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Seribrithia	Posted - 2009.05.29 04:14:00 - [1] SO what if you could power down your ship instantly (powering up taking a set time) so that anyone in your area would not see you on the overview but can see you visibly if they are close enough. You could physically hide behind planets, roids, stations, etc if they were near. Just a crazy idea after watching 3 hours worth of Battlestar Galactica episodes lol.. I may be a noob but really I have nothing to loose and everything to gain!
Taak Coram Gallente Cursed Souls Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.05.29 04:35:00 - [2] Edited by: Taak Coram on 29/05/2009 04:36:16 I thought of this too while watching Firefly. Be warned, people will flame you. I predict shoutings of "lern2cloak". EDIT: I realize it's different from a cloak. I actually think it's a cool idea.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.29 04:37:00 - [3] Originally by: Seribrithia SO what if you could power down your ship instantly (powering up taking a set time) so that anyone in your area would not see you on the overview but can see you visibly if they are close enough. You could physically hide behind planets, roids, stations, etc if they were near. Just a crazy idea after watching 3 hours worth of Battlestar Galactica episodes lol.. Nice idea actually. The only ones who will object are the criminals here anyway, so just ignore them.
Hame leGrey Valklear Guard Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.29 04:43:00 - [4] I would endorse this product and/or service
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.29 04:44:00 - [5] Me 2! this idea sounds awesome, and the tears of those found will be about as sweet as condensed milk Pomp FTW!!!
Xiao LoPan	Posted - 2009.05.29 04:46:00 - [6] that is a nice idea, has nice drawbacks to keep it balanced, i would assume that would mean no overview, no shields and no scanning right?
dankness420	Posted - 2009.05.29 04:47:00 - [7] that is a pretty awesome idea actually. you could still probe the person out but once you warp to them, it would be confusing until you actually start looking for them.
Hame leGrey Valklear Guard Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.29 04:53:00 - [8] Originally by: Xiao LoPan that is a nice idea, has nice drawbacks to keep it balanced, i would assume that would mean no overview, no shields and no scanning right? Just what I was thinking. What about local?? If you are in a powered down ship, it would be feasible that you would be able to 'see' local, and the chat on it, but not actually send anything?
Joe Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.	Posted - 2009.05.29 04:55:00 - [9] your proposed system only works if the scanning ship was looking for electronic signatures. Any system that relys on bouncing a signal of a physical object, eg Radar or Ladar, would still find the ship, wether the ship had power or not. Thankyou for posting something other than a lvl 4 whine thread, but Ideas forum is that way --->
Sombike Caldari Vanad ja Kobedad	Posted - 2009.05.29 05:25:00 - [10] Since some ppl are desperately searching a way to get cloaked ships away from theyr space, how about if we replace cloaking with this idea? :)
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.29 05:30:00 - [11] Remove cloaks from ships that arent covert ops cloakable, and implement this idea. Would fit my RP perfectly. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Xiao LoPan	Posted - 2009.05.29 05:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Joe your proposed system only works if the scanning ship was looking for electronic signatures. Any system that relys on bouncing a signal of a physical object, eg Radar or Ladar, would still find the ship, wether the ship had power or not. Thankyou for posting something other than a lvl 4 whine thread, but Ideas forum is that way ---> they would have a contact, but with no power it should be more difficult to tell the difference between a ship and floating space junk
Rachel Silverside Caldari K Directorate	Posted - 2009.05.29 06:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Xiao LoPan Originally by: Joe your proposed system only works if the scanning ship was looking for electronic signatures. Any system that relys on bouncing a signal of a physical object, eg Radar or Ladar, would still find the ship, wether the ship had power or not. Thankyou for posting something other than a lvl 4 whine thread, but Ideas forum is that way ---> they would have a contact, but with no power it should be more difficult to tell the difference between a ship and floating space junk nerf minmitar ships then!!!!!! -------------------- i play momorpugers
Malloway PAIN AND PLEASURE LLC	Posted - 2009.05.29 06:57:00 - [14] Wow very nice idea Seribrithia. This would be a nice feature to the game and would add a little bit of "spice" to the whole ... staying hidden trick. Also this feature would be pretty balanced as is, for example (Pros and Cons for the person who powers-down their ship and in general gameplay) Pros: > Completely invisible via overview and most electronic devices. > Adds creativity to making a safespot. (Safespots behind planets or behind asteroids would decrease ur chance of being found) > Actually "searching" for a ship with you eyes out in space would be a nice change up every once in a while. Cons: > If someone does find you while ur power-downed ... well, your just screwed. (Powering up should take some time to complete. No mods would work while powered-down and you have no shields, hull and armor are not effected obviously) > Scan probes would still work in finding your ship, but it souldent be able to pinpoint you down as well as it would normally if u were "powered-up". > Adding on to the scan probes, maybe if ur trying to probe a ship that is "powered-down" the closest they can get is within the ~30-50km range? Just a few things of who i could see this implemented. Great idea!
