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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2009.06.05 09:23:00 -
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Hello, my name is Fink Angel and I am a certificate addict.
I happily ignored it for a while, but since claiming the certificates that were due, I now base my training around getting complete groups of skills up to Elite status. Now I'm just addicted to cert collecting.
It's actually been pretty handy in that it brought to my attention that my character with 12 mill SPs in gunnery did not have the skill Controlled Bursts at all! 
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Andrea Erlang
Caldari
Erlang Biolabs
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Posted - 2009.06.05 09:34:00 -
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if you fly mostly minmatar, controlled bursts hardly has any reasonable value. Unless you fit lasers to minmatar ships. 
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2009.06.05 09:44:00 -
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Exactly. I have Large Arty spec to 4, large AC spec to 4 ... no need for controlled bursts, but I need it to get the gunnery certs!  |
Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.06.05 09:52:00 -
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ITT; the real reason for certificates. |
Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.05 09:57:00 -
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That's the prolem with them, they are too tempting.... I mean do I really need mechanic at 5? Really? I do if I want the cert, and I want the cert  . |
Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:23:00 -
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everyone should want mechanics 5 |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:27:00 -
[7]
 Originally by: Andrea Erlang
if you fly mostly minmatar, controlled bursts hardly has any reasonable value. Unless you fit lasers to minmatar ships.
L luvs my laser Cane!
IMMA FIRIN MAH LAYZZORZ!!!
Originally by: darkrei9n
Because Minmatar ships smell like garbage, Amarr ships smell like incense and that stuff, Caldari ships smell like a hospital, and Gallente ships smell like French people.
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Maria Kalista
Amarr
Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim
everyone should want mechanics 5
Quoted for truth.
Originally by: Jacharian
This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Janjan Jansen
Amarr
Gene Works
Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:31:00 -
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Everybody should want to have Energy Management V and Energy Systems Operation V as well, who wants to run dry on juice.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:34:00 -
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Heck, I'm training Torpedoes 5 just for the certificate, even though I mostly fly cruisers.
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Raekone
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:44:00 -
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Years ago I used used megabeams on tempests and scorpions because they looked pretty, plus when I got pwnd I could just say "yeah but I had lasers lol" |
Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Tzar'rim
everyone should want mechanics 5
Quoted for truth.
Care to elaborate? Mechanics four gives access to t2 medium armour repair moduals and I really dont plan on being in a battle ship anytime soon.
Either way it's not that hard to get to 5 but does it belong in a standard cert or an elite one or the one in between those (I'm not to clear on how they level)? |
Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:56:00 -
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I just had to get the Core Competency Elite certificate (and Hull Tanking!), but other than that I've managed to stay clear of a 'certificates-addiction'. |
Janjan Jansen
Amarr
Gene Works
Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:58:00 -
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It's needed for the armor tanking certificates and the "hull tanking certificate", you want it at V because the more hullpoints you got the better. Especially if you got a Damage Controll. And you need if you want to go use Capital armor repairers. |
Cerui Tarshiel
Minmatar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Nib
Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Tzar'rim
everyone should want mechanics 5
Quoted for truth.
Care to elaborate? Mechanics four gives access to t2 medium armour repair moduals and I really dont plan on being in a battle ship anytime soon.
Either way it's not that hard to get to 5 but does it belong in a standard cert or an elite one or the one in between those (I'm not to clear on how they level)?
Repair systems is the skill for armour repairers and you need that only at lvl 4 for t2 large armour repairer. Mechanic 5 is just one of those core skils everyone should have, yes it increases your hull which might not seem all that awesome but it's a prereq for many things, including assault frigs and therefor hacs. |
Maria Kalista
Amarr
Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Nib
Care to elaborate? Mechanics four gives access to t2 medium armour repair moduals and I really dont plan on being in a battle ship anytime soon.
Either way it's not that hard to get to 5 but does it belong in a standard cert or an elite one or the one in between those (I'm not to clear on how they level)?
You mean access to T2 large armor reppers. 
But yeah that was *my* reasoning behind it. Unless you've got money to spare on Blood/ Sansha etc. mods and don't mind risking them in PvP/E.
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jin Nib on 05/06/2009 11:14:32
Originally by: Cerui Tarshiel
Originally by: Jin Nib
Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Tzar'rim
everyone should want mechanics 5
Quoted for truth.
