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RAP ACTION HERO Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2012.05.15 02:17:00 - [31] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Don't fret. New games are being developed all the time. Soon enough one will come out that is easier to exploit and grief in than EVE. Then you will see a huge gap in the map literally overnight and the little bees will be nothing but a bad memory. Mr Epeen don't think the goons will like tera but maybe you do.
KoreanSnap PingTurtle Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.05.15 02:20:00 - [32] - Quote I don't want the goons gone, there so fun to laugh at. They are such space nerd role players, even the mittani himself: "the heartless fear-monger I play in-game is just that, a role in a game". They don't cause anyone tears. The only person tehy make cry are there mother's and father's for being such failures IRL
Verte Sinkon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 30	Posted - 2012.05.15 02:25:00 - [33] - Quote Torneach wrote: Verte Sinkon wrote: Torneach wrote: Who knows? There may come a time where hiseccers have been poked long and hard enough and a leader steps up and organizes the hisec base, gets them to learn a few things, and something will be made of it. But, like I said, the likelihood is low. I'm only saying there's a possibility, as remote as it may be. And the CFC's overconfidence only opens those doors wider. If someone will just walk through that door. To say the likelihood is low is being gracious. True. It would be fair to say the chance is so low it may as well be 0. You could say it's null.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 336	Posted - 2012.05.15 02:28:00 - [34] - Quote KoreanSnap PingTurtle wrote: I don't want the goons gone, there so fun to laugh at. They are such space nerd role players, even the mittani himself: "the heartless fear-monger I play in-game is just that, a role in a game". They don't cause anyone tears. The only person tehy make cry are there mother's and father's for being such failures IRL at least my upbringing taught me that grocer's apostrophes are grammatically incorrect eh
Karloth Valois 1st. Pariah Malefactor corp. 22	Posted - 2012.05.15 02:28:00 - [35] - Quote Goons are like herpes, will never really go away. Because they are joined outside of the game through SA forums. Plus i really love the idea of high-sec coming together to take out the goons. If it ever could happen would be so funny to watch a load of mission runner in min-max'd ships typing maddly in fleet chat (because they dont use voice comms) as soon as they hit a drag bubble and cant work out why they cant warp. It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube 1st. Pariah Malefactor Corp.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 732	Posted - 2012.05.15 02:35:00 - [36] - Quote Verte Sinkon wrote: Torneach wrote: Verte Sinkon wrote: Torneach wrote: Who knows? There may come a time where hiseccers have been poked long and hard enough and a leader steps up and organizes the hisec base, gets them to learn a few things, and something will be made of it. But, like I said, the likelihood is low. I'm only saying there's a possibility, as remote as it may be. And the CFC's overconfidence only opens those doors wider. If someone will just walk through that door. To say the likelihood is low is being gracious. True. It would be fair to say the chance is so low it may as well be 0. You could say it's null. 0.0 Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 732	Posted - 2012.05.15 02:51:00 - [37] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Torneach wrote: Well, the overconfidence shown in this thread means that if people tried, they could probably dethrone the goons and the rest of the CFC. yes they'd only need a few thousand pilots, a common communications infrastructure, solid timezone coverage with capable FCs across those TZs, a common fleet doctrine, hundreds of supercapitals, hundreds of billions of ISK for ship replacements, capable leadership, diplomatic skill, reliable intel, logistics (not talking about the t2 cruiser) and you know what let's just say that "trying" isn't enough THey also need isk per hour... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Zane Lowe Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 4	Posted - 2012.05.15 02:55:00 - [38] - Quote Torneach wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: What are you saying a bunch of whining, brainless nerds, who can't even tank a hulk properly, can get into cheap ships and take down the Goons. Oh....this will worth the admission. runs to get popcorn Who knows? There may come a time where hiseccers have been poked long and hard enough and a leader steps up and organizes the hisec base, gets them to learn a few things, and something will be made of it. But, like I said, the likelihood is low. I'm only saying there's a possibility, as remote as it may be. And the CFC's overconfidence only opens those doors wider. If someone will just walk through that door. Literally impossible. All of hisec couldn't muster a 20 man fleet to defend Chribba when a single CFC alliance (Test) took his station. Do you really think anyone in hisec, or null for that matter, could challenge the combined might of the CFC + PL? Assuming we don't stagnate, we will only grow stronger with time. We have effectively "won" eve.