Lagsta Wraith.Wing Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.29 08:59:00 - [15] How good would it be if you could power down then eject, then you can leave a ship somewhere relatively safely without (too much) fear of it being stolen?
Reven Cordelle Caldari Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.05.29 09:07:00 - [16] Its an idea. But brix will be shat by people who are already plagued by AFK Cloakers. We should be allowed to run without containment though. Maybe then the Blood Raiders will see I'm on their side.
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.05.29 09:18:00 - [17] Someone should tell the jetcans to power down their systems, they keep appearing on my overview.
Sam Browne MYTHIC Developments	Posted - 2009.05.29 09:39:00 - [18] Nice idea. Could add to the argument for removing cloaks from non-Covert/Spec Ops ships if implimented correctly. "Your farming ship can no longer AFK cloak because it can no longer fit a cloak, but you can opt to power down whilst hiding from the hunters..." Originally by: Xiao LoPan Originally by: Joe your proposed system only works if the scanning ship was looking for electronic signatures. Any system that relys on bouncing a signal of a physical object, eg Radar or Ladar, would still find the ship, wether the ship had power or not. <stuff> they would have a contact, but with no power it should be more difficult to tell the difference between a ship and floating space junk As scanning for (powered) ships (and anything else for that matter) is now pittifully easy, scanning for powered down ships should take some real effort as hinted by Xiao. It would I'd say, make it a challenge for the hunters and add some risk element to the current (afk?) cloaking crowd without totally removing the ability to sit (virtually) hidden. Fresh idea, well done Seribrithia. Swimming against the tide since 2003
Akoudoulos Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.29 10:05:00 - [19] for a General discussion idea weirdly this sounds really nice actually Blackops ships could have this as a module like covert ops cloaking device it would made those unworthy expensive ships a reason to be worthy
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.29 10:24:00 - [20] Powering down should be quick and you should only to be able to be powered down for 2 or so hours, after that you start to take hull damage, rp reasons could be life support or cosmic radiation. You are still able to be probed and D-scanned while you are powered down making it not like ninja cloaking. All passive mods will be offline as well as shield (this stops armor buffer tanks getting an upper hand) When powered down, you will be able to see local but not be ln local, making it good for ambushes. Powering up should tabe about 3 minutes and use 95% cap, a skill like jump drive operation could reduce the cap usage. And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.05.29 10:27:00 - [21] Sounds like somebody has been watching reruns of Star Trek: Deep Voyager Nine....
CommmanderInChief Comply Or Die	Posted - 2009.05.29 10:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Taak Coram Edited by: Taak Coram on 29/05/2009 04:36:16 I thought of this too while watching Firefly. Be warned, people will flame you. I predict shoutings of "lern2cloak". EDIT: I realize it's different from a cloak. I actually think it's a cool idea. hate to say it but isnt this what the cloak effectively does? if its to serve a purpose to hide then..why add something else?