Care to elaborate? Mechanics four gives access to t2 medium armour repair moduals and I really dont plan on being in a battle ship anytime soon.
Either way it's not that hard to get to 5 but does it belong in a standard cert or an elite one or the one in between those (I'm not to clear on how they level)?
Repair systems is the skill for armour repairers and you need that only at lvl 4 for t2 large armour repairer. Mechanic 5 is just one of those core skils everyone should have, yes it increases your hull which might not seem all that awesome but it's a prereq for many things, including assault frigs and therefor hacs.
Right you need that and mechanics 4 inorder to run medium t2 armour repairers.
But I am discounting how useful the increase in hull HP is. I've had enough close calls to be sure you are right and that it is worth it for that alone.
Edit - Which just ends up making certs that much more tempting...
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Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:17:00 -
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Hi, my name is Meissa Anunthiel and I nearly was certificate slave too.
I overcame that addiction by realizing that some of the prereqs do not make any sense.
Gunnery certificate requiring control bursts is one. If you're minmatar.
Shield tanking certificates requiring the skill that prevents damage from going through to armor (eve down, don't remember the skill name off-hand) is another one.
etc.
I'm curious as to what certificates have ridiculous/annoying prereqs...
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.06.05 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Another Forum''Alt on 05/06/2009 11:41:17
Certificates fail.
IIRC, one armour tanking certificate did/does include shield skills...
Edit: I also think minmatar ones included controlled bursts. |
Mashie Saldana
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:00:00 -
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Certificate slave signing in, 24 elite certs and counting.
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Nefrin Maldoes
Minmatar
Outer Rim Survey and Salvage
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Gunnery certificate requiring control bursts is one. If you're minmatar.
Shield tanking certificates requiring the skill that prevents damage from going through to armor (eve down, don't remember the skill name off-hand) is another one.
The shield skill you are thinking of is Tactical Shield Manipulation. Personally I love the skill, for armor tankers it extends the life of your armor tank, and for shield tankers, it extends the amount of time you can take punishment before you have to think about warping out to save on repair costs.
And DANG NABBIT! Does anyone remember when Projectiles and Missiles needed cap to fire? I have controlled busrts to 4 even though I can only use projectiles or missiles. Sweet Jebus, I feel old.
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SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES! |
Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Fink Angel on 05/06/2009 12:52:58
Originally by: Estel Arador
I just had to get the Core Competency Elite certificate (and Hull Tanking!), but other than that I've managed to stay clear of a 'certificates-addiction'.
I never got targetting to 5, which rules me out of Core Competency Elite, but it's next on my list of things I don't need (never had a problem with just 6 targets) but will train to claim the cert.
Plus, at nearly 70 mill skills I think my core competency should really be elite. I've got the SPs spread all over the place (236 skills).
Edit: Where's the Elite Honour Tanking certificate? |
Maxpie
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2009.06.05 13:45:00 -
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Targeting 5 is the one that sits there calling to me though my rational mind knows I have no need of it. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2009.06.05 14:03:00 -
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When they where introduced I looked at them and lolled and forgotten all about them until you just reminded me they existed. |
ARALIEUS
Amarr
Traumark Logistics
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Posted - 2009.06.05 14:15:00 -
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I to am a cert-wh***  , but its good thing, this means I dont waste sp unless I am stupid enough to train for a sheild cert when i probs never even use sheilds, i think the one cert that apllies to armor and sheild tankers alike is the Logistics Cheif, it means you can use small to large t2 sheild and armor remote reps, which comes in handy tbh. Many of the skills aquired to following the certs will help you eventually if not now really, but who would not need mech 4, its basic LVL 5 skill that is mandatory tbh. Contolled bursts, hmm well what if one day you decide to been a amarrian ship with lazahs, you will see how helpful controlled burst are then  |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.05 14:22:00 -
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I wish you the best of luck and a happy few years coming to complete all the elite certs. |
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Tag Heuer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.05 14:26:00 -
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I'm a slave to certificates, too.
The funny part is I've been playing EVE for a long time. Never new about certificates until I invited a RL friend to try Eve a couple oof months ago. After he went thru the tutorials and starting character mojo buddy commented "Cool game. I like that Certificate Planner." I'm like, "WTF...Certificate Planner???".