Torneach Emrys Enterprises 105	Posted - 2012.05.15 03:01:00 - [39] - Quote Your overconfidence may be your downfall... Just sayin'.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1440	Posted - 2012.05.15 03:06:00 - [40] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: KoreanSnap PingTurtle wrote: I don't want the goons gone, there so fun to laugh at. They are such space nerd role players, even the mittani himself: "the heartless fear-monger I play in-game is just that, a role in a game". They don't cause anyone tears. The only person tehy make cry are there mother's and father's for being such failures IRL at least my upbringing taught me that grocer's apostrophes are grammatically incorrect It seems that your upbringing was a little light on other forms of punctuation though. That and the proper use of capitalization. I can recommend some decent internet courses that even a little bee could follow, if you like. Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
Zane Lowe Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 4	Posted - 2012.05.15 03:16:00 - [41] - Quote Torneach wrote: Your overconfidence may be your downfall... Just sayin'. facts =/= overconfidence We won, it's just a matter of staying together
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 339	Posted - 2012.05.15 03:16:00 - [42] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: KoreanSnap PingTurtle wrote: I don't want the goons gone, there so fun to laugh at. They are such space nerd role players, even the mittani himself: "the heartless fear-monger I play in-game is just that, a role in a game". They don't cause anyone tears. The only person tehy make cry are there mother's and father's for being such failures IRL at least my upbringing taught me that grocer's apostrophes are grammatically incorrect It seems that your upbringing was a little light on other forms of punctuation though. That and the proper use of capitalization. I can recommend some decent internet courses that even a little bee could follow, if you like. Mr Epeen my upbringing also taught me that signing posts over a medium where your name/alias is already displayed is redundant richard desturned eh
Simetraz State War Academy Caldari State 251	Posted - 2012.05.15 03:25:00 - [43] - Quote WHY ? High-sec doesn't really notice them. Jita was nothing more then a weekend of well fun for those that showed up. Hulkegeddon's ? well the last I checked the Goon's where not the only ones involved, I don't even think they have made a majority of the kills. Low-sec - not sure they have done anything to low-sec, nothing more then any other alliance. H-Space - same. 0.0 - Well about a year ago or is it 2 now, Goon's were sweating when the north collapsed. I remember a lot of screaming about super capitals being out of balance back then when Goon's did not hold the majority and could have been run over. Some politics later and a crying campaign and the crisis was over for them. They are not really a threat there either, I don't think any alliance is foolish enough to try and take and hold 0.0. 0.0 is pretty much in a stalemate right now, expect that to change come fall, everyone builds during the summer months as people go out and enjoy the sun. So in short nobody cares enough about Goon's to get rid of them.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 339	Posted - 2012.05.15 03:29:00 - [44] - Quote ah yes the "goons are irrelevant" line eh
Kietay Ayari Caldari State 446	Posted - 2012.05.15 03:35:00 - [45] - Quote Anyone who is against anyone else who plays the game to the best of their ability and to the means they desire, -without complaining-, is an enemy of mine and will be descended upon by my poorly fit Tengus, Ferox #1
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1440	Posted - 2012.05.15 03:42:00 - [46] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: KoreanSnap PingTurtle wrote: I don't want the goons gone, there so fun to laugh at. They are such space nerd role players, even the mittani himself: "the heartless fear-monger I play in-game is just that, a role in a game". They don't cause anyone tears. The only person tehy make cry are there mother's and father's for being such failures IRL at least my upbringing taught me that grocer's apostrophes are grammatically incorrect It seems that your upbringing was a little light on other forms of punctuation though. That and the proper use of capitalization. I can recommend some decent internet courses that even a little bee could follow, if you like. Mr Epeen my upbringing also taught me that signing posts over a medium where your name/alias is already displayed is redundant richard desturned Yes, it is redundant, but that's not why I do it, of course. I do it because I enjoy the obsessive pointing it out by the likes of harlot, andski, mittani and his alts and now you, who I expect will take up the banner from harlot. If there is one thing little bees are completely anal about, it's stating the obvious. As long as the bee OCD continues, so will I continue to encourage it. Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1496	Posted - 2012.05.15 03:44:00 - [47] - Quote Torneach wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: Torneach wrote: Well, the overconfidence shown in this thread means that if people tried, they could probably dethrone the goons and the rest of the CFC. yes they'd only need a few thousand pilots, a common communications infrastructure, solid timezone coverage with capable FCs across those TZs, a common fleet doctrine, hundreds of supercapitals, hundreds of billions of ISK for ship replacements, capable leadership, diplomatic skill, reliable intel, logistics (not talking about the t2 cruiser) and you know what let's just say that "trying" isn't enough How did Goons get their start in nullsec? Yeah, they just swarmed their enemies with a huge supply of cheap ships. Attrition can win wars too. A big issue is the way alliance level income and other Sov mechanics have changed since GSF and the current major powers rose to prominence. When GSF got its start, alliances generally started in lowsec taking R64s which were geographically spread out and difficult to defend (due to the lack of power projection [carriers were rare at this time]). After taking some R64s in Lowsec or NPC null, Alliances could begin to fund an attack on a smaller alliance, taking more R64s and so on and so forth. Eventually an alliance could work its way up into a major power. In addition, the smaller sizes of alliances meant that timezone coverage was harder and it was harder to keep important fights in your primetime (POSes could be kited or mis-stronted). In addition, R64s provided a less concentrated and less valuable income source (each moon was less valuable, but there are more of them). Currently there is a sharp divide between the 3 kinds of Sov Holding Nullsec alliances. Tech holding alliances (GSF, PL, etc) have a spectacular income to the point where they can easily replace almost any fleet combat losses, preventing attrition from having meaningful effect on the wallet balance (Tech income is much larger than R64 income ever was). They have also been in place long enough to have enormous capital and supercapital resources. Renting alliances (SOLAR, old RA, etc) have a similarly spectacular income, but depend on having large tracts of defensible space to rent out, along with continued good PR to keep renters happy. Attrition isn't a problem to these alliances so long as they don't lose too many important, visible battles. These alliances also have enormous capital and supercapital resources, but as their income is more easily disrupted, they will be fielded less often if they start losing battles. Finally there are Renter alliances. They don't fight. They're not the way to become powerful, but they can cause trouble if they get big enough that they would be difficult to evict (see IRC). So they can disrupt Renting alliances. Small, upstart alliances can't begin by taking Tech, because each and every moon is valuable enough to launch a stiff defense for it. They can't begin by renting, because they don't have any significant amount of space. Finally, they can't really begin by renting, because people who join renter alliances aren't looking to become spacelords, they just want to rat/mine in peace. Both Tech and Renter alliances can be disrupted and collapse (NC and RA), but the void will be filled by existing powers rather than small, new ones. So, without a way to slowly grow and without income sources that are not individually worth defending mightily, new alliances don't really have a way to grow and take space, and while the only way to hurt existing space holders is to win fights (holding the field matters, not the ISK war), the patented Goonswarm Rifters-to-Sovereignty plan no longer works. In addition, while forming an alliance where individuals pay for their combat losses themselves is possible, it's not realistic, even if your morale can handle it, players need time to make money and that takes time away from an offensive campaign. Mind you, this isn't Goonswarm's fault. It's CCP's fault for ravaging the pooch on the R64 nerf, and CCP's fault for introducing Supercarriers and Titans, assuming that cost can be a balancing factor in a game where Pilots, not materials, are the limiting factor in fleet composition. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Simetraz State War Academy Caldari State 251	Posted - 2012.05.15 03:50:00 - [48] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: ah yes the "goons are irrelevant" line Look you all can goad all you want to try and get people to fight. It is the wrong time of year, and people are obviously are just not interested. Maybe come fall the player base will be ready to rattle sabers on a massive scale. But right now most people are more interested in small scale warfare. You have gotten too big for people to bother with, so they will ignore you and find someone they can actually have fun battling. That is the sandbox of EVE people do what they want.