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.29 10:32:00 - [23] Originally by: CommmanderInChief Originally by: Taak Coram Edited by: Taak Coram on 29/05/2009 04:36:16 I thought of this too while watching Firefly. Be warned, people will flame you. I predict shoutings of "lern2cloak". EDIT: I realize it's different from a cloak. I actually think it's a cool idea. hate to say it but isnt this what the cloak effectively does? if its to serve a purpose to hide then..why add something else? The cloak makes it too easy to hide in a non-cloaking ship, this is the much needed balance. And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now
An Sar	Posted - 2009.05.29 10:33:00 - [24] signed
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.29 11:09:00 - [25] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Someone should tell the jetcans to power down their systems, they keep appearing on my overview. Not to forget those pesky asteroids! I demand they turn off all their electronic equipment! Kinda like ops idea though ================================================== I should really get a sig.
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.29 11:10:00 - [26] well it makes sence.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.05.29 11:18:00 - [27] Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 29/05/2009 11:18:07 I like it. As it adds variety to the game. Do it!
Maria Kalista Amarr Emerald Forest Securities	Posted - 2009.05.29 11:28:00 - [28] I like it. Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
Hyperforce99 Gallente Infinite Covenant United Front Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.29 11:37:00 - [29] This is something I originally thought about when I started eve, such things as: Don't hit the asteroid, I might crash :P Or, can I hide from pirates behind this large roid So yeah, this could be interesting. Questions though: Would it remove all forms of chat ? Will it be scanneble using scan probes ? Would this remove someone from local ? --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.29 11:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Originally by: 5pinDizzy Someone should tell the jetcans to power down their systems, they keep appearing on my overview. Not to forget those pesky asteroids! I demand they turn off all their electronic equipment! Kinda like ops idea though As far as RP-***ging goes you CCP could come up with the fact that your overview isnt programmed to understand powered down ships. And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now
D4RK 0NE testicular Fortitude Sherwood Forest	Posted - 2009.05.29 11:43:00 - [31] Edited by: D4RK 0NE on 29/05/2009 11:43:05 /signed This is a great idea- im shocked tbh edit-page 2 snype there are those who whine,and there are those who adapt.. me,i just drink the wine and pass out :D
Solar Blade	Posted - 2009.05.29 11:47:00 - [32] Edited by: Solar Blade on 29/05/2009 11:47:57 Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Powering down should be quick and you should only to be able to be powered down for 2 or so hours, after that you start to take hull damage, rp reasons could be life support or cosmic radiation. You are still able to be probed and D-scanned while you are powered down making it not like ninja cloaking. All passive mods will be offline as well as shield (this stops armor buffer tanks getting an upper hand) When powered down, you will be able to see local but not be ln local, making it good for ambushes. Powering up should tabe about 3 minutes and use 95% cap, a skill like jump drive operation could reduce the cap usage. I like the sound of this Though I think there should be a cool down timer on it, or people will keep pop-ing up. Warning: Your ship is still running diagnostics from the last shutdown procedure, Powering down will be disabled for (####) more minutes. Also, even though people don't appear on the overview they should ofcourse still be selectable and ships that have locked on to your ship shouldn't have their lock broken upon shutdown.
Kaivos Pyydys	Posted - 2009.05.29 11:48:00 - [33] Edited by: Kaivos on 29/05/2009 11:51:47 Edited by: Kaivos on 29/05/2009 11:51:19 Edited by: Kaivos on 29/05/2009 11:49:47 I like this idea. Make it happen. It should simply hide you from the overview. The ship should be still able to manually target from the space and it should not break lock. And I don't see why it needs a cooldown if powering up your ship takes set amount of time. Lets say like 5-10secs. Or the bigger the ship the bigger the powerup time. Post it on ideas section of the forums.
OffBeaT Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.29 11:58:00 - [34] how thet hell is powering down gona help you. do you even know what its like to be hunted down buy a blob or pack of interseptors/oynx or how ever you spell that ships name. how are you gona hide anyway with local telling evryone you are still in the system. anyway they alrady got cloaking for that.. LOCAL needs to be gone to make a move like that.. lets just ask them to dump local.. dump it! dump it! dump it!