Now I'm hooked. Helps alot to have some focus in an otherwise vastly open sandbox really. |
Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2009.06.05 15:37:00 -
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Mechanic 5 is required to fly AF's, I believe.
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rodensteiner
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ana Vyr
Mechanic 5 is required to fly AF's, I believe.
Yup.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:44:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Jin Nib
That's the prolem with them, they are too tempting.... I mean do I really need mechanic at 5? Really? I do if I want the cert, and I want the cert .
Do you want Mechanic at 5? Do you want Electronics at 5? Do you want Engineering at 5?
The answer to all these questions is "yes". They all fall under the category of "support skills everyone should get to 5 early on". |
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Jin Nib
That's the prolem with them, they are too tempting.... I mean do I really need mechanic at 5? Really? I do if I want the cert, and I want the cert .
Do you want Mechanic at 5? Do you want Electronics at 5? Do you want Engineering at 5?
The answer to all these questions is "yes". They all fall under the category of "support skills everyone should get to 5 early on".
Yeah but I already have the others at 5, and I'd have to trian mechanics. Quite frankly from it's description it doesn't really sell its way up on the priority list. Much like Survey 5, it may be a prereq for other things but if it was a skill all on its own would I get it? Probably not. Until I realized how nice haveing 25% buffer points in an emergency really is. |
MightyRhinox
Minmatar
Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Maxpie
Targeting 5 is the one that sits there calling to me though my rational mind knows I have no need of it.
I thought so too, but then I trained it and having those extra targets up there is actually great for a lot of things...
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MightyRhinox
Minmatar
Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Nib
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Jin Nib
That's the prolem with them, they are too tempting.... I mean do I really need mechanic at 5? Really? I do if I want the cert, and I want the cert .
Do you want Mechanic at 5? Do you want Electronics at 5? Do you want Engineering at 5?
The answer to all these questions is "yes". They all fall under the category of "support skills everyone should get to 5 early on".
Yeah but I already have the others at 5, and I'd have to trian mechanics. Quite frankly from it's description it doesn't really sell its way up on the priority list. Much like Survey 5, it may be a prereq for other things but if it was a skill all on its own would I get it? Probably not. Until I realized how nice haveing 25% buffer points in an emergency really is.
Mechanic V is also a prereq for assault ships. |
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:55:00 -
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When I was putting these together I did think "and then some players will train useless skills just to get certificates, and SOME PEOPLE WILL DIE, heh heh heh".
And now I've trained Shield Emissions Systems V on my Amarr character just so I can get the Logistics Chief Elite cert...
(The Controlled Bursts thing and the armor tanking requiring shields and vice versa thing should now both be fixed.) |
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.06.05 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: lollerwaffle on 05/06/2009 20:05:11
Elite core certificates pilot reporting in o7
edit: Targeting 5 AND Multitasking 3 ftw |
Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Heavy Influence
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale
(The Controlled Bursts thing and the armor tanking requiring shields and vice versa thing should now both be fixed.)
Despite Tactical Shield Manipulation having obvious benefits for armour tanking. |
Donatien de'Sade
Ars Notoria
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Posted - 2009.06.05 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Donatien de''Sade on 05/06/2009 20:25:28
First quick look at odd cert skill requirements:
Basic Business Tycoon requires Improved Business Mogul
Improved Business Tycoon requires 2 skills (Wholesale, Margin Trading) that themselves have a requirement of L5 Retail and L4 Accounting - not really justified at such a low level of cert.
Edit: some more:
Basic Rare Ore Refiner requires 3 x L4 skills - this should be L3 skills to be in line with the other harvest skill certs.
Some of the Leadership cert requirements are just strange
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2009.06.05 21:02:00 -
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Woohoo ... today I finished training Control Bursts 3 and Heavy Assault Missiles 2.
That gives me ... wait for it ... TEN new certificates.   |
Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 21:05:00 -
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i'm a certified elite hull tanker
really, check my character in game |
Crovan
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.05 23:18:00 -
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I demand a Hero Tanking cert, tbh.
On topic, I know at least a couple people who get way too hung up on certificates. As in, they won't fly a Battleship until they have the Improved/Elite certs for everything related to them. While I can see the logic there, it's a long time to hang out in a cruiser.