Ludi Burek The Player Haters Corp 77	Posted - 2012.05.15 04:00:00 - [49] - Quote Remove Sanshas from incursions and insert Goons
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 733	Posted - 2012.05.15 04:05:00 - [50] - Quote Simetraz wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: ah yes the "goons are irrelevant" line Look you all can goad all you want to try and get people to fight. It is the wrong time of year, and people are obviously, just not interested. Maybe come fall the player base will be ready to rattle sabers on a massive scale. But right now most people are more interested in small scale warfare. You have gotten too big for people to bother with, so they will ignore you and find someone they can actually have fun battling. That is the sandbox of EVE people do what they want. ie: goons are irrelevant people because people can ignore them Well that's fine I guess. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 340	Posted - 2012.05.15 04:05:00 - [51] - Quote Simetraz wrote: But right now most people are more interested in small scale warfare. yeah because thousands of people hold their breath for the outcome of a small gang fight that takes place outside of jove space eh
Pres Crendraven 23	Posted - 2012.05.15 04:06:00 - [52] - Quote Perhaps the Goons can help us attack them. THey are so omnipotent, what could it hurt? Maybe they could supply us with hulks??? Meta34me Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent.
Ten Bulls Sons of Olsagard 129	Posted - 2012.05.15 04:20:00 - [53] - Quote Squashing goons is like squashing a turd, it doesnt go away, it sticks to everything and smears around. Best to keep it all in one place.
Verte Sinkon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 30	Posted - 2012.05.15 04:27:00 - [54] - Quote Ahahahaha wow. The rationalizing just never stops.
Tarn Kugisa Magnetic Testing Group - Please Ignore Negative Zone 79	Posted - 2012.05.15 04:42:00 - [55] - Quote I try not to antagonize the Goons. Maybe because, well they are the largest single united group of players in the game. Not a good idea to be bad enemies with 8K plus players, plus whatever allies they have. I support all your highsec ganking I Endorse this Product and/or Service [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16580[/url]
Shian Yang 122	Posted - 2012.05.15 05:11:00 - [56] - Quote Selinate wrote: We need to do something about the goons. They've plagued Eve for too long now. My proposal: All english speaking players must team up with the Russians to take them down. Greetings capsuleer, I can see you know how to write grand sounding words. What is your next step? The one that will turn your words into deeds... Regards, Shian Yang
Pres Crendraven 23	Posted - 2012.05.15 05:14:00 - [57] - Quote Designing the hexagramanon of doom. Meta34me Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent.
Marcus Harikari Guitar Players of EVE 43	Posted - 2012.05.15 05:28:00 - [58] - Quote Offering my services as translator. I can read russian, but can only type in english letters, lol. Ya mogu chitatz russki, no ne umeyu pechatatz russkimi bukvami =( o/ price is 500 billion isk/hour naw i'm kidding i'll do it for 25-100mil/hr depending on how intensive the convo is
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 733	Posted - 2012.05.15 05:37:00 - [59] - Quote Shian Yang wrote: Selinate wrote: We need to do something about the goons. They've plagued Eve for too long now. My proposal: All english speaking players must team up with the Russians to take them down. Greetings capsuleer, I can see you know how to write grand sounding words. What is your next step? The one that will turn your words into deeds... Regards, Shian Yang Forming a fleet? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Shian Yang 123	Posted - 2012.05.15 05:42:00 - [60] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Forming a fleet? Greetings capsuleer Fera, This may be part of it, yes. But I've heard rumours there are non-capsuleer pilots and planet dwellers that keep a recalcitrant, imperious animal known as a "cat". From what I understand, forming a cohesive group is much akin to herding these beasts. Then there are the logistics, the strategic planning and the work involved in bringing about the downfall of the largest Empire in New Eden ... It is not as simple as "Ask the Cosmonauts to do it for me". Regards, Shian Yang

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