Schayol Sunkeeper	Posted - 2009.05.29 12:15:00 - [35] Originally by: OffBeaT how thet hell is powering down gona help you. do you even know what its like to be hunted down buy a blob or pack of interseptors/oynx or how ever you spell that ships name. how are you gona hide anyway with local telling evryone you are still in the system. anyway they alrady got cloaking for that.. LOCAL needs to be gone to make a move like that.. lets just ask them to dump local.. dump it! dump it! dump it! i second this idea, local really needs to be changed. a) option to leave local ( drawback: you can't "see" others ) b) delayed appearance c) appearance only when talking ( my fav, because it's the most logical one )
Attrezzo Pox Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.29 13:11:00 - [36] I dig it... One of the things the eve battlefield lacks is variability. There's no such thing as cover. All ojects can be shot through. I think this could help with that. Ideally, in a perfect eve, you would get sig radius/"chance to hit" bonuses for being behind a larger object, and that object could take damage. But this would require some pretty hard core advanced calculation on the direction of incoming weapons fire and ridiculously server taxing stuff like that. I think it would work out better to have the ability to anchor walls and structures like we see in complexes etc. And those could act like barriers. When you're in a certain range of them they could give your ship reasonable bonuses. I envision an eve where you scout a gate and find that it's got a camp set up, barriers in certain places for logistics ships etc and knowing this you have to send in bombers to fire a few volleys at them and tear a few down or soften them up, then come and attack. Or better still when your fleet jumps through you have cruiser/frig groups go out and storm them. Ideally, to keep from being all camped out indefinitely, there would be a anchor time reasonably long, say 30 minutes for "sandbags", an hour for something bigger, several hours or even days for all out pillboxes/emplacements. As a further isk sink, they could not be de-contructed, and perhaps even further experienced deterioration. In this way there would always be some amount of time after a particular barrier deteriorated that an enemy would have to come in and wreck havoc. Anyway just thought I'd throw that out there. Hey... that's a really good idea... new post in the idea forums. ------------------------- PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!!
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.05.29 13:19:00 - [37] Already in-game: Active with Ctrl-Q.
OffBeaT Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.29 13:21:00 - [38] Edited by: OffBeaT on 29/05/2009 13:21:28 WhaT! this is not cowboys & indian's where you stick your head out from behind a astroid or station/planet and fire and duck. missiles track around objects to hit remeber, you cant duck from a missile imo! anyway, why would you wont to get close to a astroid or planet to do combat? remeber you got to deal with the gravity feild around these objects that could get you stuck and dead or at best just slow you down and still get you dead!
Sam Browne MYTHIC Developments	Posted - 2009.05.29 13:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper Originally by: OffBeaT <stuff> i second this idea, local really needs to be changed. a) option to leave local ( drawback: you can't "see" others ) b) delayed appearance c) appearance only when talking ( my fav, because it's the most logical one ) Whilst this thread isn't directly about the 'Local' issue, 'Powering down' a ship could present some interesting thoughts concerning it, perhaps combining a couple of the above options: Powering down your ship could for example remove you, the pilot from Local channel (your ships comms unit isn't transmitting its ID because it's powered down) It also removes your ability to view who's in local however, for the same reason. In order for you (the powered down ship) to view who else is in system, you need to power up for a look see - this would tell you who is in-system but would also reveal the fact that you are also there. It could be suggested that this should be added to the existing functionality of the cloaking mechanism: It could be but the current cloaking mechanics have no real penalty - uncloak, pause, recloak. Powering down could have (as previously suggested) significant onlining CAP requirement and suitable onlining process time requirement. Additionally, I'm in favour of removing cloaks from non-specialist cloaking ships, this powering down option gives that idea a hint more viability imho. Swimming against the tide since 2003
