proper way in under 2 minutes.

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