For most people, though, I will agree that they are a good tool, the only problem is for crusty old vets like me with 40m skillpoints and only a handful of elite certs  .
The Drone Bay Podcast
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Tag Heuer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.06 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Crovan
I demand a Hero Tanking cert, tbh.
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I've got dibs on the Death Knight cert.
Is this a run on sentence or my signature? You decide. |
Nefrin Maldoes
Minmatar
Outer Rim Survey and Salvage
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Posted - 2009.06.06 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Crovan
I demand a Hero Tanking cert, tbh.
What about Honor Tanking? Unless that was what you were referring to?
EVE Tribune report of the Honor Tank
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2009.06.06 00:30:00 -
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What about an Honor Tanking cert? When's that coming in?
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.06.06 01:23:00 -
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I demand capital pilot certificates for time sinking. |
Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.06 01:54:00 -
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Shield Ops (shield recharge rate) at a V needed for low level ACTIVE shield tanking certs!!!
Yeah great 2-3 extra defence is going to really help me!!! :)
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.06.19 07:50:00 -
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Yep, many of the certs makes no sense whatsoever. Funniest ones are actually the basic passive tanking ones. They require a buttload of skills.
Not to mention the refining / mining certs. Those REALLY don't make sense. Who in his right mind that doesn't live in the utmost butthole of 0.0 universe EVER trains an ore processing skill to 5? I mean..really? They're only useful if you have the crappiest refining array ever...and to save like...3% waste. And that's for the standard cert??? WUT? |
Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.19 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Benco97 on 19/06/2009 09:51:35
I pay little attention to the certs myself, it's hard to use them to plan your training when you instantly earned a significant portion of them the moment they were introduced.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.06.19 09:59:00 -
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Certs are nice to have, *******s if i'm training the skills for the ******ed ones.
"Durr every drone racial skill to V" bugger off, i'll keep them at IV, thanks.
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Xthril Ranger
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.19 10:32:00 -
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Hello , my name is Xthril Ranger and I am a certificate addict.
just 14 more days until I got all the elite leadership certificates.
I am now thinking of training all the racial drone specialisation skills to lvl5 so I can get the last elite drone certificate. That is a whooping 96 days of training for 2% more damage with tech 2 drones.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.19 10:34:00 -
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I admit to training Multitasking III to get a fistful of certs |
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.19 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
i'm a certified elite hull tanker
really, check my character in game
I did that one too (and my only public one) 
at least it is useful to fit t2 shield boost amps
just finished off elite cartographer on my alt. must say I miss the exploration probes for finding ships from a while back, was rather nice, now doing the 4x probe spam on them just takes too much effort. cant stand ninja looting now. probed down a golem and he even had a domi come in and I couldn't get a fight (I was in a domi) |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.19 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
I admit to training Multitasking III to get a fistful of certs
eh I been meaning to do that just for that whole marauder thing. just did it on my alt, and being able to lock that many things is so |
Fossil Wolf
omen.
Gay4Life
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Posted - 2009.06.19 10:36:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Malcanis
I admit to training Multitasking III to get a fistful of certs
You were able to train this on a male char? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.19 10:37:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Rhinanna
Shield Ops (shield recharge rate) at a V needed for low level ACTIVE shield tanking certs!!!
Yeah great 2-3 extra defence is going to really help me!!! :)
being able to use tech 2 xl boosters is nice
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Mangala Solaris
Caldari
Ma'adim Logistics
Event Horizon.
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Posted - 2009.06.19 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
I just had to get the Core Competency Elite certificate (and Hull Tanking!), but other than that I've managed to stay clear of a 'certificates-addiction'.
I was managing to avoid getting hooked on claiming them all, but now ive fallen to the addiciton too.
Im blaming the recent update to EVEMon for making it worse though :(
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari
Iron Industries
Invictus Imperium
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Posted - 2009.06.19 11:51:00 -
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I already had multitasking 3 when the certs were added :D
I have all the elite shield tanking certs and am on my way to all the armour tanking ones too. I'm also a week away from the elite logistics cert too! I havent yet planned training around a certificate though - I plan by ship.
However despite having awesome torp/cruise skills the lack of advanced rocket skill is preventing me from claiming a whole load of missile certs and quite frankly it seems like too much effort. |
Ortos
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.06.19 12:46:00 -
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Why do ppl really care about these certs in the first place? |
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