OffBeaT Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.29 14:13:00 - [40] Edited by: OffBeaT on 29/05/2009 14:16:14 Originally by: Sam Browne Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper Originally by: OffBeaT <stuff> i second this idea, local really needs to be changed. a) option to leave local ( drawback: you can't "see" others ) b) delayed appearance c) appearance only when talking ( my fav, because it's the most logical one ) Whilst this thread isn't directly about the 'Local' issue, 'Powering down' a ship could present some interesting thoughts concerning it, perhaps combining a couple of the above options: Powering down your ship could for example remove you, the pilot from Local channel (your ships comms unit isn't transmitting its ID because it's powered down) It also removes your ability to view who's in local however, for the same reason. In order for you (the powered down ship) to view who else is in system, you need to power up for a look see - this would tell you who is in-system but would also reveal the fact that you are also there. It could be suggested that this should be added to the existing functionality of the cloaking mechanism: It could be but the current cloaking mechanics have no real penalty - uncloak, pause, recloak. Powering down could have (as previously suggested) significant onlining CAP requirement and suitable onlining process time requirement. Additionally, I'm in favour of removing cloaks from non-specialist cloaking ships, this powering down option gives that idea a hint more viability imho. no freaking way would you wont to power down with interseptors patroling the planets/astroid feilds looking for you.. you think you would get away if you had to wait power back up, think on that for a sec. your cloak penalty is you got to wait 30 sec to lock or recloak. why would you wont to sit dead next to a planet like a sitting duck anyway! what are you gona do when a ship shoots in and it got all the time it needs to tag you then call in aid. your not even powerd up to shot, run, or cloak.. you cant even scan to see that they are getting close to finding you.
Seribrithia	Posted - 2009.05.29 14:27:00 - [41] I woke up this morning expecting to be on fire from all the flames but I am glad to see all of the positive replys. Everything starts with an idea and I figure even if they could implement some version of this that would be really awesome. A lot of you gave some great ideas on how to implement this idea. I may be a noob but really I have nothing to loose and everything to gain!
Ming Tso Caldari Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.05.29 14:35:00 - [42] So if we are A) Removed from Local, but can't see Local B) Removed from Overview but can't see Overview, obviously brackets would have to be removed to allow the intended effect. Then, C) How are you going to lock a powered-down ship if you can't see them on Overview or a Bracket in space? D) Would this require the introduction of a magnification window to be able to better visually scan for powered-down ships?
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.29 14:36:00 - [43] i like the idea. i'd love to hide in asteroid belts waiting on that raven to come back --
OffBeaT Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.29 14:42:00 - [44] he is gonna see you as soon as you try to power up, you are not cloaked so he can see you easy enough. why should being powered down make it so a ship cant lock onto you.. i can lock onto a asteroid cant i and it gives off no power.. its not a real viable tactic in hostile space.
Navdaq Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.29 14:45:00 - [45] Originally by: Seribrithia SO what if you could power down your ship instantly (powering up taking a set time) so that anyone in your area would not see you on the overview but can see you visibly if they are close enough. You could physically hide behind planets, roids, stations, etc if they were near. Just a crazy idea after watching 3 hours worth of Battlestar Galactica episodes lol.. Hey, I like this. Cool idea! I flush my waste straight to space.
Lurd	Posted - 2009.05.29 16:32:00 - [46] I love this idea
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation	Posted - 2009.05.29 16:34:00 - [47] The option of powering down the Ship already exists. Just press CTRL + Q. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done

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Alora Venoda GalTech Whiskey Creek Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.29 16:51:00 - [49] the pilot of the powered-down ship shouldn't even be able to see anything at all since the ship has to feed the video image to their pod... and what about life-support? i think the OP is thinking more along the lines of "silent running" like submarines... power down everything except essential systems. but since EVE is in space and we can already scan for rocks and similar dumb objects... and even wrecks show up on overview... so i don't see how turning off our ship can make us stealthy, which we already have cloaks for anyway. it would be much more interesting if we could disguise our ship as something else... like a different ship or even a wreck... ~~~~~ Remember, EVE is a sandbox and other MMOs are rock gardens. Pretty rocks can be collected, but collecting sand is pointless. Instead build a sandcastle and keep it from being knocked down.
Seribrithia	Posted - 2009.05.29 17:05:00 - [50] Originally by: Ming Tso So if we are A) Removed from Local, but can't see Local B) Removed from Overview but can't see Overview, obviously brackets would have to be removed to allow the intended effect. Then, C) How are you going to lock a powered-down ship if you can't see them on Overview or a Bracket in space? D) Would this require the introduction of a magnification window to be able to better visually scan for powered-down ships? Well I was thinking maybe the only way to target it would be to click on the ship itself if you spot it. IMO The point of powering down would be to make it impossible to use overview and to make it a lot harder to track down by scanning.
Seribrithia	Posted - 2009.05.29 17:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Alora Venoda the pilot of the powered-down ship shouldn't even be able to see anything at all since the ship has to feed the video image to their pod... and what about life-support? i think the OP is thinking more along the lines of "silent running" like submarines... power down everything except essential systems. but since EVE is in space and we can already scan for rocks and similar dumb objects... and even wrecks show up on overview... so i don't see how turning off our ship can make us stealthy, which we already have cloaks for anyway. it would be much more interesting if we could disguise our ship as something else... like a different ship or even a wreck... Its just an idea. MAybe there could be a module that we could equip to make ship invisible to any computer overview, scanner, etc when the ship is powered down but not physically cloak the ship. I would make the module very easy on fitting requirements and make it a mid or low slot, or maybe a rig. Or- maybe it can be a skill you can train to give you the knowledge to power down your ship and make it invisible to overview, etc. The possibilities are endless. One thing that comes to mind with this is that when you run a mission and dont have your overview setup correctly sometimes its hard to find an object When a ship is powered down no lights will flash and I think It would be pretty hard to find in some situations. Granted I would think of this a something not done often but useful in a few situations.
OffBeaT Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.05.29 18:19:00 - [52] Edited by: OffBeaT on 29/05/2009 18:22:29 Originally by: Alora Venoda the pilot of the powered-down ship shouldn't even be able to see anything at all since the ship has to feed the video image to their pod... and what about life-support? i think the OP is thinking more along the lines of "silent running" like submarines... power down everything except essential systems. but since EVE is in space and we can already scan for rocks and similar dumb objects... and even wrecks show up on overview... so i don't see how turning off our ship can make us stealthy, which we already have cloaks for anyway. it would be much more interesting if we could disguise our ship as something else... like a different ship or even a wreck... Look at this someone can think. that's right we NEED DECOY BOUIES OR PROBES! the only way i can see a ship wanting to power down to drop off scanners would be in dead space or worm holes where you have no local & mwd don't work. this way you have time to power up before a ship can get into range of a lock. saying that it wont be long before players ask for a sonar probe to counter this way of hiding.. now we are getting to what we really need in eve and that's the ability to hide and to decoy. we need ways to somehow use eccm mods/drone/boyies/probes that buy time in ambushing. with blobs being what they are its time for new tools witch aid in new tactics and ways of thinking that are needed to aid smaller groups/solo hunters the abilities to take on larger gangs cut them of from there fleets and buy the time needed to actually do a real ambush. we need probes or even a new kind of eccm class of ship that can make some kind of dead space around trapped ship or ships. i would say some kind of ability to make it so fleet aid to the trapped ships cant warp in past 150km or so of there mark!
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.05.29 18:36:00 - [53] It's an old idea, found two threads about it from ages ago: Linkage and Linkage Those should add some more info and possibilities to the current discussion. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Taak Coram Gallente Cursed Souls Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.05.30 02:14:00 - [54] Decoy probes... the 'verse would be ringing with everyone simultaneously exclaiming, "Cry baby cry."
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind AAA Citizens	Posted - 2009.05.30 02:27:00 - [55] I dont see this being implemented for performance reasons. View distance is effected by your graphics settings, meaning that people who can max their graphics would be able to see targets further then those who couldn't. I don't foresee CCP implementing something that would skew so unfairly based upon ones' systems specs. One potential middle ground would be that you still show on the overview, but you cannot be detected on the directional scan. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
riverini	Posted - 2009.05.30 05:46:00 - [56] I like this idea, but also for balance purposes there should be an UPTIME 110% ENGINE START, what does this mean, is that when the ship starts up it should appear in any overview as a warp in point say X au away, or in the scanners, that way it could be more risky and balanced to use.
Hayaishi Gallente Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.30 08:50:00 - [57] /signed.
Hyperforce99 Gallente Infinite Covenant United Front Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.30 09:14:00 - [58] Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 30/05/2009 09:17:32 Originally by: Ming Tso So if we are C) How are you going to lock a powered-down ship if you can't see them on Overview or a Bracket in space? D) Would this require the introduction of a magnification window to be able to better visually scan for powered-down ships? C: you can still select objects even if they don't appear on your overview. Its the same thing with objects like silo's in mission pockets, they don't appear on your overview, but they can still be clicked on and selected. D: Thats allready in game, I forgot the hotkey though, it turns your mouse into a zoom window, its pretty awesome really Quote: I like this idea, but also for balance purposes there should be an UPTIME 110% ENGINE START, what does this mean, is that when the ship starts up it should appear in any overview as a warp in point say X au away, or in the scanners, that way it could be more risky and balanced to use. Little too extreme... Its not a cyno, just a ship starting up. maybe add them to local 15 seconds before they get full controll back. Maybe make capital ships take longer to reboot, and T3 ships shorter :P --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Solomunio Kzenig Amarr SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War	Posted - 2009.05.30 09:55:00 - [59] Signed. Actually quite a good idea.
Georgina Eldridge	Posted - 2009.05.30 11:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Lagsta How good would it be if you could power down then eject, then you can leave a ship somewhere relatively safely without (too much) fear of it being stolen? Somewhere like a station?
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.05.30 11:55:00 - [61] Originally by: Intense Thinker Me 2! this idea sounds awesome, and the tears of those found will be about as sweet as condensed milk i love condensed milk... supporting idea
Zaiyo Modi Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.05.30 11:56:00 - [62] I really like the of powering down a ship, but there is probably an abuse potential which should be balanced. Being able to turn off the ship in a single moment, sounds very practical in a combat situation, so unless OP has this in mind, imo a balanced effort should be made by the devs to make powering down ships a balanced feature and not some stunt idea. Just saying that it makes sense to figure out the consequences of having ships being able to power down and become practically invulnerable. Powering down at a safe spot would/should make ones ship totally undetectable as OP suggest. Still there would be potential for some game design around that, all it takes is CCP to make up their mind about how they want to design things. Anchored structures in home/sov system could offer a chance to detect powered down ship.
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.05.30 11:59:00 - [63] I like it, for added fun, "wouldn't it be cool" if you power down near something that has a high enough gravitational pull you slowly start "falling" towards it. Making the idea of powering down to a Star or Planet dangerous as you'd melt/burn up... Sorry, my imagination ran with me then.
Zaiyo Modi Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.05.30 13:58:00 - [64] I think the power-up-sequence should be abit intricate. It would offer tools for devs for balancing future gameplay, add some flexibility to the pilot and his options as his ship is powering up, and it would make sense in a way. By having degrees of powering up a ship, you are not either simply sitting duck until fully powered up, and anyone searching may be given a challenge. A challenge which otherwise might have ended up being too simplistic and prone to imbalance. I guess the various degrees of powering up from a ground state could be something like this. Variables: • As the ship is powered up, it is gradually more visible to probes. Initially not visible to probes at all. Surely a way can be found to limit server workload, maybe simplifying this process as needed. • Lowslot modules are onlined first after t+ x seconds • Midslot modules are then onlined, after t+ x + y seconds • Highslot modules are then onlined, after t+ x +y +z seconds • Targeting system operational immediatly, and drones can be used • Propulsion is gradually becoming stronger to optimal efficiency as time pass from powered down to powered up state. • Shields are flicked on to full, like with a switch, after some time. • Hull points and armor points have at all times the basic resistances. Fun complications: The onlining of low-, mid- and highslots could/should require near full capacitor energy. This would prevent exploiting/unbalancing this feature if a pilot kept powering down, up, down, up and down again in a short period of time.
Giuseppe Bakhtyar Gallente Smegnet Incorporated Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.06.04 19:58:00 - [65] I like this idea a lot, but a powered down ship, given the sophistication of ship sensors, should appear on overview as some sort of object, just not as a ship. What category of overview object should be context specific, making powering down close to other objects more useful in fooling enemy pilots than powering down all by your lonesome in a safespot (what's that that space debris doing all the way out here by itself?). For example, if you power down in in belt, the ship becomes a small rock of veldspar on overview; if in the debris field of a complex, the ship appears as more debris on overview; near stations it appears as a can; in a field of mission wrecks it appears as a wreck, etc. Default overview appearance should be debris when powered down in empty space. If a pilot does not have the object type checked for his overview setting, than the ship won't appear just like all the other debris/asteroids/cans/whatever the pilot chose to remove from overview settings. The only way to completely disappear from overview would be to power down near a massive object, like planets or moons, as the return signature of such a large object would mask the tiny return signature of your tiny, cold, EM silent craft. Note that while the listing on the overview changes, a powered down ship still looks like a ship when inspected visually, as previously stated. Also, for this to work, rats would have to be stupid enough to never engage powered down ships, otherwise a low-sec belt would be a deathtrap rather than cover. As previously suggested, powering down near significant gravitational bodies is dangerous, and could be represented by a countdown timer showing time remaining until the ship is irretrievably caught in the gravity well and destroyed. Nothing fancy, just a timer, and when it flashes 00:00:00 you get the usual "ship is out of control message," explosion, followed by your lonely pod floating in space above the planet or moon. The twist would be no wreck to loot/salvage, as it presumably is now a crater or debris field somewhere below (or compressed into a square meter chunk of minerals in the lower reaches of a gas giant). Ship size should also come into play, but I'm not quite sure how to work that out yet. Quote: When you can't run anymore, you crawl. And when you can't do that...yeah, you know the rest.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.06.04 20:51:00 - [66] Log off. There ya go.
Shea Klant	Posted - 2009.06.04 23:17:00 - [67] It's a great idea, one that people have been asking for years now. The concept of "low observability" badly needs to be added to the game. The down side, is there is no place to actually hide in the game. All celestial bodies can be warped to. Safe spots don't have space junk or anything else. If they added longevity to PvP wrecks or abandonded ships, and long range scans only give back returns (small, medium, large, and XL) rather than ship type and name, as well as having many more objects in system then maybe this idea might work. Until then we just have to deal with the lazy dev hack that cloaking currently is.
Mike C Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.06.04 23:26:00 - [68] Edited by: Mike C on 04/06/2009 23:27:27 Originally by: Ming Tso So if we are A) Removed from Local, but can't see Local B) Removed from Overview but can't see Overview, obviously brackets would have to be removed to allow the intended effect. Then, C) How are you going to lock a powered-down ship if you can't see them on Overview or a Bracket in space? D) Would this require the introduction of a magnification window to be able to better visually scan for powered-down ships? You can already target ships which have brackets off, just click on the model. EDIT 1/1: Originally by: Shea Klant It's a great idea, one that people have been asking for years now. The concept of "low observability" badly needs to be added to the game. The down side, is there is no place to actually hide in the game. All celestial bodies can be warped to. Safe spots don't have space junk or anything else. If they added longevity to PvP wrecks or abandonded ships, and long range scans only give back returns (small, medium, large, and XL) rather than ship type and name, as well as having many more objects in system then maybe this idea might work. Until then we just have to deal with the lazy dev hack that cloaking currently is. You could always power down inside Steve's wreck... __________________________________________________ Originally by: Mike C Trolls - We keep Humanity alive... and kicking...

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